Did humanity ever make good Gas cans

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Did humanity ever make good Gas cans

Post by ctuser1 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:15 am

I buy the cheap 2 Gallon Gas Cans from Walmart!! I've also tried one from Autozone one time. It was as cheaply constructed as the Walmart ones, although with a much higher list price. I had an item return credit burning a hole in my wallet - so splurged on this overpriced crap.

All of them are cheap china-made plastic crap, hard to use, and invariably start leaking from year 2.

This seems like an item that should be easy to build to last. But all I have had so far is frustration!!

Do any of you know of a gas can (as economical as possible) that can keep filling my mower, blower etc for years?

My priorities are :
1. Value i.e. I'm fine paying $30 for something that will last 30 years over a $5 crap that breaks in year 2.
2. Ease of use. I would love to have a push button easy to use one (i.e. the "apple" of gas cans), but can compromise on this for #1, e.g. if there is a time-tested, sturdy design that is not very user friendly.
3. I hate gas leaking on my hands and shoes and everything.

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Post by livesoft » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:18 am

Mine works fine. There are even replacement parts at Home Depot. The new ones have a valve so escaping vapors are reduced. One has to learn how to use it because the actuator is on the nozzle. You may wish to watch a youtube video in order to improve your technique and make your plastic containers last your lifetime.

Hint: Don't overfill the container and don't overfill the gas tank of the engine. Then there will be no spills.
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Post by rk6 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:20 am

The "No Spill"-brand containers, with the green push button valve, have served me very well. Available at HD. Perhaps that is the one to which livesoft is referring.
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Post by TxAg » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:21 am

Eagle metal gas can on Amazon

I had the same issues and have been very pleased for a couple years now using the Eagle

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Post by fire5soon » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:33 am

I do just fine with cheap cans but the pour spouts are horrible due to law changes several years ago. I buy replacement pour spouts on Amazon pretty cheaply and have been satisfied.
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Post by livesoft » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:39 am

Also observe each time that the rubber gaskets are in the right place and not cut nor distorted. This is probably a major reason for leakage. They fit differently than a 1920's gas can gasket.
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Post by ctuser1 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:40 am

fire5soon wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:33 am
I do just fine with cheap cans but the pour spouts are horrible due to law changes several years ago. I buy replacement pour spouts on Amazon pretty cheaply and have been satisfied.
It *is* the pour sprout that always leaks for me. The plastic bottom is fine. On my third one in the last few years and same issue every time.

Any specific suggestion on which pour sprout from Amazon works good for you?

I did not know you could buy replacement pour sprouts off amazon that would fit the cheap walmart cans.

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Post by dknightd » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:06 am

Is it the spout that leaks, or the joint?

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Post by Uniballer » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:11 am

I like the No-Spill cans too for the mower, trimmers, chainsaws, tractor, etc., but how do you empty one of those cans into the car/truck/skid steer (i.e. anything with the fill cap on the side)?

Edit: No-Spill suggests an extension nozzle for those.

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Post by owenmia » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:16 am

Never fill them unless they are in contact with the ground, not the bed of a pick up or anything else.

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Post by epictetus » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:17 am

i had a metal one that i used for many years with no problem. i probably got it at lowes or home depot
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Re: Did humanity ever make good Gas cans

Post by ctuser1 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:18 am

dknightd wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:06 am
Is it the spout that leaks, or the joint?
For the current one I have - it leaks from two separate places.

There is the spout that leaks close to where there is a round thing I need to rotate in place to allow the gas to flow. The joint leaks too.

It started leaking first from the joint.

I checked the gasket and it *seems* (at least visually) intact.

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Post by JoMoney » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:30 am

Huh.. :confused I've owned a couple plastic gas cans, and don't remember having anything like the problems you're experiencing. I have no idea what if any brand they were, but they generally looked like this:
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I might just be generally less picky/sensitive to the idea a small amount leaking out when pouring.
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Post by Sconie » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:34 am

This is what you want: 20 Liter (about 5 gallons) metal NATO Jerry can:

https://deutscheoptik.com/20-Liter-Jerr ... E-CAN.html

They are also available in the 10 liter size.

Replaceable seals and spouts----will last a lifetime.
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Post by Dude2 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:35 am

I definitely noticed a change in quality when they started making the no-drip types. I got so frustrated with certain models, I just threw them away. Although years have passed, and I think they've worked the bugs out for the most part, I would offer the following product suggestion:

Eagle UI-50-FS Red Galvanized Steel Type I Gasoline Safety Can with Funnel

It uses a novel concept in which when you tip it over gas comes out, and when you tip it the other way, gas stops coming out.

