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Box wine- update and recommendations?

Post by Pete12 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:39 pm

It has been a while since there has been a box wine thread here, it would be good to get an update.

My local wine store now has an entire section of box wine, there must be 10 or 15 different brands there. I am currently working through a Bota Box malbec ($17.99/ 3 ltr) which is delicious. My wife likes the Black Box sauvignon blanc ($15.99/ 3 ltr)

The whole concept of box wine surely has to be 100% Boglehead approved so I would be interested to hear of any other brands and varieties that folks enjoy.

Cheers!
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Post by alter » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:51 pm

My daily wine is the Black Box Cabernet...also if you are a regular buyer, join their rewards club...the points add up quick and ive gotten a few visa gift cards just from buying wine I wouldve bought anyway.

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Post by testing321 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:52 pm

I have tried the Bota Box and Black Box and think the latter is especially good for an inexpensive wine. I like the Cabernet and wife likes the Chardonnay and, in the summer, the Rose. Our Sam's Club has two of them, and Costco one of them.

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Post by froman118 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:56 pm

We really like the Bota Box Nighthawk Black Red Blend. Not sure I've bought an actual bottle of wine this year. Costco dropped their price and is clearing it out at $12.97 so we stocked up.

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Post by bhsince87 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:01 pm

froman118 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:56 pm
We really like the Bota Box Nighthawk Black Red Blend. Not sure I've bought an actual bottle of wine this year. Costco dropped their price and is clearing it out at $12.97 so we stocked up.
This is a favorite of ours as well. It's $20 on sale here! (In PA)
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Post by BBQ Nut » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:02 pm

I also like the Bota Box Nighthawk Black Red Blend - it's a good everyday table red wine.

Vons was out of this one day and I tried the Bota Box Nighthawk Black Cabernet - did NOT care for that one. Tasted like cherry cough medicine - blech.

But, that's just me.

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Post by azanon » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:03 pm

You mentioned the best two from the outset - Botabox and Blackbox. Where I'm at, Blackbox is usually about 2 dollars more, but TBH, I think botabox is just as good. My favorite is always Merlot (any brand), but botabox Old Vine Zinfandel and Nighthawk Black (red wine blend) are also great. All of the blackboxes are good, but no standouts for me. Botabox also has the superior dispensary (button vs. the twisty knob).

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Post by psteinx » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:07 pm

Ooh, good thread for my not-quite on-point question, that I thought was maybe too trivial for its own thread.

I drink a little wine at home, from time to time, and then tend not to have more for weeks/months after. Maybe a glass or two. My wife drinks less wine than I and in any case generally doesn't like the same types of wines as I do.

I feel a bit guilty letting half or more of a standard wine bottle go bad after a few days.

I know boxes are an option, but I think the volumes are even higher than a standard bottle, and while things last longer, I'd guess they don't last long enough for my slow drinking.

Have tried better replacement bottle caps with limited success.

Have tried little plastic bottles of wine - seem OK.

Is it easy to find conventionally bottled, widely assorted, decent wines in ~1/2 bottle sizes, at prices that at least sort of reflect the smaller volume? Any other tips?
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Post by thankyouverymuch » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:17 pm

psteinx wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:07 pm
I feel a bit guilty letting half or more of a standard wine bottle go bad after a few days.
You might want to look into a product like the Coravin? https://www.coravin.com

It's basically a gadget with a needle you can use to extract a glass of wine through the cork, replacing the now-emptied space with inert gas (argon) so the wine in the bottle stays good as new as though you never opened it. I haven't bought one myself since they're sort of expensive, but they seem to be well-reviewed. They used to sell them at Costco, and I've seen them on Amazon. Good luck!

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Post by bob60014 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:22 pm

We flip between Bota and Blackbox depending on what's on sale, usually $16 in the Chicago area. We normally purchase the Sauvignon Blanc.

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Post by scubadiver » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:24 pm

Not ashamed to admit that I like Franzia.

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Post by oldfatguy » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:28 pm

Our Costco recently started carrying a Kirkland brand box of Cabernet for $12.99. I'll be taking one camping with us next week. :sharebeer

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Post by SimonJester » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:10 pm

Big House red blend is our goto box
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Post by smudge » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:14 pm

BotaBox RedVolution.

