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Not sure this belongs here: I called my PCP office today for a prescription refill only to find out she's no longer there.
I'd like to stay with her if she's still in town, and not far away. They would not tell me where she went. I doubt she's retired, and she recently moved her parent from the coast to have her close in a facility, so chances are she's still in town.
How can I find out who she's with now?
Edited to add:
Well, I found her, she's still here and somewhat close, but not doing family practice anymore. I'll keep her number just in case, will need to find out about insurance coverage at that time...
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Google their name and look at LinkedIn.

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Thanks, I did find her. She's no longer doing family medicine. :(
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Doctors are getting treated very poorly. Many are going into non clinical work or moving on entirely.
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My GP was arrested for sexually harassing one of the nurses at his practice. :shock:

The group shuttered after that.
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The physicians at the group Igo to have retired. Only one of the original is still there. New physicians have been brought in but they don’t seem to have the same personality - they fill in the computer forms but very little talk. Not happy at all.
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Interesting. At least you found out where she went. You could probably contact her and ask for her suggestion as to a new PCP for you if you wish.

A few years ago my PCP told me she would be leaving in a couple of months. She said she hadn't even told her staff yet, but wanted me to know that she was leaving but would still be practicing in the same area. She said I would likely discover where she was going without trying, but if not she would be easy to locate on the internet if I wished to continue to see her. A month or so later I received a letter from her organization advising me that she was leaving and asking if I wished to remain with them or follow her to her new location. They included instructions how to do either. I was a little surprised about that as I got the clear impression that there were hard feelings between her and the organization.

I thought that was handled well and very professionally. She is still my PCP, but I am still seeing three specialists in her prior group that she had referred me to and that I wished to remain with.
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It seems odd to me that they wouldn’t tell you she stopped practicing. When my FP moved on, he sent letters so patients could pick up their medical records before shutting down. Sounds like the practice is still there but your doc is not? I seem to recall that it used to be a courtesy to send patients a letter stating a doc was leaving, thanking them for being their patient an telling them who in the office would be taking over their care.
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brandy wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:52 pm Thanks, I did find her. She's no longer doing family medicine. :(
What is she doing instead?
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PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:43 pm Discovered Bogleheads and retired early.

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brandy wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:43 pm Not sure this belongs here: I called my PCP office today for a prescription refill only to find out she's no longer there.
I'd like to stay with her if she's still in town, and not far away. They would not tell me where she went. I doubt she's retired, and she recently moved her parent from the coast to have her close in a facility, so chances are she's still in town.
How can I find out who she's with now?
Edited to add:
Well, I found her, she's still here and somewhat close, but not doing family practice anymore. I'll keep her number just in case, will need to find out about insurance coverage at that time...
Google is always useful.
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Sometimes physicians have non-compete clauses, too. I've seen a couple who had 6 months out of local practice before starting in a new, local practice. Perhaps your PCP will be in that group? But yes, burnout often leads MDs to alternative work - computing, quality assurance, etc.
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In my area, a number of PCP leave to start a "boutique" practice. I had a phone surgery commissioned by a former doc asking if I would follow him if he went that route. Well, $1800 annual retainer is a bit much for my 2 visits a year, and he was nothing special.
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PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:43 pm Discovered Bogleheads and retired early.

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Many practices try tthe keep it a secret when a doctor leaves. They also prohibit the doctor from opening a new practice nearby. I always thought that if you treat someone fairly they won’t leave the practice. If you work hard and are competent and provide good care - you shouldn’t be afraid if someone leaves your group. Medicine can be a tough business and most doctors are not good business people and have no training in business.
My group follows those rules - we treat you fairly so you want to stay. Everyone has input into how the group is run.
If you feel you can do better - best of luck.
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PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:43 pm Discovered Bogleheads and retired early.

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I was in a similar situation. I was able to find my doctor from the state medical board website.
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PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:43 pm Discovered Bogleheads and retired early.

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Swansea wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:44 am In my area, a number of PCP leave to start a "boutique" practice. I had a phone surgery commissioned by a former doc asking if I would follow him if he went that route. Well, $1800 annual retainer is a bit much for my 2 visits a year, and he was nothing special.
I've heard of tele-medicine, but I don't think I'd be comfortable with tele-surgery. :wink:
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In many, if not most states, there is a state office with a (variable!) name like "Arizona Medical Board" or "Maine Board of Licensure in Medicine" or "Missouri Board of Registration for the Healing Arts." (List here).

