New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

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New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by shankar1415 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:13 pm

Hello, I am trying to choose between buying a new 2019 Mazda CX 5 grand touring or reserve (total cost ~33000 - 37000) vs a 2016 Acura RDX with advance package (total cost ~30,000). The Mazda is more expensive to buy but the 5 year cost to own is likely higher with the used RDX. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks!

(Total cost includes tax + fees)

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by CorradoJr » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:01 pm

Typically budget makes are Kia and Hyundai.

Acura is not a luxury make. It is similar to Volvo and Infiniti.

Luxury brands would be BMW, Mercedes, and to most, Audi.

Why not a used X3 or GLC? 2016 models would also be in the $30-35k range and be a proper luxury vehicle.

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Post by michaeljc70 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:40 pm

I would consider Lexus, Infiniti and Acura luxury/premium class unlike the post above.

I would go for the new Mazda with a full warranty. I have a 2015 and like the CX-5. The new models have received a lot of great reviews and the top of line is near-luxury (not in nameplate, but in features). That aside, the RDX was restyled for 2019 so you'll be driving a 3 year old car that no one will mistake for new.

As a side note, I was in my friends new 2019 RDX last weekend and was shocked at how grainy the backup camera screen was. It looked like a camera from 1984.
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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by randomguy » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:42 pm

shankar1415 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:13 pm
Hello, I am trying to choose between buying a new 2019 Mazda CX 5 grand touring or reserve (total cost ~33000 - 37000) vs a 2016 Acura RDX with advance package (total cost ~30,000). The Mazda is more expensive to buy but the 5 year cost to own is likely higher with the used RDX. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks!

(Total cost includes tax + fees)
Edmunds doesn't have the reserve for TCO so lets look at the grand touring
mazda CX5 32k cash -. TCO over 5 years 39k
Acura RDX/advance - 28k cash -> TCO 46.8k

The big differences are in fuel ~3k and maintenance ~3k . I think the maintenance costs on both look high but they are in the ballpark. The other thing to think about is what the next 5 years will cost. Driving a 2019 mazda 5 more years is easily imaginable. Driving an 8 year old acura another 5 years might be another.

The real question is if money was no object which one would you buy? They are pretty darn close cars. The 2016 RDX isn't exactly a high end luxury car and the 2019 Mazda is a couple steps up from a budget car in terms of general fit and finish. The tech in those 2016s also hasn't aged well. The adaptive cruise control doesn't have low speed follow and the navigation looks very dated and you can't replace it with carplay/android auto. I did think the seats were a bit more comfortable than the mazda but in a 10 min test drive that doesn't mean much. The v6 versus the turbo 4 also hasn't a different feel. I sort of like turbos:) but I totally understand a preference for the v6.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by Winston19 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:55 pm

Have you driven both? The mazda certainly does not feel like a budget suv.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by ThankYouJack » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:16 pm

If you’ve driven both and can’t decide I would lean towards the new car. What would the warranty on both be?

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by RootSki » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:22 pm

CorradoJr wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:01 pm
Typically budget makes are Kia and Hyundai.

Acura is not a luxury make. It is similar to Volvo and Infiniti.

Luxury brands would be BMW, Mercedes, and to most, Audi.

Why not a used X3 or GLC? 2016 models would also be in the $30-35k range and be a proper luxury vehicle.
Acura is just a rebadged Honda
Infinity is just a rebadged Nissan
Volvo is its own premium brand, not similar to Honda or Nissan at all.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by playtothebeat » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:30 pm

I’d certainly consider Acura a luxury (low-tier). Lexus IS a mid tier. Audi, BMW etc top tier.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by randomguy » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:35 pm

RootSki wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:22 pm
CorradoJr wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:01 pm
Typically budget makes are Kia and Hyundai.

Acura is not a luxury make. It is similar to Volvo and Infiniti.

Luxury brands would be BMW, Mercedes, and to most, Audi.

Why not a used X3 or GLC? 2016 models would also be in the $30-35k range and be a proper luxury vehicle.
Acura is just a rebadged Honda
Infinity is just a rebadged Nissan
Volvo is its own premium brand, not similar to Honda or Nissan at all.
2016 X3 or GLC would cost 56k over 5 years. Or 10k more than the Acura and 17k more than the mazda. Thats a lot of cash. Not to mention those 2016s are incredibly dated safety tech wise. Your odds of finding a 2016 X3 with basic tech like blind spot monitoring or adaptive cruise control is just about 0. I've looked:)

Yep acura is a rebadged Honda. With a different engine. Different seats. Different sheet metal. Different electronics. Different sound deadening. And so on. At what point is it a new car? Would the 2016 RDX drive any better if it had the same platform and the CRV didn't exist? Is the Q5 that beats the X3 and GLC in most comparisions a worse car cause it uses a VW platform?

