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Luxury car recommendations?

Post by AQ » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:20 pm

We're lifelong savers. With some luck we're doing relatively fine financially. So we'd like to live a bit more. In the past we usually buy a brand new Camry or like, and run for 10 years and repeat. Now we are wondering if we should try a Lexus or something similar?

Some background info: We are certainly not a car enthusiastic; when we had some extra money, besides saving for our retirements, we usually spent it on experiences (travels, etc.), help others (charity, extended family, etc.) or sometimes buy a bit higher quality clothing, etc. So we kind of look to buy a low end luxury car, with no specific criteria in mind, to experience it a bit. Hope you got the idea :D As you see, we are not in a rush to get anything; so if you know something on sale, or will be, that info is also appreciated.

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Post by helloeveryone » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:24 pm

AQ wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:20 pm
We're lifelong savers. With some luck we're doing relatively fine financially. So we'd like to live a bit more. In the past we usually buy a brand new Camry or like, and run for 10 years and repeat. Now we are wondering if we should try a Lexus or something similar?

Some background info: We are certainly not a car enthusiastic; when we had some extra money, besides saving for our retirements, we usually spent it on experiences (travels, etc.), help others (charity, extended family, etc.) or sometimes buy a bit higher quality clothing, etc. So we kind of look to buy a low end luxury car, with no specific criteria in mind, to experience it a bit. Hope you got the idea :D As you see, we are not in a rush to get anything; so if you know something on sale, or will be, that info is also appreciated.
Toyota Avalon would be living it up compared to Camry. If you really want to go nuts then maybe Lexus ES350.

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Post by jayk238 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:27 pm

helloeveryone wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:24 pm
AQ wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:20 pm
We're lifelong savers. With some luck we're doing relatively fine financially. So we'd like to live a bit more. In the past we usually buy a brand new Camry or like, and run for 10 years and repeat. Now we are wondering if we should try a Lexus or something similar?

Some background info: We are certainly not a car enthusiastic; when we had some extra money, besides saving for our retirements, we usually spent it on experiences (travels, etc.), help others (charity, extended family, etc.) or sometimes buy a bit higher quality clothing, etc. So we kind of look to buy a low end luxury car, with no specific criteria in mind, to experience it a bit. Hope you got the idea :D As you see, we are not in a rush to get anything; so if you know something on sale, or will be, that info is also appreciated.
Toyota Avalon would be living it up compared to Camry. If you really want to go nuts then maybe Lexus ES350.
Disagree unless this is tongue in cheek. Using your basic criteria an accord is living it vs the civic. Neither are truly luxury though.

My inlaws own an avalon 2019 w all the bells and whistled and it is by no means even an entry luxury. Its mediocre at best with poor noise insulation, mediocre handling, and miserable suspension. By comparison the subaru outback 3.6 touring which i drive is a mercedes benz.

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Post by GmanJeff » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:30 pm

The Lexus large LS sedans are remarkable luxury cars, although oriented more towards plushness than towards an engaging driving experience. BMW's 5 and 7 series, and Mercedes E and S class sedans offer a bit (or a lot, depending on trim level, and especially in the M and AMG variants, respectively) more sportiness, with all the amenities most drivers could want. Driving each of these vehicles, ideally for an extended period of time, may give you a better basis for deciding if they offer an experience you'd enjoy enough to pay the price of admission.

Luxury cars are bigger than more plebian alternatives, so parking them can be more challenging both at home and when out and about.

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Post by dbr » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:46 pm

I imagine you could find something appealing at a Lexus dealer looking at the ES/GS/IS/LS series in its different variations. You could be confident about quality and reliability as much as one can be confident about those things. Even those cars can have glitches including unpleasant infotainment systems. One has to shop carefully. A hazard in what you doing is that in seeking perfection and paying for it one may be disappointed.

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Post by Trader Joe » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:50 pm

AQ wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:20 pm
We're lifelong savers. With some luck we're doing relatively fine financially. So we'd like to live a bit more. In the past we usually buy a brand new Camry or like, and run for 10 years and repeat. Now we are wondering if we should try a Lexus or something similar?

