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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by mbres60 » Tue May 28, 2019 8:09 am

I just called and cancelled my subscription. With an expiration date of March 2020 I will get a refund of $8.67. Woo hoo! Maybe I can go out for lunch today. :D

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by DaftInvestor » Tue May 28, 2019 9:22 am

southerndoc wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 2:38 am
Sad to see it go. Are they refunding money for those of us who paid past June/July issue? I recently renewed for two years.
I called this morning and if you click the number for "Money Print Edition Cancellation" you get an automated message stating you will receive mail with options in 60 - 90 days (options being another publication or refund).
I called back and clicked the option for operation and simply stated I wanted a refund ASAP - no interest in other pubs. They said they would send me a check in 2-3 weeks (I never pay for magazines with a Credit-Card because in the past this has put me on auto-renew without asking for it causing me to pay full price in follow-on years)..

I do most of my reading on-line but subscribe to a couple of magazines for "Bathroom Reading" and this was one. A lot of redundancy and articles whose advise I would never follow but to me, it was a good way of keeping up with financial news without have to watch daily financial news (and there was an occasional interesting article in each edition). For those that say "What's a magazine" - call me old-fashioned but I don't tend to bring electronics with me into the restroom - that's were magazines have come in for me. I suppose I could print out some reading material but I've still got a few other magazines left.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by DaftInvestor » Tue May 28, 2019 9:27 am

Nowizard wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 4:39 pm
Subscriber who had not heard this.

Tim
Read the "editor's note" in June/July edition you should have recently received.

It wasn't perfect but for a cheap $10 yearly was worthwhile.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by samsoes » Tue May 28, 2019 9:36 am

aspirit wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 11:26 pm
TYCB :wink:
What does TYCB mean?
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by samsoes » Tue May 28, 2019 9:41 am

mptfan wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 7:16 am
Fallible wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 12:18 pm
And without the print version back in the late '80s, I might not have known about Jack Bigle and indexing,
Who is Jack Bigle, and what does he have to say about indexing? :happy
I suspect the poster made a typographical error when referring to Jack Bogle.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Nowizard » Tue May 28, 2019 9:47 am

The Editor's note was not satisfying in that it did not clearly describe what the site will look like going forward other than "Newsletters," and did not mention refunds for those who have renewed for significant periods in the future. Another change for dinosaurs like my family who like older approaches, are not on social media, do not keep spread sheets but have managed to continue functioning in an increasingly digital world.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by AAA » Tue May 28, 2019 10:10 am

aspirit wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 11:26 pm
TYCB :wink:
?

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by TravelGeek » Tue May 28, 2019 10:40 am

Nowizard wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:47 am
The Editor's note was not satisfying in that it did not clearly describe what the site will look like going forward other than "Newsletters," and did not mention refunds for those who have renewed for significant periods in the future. Another change for dinosaurs like my family who like older approaches, are not on social media, do not keep spread sheets but have managed to continue functioning in an increasingly digital world.

Tim
Yes, indeed. I found it “amusing” that I can now join some Facebook group to learn about retirement issues. No thanks. The editor should have just pointed everyone bogleheads.org :)

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by DaftInvestor » Tue May 28, 2019 10:43 am

Another article on the topic (not behind paywall - at least doesn't appear so for me):

https://nypost.com/2019/04/17/money-mag ... s-auction/

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Taylor Larimore » Tue May 28, 2019 11:01 am

Bogleheads:

For many years, once a month, I would spend Sunday's at the Miami Public Library reading financial magazines, financial news letters, and the updated five inch thick Morningstar binder.

Money was my favorite magazine.

I will miss it.

Best wishes.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by southerndoc » Tue May 28, 2019 11:02 am

AAA wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 10:10 am
aspirit wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 11:26 pm
TYCB :wink:
?
Thank You, Country Boy?

I think it's Thank You Closed Business.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Gill » Tue May 28, 2019 11:12 am

Taylor Larimore wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 11:01 am
Bogleheads:

For many years, once a month, I would spend Sunday's at the Miami Public Library reading financial magazines, financial news letters, and the updated five inch thick Morningstar binder.

