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Post by fru-gal » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:55 pm

So I took a look at what google is saving from my searches, and my hair stood on end. The mapping info is particularly unsettling. I might as well be wearing a tracking device.

So I installed duckduckgo, but soon noticed that some things make it hang. It looks like a search instead of a url completion always hangs.

For example, type
contact duckduckgo
and you get a white screen to stare at ad infinitum.

Is it just me :-) Is there a way around this? Thanks.

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by Helo80 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:01 pm

What is there to install for DuckDuckgo? I use it through my browser and have not had the issues you describe.

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Post by rj342 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:02 pm

I've been using duckduckgo in the Brave browser (a non-google privacy oriented fork of Chromium, the open source base of Chrome) abotu a year now with no problems. Both on PC and android phone.

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by Conch55 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:04 pm

Is this some sort of app you are describing? duckduckgo is a search website offered as an alternative to Google.

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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:05 pm

When I type "contact duckduckgo", I get a listing of a bunch of listings: Contact duckduckgo help pages, duckduckgo feedback, duckduckgo faq pages
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Re: duckduckgo

Post by fru-gal » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:18 pm

Helo80 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:01 pm
What is there to install for DuckDuckgo? I use it through my browser and have not had the issues you describe.
I went looking for duckduckgo, found www.duckduckgo.com, clicked on add duckduckgo to chrome.

I've given up and changed the default search engine back to google.

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Post by GmanJeff » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:25 pm

Consider using a VPN, which obfuscates the origination point of your activity. Unless you sign in to Google, it will not know which user you are.

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Post by Atilla » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:28 pm

Duckduckgo is my primary search engine browsing with Firefox. Never a problem ever.

Since Chrome is Google, perhaps it's no surprise they dragged you back in after having "problems" with Duckduckgo.

Nope, no surprise at all...
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Post by rj342 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:45 pm

GmanJeff wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:25 pm
Consider using a VPN, which obfuscates the origination point of your activity. Unless you sign in to Google, it will not know which user you are.
Just make sure you can trust your VPN provider themselves. I think it was WSJ recently had a story on a whole bunch of the smaller/cheaper VPN companies actually being Chinese behind the scenes.

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Post by JoMoney » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:03 pm

OP, I don't understand the problem you're explaining.
I use DuckDuckGo.com / ddg.gg for all my searches. I have duckduckgo.com/lite set as the home-page on my phone, and the default search for my browsers address bar.
I use DDG's " !bangs " extensively... when you get the hang of it, it makes search so much easier... If I want to search google I just type
!g (and then my keywords, to get google results without the tracking)
or !img (+keywords to get image results), or !gimg (for google image results), or !yt (for youtube) , or !maps (for maps), !dic (Merriam-Webster dictionary) ...and more
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Re: duckduckgo

Post by friar1610 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:28 pm

fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:55 pm
So I took a look at what google is saving from my searches, and my hair stood on end. The mapping info is particularly unsettling. I might as well be wearing a tracking device.
Could you either share how you did this or point to a link that explains how? I'd be interested in doing the same.

Thank you.
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Post by inbox788 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:51 pm

fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:18 pm
I went looking for duckduckgo, found www.duckduckgo.com, clicked on add duckduckgo to chrome.

I've given up and changed the default search engine back to google.
I too use Brave browser with Duckduckgo as my default search now. It's not as good as google, but most of the time, it's good enough. And on the occasion when it's not, it's not that hard to type google.com in the box and it usually autocompletes after a letter or two, unless I recently cleared the cache/cookies/history. Privacy was a secondary concern; I mainly switched for improved performance. It's a lot faster now that all that tracking history doesn't have to be kept, sorted and transferred. I'm also clearing the buffer more frequently now, again mainly for speed, since clearing out 10k items can pause for a while.

FWIW, mapping might be a google maps account feature and you need to go to your online google account and delete activities.

https://privacycanada.net/delete-google-history/

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Post by rkhusky » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:30 pm

JoMoney wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:03 pm
!g (and then my keywords, to get google results without the tracking)
Since the search is taking place on google.com, this doesn't prevent tracking
Remember, though, because your search is actually taking place on that other site, you are subject to that site’s policies, including its data collection practices.