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Post by user5027 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:48 am

Dude2 wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:35 am
I definitely noticed a change in quality when they started making the no-drip types. I got so frustrated with certain models, I just threw them away. Although years have passed, and I think they've worked the bugs out for the most part, I would offer the following product suggestion:

Eagle UI-50-FS Red Galvanized Steel Type I Gasoline Safety Can with Funnel
I snagged three of those for $69 with tax and shipping on a Woot deal of the day in December 2015! They are great for filling the mower and generator.

I do like the No-Spill cans for the mixed gas/oil. Easy to use with weed whacker and leaf blower.

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Post by mhalley » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:59 am

You need a good funnel to help ensure the gas goes where you want if having difficulties with the pour.

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Post by Small Savanna » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:16 am

Another good reason to go electric - we now have a battery powered mower and other lawn tools. It's nice not to have to deal with filling gas cans and keeping highly flammable liquids in an attached garage. Not to mention easier on your ears.

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Post by cashboy » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:32 am

i have 4 of these. excellent.

these links are just an example (edit: added wavian website).

https://www.jerrycan.com/shop/20-liter- ... jerry-can/

https://wavianusa.com/products/steel-fuel-jerry-can


shop around (search on: wavian gas can) and you can sometimes find them on sale. make sure it includes the spout and spout extension. also, some are sold without the 'spout holder' (the black piece by the handle in the video) , but you can get that from wavian if need be. you can also buy the cans from them.


here is a video on the can.

https://wavianusa.com/blogs/news/openin ... -fuel-cans


now, does everyone want to (or need to) spend $80 on a gas can? no. but if you want an excellent gas can, this is it. i use them to hold gas for my backup generator.


beware of non-wavian imitations.

i don't work for wavian but love the gas can. :D
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Post by DanMahowny » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:39 am

I agree completely with OP. Gas cans suck.

Perhaps I'll try out a can suggested here.

The JerryCan looks like the real deal. Thanks.
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Post by Carl53 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:13 pm

After shopping yard sales unsuccessfully for a good vintage can, I modified one of my newer cans with a replacement nozzle and a traditional vent. It still leaked a little. I also bought one of the justright type 1 cans. Now unless I'm transferring a very small amount I use a plastic siphon transfer. If transferring to a vehicle, I set it on a stool. Better than holding a five gallon can. https://www.ruralking.com/1b-siphon-pump. If the can is nearly empty, then I use a funnel to finish it.

If I was to buy a new one I might go with this one. https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... _200447900
Edit, looks like this one is a one inch nozzle that does not go all the way in on vehicles but they make one with a smaller nozzle too.
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Re: Did humanity ever make good Gas cans

Post by TxAg » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:15 pm

Glad to see some more suggestions for the metal Eagles

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Post by ctuser1 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:54 pm

The gas can I have is this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Briggs-Stratton- ... 001RUO5QW/


Based on the suggestions up-thread, I am debating between one of the two approaches:
1. Replacement spout like this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YP3YTXM, as suggested by fire5soon.
This would be a $12 investment.

2. Some more expensive gas cans recommended above (metal Eagles, Wavian etc).

Thanks a lot for detailed suggestions.

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Post by ellsbebc » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:06 pm

Never spill again if you go with Surecan.

https://www.amazon.com/SureCan-Fuel-Gas ... 5205&psc=1

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Post by zbxb006 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:42 pm

https://www.jegs.com/i/RJS-Racing-Equip ... 7/10002/-1

Racers everywhere use these type jugs. Available online at any auto or motorcycle performance place. They come in several formats, rectangular, cylindrical. Usually five gallons. Get the filler hose. They'll last forever. I use them for all my race cars and bikes.

Locally they should be sold at any motorcycle/ATV shop.

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Post by SquawkIdent » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:14 pm

rk6 wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:20 am
The "No Spill"-brand containers, with the green push button valve, have served me very well. Available at HD. Perhaps that is the one to which livesoft is referring.
+1

I've tried a bunch of them over the years and this one IMHO is the best.

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Post by rk6 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:40 pm

Uniballer wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:11 am
I like the No-Spill cans too for the mower, trimmers, chainsaws, tractor, etc., but how do you empty one of those cans into the car/truck/skid steer (i.e. anything with the fill cap on the side)?

Edit: No-Spill suggests an extension nozzle for those.
I use a flexible 16" metal funnel for anything on the side. I haven't tried the No-Spill flexible extension.

Edit: Was at HD (central NJ) today funnily enough and I noticed that the No-Spills were either gone or sold out, and they had another brand "Scepter" with a different green trigger or valve assembly - I have no experience with Scepter, only No-Spill, and my original comment above was specifically and only about the No-Spill brand.