Money was my favorite magazine.

I will miss it.

Best wishes.
Taylor
I will too, Taylor. I've subscribed since the 1970's and I believe it was in "Money" in 1999 that I first saw your name and learned of the original Morningstar forum. Whereas I once subscribed to many magazines I am now down to only "Consumer Reports" with "Money" shutting down. I guess I'm old fashioned enough to still enjoy the daily newspaper and an occasional magazine.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by scooter » Tue May 28, 2019 11:19 am

Check your library if they offer FREE digital magazines on line.

I read Kiplinger every month in addition to several magazines as well as e-books

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by rich126 » Tue May 28, 2019 11:27 am

I know some are sarcastically asking "what is a magazine?" but while not surprised to see it and many others go away it is somewhat sad. I grew up looking forward to reading the sports page (in the local newspaper), and other sports related magazines.

Other than once in a great while at the airport I rarely pick up magazines or newspapers. The prices of them seem incredibly high ($6+ for a few pages). And who has ever subscribed and let their subscription expire, recall the endless "reminders" to resubscribe. Kind of like electronic subscriptions that try to renew on an expired CC and tell you something is wrong, yet they "magically" find a way to get it renewed (this I find questionable).

Not surprising although a bit sad about it. (Just in general and not specific to Money.)

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by mbres60 » Tue May 28, 2019 11:59 am

Anybody on here NOT get their June issue yet? I have not. Seems like it is a bit late although talking about it I'll probably get it in today's mail :D

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by KirklandCoug » Tue May 28, 2019 12:10 pm

I dumped Money magazine when they got really political with their social media posts. I didn't come to them for that kind of garbage. I'm glad Kiplinger's has stayed away from politically choosing sides.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by TierArtz » Tue May 28, 2019 12:39 pm

Money magazine and its ilk are how I discovered once-hot funds I no longer own: Brandywine, Janus 20, and a dozen other from Fidelity and T. Rowe Price. But, I also learned about no-load funds from them, and quickly parted ways with the kind salesman I met at church.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by abuss368 » Tue May 28, 2019 3:56 pm

So many changes. I still receive the print edition of The Wall Street Journal. Is digital only that far away?
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by khh » Tue May 28, 2019 4:19 pm

nisiprius wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 5:01 am
Rats. Now I'll have to read "Highlights for Children" in the dentist's waiting room.
Goofus invests in high expense funds and tries to time the market.

Gallant invests in low expense index funds at regular intervals.

:D

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Post by GerryL » Tue May 28, 2019 5:03 pm

The June/July issue just showed up in my mailbox. Thought last month's issue was my last. Oh, well. Now I have the final print issue. Wonder if it will be a collector's item? Or should I just stick it in my carry-on when I hit the road next month?

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by DanMahowny » Tue May 28, 2019 6:04 pm

khh wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 4:19 pm
nisiprius wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 5:01 am
Rats. Now I'll have to read "Highlights for Children" in the dentist's waiting room.
Goofus invests in high expense funds and tries to time the market.

Gallant invests in low expense index funds at regular intervals.

:D
That's hilarious. Thanks man.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Go Blue 99 » Tue May 28, 2019 8:21 pm

I still subscribe ($2 per yr) though I don’t find it highly useful for new finance knowledge. I really enjoyed the family finance profiles where they listed income, debts,and an action plan. But it seems they phased out that feature awhile back.

Call me old-fashioned but I’ll be sad when print magazines eventually go extinct.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by tomd37 » Tue May 28, 2019 9:49 pm

Cancellation reimbursement received. I cancelled my upcoming renewal subscription by a telephone call to Money magazine customer service this past Saturday morning. I was told my credit card would be credited and I received an email alert from American Express that they had processed a credit on Tuesday. It can't get much better than that. :D
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Yellowhouse » Tue May 28, 2019 9:56 pm

am wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 9:31 am
Sad to see it go. For 10 bucks subscription I’d flip through it and get some decent articles. I especially liked the stories about people’s personal finances. It’s nice to see people retiring on reasonable amounts and not asking if 70k spend on 4 mil is going to be ok :D
Very good, particularly the last sentence which is basically a humble brag that is so common around here!!

