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Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by gips » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:22 pm

We recently purchased a condo, the terms of the sale were it included all contents. My wife was was poking around the guest bedroom and discovered a fairly large, hidden floor safe, set in concrete.

The previous owner had no idea there was a safe and doesn’t have the combination. Called the safe company and they work with two locksmiths in our area. Called the locksmiths, they have a robotic appliance that will try every combination, cost is $300, 70 per cent success rate, takes up to 3 days. If it doesn’t work, they can drill the safe for $600 and they’ll credit us $300 for the robotic attempt. They’ll also plug the safe so it’s usable.

But then I learned they are an hour away and want $150 for rt travel. So that’s a min $600, max $1050.

I’m tempted to just leave it there...

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Post by mhalley » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:28 pm

This is a pure gamble, but it would probably drive me crazy wondering if there could be valuables in it. Most likely it’s Al Capones vault, and you are throwing away up to a thousand bucks. After it is done would the safe be useable by you? If so, you could look at is the installation cost of a nice safe.
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The Mystery of Al Capone's Vaults is a two-hour live American television special that was broadcast in syndication on April 21, 1986, and hosted by Geraldo Rivera. It centered on the live opening of a secret vault in the Lexington Hotel once owned by noted crime lord Al Capone, which turned out to be empty except for debris. Thirty million viewers watched, making it the “highest rated syndicated special” in history.[1][a] Rivera had inadvertently launched a “no-news” form of news, where instead of reporting on news, entire programs were about possible and hypothetical news.[1] Included in this was news channels counting down and hyping an upcoming news event, like a presidential briefing.[1]

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Post by HomeStretch » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:29 pm

Don’t spend a lot trying to open it unless you plan to use it.

When we bought our house, there was a small safe in a closet that the prior owners (who owned the house for 25 years) claimed not to have the combination for. I called a locksmith who would open it for $250 but he kept cancelling (don’t think he wanted the job). We removed it during a remodel 10 years ago, sledgehammered it open to find it was empty.

I will admit that having a safe that couldn’t be opened bothered me a bit. In the (unlikely) event of a burglary while I was home, I didn’t relish the idea of trying to persuade the burglar I really didn’t have the combination...

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Post by Buckeye Chuck » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:30 pm

What about tracking down the owners prior to the one you bought from? Ask them about it. Should be easy.

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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by ram » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:31 pm

To me it looks like it is a maximum $750.
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Post by 9-5 Suited » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:31 pm

Potential for an epic, legendary Bogleheads thread here. It would drive me bananas if I never found out what was inside, but definitely would consider the money paid largely lost with an expectation of no return aside from getting a nice usable safe in the end (if that’s how it works).

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Post by Cheez-It Guy » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:34 pm

If it's $150 round trip travel, isn't that a $450 minimum if the robotic attempt works, not $600? Or are you counting that they have to come back later to pick up the device? Maybe you could arrange to drop it off afterward? I'd want to know what's in there, and consider that even if empty, the safe itself has value. However, the value is masked if you can't open it. You would at least get partial recovery on your investment in the way of a working safe with known combination, and you wouldn't be bothered anymore by not knowing. Plus, I also want to know.

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Post by livesoft » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:38 pm

Tell your friends and take up a collection to pay the locksmith. Everybody gets a corresponding share of the booty.

Get the local high school robotics team to create the robot or do it yourself. It should not be too hard of a project.
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Post by Kenkat » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:41 pm

Can you get some idea of what type of safe it is and what it’s burglary rating is? Unless it has a TL rating, many common safes are surprisingly susceptible to brute force attacks (for example, crow bar) and the safe is more of a speed bump than a theft resistant safe. Could be a possible DIY.

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Post by Mr.BB » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:44 pm

I would keep looking for any locksmith that was closer. Some things are simply going to cost you money risk/reward. The odds are there is probably nothing in there, of course it could be filled with (fill in the blank).