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by JoeRetire » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:42 pm

fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:55 pm
So I took a look at what google is saving from my searches, and my hair stood on end. The mapping info is particularly unsettling. I might as well be wearing a tracking device.
Do you carry a smartphone? If so, you are wearing a tracking device.
Don't be a lemming.

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by RunnersLunge » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:17 pm

So you added a duckduckgo extension to chrome to avoid using google ...

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Post by Elric » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:19 pm

I use DuckDuckGo as my default browser on Chrome with no problems. For those times when Google has better results, I just add !g and a space before the search terms and DuckDuckGo then searches using Google.
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Re: duckduckgo

Post by Jeff Albertson » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:43 pm

Web search is just the tip of the iceberg. Your privacy is being compromised in any number of ways.
The Washington Post's tech columnist, Geoffrey A. Fowler, has a number of articles detailing how you are exposed.
This one concerns web browser extensions:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... -its-sale/
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I’ve peeked inside corporate networks at reports on faulty rockets. If I wanted, I could’ve even opened a tax return you only shared with your accountant.

I found your data because it’s for sale online. Even more terrifying: It’s happening because of software you probably installed yourself.
...
The root of this privacy train wreck is browser extensions. Also known as add-ons and plug-ins, they’re little programs used by nearly half of all desktop Web surfers to make browsing better, such as finding coupons or remembering passwords. People install them assuming that any software offered in a store run by Chrome or Firefox has got to be legit.

Not. At. All. Some extensions have a side hustle in spying. From a privileged perch in your browser, they pass information about where you surf and what you view into a murky data economy. Think about everything you do in your browser at work and home — it’s a digital proxy for your brain. Now imagine those clicks beaming out of your computer to be harvested for marketers, data brokers or hackers.
Similarly, David Pogue recently had an article on "10 Tips to Avoid Leaving Tracks Around the Internet"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/smar ... dwise.html

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by fauxden » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:49 pm

Elric wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:19 pm
I use DuckDuckGo as my default browser on Chrome with no problems. For those times when Google has better results, I just add !g and a space before the search terms and DuckDuckGo then searches using Google.
I would advise dropping chrome if you have privacy concerns. You should look up dr. Richard Epstein and his google research. Interesting stuff

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by fru-gal » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:56 pm

friar1610 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:28 pm
fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:55 pm
So I took a look at what google is saving from my searches, and my hair stood on end. The mapping info is particularly unsettling. I might as well be wearing a tracking device.
Could you either share how you did this or point to a link that explains how? I'd be interested in doing the same.

Thank you.
I read some article on the topic and followed where it pointed. Then I got into some, my guess is deliberately, obscure mess of google stuff and managed to tell it to only keep some of my information for three months and thought at least I'd accomplished that, then stumbled across the fact that it separately kept youtube info and gave up. I don't remember how to do any of it.

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by fru-gal » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:57 pm

JoeRetire wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:42 pm
fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:55 pm
So I took a look at what google is saving from my searches, and my hair stood on end. The mapping info is particularly unsettling. I might as well be wearing a tracking device.
Do you carry a smartphone? If so, you are wearing a tracking device.
No, one of the reasons I have a flip phone.

Normally I use firefox, but some pages don't function properly in it so I use chrome occasionally.