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Sheepdog » Tue May 28, 2019 10:02 pm

Taylor Larimore wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 11:01 am
Bogleheads:

For many years, once a month, I would spend Sunday's at the Miami Public Library reading financial magazines, financial news letters, and the updated five inch thick Morningstar binder.

Money was my favorite magazine.

I will miss it.

Best wishes.
Taylor
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by meebers » Wed May 29, 2019 12:40 pm

Just renewed for 3 yrs about 2 weeks ago. Called and was promptly answered without any hassle when I asked for refund. In my case, the check is in the mail :( 2-3 weeks. Got a confirmation # if that will mean anything.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by DaftInvestor » Thu May 30, 2019 7:06 am

meebers wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 12:40 pm
Just renewed for 3 yrs about 2 weeks ago. Called and was promptly answered without any hassle when I asked for refund. In my case, the check is in the mail :( 2-3 weeks. Got a confirmation # if that will mean anything.
I found news articles (one I posted above) going back to mid-April that they were shutting down - amazing they were taking and cashing peoples checks for subscriptions just 2 weeks ago.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by topper1296 » Thu May 30, 2019 7:21 am

I have been a subscriber for about 10 years or so and my subscription ends in Dec and I was NOT planning on renewing anyway.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by DanMahowny » Thu May 30, 2019 7:49 am

Yellowhouse wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:56 pm
am wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 9:31 am
Sad to see it go. For 10 bucks subscription I’d flip through it and get some decent articles. I especially liked the stories about people’s personal finances. It’s nice to see people retiring on reasonable amounts and not asking if 70k spend on 4 mil is going to be ok :D
Very good, particularly the last sentence which is basically a humble brag that is so common around here!!
Yep. Very common indeed.

I have $14,000,000 in investments. I have a $90,000 per year pension. I spend $9,000 annually.

Can I retire? Hilarious.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by youngdlplat » Thu May 30, 2019 8:05 am

While I agree Money Magazine is relatively simple for people who read a lot in this area, I subscribe to Money for the same reason I subscribe to Men's Health -- it's a monthly reminder of what's healthy for me. Men's Health has the same advice every month, but it reminds me to eat well, exercise, and take care of myself. Money Magazine was a monthly reminder to live below my means, invest in index funds, and save, save, save. That was definitely worth $10 a year to me.

What I'm particularly disappointed about is that I just got Money for my 69-year-old mother who does not understand personal finance well at all. While I answer her questions and explain things, a couple years of Money magazine seemed perfect to me to let her self-educate. I am quite disappointed by this.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by SuperGrafx » Thu May 30, 2019 1:19 pm

DanMahowny wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 7:49 am
Yellowhouse wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:56 pm
am wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 9:31 am
Sad to see it go. For 10 bucks subscription I’d flip through it and get some decent articles. I especially liked the stories about people’s personal finances. It’s nice to see people retiring on reasonable amounts and not asking if 70k spend on 4 mil is going to be ok :D
Very good, particularly the last sentence which is basically a humble brag that is so common around here!!
Yep. Very common indeed.

I have $14,000,000 in investments. I have a $90,000 per year pension. I spend $9,000 annually.

Can I retire? Hilarious.
+1 :beer

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Ron » Thu May 30, 2019 2:09 pm

I thought it was illegal to print Money :oops:

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by topper1296 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:16 pm

topper1296 wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 7:21 am
I have been a subscriber for about 10 years or so and my subscription ends in Dec and I was NOT planning on renewing anyway.
Update: I just called customer service and cancelled what was left of my subscription for a refund.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by bcowan12 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:25 pm

oldmotos wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 9:31 pm
I just read the last issue today but did not notice the Editor's Note that this was the last print issue. Seems to me they should have made it more prominent and stated how they would refund their subscribers.
I didn't see it either. It was the only news item all year that was guaranteed to affect every single one of their subscribers, so definitely deserved a LARGE FONT notice. I'm suddenly feeling a lot less likely to investigate getting the digital version.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by bloom2708 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:39 pm

I too was curious why there was no mention except for the Editor's Note.