Some background info: We are certainly not a car enthusiastic; when we had some extra money, besides saving for our retirements, we usually spent it on experiences (travels, etc.), help others (charity, extended family, etc.) or sometimes buy a bit higher quality clothing, etc. So we kind of look to buy a low end luxury car, with no specific criteria in mind, to experience it a bit. Hope you got the idea :D As you see, we are not in a rush to get anything; so if you know something on sale, or will be, that info is also appreciated.
https://www.toyota.com/corolla/

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Post by stan1 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:58 pm

AQ wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:20 pm
We're lifelong savers. With some luck we're doing relatively fine financially. So we'd like to live a bit more. In the past we usually buy a brand new Camry or like, and run for 10 years and repeat. Now we are wondering if we should try a Lexus or something similar?

Some background info: We are certainly not a car enthusiastic; when we had some extra money, besides saving for our retirements, we usually spent it on experiences (travels, etc.), help others (charity, extended family, etc.) or sometimes buy a bit higher quality clothing, etc. So we kind of look to buy a low end luxury car, with no specific criteria in mind, to experience it a bit. Hope you got the idea :D As you see, we are not in a rush to get anything; so if you know something on sale, or will be, that info is also appreciated.
Seems like you might be happy with a Camry XLE (or if you wanted better acceleration a Camry V6 XLE).

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Post by Goal33 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:00 pm

I like the Mercedes C Class
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Post by ASpenderInRecovery » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:03 pm

2018-2019 Audi A4, 2019 Genesis G80, 2019 Lexus GS. Last year I bought a 2018 Accord and test drove a ton of vehicles and did months of research some of which on entry level luxury sedans. The A4 was sleek, fast, highly rated by CR, and incredibly engaging to drive. My preference was to go Accord to avoid the expensive maintenance, premium gas, etc but the A4 was memorable.

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Post by stan1 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:08 pm

ASpenderInRecovery wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:03 pm
Last year I bought a 2018 Accord and test drove a ton of vehicles and did months of research some of which on entry level luxury sedans. The A4 was sleek, fast, highly rated by CR, and incredibly engaging to drive. My preference was to go Accord to avoid the expensive maintenance, premium gas, etc but the A4 was memorable.
I bought a 2018 2.0L Accord. I drove an A4 and a BMW 330, also, but likewise decided the Accord 2.0 was 80% there for half the cost. I am never fooled into thinking I'm actually driving an A4 or 330 (we've had both) but I've had no regrets. However I don't think this is what OP is looking for.

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Post by delamer » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:11 pm

Consider a 2 to 3 year-old luxury vehicle that has come off lease. You’ll get a really nice vehicle and pay less than for a current year’s model.

If there is a CarMax near you, you can check out several nameplates with minimal sales pressure.

And if you previously have owned Toyota and/or Honda, then Lexus and/or Acura are good options. Having said that, Audis are really nice vehicles.

Be prepared for higher maintenance, repair, fuel, and insurance costs — on average — with a luxury brand. The initial price is not the only hit to your wallet.

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Post by adamthesmythe » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:14 pm

Try first to settle on a size/ type of car. Then visit dealerships (and try test drives) for a few different kinds of cars:

- Lexus (better Toyota)
- corresponding better current Toyota model
- a German car
- maybe an American, just for fun.

Each time you drive, think about what you like/ don't like and think about the cost to get there.

Several years back I drove a BMW 3 series. It was nice, but not enough nice to buy over a Toyota. I remember thinking...yeah, this has leather...but it sure feels the same as vinyl.

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Post by randomguy » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:15 pm

GmanJeff wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:30 pm
The Lexus large LS sedans are remarkable luxury cars, although oriented more towards plushness than towards an engaging driving experience. BMW's 5 and 7 series, and Mercedes E and S class sedans offer a bit (or a lot, depending on trim level, and especially in the M and AMG variants, respectively) more sportiness, with all the amenities most drivers could want. Driving each of these vehicles, ideally for an extended period of time, may give you a better basis for deciding if they offer an experience you'd enjoy enough to pay the price of admission.