It's like Tom Hanks in Cast Away, he left the final box unopened. What if there had been a short way radio with GPS finder transmitter...LOL
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by gips » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:44 pm

Here’s the min cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to pick up robot
Total: $600

Max cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to Pick up robot
$300 to crack safe
Total: $900
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Post by sergeant » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:45 pm

I recently watched an HGTV show where a couple bought a bank and converted it to their home. They left the safety deposit boxes which were locked when they bought the bank. They open a dozen every year and have discovered all kinds of treasures.

I vote on having it opened.

I remember wasting several hours watching Geraldo open "Al Capone's" safe.
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Post by mhalley » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:46 pm

The disadvantage of contacting the original owners of the safe is that they might have a claim to the contents. Don’t know how valid as IANAL, but could wind up with a lawsuit if there are valuable contents. The first rule of Safe Club is you do not talk about Safe Club!
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by MrBobcat » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:46 pm

gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:22 pm
We recently purchased a condo, the terms of the sale were it included all contents. My wife was was poking around the guest bedroom and discovered a fairly large, hidden floor safe, set in concrete.

The previous owner had no idea there was a safe and doesn’t have the combination. Called the safe company and they work with two locksmiths in our area. Called the locksmiths, they have a robotic appliance that will try every combination, cost is $300, 70 per cent success rate, takes up to 3 days. If it doesn’t work, they can drill the safe for $600 and they’ll credit us $300 for the robotic attempt. They’ll also plug the safe so it’s usable.

But then I learned they are an hour away and want $150 for rt travel. So that’s a min $600, max $1050.

I’m tempted to just leave it there...
I'd want to find out what's in it, but I give it 90% chance it's empty as why wouldn't the original people have emptied it upon leaving, unless it was some kind of estate sale and the kids didn't know mom and dad stashed stuff.

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Post by tibbitts » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:47 pm

ram wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:31 pm
To me it looks like it is a maximum $750.
Probably worth that for a working safe - depending on the safe model, maybe not a bad investment.

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Post by Mr.BB » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:48 pm

sergeant wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:45 pm
I recently watched an HGTV show where a couple bought a bank and converted it to their home. They left the safety deposit boxes which were locked when they bought the bank. They open a dozen every year and have discovered all kinds of treasures.

I vote on having it opened.

I remember wasting several hours watching Geraldo open "Al Capone's" safe.
LOL I remember watching that too. I forgot what he said he would do if they found nothing.
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Post by whodidntante » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:49 pm

I would open it myself. It is not difficult without a time constraint.

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Post by Mr.BB » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:49 pm

Please let us know what happens if you choose to open the safe.
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by ram » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:50 pm

gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:44 pm
Here’s the min cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to pick up robot
Total: $600

Max cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to Pick up robot
$300 to crack safe
$150 travel
Total: $1050
Thanks. My misunderstanding.
Added: How about you ask every curious person on this board to contribute $10. :happy
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by MrBobcat » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:51 pm

9-5 Suited wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:31 pm
Potential for an epic, legendary Bogleheads thread here. It would drive me bananas if I never found out what was inside, but definitely would consider the money paid largely lost with an expectation of no return aside from getting a nice usable safe in the end (if that’s how it works).
Maybe a bunch of bogleheads will kick in just to find out what's in the safe. I know I'd send $5 :P

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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by gips » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:53 pm

ram wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:50 pm
gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:44 pm
Here’s the min cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to pick up robot
Total: $600

Max cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to Pick up robot
$300 to crack safe
$150 travel
Total: $1050
Actually, I was wrong, $900 max, edited.
Thanks!
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by Cheez-It Guy » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:54 pm

gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:44 pm
Here’s the min cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to pick up robot
Total: $600

Max cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to Pick up robot
$300 to crack safe
$150 travel
Total: $1050
Still seems like an extra $150 in the max cost breakdown. Why wouldn't they crack it the same trip to pick up the robot after it failed? And hey, maybe you'd get lucky and the robot would crack it within 20 minutes or so while they're still there on the first visit.