Not a single mention on the cover or anywhere else.

If nothing else, they could have sold a lot more copies from the stand with a "Final Print Issue" banner.

Collectors would have been hoarding them and holding for 25 years for eventual eBay sale. :wink:

I will miss the magazine even if it didn't have much in it. It was pretty light and fluffy.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by southerndoc » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:28 am

I emailed the editor and received a response that refunds will automatically be issued around October. They will no longer offer digital versions of the magazine and will concentrate on web content only.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by miles monroe » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:15 pm

i just read the june issue -- what a horrible job of explaining they did -- starting with the fact the info was hidden in the "editors note" page with nothing to indicate the magazine was going away.

but we get the FREE! facebook group. :)

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Leif » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:28 pm

Just today I got an airline miles for magazines letter. Sure enough, Money is still listed as an option. I was wondering if that is for an on-line subscription, but there was not mention of that.

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Post by fsrph » Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:01 pm

Today, I received a postcard in the mail from Money magazine. It stated Kiplinger Personal Finance magazine will be sent in place of Money magazine for the the rest of my subscription. If I would rather cancel and receive a refund the number to call is 888-419-0424.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Gill » Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:05 pm

fsrph wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:01 pm
Today, I received a postcard in the mail from Money magazine. It stated Kiplinger Personal Finance magazine will be sent in place of Money magazine for the the rest of my subscription. If I would rather cancel and receive a refund the number to call is 888-419-0424.

Francis
Just received the same today along with the first copy of Kiplinger. I once subscribed to that magazine and it's not a bad substitute.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Broken Man 1999 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:23 pm

Years ago as I was checking out at the website newegg.com a pop-up offered me 5 mags for $10 total. Money was one, Bloomberg Business was another. Over the years I would call to cancel, and I would be offered another year for $2.00.

Finally Money dropped my good deal, but my Business week subscription still renews at $2.00/year.

I always have received a postcard stating when my subscription would be renewed at the much much higher rate, but a call to an automated service would offer me $2.00/year.

Never been ripped off, never have been renewed at the higher rate.

But honestly, Money has been lame IMHO for a few years.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by TravelGeek » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:11 pm

miles monroe wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:15 pm
i just read the june issue -- what a horrible job of explaining they did -- starting with the fact the info was hidden in the "editors note" page with nothing to indicate the magazine was going away.
It almost seemed as if they added this at the last minute.
but we get the FREE! facebook group. :)
I am not going to join any FB group. Turns me from a customer into a product. No thanks.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by tomd37 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:17 pm

Update to my previous post.

I also subscribe to Kiplinger's Personal Finance magazine and received the August 2019 issue in today's mail. It had a special mailing cover on it indicating that, as a subscriber to Money Magazine, arrangements have been made between Money and Kiplinger's for me to receive an extension to my Kiplinger's subscription period for the remaining portion of my print subscription to Money.

Subscribers to Money not having a subscription to Kiplinger's would receive Kiplinger's for the remaining portion of their Money subscription. Smart move on the part of Kiplinger's as they try to retain and get new print subscribers. :idea: Kiplinger's appears to be one of the last financial magazines left with print copies.

Edited: Also received post card directly from Money Magazine today making the same announcement
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Broken Man 1999 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:36 pm

rich126 wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 11:27 am
I know some are sarcastically asking "what is a magazine?" but while not surprised to see it and many others go away it is somewhat sad. I grew up looking forward to reading the sports page (in the local newspaper), and other sports related magazines.

Other than once in a great while at the airport I rarely pick up magazines or newspapers. The prices of them seem incredibly high ($6+ for a few pages). And who has ever subscribed and let their subscription expire, recall the endless "reminders" to resubscribe. Kind of like electronic subscriptions that try to renew on an expired CC and tell you something is wrong, yet they "magically" find a way to get it renewed (this I find questionable).