Many if not most have a feature that lets you search for doctors and find out information about them. What information is available varies a lot, but usually it includes their current address. If they have ever been licensed in the state, it may show their current address even if they have moved out of state. It may show other interesting information as well, such as whether they have ever had any disciplinary actions taken against them, specialties, etc.

I had a doctor "vanish" on me. It was kind of weird. Fortunately I had only been seeing him for a couple of months. I went in for some routine lab work he'd told me to get, "no rush, any time." So I went when it was convenient. "I'm here for the blood work Dr. X ordered for me." Pause. "Dr. X?" "Yes." "Dr. X? Uh... just a moment... what is your date of birth again... Ah, I see it. It was ordered by Dr. Y..." "Dr. Y? But I've never seen Dr. Y..." Indeed, there had been a disciplinary action against him, and his address had changed to that of a different practice thirty miles away.

Oh, also, of course, most doctors are Medicare providers and you can look them up in the Medicare provider directory, Find physicians and other clinicians. You don't have to be on Medicare to use it.
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MarkerFM wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:32 am
Swansea wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:44 am In my area, a number of PCP leave to start a "boutique" practice. I had a phone surgery commissioned by a former doc asking if I would follow him if he went that route. Well, $1800 annual retainer is a bit much for my 2 visits a year, and he was nothing special.
I've heard of tele-medicine, but I don't think I'd be comfortable with tele-surgery. :wink:
If they can do "robotic" surgery with a doctor sitting in a kind of virtual reality system, moving levers, while a computer in the same room moves tiny surgical instruments inside a patient, then why can't you put the doctor and the patient in different rooms--maybe miles apart? I wonder when speed-of-light delays start to be a problem...
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brandy wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:43 pm Not sure this belongs here: I called my PCP office today for a prescription refill only to find out she's no longer there.
I'd like to stay with her if she's still in town, and not far away. They would not tell me where she went. I doubt she's retired, and she recently moved her parent from the coast to have her close in a facility, so chances are she's still in town.
How can I find out who she's with now?
Edited to add:
Well, I found her, she's still here and somewhat close, but not doing family practice anymore. I'll keep her number just in case, will need to find out about insurance coverage at that time...
Why would you want to see her again after she left under such poor circumstances. My PCP switched to cardiology several years ago. He gave patients plenty of written notice and he had recommended doctors for me to consider as his replacement. Leaving without saying anything is pretty poor.
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nisiprius wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:58 am
MarkerFM wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:32 am
Swansea wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:44 am In my area, a number of PCP leave to start a "boutique" practice. I had a phone surgery commissioned by a former doc asking if I would follow him if he went that route. Well, $1800 annual retainer is a bit much for my 2 visits a year, and he was nothing special.
I've heard of tele-medicine, but I don't think I'd be comfortable with tele-surgery. :wink:
If they can do "robotic" surgery with a doctor sitting in a kind of virtual reality system, moving levers, while a computer in the same room moves tiny surgical instruments inside a patient, then why can't you put the doctor and the patient in different rooms--maybe miles apart? I wonder when speed-of-light delays start to be a problem...
If the doctor is miles apart or possibly time zones apart, what happens when there is a communications failure? Just asking.
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It is already used but of course, not mainstream yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_surgery
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nisiprius wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:58 am
MarkerFM wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:32 am
Swansea wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:44 am In my area, a number of PCP leave to start a "boutique" practice. I had a phone surgery commissioned by a former doc asking if I would follow him if he went that route. Well, $1800 annual retainer is a bit much for my 2 visits a year, and he was nothing special.
I've heard of tele-medicine, but I don't think I'd be comfortable with tele-surgery. :wink:
If they can do "robotic" surgery with a doctor sitting in a kind of virtual reality system, moving levers, while a computer in the same room moves tiny surgical instruments inside a patient, then why can't you put the doctor and the patient in different rooms--maybe miles apart? I wonder when speed-of-light delays start to be a problem...
I think a small number of endoscopic (including robotic) surgeries get converted to open procedures in the operating room. For example, a larger vessel gets accidentally nicked and the resultant blood completely obscures the surgical field, or an anatomical variant turns up that necessitates converting to an open procedure. If the surgeon were miles away I think this could be an issue. (On the other hand, in something like battlefield medicine, having a specialist remotely working a tricky case with a local surgeon standing by might be a case where the benefit vs. risk works the other way.) The surgeons on the board could certainly describe the issues far better than I.