Luxury cars are bigger than more plebian alternatives, so parking them can be more challenging both at home and when out and about.
A modern luxury car parks itself:) They also come in all sizes.

When thinking about a more expensive car, think about what is more important to you
a) Comfortable ride
b) Sportiness

If all you want is A, things like the ES are pretty awesome. People will talk about how it is just a tarted up Avalon and how a true luxury car isn't FWD and so on. Who care. It is a very comfortable way to get from A to B. Want B? Then we can talk about all sorts of AMG, M series, and so. Want a mixture? Lots out there. You need to decide where you want to be on each level.

If you have been happy being a camry owner, get an ES. No it isn't the most luxurious or sporty car out there. What it is though is a noticeably better Camry. Get some 3 year old version for under 30k and enjoy it for the next 10 years before repeating.

But you should ask yourself what you are hoping to get out. Modern accords (haven't been in the new camry) are really nice cars in the upper trims. Do you really want something sportier (new accord goes from 0-60 in <6s) or more luxury (the new accord is pretty darn quiet) or do you just want a symbol. Knowing what you want really helps you pick what to buy.

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Post by dbr » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:19 pm

adamthesmythe wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:14 pm
Try first to settle on a size/ type of car. Then visit dealerships (and try test drives) for a few different kinds of cars:

- Lexus (better Toyota)
- corresponding better current Toyota model
- a German car
- maybe an American, just for fun.

Each time you drive, think about what you like/ don't like and think about the cost to get there.

Several years back I drove a BMW 3 series. It was nice, but not enough nice to buy over a Toyota. I remember thinking...yeah, this has leather...but it sure feels the same as vinyl.
Right. One thing for sure a person should be sure what they are getting really is "luxury" to them or it makes no sense. That is only possible by trying out different options and deciding. Heck, some of the "luxury" convenience features in my car are regarded by my wife as instruments of the devil. I, in continuation of this mode, have no interest in Bluetooth connectivity and my kids think I am nuts. There are people around who probably regard manual transmissions as luxury now days.

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Post by Cyclesafe » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:54 pm

It's perfectly understandable that when one can afford it one starts coveting something "better". If one has been happy with a Toyota, buying Lexus makes sense. A gently used Lexus, as was with a gently used Toyota, is often a better deal than buying new.

I would caution however, that opening up further, say to buy even a lower-end Audi, BMW, or Mercedes, opens one up to a multidimensional barrage of multi-decade emotion tugging from these companies' marketing departments, where financial value takes a back seat as it were. If one is fine with this, then welcome to the dark side.

I have owned four Lexuses. They have been extremely reliable and cheap to maintain if given over to a Japanese car independent specialist. My last one (an RX) is almost 19 years old and still looks new. But it does ride like a boat - like the American cars of yore. If this doesn't trouble the driver, then go no further. It is plenty quick enough when the pedal is pressed to the floor. At 80-90 it feels squirrelly, so if one doesn't plan to pass a truck on a two lane road and one is satisfied with letting other drivers otherwise set the pace, again, go no further.

Also, none of my Lexuses have been keyed or been broken into. They blend in enough to not attract envy. My Porsche, on the other hand, in the past four years has been keyed twice and broken into once. In the Lexus nobody has yelled invective (for example, "Must be great to afford anything you want", accompanied with the one-finger wave) or compared my car to a porcupine.

My next car will be a Lexus NX, or if DW continues to absolutely hate the Lexus grill, a BMW X1. Scratched the itch with the P car.

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Post by Grantley » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:58 pm

"Be prepared for higher maintenance, repair, fuel, and insurance costs — on average — with a luxury brand. The initial price is not the only hit to your wallet."


This is an important point to consider.