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Post by livesoft » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:03 pm

When you buy a new gas can, I suggest you first try using it with water to see if you can do that without spilling or getting wet.
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Post by 28fe6 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:55 pm

First, I recommend going electric. When I was last a homeowner, I had battery electric push mower, trimmer, and leaf blower. No gas.

Second, if you do have small gas things, just buy the canned fuel that comes in steel cans. It's worth it. It will make your equipment last longer and run better too. No need to go to the gas station.

If you have something bigger like a lawn tractor, well then you need to get a Jerry can or steel NFPA gas can and use funnels.

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Post by Murgatroyd » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:18 pm

Have 2 of these for 7 years. Perfect and well priced

https://www.acehardware.com/departments ... ns/7309990

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Post by edge » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:34 pm

I have a metal eagle brand gas can. It wasn’t cheap for a 2 gallon can. It’s good.

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Post by motorcyclesarecool » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:46 pm

TxAg wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:21 am
Eagle metal gas can on Amazon

I had the same issues and have been very pleased for a couple years now using the Eagle
Eagle metal gas can at ACE Hardware. What my friendly local equipment rental uses.
Understand that choosing an HDHP is very much a "red pill" approach. Most would rather pay higher premiums for a $20 copay per visit. They will think you weird for choosing an HSA.

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Post by motorcyclesarecool » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:52 pm

ellsbebc wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:06 pm
Never spill again if you go with Surecan.

https://www.amazon.com/SureCan-Fuel-Gas ... 5205&psc=1
I have one & it is easy to use and child resistant; jury is out on durability.
Understand that choosing an HDHP is very much a "red pill" approach. Most would rather pay higher premiums for a $20 copay per visit. They will think you weird for choosing an HSA.

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Post by vectorizer » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:04 pm

zbxb006 wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:42 pm
https://www.jegs.com/i/RJS-Racing-Equip ... 7/10002/-1

Racers everywhere use these type jugs. Available online at any auto or motorcycle performance place. They come in several formats, rectangular, cylindrical. Usually five gallons. Get the filler hose. They'll last forever. I use them for all my race cars and bikes.

Locally they should be sold at any motorcycle/ATV shop.
Interestingly careful wording in the description of that jug on the jegs.com site. No mention of "gasoline". :-)

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Post by cheese_breath » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:16 pm

To answer your question, yes they did. I had a couple steel ones from the 1960s, and the only reason I don't still have them is because I left them behind when we moved to TX last year. Go to some estate sales of really really old people, and you might be lucky enough to find a 60-70 YO can in the garage that has more life left in it than the crap they sell today.
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Post by ElwoodBlues » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:09 pm

Another vote for the No-Spill brand. Can't say if it will last 30 years, but it definitely works better than the cheapo safety cans I had before it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W ... UTF8&psc=1

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Post by dknightd » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:21 am

ctuser1 wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:18 am

It started leaking first from the joint.

I checked the gasket and it *seems* (at least visually) intact.
Could be a sloppy molding. Could be a crummy gasket. Could be you need to tighten the cap.

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Post by NewMoneyMustBeSmart » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:52 am

ctuser1 wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:15 am
Do any of you know of a gas can (as economical as possible) that can keep filling my mower, blower etc for years?
I've been joyously happy with these:

http://www.midwestcan.com/

High quality, good price (4 for $90) and easy to use without getting hands dirty.

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Post by ddurrett896 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:32 am

VP cans work great. They say not for fuel but that’s just because it doesn’t have a spill proof approved spout.

They are like 2x thicker than standard cans. 4 pack for like $100 and you can use a coupon to get them for around $80-$85.


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Post by iamlucky13 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:42 pm

I bought plain spout and vent kits to install on my gas cans.

The terrible quality of consumer gasoline cans is an unintended consequence of regulation. The government wanted to require self-closing lids and no vent separate from the spout to reduce evaporative emissions and accidental spillage and reduce kids access. They just assumed we want to waste our money by not capping our cans. Consumers still wanted low cost gas cans.

The result is more complication without pricing that enables decent quality. I'm certain I've spilled far more fuel trying to deal with the self-closing mechanisms than I ever lost due to evaporation, and certainly more than I ever spilled before self-closing spouts existing.

I've got one of the the No Spill brand. The price is a bit high, but it seems to work ok. A moderate number of reviewers have reported leaking from those, after a while, too, although mine is intact so far (2 years or so?). One of the things that makes it better than most in addition to a much more ergonomic valve is a vent in the spout to reduce glugging. Some of the cheaper cans do also have a vent, but badly designed so it doesn't prevent the glugging.