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by CascadiaSoonish » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:41 pm

FWIW I drive an older RDX with over 160K miles on it. In five years of ownership I've had to spend very little on it for maintenance and repairs. It's no longer a beautiful car nor is it luxurious, but I save soooo much money compared to the alternatives.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by investor4life » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:42 pm

I went through the same decision process very recently, deciding between the 2019 CX5 and the Lexus NX and the Acura RDX. Bought the CX5 Grand Touring with the Premium package. (This configuration is identical to the Reserve, if you don’t need the turbo engine of the Reserve, and this saves you 2-3K.) The CX5 clocked in at 31.5K (plus tax, title, license). It is absolutely loaded and drives like a dream. The lux SUVs above would have cost 7-8K more comparably equipped. No regrets at all.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by msi » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:41 pm

Acuras aren't expensive to maintain. I've been driving one for the past decade, and it's been extremely reliable. I go to a local independent mechanic, too.

The problem with the 2016 RDX, which I've been considering as a replacement for this car, is the stupid looking beak/smiley face grill. If you can get past that, or you're willing to have the grill painted (which I've read that dealers offer as an extra service), I think it will be a great buy.

You might also consider the Lexus NX 200t, but that'll be a little more expensive.

I've also been considering the CX-5, but the problem there is the awful reviews Mazda's flaky and not-standard-in-any-trim remote start system gets. If you don't care about that feature, or you're willing to go aftermarket, I would imagine the CX-5 will be a great buy, too. It gets lots of good reviews from car magazines, and CR gives it high scores for reliability. The higher level trims btw are hardly "budget" SUVs.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by 02nz » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:43 pm

Interesting that you call a 33-37K SUV "budget." :happy

Honestly, the top trims of the CX-5 is a much nicer car than the used RDX. The redesigned '19 RDX is very nice, but the last gen RDX was one very bland car, nothing special about it besides a semi-luxury badge. For me this would be a no-brainer in favor of the Mazda.
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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by ronno2018 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:45 pm

We loved our old Mazda and the new ones are great. Think about a hybrid for gas savings. Out Kia Niro is awesome. https://www.kia.com/us/en/vehicle/niro- ... ybrid/2019

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by 02nz » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:49 pm

RootSki wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:22 pm
Acura is just a rebadged Honda
Infinity is just a rebadged Nissan
Volvo is its own premium brand, not similar to Honda or Nissan at all.
Kinda off-topic, but Infinitis are for the most part not rebadged Nissans, at least in the U.S. market. Of Infiniti's seven models in the U.S., only one is anything close to a rebadged Nissan (the QX60 shares a platform with the Pathfinder), although another (QX30) is a reskinned Mercedes GLA.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by Xrayman69 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:58 am

playtothebeat wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:30 pm
I’d certainly consider Acura a luxury (low-tier). Lexus IS a mid tier. Audi, BMW etc top tier.
Marketing is king. Tiers of luxury. Typically the mid end of various classes end up being the most expensive as people don’t want to choose the “lowest” tier and thus the brand can increase the margin for perception and psychological basis.

I’m not sure how to define luxury but am comfortable with it when I sit and drive in a ca and would agree with the order above. I find it funny when going to the car rental places they always list the Mercedes on this list of luxury but more often then not give you the “or equivalent”.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by shankar1415 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:34 am

Thanks all! Overall seems like the cx5 seems to be the way to go.

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Post by theplayer11 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:44 am

just bought a new cx-5 GTR. If you care about performance at all, don't skimp, get the turbo. Really fun to drive. Of course this means you are paying for a bunch of other features you might not want if $$$ is a huge factor....really liking those ventilated seats though :happy

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Post by lazydavid » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:45 am

investor4life wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:42 pm
I went through the same decision process very recently, deciding between the 2019 CX5 and the Lexus NX and the Acura RDX. Bought the CX5 Grand Touring with the Premium package.
I would pick the current model RDX over the CX-5 as Acura really nailed it this time around; But if you were looking at the previous gen as the OP is, CX-5 all the way. NX is not really in the same class as either IMO, even though it's supposed to be. The NX is a Rav4 that hasn't even been tarted up for Luxury duties, and is unbefitting of the Lexus brand.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by TheOscarGuy » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:02 am

shankar1415 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:13 pm
Hello, I am trying to choose between buying a new 2019 Mazda CX 5 grand touring or reserve (total cost ~33000 - 37000) vs a 2016 Acura RDX with advance package (total cost ~30,000). The Mazda is more expensive to buy but the 5 year cost to own is likely higher with the used RDX. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks!