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Post by ResearchMed » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:58 pm

dbr wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:19 pm
adamthesmythe wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:14 pm
Try first to settle on a size/ type of car. Then visit dealerships (and try test drives) for a few different kinds of cars:

- Lexus (better Toyota)
- corresponding better current Toyota model
- a German car
- maybe an American, just for fun.

Each time you drive, think about what you like/ don't like and think about the cost to get there.

Several years back I drove a BMW 3 series. It was nice, but not enough nice to buy over a Toyota. I remember thinking...yeah, this has leather...but it sure feels the same as vinyl.
Right. One thing for sure a person should be sure what they are getting really is "luxury" to them or it makes no sense. That is only possible by trying out different options and deciding. Heck, some of the "luxury" convenience features in my car are regarded by my wife as instruments of the devil. I, in continuation of this mode, have no interest in Bluetooth connectivity and my kids think I am nuts. There are people around who probably regard manual transmissions as luxury now days.
This ^^

Test drive a few rather different choices, among cars in your preferred price range, and perhaps of those "luxury cars" you've though about in the past.
As mentioned, "luxury car" could be a tarted up Camry or Avalon, a mid level Mercedes, or a top of line Mercedes (6 figures, probably). And then there is Bentley, for true luxe :twisted: But you won't want to take that out in public, lest someone scratch it, etc....

A recent used car with 'most of' the current features will probably save a lot, but make sure you've got a good warranty, to minimize the risk of buying someone else's lemon.

Upscale Volvo's are pretty impressive these days, and in some models, the seats are especially comfortable. But that might not be what you had in mind.

And if you want the "comfort" of driving your favorite sofa/easy chair down the street, there are always choices like top Lincolns/etc.

We don't know your price point, or what you have considered "luxury car".

Enjoy the test drives.
If you are not enjoying those, then you aren't looking for what YOU consider "luxury car". :happy

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Post by PoppyA » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:03 pm

Chevy Corvette.

Very comfortable, a dream to drive. Inexpensive to fix if you travel and need a repair.
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Post by Trism » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:08 pm

AQ wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:20 pm
low end luxury car, with no specific criteria in mind
Proposed/estimated budget would be helpful. New? Buy or lease?

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Post by bluebolt » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:21 pm

I would also add Tesla to the list to test drive. While not for everyone, some owners say it's the best car they've ever driven.

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Post by AQ » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:38 pm

Thanks much for your responses so far! Let me clarify a few common questions.

It may sound crazy but I'm considering to spend a bit more on cars because I'm fortunate in a position to be able to, not because I really care about cars :-) So I'm looking for some amenity like leather seats, quieter runs, comfort, instead of spottiness, etc. I'm inclined to buy a brand new and run 10 years like before (so minimize the chance to get a lemon car and worry about repairs, etc.). I have been paying under 30K for new cars, so I think under 40K would be a decent move-up, but can go for under 50K (don't laugh if I'm totally ignorant of a luxury car price). The rumor has it German cars have steep maintenance costs; and I'm certainly not going to spend six-figure on a car yet..

Is there any seasonality in car prices? For example, dealerships usually have sales during holidays, is one holiday, say July 4th, better than another, say Labor day?

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Post by bluebolt » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:43 pm

AQ wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:38 pm
Thanks much for your responses so far! Let me clarify a few common questions.

It may sound crazy but I'm considering to spend a bit more on cars because I'm fortunate in a position to be able to, not because I really care about cars :-) So I'm looking for some amenity like leather seats, quieter runs, comfort, instead of spottiness, etc. I'm inclined to buy a brand new and run 10 years like before (so minimize the chance to get a lemon car and worry about repairs, etc.). I have been paying under 30K for new cars, so I think under 40K would be a decent move-up, but can go for under 50K (don't laugh if I'm totally ignorant of a luxury car price). The rumor has it German cars have steep maintenance costs; and I'm certainly not going to spend six-figure on a car yet..

Is there any seasonality in car prices? For example, dealerships usually have sales during holidays, is one holiday, say July 4th, better than another, say Labor day?
Auto prices are regional, impacted by demand/supply and promotions, so it's a little tough to give a general response.