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Post by 02nz » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:19 pm

thankyouverymuch wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:17 pm
psteinx wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:07 pm
I feel a bit guilty letting half or more of a standard wine bottle go bad after a few days.
You might want to look into a product like the Coravin? https://www.coravin.com

It's basically a gadget with a needle you can use to extract a glass of wine through the cork, replacing the now-emptied space with inert gas (argon) so the wine in the bottle stays good as new as though you never opened it. I haven't bought one myself since they're sort of expensive, but they seem to be well-reviewed. They used to sell them at Costco, and I've seen them on Amazon. Good luck!
Or use Vacu Vin, which pumps out air. It probably doesn't work as well as Coravin but it's $12 instead of $170+. I find that it works well for preserving wine in the fridge for about a week or so.

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Post by psteinx » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:22 pm

02nz wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:19 pm
Or use Vacu Vin, which pumps out air. It probably doesn't work as well as Coravin but it's $12 instead of $170+. I find that it works well for preserving wine in the fridge for about a week or so.
I use a vacuum pump-y thing now. I prefer fairly dry reds, and don't love refrigerating them. They don't last long. Pretty decent day after, maybe (but I usually am not in the mood for more wine the day after). Within 3-4 days, wine tastes not great...

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Post by bhsince87 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:23 pm

psteinx wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:07 pm
Ooh, good thread for my not-quite on-point question, that I thought was maybe too trivial for its own thread.

I drink a little wine at home, from time to time, and then tend not to have more for weeks/months after. Maybe a glass or two. My wife drinks less wine than I and in any case generally doesn't like the same types of wines as I do.

I feel a bit guilty letting half or more of a standard wine bottle go bad after a few days.

I know boxes are an option, but I think the volumes are even higher than a standard bottle, and while things last longer, I'd guess they don't last long enough for my slow drinking.

Have tried better replacement bottle caps with limited success.

Have tried little plastic bottles of wine - seem OK.

Is it easy to find conventionally bottled, widely assorted, decent wines in ~1/2 bottle sizes, at prices that at least sort of reflect the smaller volume? Any other tips?
I used to have this problem too.

The best solution I found is to just bite the bullet and drink more! :beer
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Post by mrb09 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:35 pm

Boto Box Zin and Pinot Grigio during the week, bottles from wine clubs on the weekend.
SimonJester wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:10 pm
Big House red blend is our goto box
If I could get that I would, I used to get the bottles from Bonny Done Vineyard when I lived in Santa Cruz!

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Post by Dottie57 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:46 pm

WhatIs the amount of time a box will last?

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Post by Dottie57 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:49 pm

psteinx wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:07 pm
Ooh, good thread for my not-quite on-point question, that I thought was maybe too trivial for its own thread.

I drink a little wine at home, from time to time, and then tend not to have more for weeks/months after. Maybe a glass or two. My wife drinks less wine than I and in any case generally doesn't like the same types of wines as I do.

I feel a bit guilty letting half or more of a standard wine bottle go bad after a few days.

I know boxes are an option, but I think the volumes are even higher than a standard bottle, and while things last longer, I'd guess they don't last long enough for my slow drinking.

Have tried better replacement bottle caps with limited success.

Have tried little plastic bottles of wine - seem OK.

Is it easy to find conventionally bottled, widely assorted, decent wines in ~1/2 bottle sizes, at prices that at least sort of reflect the smaller volume? Any other tips?
Ask your local wine shop if they can order splits for you. My dad used to order splits and they were great to have for dinner.

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Post by Nissanzx1 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:12 pm

Wine sales guy here. We have samples every night from the work day, which is nice.

Our wine budget is zero, BUT if we had to pay for wine we would likely keep some Bota Box on hand. The only fair warning I’ll give you is that with boxed wine there is NO way to remember how much you have drank- so it can encourage over consumption. Just something to consider...

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Post by scubadiver » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:24 pm

Nissanzx1 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:12 pm
The only fair warning I’ll give you is that with boxed wine there is NO way to remember how much you have drank- so it can encourage over consumption. Just something to consider...
I would agree with this if it were not for the half gallon capacity wine glasses that our in-laws gave us and which I believe are much larger contributor to over consumption at our house. :)

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Post by Casper » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:27 pm

Nissanzx1 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:12 pm
Wine sales guy here. We have samples every night from the work day, which is nice.

Our wine budget is zero, BUT if we had to pay for wine we would likely keep some Bota Box on hand. The only fair warning I’ll give you is that with boxed wine there is NO way to remember how much you have drank- so it can encourage over consumption. Just something to consider...
Another vote for Bota Box (Sauvignon Blanc). Though DW and I are pretty new to boxed wine, we've definitely noticed that we drink more of it once the box is open. Lack of visibility into how much is left, combined with the "there's plenty there so I'll just pour a little bigger glass," leads to consuming more of it (for us).