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As a healthcare risk manager, I have been part of many providers leaving a practice. Especially with larger group or corporate practices, it is common for physicians to have a non-compete clause in their contract. Typically, it forbids the departing physician from opening a new practice or joining a new practice for the next 12 months within 25 miles of the clinic location. The group or corporate practice considers you a patient of the group, not the individual physician, and the group wants to keep you as a patient. Therefore, the departing physician is forbidden to inform his/her patients that they are leaving and where they are going. The group practice typically sends out a letter on the physician departing the practice, and your care is being taken over by another physician at the group. If the departing physician breaches the non-compete clause or informs the patients where they are going, in an attempt to influence the patients to leave the practice and follow them, some groups are pretty enthusiastic about suing the departing physician for contract breach.
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coffeeblack wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:55 pm Doctors are getting treated very poorly. Many are going into non clinical work or moving on entirely.
Many workers are treated very poorly. At least doctors make, on average, a significant multiple of the average salary (in the US).
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Arlington2019 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:58 am As a healthcare risk manager, I have been part of many providers leaving a practice. Especially with larger group or corporate practices, it is common for physicians to have a non-compete clause in their contract. Typically, it forbids the departing physician from opening a new practice or joining a new practice for the next 12 months within 25 miles of the clinic location. The group or corporate practice considers you a patient of the group, not the individual physician, and the group wants to keep you as a patient. Therefore, the departing physician is forbidden to inform his/her patients that they are leaving and where they are going. The group practice typically sends out a letter on the physician departing the practice, and your care is being taken over by another physician at the group. If the departing physician breaches the non-compete clause or informs the patients where they are going, in an attempt to influence the patients to leave the practice and follow them, some groups are pretty enthusiastic about suing the departing physician for contract breach.
And this is exactly what is wrong with healthcare and the treatment of doctors. They have the skill but some administrator want to tell them who they can and can't see. No doctor should sign such contracts.
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MarkerFM wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:32 am
Swansea wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:44 am In my area, a number of PCP leave to start a "boutique" practice. I had a phone surgery commissioned by a former doc asking if I would follow him if he went that route. Well, $1800 annual retainer is a bit much for my 2 visits a year, and he was nothing special.
I've heard of tele-medicine, but I don't think I'd be comfortable with tele-surgery. :wink:
whoops...phone SURVEY....not surgery....good catch
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coffeeblack wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:24 pm And this is exactly what is wrong with healthcare and the treatment of doctors. They have the skill but some administrator want to tell them who they can and can't see. No doctor should sign such contracts.
I have been interested to see how physician opinions change on the non-compete clauses. When they are young and just starting out, and therefore more likely to move practices, they think non-compete clauses are manifestly unfair. And when the physicians get older and become shareholders or partners in the group, they think non-compete clauses are the best thing since sliced bread, since it helps keep the patients in the group, thus improving the revenue stream, and thus improving the shareholder/partner distributions. You see the exact same thing in law firms.
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Dottie57 wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:24 pm they fill in the computer forms but very little talk. Not happy at all.
You don't want your insurance to pay? This is a requirement of YOUR insurance. They have to check all the boxes. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it too....
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mhalley wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:28 pm It seems odd to me that they wouldn’t tell you she stopped practicing.
This was an employed doctor. Her employer wants to keep patients in the current practice and not make it easy for patients to leave and follow the other doctor.
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nisiprius wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:58 am
MarkerFM wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:32 am
Swansea wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:44 am In my area, a number of PCP leave to start a "boutique" practice. I had a phone surgery commissioned by a former doc asking if I would follow him if he went that route. Well, $1800 annual retainer is a bit much for my 2 visits a year, and he was nothing special.
I've heard of tele-medicine, but I don't think I'd be comfortable with tele-surgery. :wink:
If they can do "robotic" surgery with a doctor sitting in a kind of virtual reality system, moving levers, while a computer in the same room moves tiny surgical instruments inside a patient, then why can't you put the doctor and the patient in different rooms--maybe miles apart? I wonder when speed-of-light delays start to be a problem...
Ahh the miracles of modern advertising.
As a robotic trained surgeon, I am in the operating room about 10 feet away from the patient. If a complication develops that cannot be fixed with a robot, I convert to a "regular" open surgery.
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PhysicianOnFIRE wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:43 pm Discovered Bogleheads and retired early.

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Timely thread. Yesterday I got a call from the office of a specialist I have been seeing for years, last saw in May, and was scheduled to see again in September. The staff member said that the doctor is leaving in a week to take another job, and there is no word on who will take over her patients. They said they are trying to sign a new doctor to the practice.