I was in a similar situation to you a couple years ago and I'm really enjoying the upgrade to a car with more performance, better ride, quieter interior and modern safety/technology. I plan to drive it for 6-10 years, so the difference in cost amortized over that time isn't that great.

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Post by Leemiller » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:49 pm

Mercedes E Class 2-3 years old fits your criteria. Ours have had a V6 engine, which makes them a pleasure to drive (and I’m a boring driver). A convertible is my daily driver, and I really enjoy it for many months out of the year. Before this we drove a 20 year old Honda, and I’m so glad we upgraded. Completely worth it.

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Post by BJJ nerd » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:49 pm

I'd check out Lexus ES350 if you're looking for a sedan. I just got one for my wife and she loves it. Nowhere as fun to drive as my 340i (BMW) but noticeably more luxurious and comfortable.

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Post by Winston19 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:53 pm

Take a look at the Genesis G80. I haven't driven one but they have great reviews.

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Post by ohai » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:46 pm

AQ wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:38 pm

Is there any seasonality in car prices? For example, dealerships usually have sales during holidays, is one holiday, say July 4th, better than another, say Labor day?
Cars get discounted when a new model generation is coming up, or when there is leftover at the end of the year. When the 2020 version is coming out, dealers will try to clear the 2019 models from their lots. Also, luxury car prices are sensitive to economic conditions. In a downturn, all these expensive cars will be discounted.

I don't know if something like July 4th sale means anything. You should look at the prices of the cars on TrueCar to see if they are really discounted or it it's just a sales tactic.

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Post by graeme » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:52 pm

BJJ nerd wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:49 pm
I'd check out Lexus ES350 if you're looking for a sedan. I just got one for my wife and she loves it. Nowhere as fun to drive as my 340i (BMW) but noticeably more luxurious and comfortable.
When I was looking for high reliability and luxury, it came down to Toyota Avalon or Lexus ES350. After test driving both, either one seemed fine with the Lexus feeling just slightly higher in quality.

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Post by Kenkat » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:55 pm

The logical step up from a Camry is a Lexus ES. Especially so if you are not, as you said, a car enthusiast but just looking for something more luxurious. Comfortable, reliable, good power and enough brand appeal to say “hey, we’re doing pretty well here”. It’s not the car to go blasting down the back roads, taking your breath away when you stomp the gas, or turn heads at the country club but that’s not what you are really looking for based on what you’ve described. You should be able to get something new in the low 40’s.

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Post by Noble Knight » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:33 pm

I recently upgraded from a 2010 Toyota Camry SE to a 2019 Lexus GS 350 F Sport AWD and the difference is night and day. It’s like I’m driving for the first time. It feels like I’m driving a race car, yet it’s very comfortable inside, well insulated and when I hit a bump during my commute I barely feel it compared to the Camry.

I skipped the ES because it didn’t have AWD and I really wanted it for driving in the snow.

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Post by randomguy » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:50 pm

AQ wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:38 pm
Thanks much for your responses so far! Let me clarify a few common questions.

It may sound crazy but I'm considering to spend a bit more on cars because I'm fortunate in a position to be able to, not because I really care about cars :-) So I'm looking for some amenity like leather seats, quieter runs, comfort, instead of spottiness, etc. I'm inclined to buy a brand new and run 10 years like before (so minimize the chance to get a lemon car and worry about repairs, etc.). I have been paying under 30K for new cars, so I think under 40K would be a decent move-up, but can go for under 50K (don't laugh if I'm totally ignorant of a luxury car price). The rumor has it German cars have steep maintenance costs; and I'm certainly not going to spend six-figure on a car yet..

Is there any seasonality in car prices? For example, dealerships usually have sales during holidays, is one holiday, say July 4th, better than another, say Labor day?
Go drive a Lexus ES and decide if it checks all your boxes. Manufactures add different incentives throughout the year but I have found most of the sales to be relatively small (500-1000 bucks) with the big discounts coming when the next model year shows up.