EDIT: I see you've amended to $900 max. Robot might still come through!
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by stlutz » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:55 pm

9-5 Suited wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:31 pm
Potential for an epic, legendary Bogleheads thread here. It would drive me bananas if I never found out what was inside, but definitely would consider the money paid largely lost with an expectation of no return aside from getting a nice usable safe in the end (if that’s how it works).
I wonder if there is a $5000 watch inside? :wink:

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Post by Stinky » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:55 pm

mhalley wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:46 pm
The disadvantage of contacting the original owners of the safe is that they might have a claim to the contents. Don’t know how valid as IANAL, but could wind up with a lawsuit if there are valuable contents. The first rule of Safe Club is you do not talk about Safe Club!
I like this answer.

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Post by nvambith » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:56 pm

whodidntante wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:49 pm
I would open it myself. It is not difficult without a time constraint.
+1

How many digits is the safe combination ? If it is 4 or 5 digits, I would tackle it 100 combinations at a time, and go through all of them myself over a couple of weeks / months. Seems comparable to the effort + cost of the locksmiths in this case.

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Post by ram » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:58 pm

gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:53 pm
ram wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:50 pm
gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:44 pm
Here’s the min cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to pick up robot
Total: $600

Max cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to Pick up robot
$300 to crack safe
$150 travel
Total: $1050
Actually, I was wrong, $900 max, edited.
Thanks!
Can you ask them to skip the robotic attempt.
Just crack it.
Now you have a open safe for $750.
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Post by JoMoney » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:05 pm

My guess is the safe is empty or just worthless documents. People tend not to forget about things of value.
How many digits on the dial 0-99 / 100 ? So a million possible combinations (100 * 100 * 100)...
You got all the time in the world. Print out some lists of all the possible combinations and start crossing them off. Someday you'll eventually hit it.
Any bored kids around? Certain personality types will get a kick out of trying to solve it.
If you play with it enough, you (or someone) might actually pickup some flaws in the mechanism giving a sound or feel that helps narrow it down. These things sometimes become more apparent after spending more time and focus on it. Even if it's empty, the dopamine reward from solving it might be something...
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by gips » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:05 pm

nvambith wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:56 pm
whodidntante wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:49 pm
I would open it myself. It is not difficult without a time constraint.
+1

How many digits is the safe combination ? If it is 4 or 5 digits, I would tackle it 100 combinations at a time, and go through all of them myself over a couple of weeks / months. Seems comparable to the effort + cost of the locksmiths in this case.
5 digit combination, dial has 90 numbers. Don’t think you’d get through it in a couple of weeks 😊

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Post by Mr. Rumples » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:08 pm

Do it. When we bought our first condo, we were really ignorant. Our storage area had a lock on it. We waited, wondered what to do. Finally, we broke the lock. The entire thing was full of stuff, really junk. I got a few coins from the reign of Kaiser Franz Jospeh - an odd thing to have, and a small bag of "company store" tokens. One day, I went down there and there was an old man furiously going through it. He said he had rented the area and wasn't told of the sale and was looking for bonds. I should have called the police but was so stunned I let myself be cowed.

It might just be insurance polices, it might be useless Confederate bonds, (I collect Confederate bonds and Confederate $2's with Judah Benjamin's picture on them if you find any!) but who knows. Offer the safe crackers a deal, they get half of what's in there.
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by Stinky » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:10 pm

gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:05 pm
5 digit combination, dial has 90 numbers. Don’t think you’d get through it in a couple of weeks 😊
90 ^ 5 = 5,904,900,000 possible combinations (give or take).

If you had the patience to do 1,000 combinations per day, it would take you only 5,904,900 days. That's 16,178 years.

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Post by Watty » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:21 pm

One other consideration to consider would be that if you do nothing then the safe could be an issue when you eventually sell the sell the condo.

There is lots of information on the web on how to build or buy your own robot to try all the combinations. I would look into doing that myself but I am a bit handy and would be comfortable with that sort of project.

I would also get a quote for someone to come in with a jackhammer to remove it and then fix the floor. That might be less expensive.