I was scheduled to increase my dosage of a medication this week. I have no idea what to do. It's pretty jarring when someone you have seen for years, the only doctor you have seen for this condition, just up and leaves with less than a week of advance notice.

Am I still considered a patient of the practice? If I have an urgent issue outside office hours, can I still use their on-call number?
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toofache32 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:05 pm
Dottie57 wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:24 pm they fill in the computer forms but very little talk. Not happy at all.
You don't want your insurance to pay? This is a requirement of YOUR insurance. They have to check all the boxes. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it too....

Prior doctors at this group ***talked*** to me. Each visit was much more than tests. I actually knew a bit about the doctors and they about me. I know about the requirements of forms.

Given the costs of a visit I do expect more -especially since I had much better experience 2years ago.

P.S. i pay for the cake so yes I want to eat it. Cobra HDHP - I’ve paid every cent of office visits for every year since 2012.
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sawhorse wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:15 pm Timely thread. Yesterday I got a call from the office of a specialist I have been seeing for years, last saw in May, and was scheduled to see again in September. The staff member said that the doctor is leaving in a week to take another job, and there is no word on who will take over her patients. They said they are trying to sign a new doctor to the practice.

I was scheduled to increase my dosage of a medication this week. I have no idea what to do. It's pretty jarring when someone you have seen for years, the only doctor you have seen for this condition, just up and leaves with less than a week of advance notice.

Am I still considered a patient of the practice? If I have an urgent issue outside office hours, can I still use their on-call number?
I would certainly think so. And I would think so on the on-call # as well.
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Dottie57 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:23 pm
toofache32 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:05 pm
Dottie57 wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:24 pm they fill in the computer forms but very little talk. Not happy at all.
You don't want your insurance to pay? This is a requirement of YOUR insurance. They have to check all the boxes. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it too....

Prior doctors at this group ***talked*** to me. Each visit was much more than tests. I actually knew a bit about the doctors and they about me. I know about the requirements of forms.

Given the costs of a visit I do expect more -especially since I had much better experience 2years ago.

P.S. i pay for the cake so yes I want to eat it. Cobra HDHP - I’ve paid every cent of office visits for every year since 2012.
This is probably why the old doctors are no longer employed....they wasted time talking about irrelevant things. Things are different now from only 2 years ago. Paying insurance premiums means you paid the insurance company. It does not mean payments from insurance to the office are profitable.
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toofache32 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:56 pm
Dottie57 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:23 pm
toofache32 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:05 pm
Dottie57 wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:24 pm they fill in the computer forms but very little talk. Not happy at all.
You don't want your insurance to pay? This is a requirement of YOUR insurance. They have to check all the boxes. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it too....

Prior doctors at this group ***talked*** to me. Each visit was much more than tests. I actually knew a bit about the doctors and they about me. I know about the requirements of forms.

Given the costs of a visit I do expect more -especially since I had much better experience 2years ago.

P.S. i pay for the cake so yes I want to eat it. Cobra HDHP - I’ve paid every cent of office visits for every year since 2012.
This is probably why the old doctors are no longer employed....they wasted time talking about irrelevant things. Things are different now from only 2 years ago. Paying insurance premiums means you paid the insurance company. It does not mean payments from insurance to the office are profitable.
So now I see. You want a robot for a doctor. I don’t. And once again, Insurance did NOT pay for my visits.
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Dottie57 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:00 pm
toofache32 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:56 pm
Dottie57 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:23 pm
toofache32 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:05 pm
Dottie57 wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:24 pm they fill in the computer forms but very little talk. Not happy at all.
You don't want your insurance to pay? This is a requirement of YOUR insurance. They have to check all the boxes. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it too....

Prior doctors at this group ***talked*** to me. Each visit was much more than tests. I actually knew a bit about the doctors and they about me. I know about the requirements of forms.

Given the costs of a visit I do expect more -especially since I had much better experience 2years ago.

P.S. i pay for the cake so yes I want to eat it. Cobra HDHP - I’ve paid every cent of office visits for every year since 2012.
This is probably why the old doctors are no longer employed....they wasted time talking about irrelevant things. Things are different now from only 2 years ago. Paying insurance premiums means you paid the insurance company. It does not mean payments from insurance to the office are profitable.
So now I see. You want a robot for a doctor. I don’t. And once again, Insurance did NOT pay for my visits.
I don't want a robot. I'm simply saying this is what insurance pays for as they look for "gotchas" to not pay. If you paid full price and not insurance rates, then you have a reason to be upset. If that's the case, you should consider Direct Primary Care.
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