Not surprising although a bit sad about it. (Just in general and not specific to Money.)
I kinda learned to read sitting in my father's lap as he read (and read to me) US News & World Report magazine. Back then kindergarten was not an option for me, but I was a good reader when I entered first grade.

Probably that is why I am such a wonk today. I subscribed to US News & World Report when I left home, and I was sad when they changed to their current format.

I prefer print magazines, as I can read them as I eat my bowl of oatmeal in the morning. The local fish wrapper in my area is abysmal, the only things I believe are correct are the sports scores.

Sad, sad state of affairs for journalism.

Broken Man 1999

ETA: I think Kiplinger's is a better magazine than Money, personally.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by socaldude » Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:47 pm

It was a shell of it's former self but, still sad. Memories of about 30 years reading it late (working retail, saving every penny) at night after work, and dreamimg of great investments and getting ahead. Both things happened. Thank You Money mag. (and Kiplinger's et. al.)

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by CardinalRule » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:58 am

I got the postcard from Money yesterday. I'm glad that my existing Kiplinger's subscription will be extended, as the postcard was not clear in this regard.
tomd37 wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:17 pm
Update to my previous post.

I also subscribe to Kiplinger's Personal Finance magazine and received the August 2019 issue in today's mail. It had a special mailing cover on it indicating that, as a subscriber to Money Magazine, arrangements have been made between Money and Kiplinger's for me to receive an extension to my Kiplinger's subscription period for the remaining portion of my print subscription to Money.

Subscribers to Money not having a subscription to Kiplinger's would receive Kiplinger's for the remaining portion of their Money subscription. Smart move on the part of Kiplinger's as they try to retain and get new print subscribers. :idea: Kiplinger's appears to be one of the last financial magazines left with print copies.

Edited: Also received post card directly from Money Magazine today making the same announcement

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by miles monroe » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:18 pm

i recieved the august kiplingers today and it shows the revised "last issue" date on the mailing label.

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by abuss368 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:48 pm

Broken Man 1999 wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:23 pm
Years ago as I was checking out at the website newegg.com a pop-up offered me 5 mags for $10 total. Money was one, Bloomberg Business was another. Over the years I would call to cancel, and I would be offered another year for $2.00.

Finally Money dropped my good deal, but my Business week subscription still renews at $2.00/year.

I always have received a postcard stating when my subscription would be renewed at the much much higher rate, but a call to an automated service would offer me $2.00/year.

Never been ripped off, never have been renewed at the higher rate.

But honestly, Money has been lame IMHO for a few years.

Broken Man 1999
$2.00 is a great subscription rate! Makes one wonder how these magazine empires survive let alone prosper.
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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by Broken Man 1999 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:57 pm

abuss368 wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:48 pm
Broken Man 1999 wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:23 pm
Years ago as I was checking out at the website newegg.com a pop-up offered me 5 mags for $10 total. Money was one, Bloomberg Business was another. Over the years I would call to cancel, and I would be offered another year for $2.00.

Finally Money dropped my good deal, but my Business week subscription still renews at $2.00/year.

I always have received a postcard stating when my subscription would be renewed at the much much higher rate, but a call to an automated service would offer me $2.00/year.

Never been ripped off, never have been renewed at the higher rate.

But honestly, Money has been lame IMHO for a few years.

Broken Man 1999
$2.00 is a great subscription rate! Makes one wonder how these magazine empires survive let alone prosper.
Probably a significant number of the cheap subscriptions go full price, and inertia might keep them as a full pay for a year or two.

As well, magazines need eyeballs to set advertising rates, so perhaps they are willing to trade a few cheap subscriptions for subscriber numbers.

I'll take them at $2.00 as long as I can. I will not pay more, though.

Broken Man 1999
“If I cannot drink Bourbon and smoke cigars in Heaven than I shall not go. " -Mark Twain

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Re: No more print Money magazine

Post by jbranx » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:24 pm

{I deleted an off-topic political comment.}

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