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Post by ctuser1 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:08 pm

dknightd wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:21 am
ctuser1 wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:18 am

It started leaking first from the joint.

I checked the gasket and it *seems* (at least visually) intact.
Could be a sloppy molding. Could be a crummy gasket. Could be you need to tighten the cap.
Thanks for this suggestion. Looks like the majority of the problem was indeed the gasket that was not seating correctly.

The gasket is supposed to sit snug over a ridge inside the cap. It was not. Once I took it off and put it back properly, it fixed the leak from the joint.

It still left a couple of drops on my finger today from the round thingy I rotate to allow gas to flow. That's not an immediate deal-breaker.

I'll try next week (on my mowing day) to see if I can figure out how to take off and fix the round thingy I need to rotate to allow gas to flow. But it looks like I am able to live with this poorly constructed can for the time being as long as I keep the gasket snug.

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Post by F150HD » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:08 pm

I hate the new EPA spouts etc. I bought a 5 gallon one for lawnmower, royal PITA. I'm not so sure its saving the world as they expect.

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Post by jharkin » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:27 pm

28fe6 wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:55 pm
First, I recommend going electric. When I was last a homeowner, I had battery electric push mower, trimmer, and leaf blower. No gas.

Second, if you do have small gas things, just buy the canned fuel that comes in steel cans. It's worth it. It will make your equipment last longer and run better too. No need to go to the gas station.

If you have something bigger like a lawn tractor, well then you need to get a Jerry can or steel NFPA gas can and use funnels.
AFAIK there is no hard evidence ence that the prepacked fuel (ie TruFuel)makes anything last longer. You are just paying 10x retail for marketing hype, its just high octane ethanol free gas repackaged in a fancy can.(that goes into a landfill).

Sorry to vent, but really people buy this stuff? even if pump gas harmed your tools, the extra money spent on $25 a gallon prepackaged gas could alternatively pay for just buying a brand new mower EVERY SINGLE year...



Electric is nice for small lots, but when you have acres to mow.....
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Post by zlandar » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:51 pm

I recently bought a new 2 gallon gasoline tank and the nozzle is godawful. What genius decided the best way to depress the switch to pour gasoline was to use the palm of your hand?

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Post by Whakamole » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:24 pm

Small Savanna wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:16 am
Another good reason to go electric - we now have a battery powered mower and other lawn tools. It's nice not to have to deal with filling gas cans and keeping highly flammable liquids in an attached garage. Not to mention easier on your ears.
Even better, rent - that way you don't have to mess with a lawnmower at all.

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Post by Morgan Dollar 1921 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:30 pm

TxAg wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:21 am
Eagle metal gas can on Amazon

I had the same issues and have been very pleased for a couple years now using the Eagle
Yes, this :

5 gal. Red Galvanized Steel Type I Safety Can, For Flammables, and be safe use a funnel and do not refill when hot, our neighbor's son got some nasty burns from a combine fire in the 60's.

Take your time and avoid a disaster!

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Post by IMO » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:45 pm

Whakamole wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:24 pm
Small Savanna wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:16 am
Another good reason to go electric - we now have a battery powered mower and other lawn tools. It's nice not to have to deal with filling gas cans and keeping highly flammable liquids in an attached garage. Not to mention easier on your ears.
Even better, rent - that way you don't have to mess with a lawnmower at all.
Or you could own and just hire out a lawn service.

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Post by TierArtz » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:54 pm

Metal safety can from Amazon with a metal spout. I have a 5 gallon Eagle can that serves me well. The Justrite brand seems to have better reviews.

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Post by IMO » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:26 pm

Something worth considering is to give up on the gas cans themselves. I recently bought four of the new 5 gallon gas cans from Walmart that have a odd nozzle that doesn't work at all. Was going to take them back, but couldn't find "good" gas cans no matter where I looked.

What I opted to do is get a $9 jiggle siphon pump from harbor freight and just take off the cap from the gas can (and on the above had to pop out a plastic filter in the can). There are youtube videos on the product, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNPZLN0QC-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt-rMXl_rL8

Much better than trying to hold the can and having it always leak and spill.

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Post by CurlyDave » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:04 am

fire5soon wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:33 am
I do just fine with cheap cans but the pour spouts are horrible due to law changes several years ago. I buy replacement pour spouts on Amazon pretty cheaply and have been satisfied.
+1

Just get a new spout that is nothing more than a spout -- no valves, siphons, vapor recovery or other stuff in it. A flame arrestor is OK.

Now to really drive the safety police batty -- also take the new empty can and drill a 1/8" hole in a place that will be above the liquid level when pouring to let air in. Plug it with a golf tee when not pouring gas.

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