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Post by jpsfranks » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:11 pm

You can download information associated with your Google account here: https://takeout.google.com/

I think the more invasive things have nothing to do with searches (and therefore switching to DuckDuckGo is not a remedy). For example if you have Google Maps location history enabled on your phone then they know everywhere you've been, and if you use Gmail for online shopping then they scrape the email receipts and keep track of everything that you have purchased. For those who didn't realize this, check out the following links:

https://www.google.com/maps/timeline
https://myaccount.google.com/purchases

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by sperry8 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:14 pm

rj342 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:02 pm
I've been using duckduckgo in the Brave browser (a non-google privacy oriented fork of Chromium, the open source base of Chrome) abotu a year now with no problems. Both on PC and android phone.
This mirrors my setup. Some sites require cookies/flash, etc. and won't work with this setup. I can then decide whether I want to go back to Chrome with Google - and be tracked to access that site. Oftentimes, I just move on unless its online shopping related and I need/want to buy something. But I love my newfound privacy with the Brave/Duckduckgo setup. And I highly recommend it to all who value their privacy as well.
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Post by whodidntante » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:54 pm

I use bing because they pay me. And Microsoft would probably screw up their evil ambitions and end up giving the money to a place with consumer protections like the EU.

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Post by telemark » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:43 am

A duckduckgo search should not hang. I don't know why that might happen.

One thing you might try is simply going to their search page, https://www.duckduckgo.com, and typing into the search box on that page. If that works, the problem is in Chrome, or something about the way you are using Chrome. If it fails, something in your internet connection is blocking connections to duckduckgo. None of these seem very likely, but something is wrong somewhere.

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Post by InvisibleAerobar » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:23 am

friar1610 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:28 pm
fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:55 pm
So I took a look at what google is saving from my searches, and my hair stood on end. The mapping info is particularly unsettling. I might as well be wearing a tracking device.
Could you either share how you did this or point to a link that explains how? I'd be interested in doing the same.

Thank you.
this is a nice primer article I've found. TLDR answer is to go to myactivity.google.com

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/15/tech ... v=top-news

I would presume that the OP saw his google activities using a similar method. None of it should really be that surprising. What is surprising is the duration and breadth of that data

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Post by Northern Flicker » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:22 am

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Post by Northern Flicker » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:40 am

If you don’t want google to have your search strings, you have to use a different browser than chrome.

Also, DDG may not remember your searches, but as soon as you connect to a web site in the returned list, it is highly likely that the event is sent to an ad service and google will get the info that you connected to the site.
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Re: duckduckgo

Post by JoeRetire » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:11 am

fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:57 pm
JoeRetire wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:42 pm
fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:55 pm
So I took a look at what google is saving from my searches, and my hair stood on end. The mapping info is particularly unsettling. I might as well be wearing a tracking device.
Do you carry a smartphone? If so, you are wearing a tracking device.
No, one of the reasons I have a flip phone.
I assume you never use a credit card or ATM for the same reason?
Don't be a lemming.

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Post by McDougal » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:11 am

JoeRetire wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:11 am
fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:57 pm
JoeRetire wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:42 pm
fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:55 pm
So I took a look at what google is saving from my searches, and my hair stood on end. The mapping info is particularly unsettling. I might as well be wearing a tracking device.
Do you carry a smartphone? If so, you are wearing a tracking device.
No, one of the reasons I have a flip phone.
I assume you never use a credit card or ATM for the same reason?
Or a toll transponder (E-Z Pass, etc.)

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by krafty81 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:57 am

Took me 10 seconds to set up DDG as my default search engine on my chromebook. Just right click on duckduckgo.com and follow the prompts.

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Post by JoeRetire » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:13 am

fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:57 pm
JoeRetire wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:42 pm
fru-gal wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:55 pm
So I took a look at what google is saving from my searches, and my hair stood on end. The mapping info is particularly unsettling. I might as well be wearing a tracking device.
Do you carry a smartphone? If so, you are wearing a tracking device.
No, one of the reasons I have a flip phone.

Normally I use firefox, but some pages don't function properly in it so I use chrome occasionally.
You use duckduckgo on your flip phone?
It's not clear what risk you are trying to mitigate here.
Don't be a lemming.

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Re: duckduckgo

Post by 3-20Characters » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:20 pm

krafty81 wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:57 am
Took me 10 seconds to set up DDG as my default search engine on my chromebook. Just right click on duckduckgo.com and follow the prompts.
For iOS/safari users, virtually the same. Just go to safari prefs in settings. You have options for search engine defaults: google, bing, yahoo, and duck. I’ve been using duck for years.

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