(Total cost includes tax + fees)
What is your objective? Both cars will last you a while. Mazda likely longer than Acura, since it is newer car. You will also get latest safety features with mazda, and may not get them with Acura depending on what that particular MY vehicle has. 33K vs 30K seems a no brainer to me to get the new vehicle, but from your other thread it sounds like you don't have that 33K offer on the new Mazda. How many miles does Acura have? Are you a DIY person who can take care of most common maintenance items; if yes, it does not matter that much to you that Acura is older. Depending on its mileage, you may need to do water pump + timing belt replacement. IIRC its either age of car or miles, and usually its ~80-100K when most manufacturers recommend doing it. Every single other maintenance item you can do on your own. But all of this is assuming your mazda pricing is more like 37K and not 33K. At a difference of 3K its not worth buying 3 year old car. If you are financing, you will also get expensive financing for used car than a new car.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by shankar1415 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:27 pm

The range on the Mazda pricing is due to the trim. I was comparing all inclusive rate. We decided to go with the Mazda, since 1. Maintenance cost is likely gonna be lower in the long run 2. Mazda gtr offers similar luxury effect to Acura 3. Newer safety system and infotainment in Mazda.

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Post by michaeljc70 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:29 pm

shankar1415 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:27 pm
The range on the Mazda pricing is due to the trim. I was comparing all inclusive rate. We decided to go with the Mazda, since 1. Maintenance cost is likely gonna be lower in the long run 2. Mazda gtr offers similar luxury effect to Acura 3. Newer safety system and infotainment in Mazda.
I think that is a good choice. Let us know how it works out after you drive it a while. I've been thinking about replacing an older car with a new CX-5 (we also have a 2015 CX-5).

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by teamDE » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:27 pm

My first thought was the new Mazda CX5. They're quite nice and drive even better.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by investor4life » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:09 pm

michaeljc70 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:29 pm
shankar1415 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:27 pm
The range on the Mazda pricing is due to the trim. I was comparing all inclusive rate. We decided to go with the Mazda, since 1. Maintenance cost is likely gonna be lower in the long run 2. Mazda gtr offers similar luxury effect to Acura 3. Newer safety system and infotainment in Mazda.
I think that is a good choice. Let us know how it works out after you drive it a while. I've been thinking about replacing an older car with a new CX-5 (we also have a 2015 CX-5).
My thoughts after owning a 2019 Mazda CX5 GT AWD with Premium package for about 10 days. The car is amazingly well-equipped for the price (31.5K before TTL). Heated, ventilated seats, head-up display, the full suite of safety features etc. etc. I was a bit concerned about the lack of trunk space (based on numerous reviews) but this has not been an issue so far. The one area where the car does come up short: A lack of storage areas in the main cabin for everyday things like sunglasses, phone, coins, phone charger etc. -- stuff that I was able to accommodate easily in my sedan. Other than the smallish storage bin under the center armrest, there's just one other small area under the climate controls. I'm trying to get creative about this.

But no regrets whatsoever. The car looks great inside and out, handles beautifully, and the non-turbo has plenty of pep for me. I averaged 28.3 mpg in combined city and freeway on my first tank of gas last week.

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by ohai » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:29 pm

Why not a used CX5?

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by marekc » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:32 pm

I was in a similar situation a few months ago. I checked used Lexus Rx350, Acura rdx, infinity and compared them to new Honda Pilot, Passport, Toyota and... Hyundai SantaFe. We went with top trim SantaFe. It feels more luxurios than 3 year old Lexus or Acura. We love it - ownership bias 😀 check it out, Hyundai gives $50 of you test drive it.

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Post by meercatter » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:42 am

The car I purchased recently is equipped with Android auto and apple carplay. This is an incredibly useful feature and makes driving much more pleasant. It lets you control Google maps seamlessly and play all the media apps on your phone. I'd suggest getting a car that has that :)

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Re: New budget SUV vs used luxury SUV

Post by michaeljc70 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:58 am

ohai wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:29 pm
Why not a used CX5?
I cannot speak for the OP, but they were restyled for 2019. The trim levels also changed. If you don't care, it is a good time to buy a used car as a restyle usually impacts used car values. I have a 2015 CX-5 and know that some of the tech on the 2019 wasn't even available in any trim or as an option on the 2015. The exterior styling changes are pretty subdued with the biggest change IMO being the front grill.

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