The limit on luxury is unlimited. Go drive a LS and the ES feels a bit cheap. Drive a bently and you can say the same about the LS. Do the small upgrade and figure out if paying 15k or so more makes you happier. At 40k, I think you pretty much have to go used. At 50k, you have a bunch of new options.

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Post by delamer » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:45 pm

Leemiller wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:49 pm
Mercedes E Class 2-3 years old fits your criteria. Ours have had a V6 engine, which makes them a pleasure to drive (and I’m a boring driver). A convertible is my daily driver, and I really enjoy it for many months out of the year. Before this we drove a 20 year old Honda, and I’m so glad we upgraded. Completely worth it.
I agree regarding the E class, definitely a luxurious car.

Although you won’t be able to buy new in your price range.

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Post by ssquared87 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:08 pm

Noble Knight wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:33 pm
I recently upgraded from a 2010 Toyota Camry SE to a 2019 Lexus GS 350 F Sport AWD and the difference is night and day. It’s like I’m driving for the first time. It feels like I’m driving a race car, yet it’s very comfortable inside, well insulated and when I hit a bump during my commute I barely feel it compared to the Camry.

I skipped the ES because it didn’t have AWD and I really wanted it for driving in the snow.
Going from a FWD Camry to an IS or a GS as you did is a huge step up since the IS and GS are based on properly engineered RWD platforms. I think you get the best bang for your buck going for a GS.

The Lexus ES is really just a high trim level Camry. Basically a Camry with leather and some extra options. The GS keeps the Toyota/Lexus reliability and everything that’s good about the ES and adds better driving dynamics while still being luxurious and comfortable and pricing is a bit more but still can be had under $50k

OP, since you’re happy with Toyota and you’re really just looking for comfort, leather, etc, the ES will suit you fine, but the GS will drive a lot better and you will feel it is a bigger upgrade over the Camry than the ES

Some other options you may wish to consider are a new Genesis G80 or a 2-3 year old Mercedes e class. A 2017 or later BMW 540i would also fit what you’re looking for but steer clear of the m-sport package as it may be too sporty for you, the base suspension will be more luxurious. Of all the cars I mentioned, the 5 is the quietest, smoothest, has the best interior build quality and drives the best but it’s the most expensive. You can find a CPO 2017/2018 well equipped for about $45k. The e class interior is stylish but some of the materials and build quality aren’t quite as good as the BMW, but it drives very well. If you get either the BMW or Mercedes look for one with multi-contour massage seats...they are the most comfortable seats, better than Volvo who used to have the best seats.

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Post by mighty72 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:50 pm

No one mentioned Acura TL yet. It is not as expensive as Lexus and not as luxurious. However, it is a solid car, very comfortable to drive, reliable and low road noise. It comes standard with leather seats. I would definitely test drive one. I have had a TL and now have a Camry. Acura was way more comfortable and easier to drive.
I switched because my commute tripled and Camry hybrid gave twice mileage per gallon

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Post by randomguy » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:55 pm

mighty72 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:50 pm
No one mentioned Acura TL yet. It is not as expensive as Lexus and not as luxurious. However, it is a solid car, very comfortable to drive, reliable and low road noise. It comes standard with leather seats. I would definitely test drive one. I have had a TL and now have a Camry. Acura was way more comfortable and easier to drive.
I switched because my commute tripled and Camry hybrid gave twice mileage per gallon

TL was discontinued several years back. The TLX is a quasi replacement. It is cheaper than the Lexus but most people consider less of a luxury car and it had some transmission issues. Still a relatively nice car especially when coming from Camry’s.

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Post by HEDGEFUNDIE » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:09 am

Recommend you consider a German CPO. I bought a 2015 BMW 5 series in 2017 for only $35k. Still runs great 20k miles later. All maintenance still covered.

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Post by rgs92 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:12 am

2013-2017 pre-owned (preferably CPO) Lexus LS. Lots of them on sale now at bargain prices. Drives/rides like a dream w/Camry reliability.