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Post by koozie » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:28 pm

The Big Green Box.
Right around $20, I’ve only tried the reds, but they are all very good for the price.

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Post by Pete12 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:50 am

psteinx wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:07 pm
I know boxes are an option, but I think the volumes are even higher than a standard bottle, and while things last longer, I'd guess they don't last long enough for my slow drinking.
The Bota Box claims it will last up to 30 days, but we’ve had luck even 3-4 months after opening. Especially with the white wines which are kept in the fridge..

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Post by azanon » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:17 am

Pete12 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:50 am
psteinx wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:07 pm
I know boxes are an option, but I think the volumes are even higher than a standard bottle, and while things last longer, I'd guess they don't last long enough for my slow drinking.
The Bota Box claims it will last up to 30 days, but we’ve had luck even 3-4 months after opening. Especially with the white wines which are kept in the fridge..
3-4 months? You're not drinking enough. :D :beer :sharebeer :mrgreen:

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Post by fasteddie911 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:17 am

We really like the Costco one for $13. Trader Joe's was pretty good too. I must've had a bad batch of Botabox Old Vine Zinfandel as the one we recently had was undrinkable and was tossed.

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Post by willygreen » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:39 am

We really like La Vieille Ferme - Red Rhone blend from France. Normally $35, but get it on sale at Meijer for $18.

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Post by azanon » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:48 am

fasteddie911 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:17 am
We really like the Costco one for $13. Trader Joe's was pretty good too. I must've had a bad batch of Botabox Old Vine Zinfandel as the one we recently had was undrinkable and was tossed.
I can tell you this about Old Vine.... don't drink it in the mid 70s (room temperature). It definitely tastes better to me chilled in the fridge for about an hr to 1.5 hrs (for a full box). I thought mine was bad once too, but it just has a bite to it at 75 degrees.

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Post by TxAg » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:20 am

Another vote for Bota Box

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Post by heartwood » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:49 am

Big Sipper Red at Total Wine. Something like $13 for 5 liters. We prefer the blend over the cabernet which is a dollar more; its a taste thing not price. They also sell a chardonnay and a white wine. Tried the chard; its drinkable at a BBQ but would not buy again.

We've tried Bota wines in the past. Time to try again based on the reviews here. I'll look for the Bota Nighthawk Black red blend. It sounds like our style.

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Post by tenkuky » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:02 am

See below Wine Spectator ratings for this canned and box wines....
https://www.winespectator.com/articles/ ... -and-boxes

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Post by tenkuky » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:03 am

willygreen wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:39 am
We really like La Vieille Ferme - Red Rhone blend from France. Normally $35, but get it on sale at Meijer for $18.
Thanks for the tip! I usually get my 750 ml La Vieille Ferme for $ 6.99 so getting 3 L for $18 is a deal!

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tenkuky wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:02 am
See below Wine Spectator ratings for this canned and box wines....
https://www.winespectator.com/articles/ ... -and-boxes
Link doesn't work :(

This page is corked.
The page you have requested does not seem to exist.

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Ugh, it worked a second ago. Let's try again
https://www.winespectator.com/articles/ ... -and-boxes

If not: 2nd return in Google search wine spectator on the move

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Post by climber2020 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:51 pm

Dottie57 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:46 pm
WhatIs the amount of time a box will last?
For us about 2-3 weeks before it starts tasting different, though I've had month old Bota Box wine and it was still good enough.

We buy the medium sized Bota Brick which is half the size as the big 3L one, so it never sits around long enough to go bad.

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Post by Dottie57 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:03 pm

climber2020 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:51 pm
Dottie57 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:46 pm
WhatIs the amount of time a box will last?
For us about 2-3 weeks before it starts tasting different, though I've had month old Bota Box wine and it was still good enough.

We buy the medium sized Bota Brick which is half the size as the big 3L one, so it never sits around long enough to go bad.
Good to know. I usually buy a bottle or two and consume them over 2 or 3 weeks then I’m done for a couple of months.

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Post by Thesaints » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:04 pm

So odd that one cannot find any good Brunello, or a Chateneuf in boxed format...

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willygreen wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:39 am
We really like La Vieille Ferme - Red Rhone blend from France. Normally $35, but get it on sale at Meijer for $18.
Came here just to recommend this. I find it noticeably better than the Bota box reds, which can feel a little sweet/jammy/treacly for my tastes. This one is a little drier and more interesting. In my local liquor stores it's like $24, and it's well worth it. My girlfriend and I call it Rooster Wine because of the logo. I've also had the Rose, which is pretty good, but I prefer the red.