Once the safe is removed then breaking it open is not all that hard. There are lots of Youtube videos on how to break open a save with a sledgehammer. Some safes can also be opened surprisingly easy with a large magnet, also see Youtube for how to do that.

The legal issues may also not be as cut and dried as it might sound. For example if the safe has gold in it and paperwork that identifies some previous owner as the owner then their might be an issue if the owner died or had alzheimer's and on one knew about the safe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding

If there was a real estate lawyer that handled the condo purchase you might call them up and ask about how your state laws treat this.

Even if the contents are legally yours I could see ethical issues with keeping the contents if the owner can be identified.

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Post by Broken Man 1999 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:25 pm

mhalley wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:28 pm
This is a pure gamble, but it would probably drive me crazy wondering if there could be valuables in it. Most likely it’s Al Capones vault, and you are throwing away up to a thousand bucks. After it is done would the safe be useable by you? If so, you could look at is the installation cost of a nice safe.
From Wikipedia:

The Mystery of Al Capone's Vaults is a two-hour live American television special that was broadcast in syndication on April 21, 1986, and hosted by Geraldo Rivera. It centered on the live opening of a secret vault in the Lexington Hotel once owned by noted crime lord Al Capone, which turned out to be empty except for debris. Thirty million viewers watched, making it the “highest rated syndicated special” in history.[1][a] Rivera had inadvertently launched a “no-news” form of news, where instead of reporting on news, entire programs were about possible and hypothetical news.[1] Included in this was news channels counting down and hyping an upcoming news event, like a presidential briefing.[1]
I am ashamed to admit I watched that program. What an idiot I was!

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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by Mr. Rumples » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:31 pm

The real estate agent hopefully is aware of abandoned property laws in that state. In Va. if its unclaimed for five years, it is presumed abandoned (Va. Code § 55.1-2501 et. seq.) Google abandoned property laws for your state and see what the Code says.

(In Virginia, its not unusual to find abandoned property buried by time. I keep hoping to find something other than old bricks, but unless its human bones, I'm keeping it.)

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Post by BionicBillWalsh » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:37 pm

If there is a manufacturer name...and they are still in business, they may have a default code you can use.
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Post by TXGator » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:39 pm

Not any worse than investing in international!
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Post by IMO » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:56 pm

Surely you can get get a powered metal saw and cut through the thing yourself?

Here's a video a a guy breaking into a safe in 2 minutes with just a crowbar and couple other hand tools:
https://youtu.be/BjHnklj6PAs

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Post by fru-gal » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:02 pm

sergeant wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:45 pm
I recently watched an HGTV show where a couple bought a bank and converted it to their home. They left the safety deposit boxes which were locked when they bought the bank. They open a dozen every year and have discovered all kinds of treasures.
This seems to me to be vaguely sleazy, vs. having whoever is handling the affairs of the bank find the owners.

I read an article some time in the past months about people losing the contents of their safe deposit boxes because banks go under and don't do the right thing about notifying the owners of the boxes.

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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by bhsince87 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:17 pm

ram wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:58 pm
gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:53 pm
ram wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:50 pm
gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:44 pm
Here’s the min cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to pick up robot
Total: $600

Max cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to Pick up robot
$300 to crack safe
$150 travel
Total: $1050
Actually, I was wrong, $900 max, edited.
Thanks!
Can you ask them to skip the robotic attempt.
Just crack it.
Now you have a open safe for $750.
I agree with this too. Skip the robot. But then wouldn't it be just $450? $150 for travel, $300 to crack and fix.

Even if it's empty, that's not a bad price for a buried, hidden safe.
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Post by Cycle » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:20 pm

There is nothing inside the safe.
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by Cheez-It Guy » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:30 pm

bhsince87 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:17 pm
ram wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:58 pm
gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:53 pm
ram wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:50 pm
gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:44 pm
Here’s the min cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to pick up robot
Total: $600

Max cost:
$150 travel to install the robot
$300 to use the robot
$150 to Pick up robot
$300 to crack safe
$150 travel
Total: $1050
Actually, I was wrong, $900 max, edited.
Thanks!
Can you ask them to skip the robotic attempt.
Just crack it.
Now you have a open safe for $750.
I agree with this too. Skip the robot. But then wouldn't it be just $450? $150 for travel, $300 to crack and fix.