I would get a CPO w/Lexus extended warranty (good for 7 years from the time you buy it and it's a full extension of the new car warranty; best warranty in the business; unlimited mileage!; better than the new car warranty even though it makes no sense, but it's true).

You'll need the warranty later on in high-mileage days when the control arms need to be replaced (and there are 8 of them, but they are worth it).

This vintage is better than the new one which gets by with a V6 and is more confined inside.

The ES is OK, the GS is better, but the LS is in a class by itself, and the last generation may be the end of an era for this great revered car dating back to 1989. Snatch one with low mileage while you still can.

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Post by longleaf » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:16 am

“Sportiness” is more than just acceleration. As you’re coming from cheaper cars, I’d highly recommend putting some highway miles on a sports car...

Luxury under six figures = cadillac
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Post by thirdman » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:39 am

Consider a Tesla Model 3, about $45,000 well equipped, or a used Model S, about the same. You will have to put a charger in your garage. I drove the Model 3 a few weeks ago. It has instant acceleration and very good steering. A little more road noise than I liked. Very comfortable, but no leather.

Tesla’s website has used Model S’s. I have not driven the car, but I have ridden in them. They are very quiet, and have leather interiors. They are a relatively large and wide car. They have an optional air suspension that gives an exceptional ride. If I was in the market for a new car I would buy a Tesla. If you do not have a Tesla store near you it makes it difficult to test drive the cars, unless you know someone who owns one.

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Post by spitty » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:28 am

If you're spending up to $50k, treat yourself and buy new. I sat in a Genesis G80 recently and it was very posh; didn't drive it though. It was low $40s.
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Post by sunny_socal » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:00 am

OP just get a CPO Lexus if you're accustomed to driving a Toyota:
- You can still have it serviced at a Toyota dealer and save a ton on maintenance
- Nicer interior
- Quieter

German cars feel great but if you're a "lifelong saver" the maintenance could come as a shock.

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Post by dsmclone » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:42 am

The sweet spot for me has always been a 3-4 year old mid or large size luxury model. They lose a ton of value over the first 3 years compared to the smaller luxury models, which usually are just step above a Toyota Camry in luxury.

For example, In 2015 I bought a 2012 Infinti M56. It has Infinti Certified, had less than 30k miles, had a 420hp V8, had a list of options so long that it would take a week to figure them all out. I mean it had a setting called "forest breeze" that tunes the climate system to make the breeze enjoyable. I did a few 600+ miles day long road trips in it and it was amazing. The original sticker was just north of $80k and I bought it for $35k. I also owned an Infiniti G35 that was nice but the true luxury is in these bigger sedans. Others that I would look at are the big engine 5 series BMW's, Lexus GS models, Mercedes E class, Audi S6, etc. I'd love to consider a MB S class but when something goes wrong with the S class, it can really go wrong and expensive. It's amazing time when you can buy a 12 second luxury barge at these bargain rates.

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Post by Nowizard » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:10 am

Genesis from Hyundai hits the sweet spot between luxury and price for many. One consideration when moving into luxury is whether you also want to pay for premium gasoline. "Luxury" is in the mind of the beholder, frequently. For example, one poster commented that the Outback was luxurious in comparison to another vehicle. others to Accords. Reviews do support that the Outback and Accords are great automobiles, focusing on reliability, safety, resale, etc.

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Post by midareff » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:40 am

I retired with a 7 or 8 year old pretty basic Jeep Liberty that was starting to have "issues" at near 80K miles. I ordered a new C350 Mercedes pretty loaded up and it was so sweet, and the market did so well I replaced it with an AMG Mercedes 5 years later. Since there isn't work commute and we fly when we travel it just goes to the grocery, mall and doctors.. 3000 to 4000 miles annually, so I may keep this one longer. If the market keeps going up making me more Monopoly money who knows. Depending on the size you like a C or E series Benz is a fine automobile and certainly worth a test drive.