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Post by Pete12 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:31 pm

Thesaints wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:04 pm
So odd that one cannot find any good Brunello, or a Chateneuf in boxed format...
It baffles me why wine only has to come in 750ml glass bottles. I read an article a while ago which looks at this topic along with other things the wine industry does which make no sense:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ustry.html

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Post by tenkuky » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:44 pm

Pete12 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:31 pm
Thesaints wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:04 pm
So odd that one cannot find any good Brunello, or a Chateneuf in boxed format...
It baffles me why wine only has to come in 750ml glass bottles. I read an article a while ago which looks at this topic along with other things the wine industry does which make no sense:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ustry.html
Actually it doesn't. Several higher end sweets (Tokaj, Sauternes etc) come in 375 ml.
Many of your 750s are available in 1.5L.
There are also even larger formats: Jeroboam = 3 L, Methuselah = 6 L, Balthazar = 12 L.

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Post by Grasshopper » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:46 pm

I liked Botabox Old Vine Zinfandel, but haven't had it for a while, I have been drinking Barefoot Pinot Noir $8 for a 1.5 liter bottle.

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Post by Texanbybirth » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:55 pm

Another vote for Bota Box. We like the chardonnay (green) and malbec (black I think), though I've got no issues with the cab, pinot noir, or merlot. I see the recs for the redvolution, so we might just have to give that a try, and maybe the rose (tis the season). We drink a glass of wine with dinner almost everyday, and might have two on the weekends. :beer

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Post by lazydavid » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:07 pm

It doesn't actually come in a box, but one of my favorite wines in that price class is Costco's Kirkland Cabernet. It's $8 for a Magnum (1.5L), so equivalent to $16 for a 3L box. Not spectactular, but very drinkable, probably equivalent to wines costing right around 3x its price, or $10-12 for a 750mL bottle).

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Post by A440 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:49 pm

What??? No Vella wine box fans here?? (I'm looking for the emoji with the L on the forehead)
I like their delicious Red.
I saw that barefoot wines now has boxed wines. I'll have to give one or two a try.
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Post by ronno2018 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:14 pm

I have found the Kirkland/Costco big bottles to be better than the boxes I have tried. I thought the one way valve might help the boxes but I think it really does not. Maybe a little.

My next steps -- https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-5 ... Id=4223301

https://www.tastingtable.com/drinks/nat ... morial-day

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Post by lazydavid » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:40 pm

ronno2018 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:14 pm
I have found the Kirkland/Costco big bottles to be better than the boxes I have tried. I thought the one way valve might help the boxes but I think it really does not. Maybe a little.

My next steps -- https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-5 ... Id=4223301

https://www.tastingtable.com/drinks/nat ... morial-day

:sharebeer
Be aware that you will likely have to replace the lines, shank, faucet, and possibly the sankey coupler. Wine is more acidic than beer, and so the typical plated brass fittings will dissolve. Everything that touches the wine needs to be high-grade stainless or silicone. You will also want to push it with Nitrogen rather than CO2.

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Post by ronno2018 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:27 pm

lazydavid wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:40 pm
ronno2018 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:14 pm
I have found the Kirkland/Costco big bottles to be better than the boxes I have tried. I thought the one way valve might help the boxes but I think it really does not. Maybe a little.

My next steps -- https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-5 ... Id=4223301

https://www.tastingtable.com/drinks/nat ... morial-day

:sharebeer
Be aware that you will likely have to replace the lines, shank, faucet, and possibly the sankey coupler. Wine is more acidic than beer, and so the typical plated brass fittings will dissolve. Everything that touches the wine needs to be high-grade stainless or silicone. You will also want to push it with Nitrogen rather than CO2.
Wow, thanks for the info! I really am more of beer person, I think it would take me the rest of my life to finish off a keg of wine! :beer

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Post by michaeljc70 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:09 pm

I've tried a few box wines in the past. Some were decent. As mentioned by other posters, Bota and Black. There was a Trader Joe's box I liked that was discontinued a year or two ago. It is interesting to hear about the Costco boxes mentioned. I go to Costco all the time and purchase most of my wine from there. In the Chicagoland area, I have never seen a boxed wine there.

Not to get too off topic, but I've definitely suffered from wine creep. I used to drink $4-$6 bottles of wine and now that has crept into $7-$14 bottles.

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