Even if it's empty, that's not a bad price for a buried, hidden safe.
No, the OP said cracking or drilling and plugging the safe was $600, but if they tried the robot and it failed, they would treat it as a $300 credit toward cracking.

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Post by 123 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:35 pm

I'd vote on the DIY approach on running through all the combinations. If the safe is full of really, really, good stuff (real diamonds?) you might not want anyone else to know about your find. If it's empty no one will think you a fool for paying a locksmith fee of some kind or other to get it open.

Just like there are lists of easy to guess passwords (password, 123, monkey, etc) maybe there are lists of easy to remember combinations (1-2-3, etc).
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Post by JoMoney » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:37 pm

Post a picture of the lock/dial... maybe the Internet can help find the make/model of the lock. Sometimes there are known vulnerabilities, or at least make sure you have the right instructions for trying to enter combo and unlock... maybe it's set to a factory default combo...
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Post by LadyGeek » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:39 pm

This thread is now in the Personal Consumer Issues forum (safe).
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by gwe67 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:41 pm

Can you drill in and insert a camera?
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by JBEB » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:41 pm

What about if there is a safe inside the safe?

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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by bhsince87 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:42 pm

Cheez-It Guy wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:30 pm

I agree with this too. Skip the robot. But then wouldn't it be just $450? $150 for travel, $300 to crack and fix.

Even if it's empty, that's not a bad price for a buried, hidden safe.
No, the OP said cracking or drilling and plugging the safe was $600, but if they tried the robot and it failed, they would treat it as a $300 credit toward cracking.
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by JoMoney » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:48 pm

JBEB wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:41 pm
What about if there is a safe inside the safe?
There could be anything in it until it's opened. Maybe it's more valuable left closed. Maybe the mystery contents could be auctioned off like those storage locker TV shows, and the purchaser has to agree to pay to have it cracked.
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by One Ping » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:51 pm

Things that make you go hmmmm ....
gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:22 pm
Called the locksmiths, they have a robotic appliance that will try every combination, cost is $300, 70 per cent success rate, takes up to 3 days.
Stinky wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:10 pm
gips wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:05 pm
5 digit combination, dial has 90 numbers. Don’t think you’d get through it in a couple of weeks 😊
90 ^ 5 = 5,904,900,000 possible combinations (give or take).

If you had the patience to do 1,000 combinations per day, it would take you only 5,904,900 days. That's 16,178 years.

Pay the locksmith!
To go through every combination (5,904,900,000 combinations) in 3 days (3 days *86400 sec/day = 259,200 sec) would mean checking 22,781 combinations per second. I don't believe it. :oops:

Pay the locksmith, but skip the robot.
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by whomever » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:53 pm

It sounds like after it's open, you'll have a decent floor safe for a few hundred dollars, which is a reasonably good deal :-)

(just FWIW, have you asked any closer locksmiths? Maybe you can find one closer/hungrier than the factory recommended one)


ETA: also FWIW, five number safe combinations are unusual. Three is the most common, and occasionally four. For a mechanical safe, the possible space to search is smaller than just figuring the number of number combinations would suggest, for reasons discussed on page 5 (section '1.3.1 The combination keyspace') in this PDF:

https://www.mattblaze.org/papers/safelocks.pdf
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Re: Found hidden safe, should we crack?

Post by JoMoney » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:58 pm

I'm skeptical of a lock that is 5 x 90 ... having a hard time imagining it.
I can imagine a standard safe style, that has a single 0-99 wheel and typically 3 numbers... ( 1 million possible, 100^3)
And I can imagine a 5 digit lock that's just 5 wheels 0-9.... ( 100,000 possible 10^5)
But the 5 x 90 just sounds odd...
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