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Post by mrspock » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:14 pm

IMO you aren’t missing anything. I had a Benz for many years and it was honestly the worst car I’ve ever had. Within a week you will tire of the do-dads and nick-knacks (which all cost a fortune to fix). Buy a Volkswagen to get some higher build quality without the gimmicks and be done IMO.

I would also caution you in that luxury cars are hard to keep for 8 or 10 years unless you are ok with various things breaking and just leaving them for dead. It’s pretty difficult/draining to keep up with all the repairs after a while.

TLDR... stick with MASS produced (non-luxury) cars where their reliability incentives are aligned with yours.

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Post by Blueskies123 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:20 pm

thirdman wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:39 am
Consider a Tesla Model 3, about $45,000 well equipped, or a used Model S, about the same. You will have to put a charger in your garage. I drove the Model 3 a few weeks ago. It has instant acceleration and very good steering. A little more road noise than I liked. Very comfortable, but no leather.

Tesla’s website has used Model S’s. I have not driven the car, but I have ridden in them. They are very quiet, and have leather interiors. They are a relatively large and wide car. They have an optional air suspension that gives an exceptional ride. If I was in the market for a new car I would buy a Tesla. If you do not have a Tesla store near you it makes it difficult to test drive the cars, unless you know someone who owns one.
I would love to get one but it is closer to $60K with full autopilot, nav, and excluding fuel savings. Then, of course, you will probably want a 220V charger.

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Post by stoptothink » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:22 pm

mrspock wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:14 pm
IMO you aren’t missing anything.
+1. Unless you are a "car person" why would you upgrade? Any specific complaints about the cars you have driven to date? Sounds like you are considering it just because you can. Since OP isn't into cars, that extra $10k, $20k, $30k can probably be spent a lot more efficiently on things that would directly improve quality of life.

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Post by WhiteMaxima » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:32 pm

A used Lexus LS. Find a used one with low mileage from an old man or lady. Need a more sporty feeling, get a set of low-profile rim and performace tire and you're ready to go. German luxury is good but too unreliable and expensive to repair. You can lease a new one but never buy it (that include MB, BMW, LR).

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Post by emoore » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:49 pm

AQ wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:20 pm
We're lifelong savers. With some luck we're doing relatively fine financially. So we'd like to live a bit more. In the past we usually buy a brand new Camry or like, and run for 10 years and repeat. Now we are wondering if we should try a Lexus or something similar?

Some background info: We are certainly not a car enthusiastic; when we had some extra money, besides saving for our retirements, we usually spent it on experiences (travels, etc.), help others (charity, extended family, etc.) or sometimes buy a bit higher quality clothing, etc. So we kind of look to buy a low end luxury car, with no specific criteria in mind, to experience it a bit. Hope you got the idea :D As you see, we are not in a rush to get anything; so if you know something on sale, or will be, that info is also appreciated.
My recommendation would be to hold out for an electric car. Does't have to be a Tesla but Audi, BMW, Mercedes, etc are all coming out with EVs in the next few years. Since you are looking at keeping the car 10+ years, I think the auto market will look very different by then. Just something to consider.

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Post by GaryA505 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:51 pm

Goal33 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:00 pm
I like the Mercedes C Class
One of my friends has a Mercedes C63 AMG. Now that's a car!

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Post by randomguy » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:51 pm

mrspock wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:14 pm
IMO you aren’t missing anything. I had a Benz for many years and it was honestly the worst car I’ve ever had. Within a week you will tire of the do-dads and nick-knacks (which all cost a fortune to fix). Buy a Volkswagen to get some higher build quality without the gimmicks and be done IMO.

I would also caution you in that luxury cars are hard to keep for 8 or 10 years unless you are ok with various things breaking and just leaving them for dead. It’s pretty difficult/draining to keep up with all the repairs after a while.

TLDR... stick with MASS produced (non-luxury) cars where their reliability incentives are aligned with yours.
That is more of a Mercedes experience than a luxury car one.

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