About to buy a 2019 Mazda CX-5. To turbo or not to turbo...

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About to buy a 2019 Mazda CX-5. To turbo or not to turbo...

Post by Bob Sacamano » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:56 am

this is for my wife who does not care at all about cars.

definitely looking into the GT trim level and contemplating the Premium Package which adds some extra creature comforts and safety features.

the real question is do i want the turbo. any car guys here? i am wary of turbos due to the increased strain on the engine and the need for a careful eye in regards to maintenance.

that said, i have heard that the n/a models are somewhat sluggish.

anyone care to weigh in?

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Post by lazydavid » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:50 am

This isn't the 1980s anymore, turbo engines are quite reliable and are in nearly every class of vehicle at this point. The only engine I would avoid today because of its turbo-ness is the new variable-displacement turbo that Infiniti just launched. I would let that one bake for a bit. There are others I'd avoid for other reasons (like the 1.5L Honda in the CRV), but the Mazda should be quite reliable.

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Post by michaeljc70 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:05 am

I have a 2015 CX-5 that has the 2.5L engine and it is perfectly fine. It is plenty fast for what it is (a crossover). I believe the hp on the 2.5L has only changed a couple from 2015 to 2019. Given your description of your wife, I believe the turbo would be unnecessary. The 2.0L on prior models was wimpy.

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Post by GulfCoast » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:06 am

Looking at the CX-5 model lineup you have to get the Grand Touring Reserve for the Turbo and that comes standard. So I guess your choice would be to get the Grand Touring (without the turbo), or the GT Reserve or Signature (both comes with the standard Turbo). I would probably go with the Turbo as the extra power is always nice, and you can still use the lower grade gasoline (albeing with reduced power).

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Post by bubbadog » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:13 am

If she drives both back to back, I suspect she will want the turbo version. Even non car people appreciate the low end torque of the turbo.

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Post by pochax » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:14 am

2016 CX-5 owner here (so non-turbo). you will want to get the turbo especially if you are look at the GT trim anyways. it will provide a good deal more torque and passing power than the base engine. i don't even care that much about engines but my wife who also is not a car-person keeps telling me our car is underpowered. she drives the CX-9 so she has the turbo and appreciates it. in a smaller lighter CX-5, the turbo will make even more of a difference. get the turbo!

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Post by Bob Sacamano » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:43 am

running the numbers right now on a GT with PP vs. GT-R.

will report back shortly.

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Post by ladders11 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:47 am

I have driven the non-turbo, it handles and accelerates better than anything in this class and price range (rav-4, crv, sportage, escape, etc). I guess there are always people with a luxury background, or who are unable to put their foot down quickly, that may perceive it to be underpowered, but it is simply not true.

That said as a car guy I would get the turbo. A non car person should save their money.

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Post by batpot » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:11 am

You'll need to run higher octane in a turbo engine.

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Post by researcher » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:12 am

batpot wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:11 am
You'll need to run higher octane in a turbo engine.
This is wrong.

The CX-5 can run on regular unleaded.

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Post by Tommy » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:24 am

My problems with turbo are:
Less reliable - by 100K turbo usually has some issues
Less durable - saw a lot of engines with 200K millage. Never seen turbo with this millage.
Oil burning (don't know Mazda but VW has this problem)

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Post by smitcat » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:26 am

Tommy wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:24 am
My problems with turbo are:
Less reliable - by 100K turbo usually has some issues
Less durable - saw a lot of engines with 200K millage. Never seen turbo with this millage.
Oil burning (don't know Mazda but VW has this problem)
None of which have been reported with the Mazda.

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Post by freckles01 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:07 pm

a family member bought a used mazda cx-7 with turbo- it was 3-4 years old and had less than 40 thousand miles with all the extras.

the turbo exploded while driving on the freeway, had to get it towed and repaired/replaced for thousands of dollars.

this model isn't made anymore. it was a known issue with mazda but not covered and had to be paid out of pocket.

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Post by batpot » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:09 pm

researcher wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:12 am
batpot wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:11 am
You'll need to run higher octane in a turbo engine.
This is wrong.

The CX-5 can run on regular unleaded.
Surprising. Usually need higher octane for the higher compression ratio.

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Post by smitcat » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:11 pm

freckles01 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:07 pm
a family member bought a used mazda cx-7 with turbo- it was 3-4 years old and had less than 40 thousand miles with all the extras.

the turbo exploded while driving on the freeway, had to get it towed and repaired/replaced for thousands of dollars.

this model isn't made anymore. it was a known issue with mazda but not covered and had to be paid out of pocket.
Please post a link to these know issues - we have one member of our staff who owns a CX7 parked right outside my desk here.

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Post by ThankYouJack » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:13 pm

It's a personal decision so I would test drive both back to back and then decide.

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Post by msi » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:17 pm

The naturally aspirated engine's performance is on par with others in its class. It's only sluggish in the sense that most other compact SUVs are, too. She really needs to test drive it to see if it's enough for her because it's silly to spend the extra money otherwise.

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Post by mega317 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:22 pm

I have a 2016. The first time I really tried to go (difficult merge onto a freeway or something) I was surprised to find that my foot was all the way down. That never happened in my previous car, and has happened a few times since. It's a minor annoyance, up there with sometimes bluetooth doesn't connect and sometimes I need to restart my router for no apparent reason. I can't fathom spending one extra dollar for "passing power" there is no reason I need to go from 65 to 75 in 2 seconds instead of 4. Maybe I drive too conservatively.

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Post by randomguy » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:27 pm

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:43 am
running the numbers right now on a GT with PP vs. GT-R.

will report back shortly.
It was about a 3k difference to get the turbo(~2k higher msrp. Less of a discount at the time) and your MPG will be 10% lower. You go from an adequate daily driving car to something that most non serious drivers would call quick. You definitely don’t need it, but you might enjoy it. It is easy to keep buying more car cause it is only 2k more. You start with a 26k toouring model and end up with a 38k signature cause each step along the way is only 2k😄

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Post by iamlucky13 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:56 pm

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:56 am
this is for my wife who does not care at all about cars.
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that said, i have heard that the n/a models are somewhat sluggish.
Sluggish is a subjective perception. People used to driving cars with the higher performance engines always review standard engine options as sluggish.

They're not the ones who will be driving this car. Your wife is. She should test drive it. Note also as someone else pointed out, that if she drives the turbo, she will almost certainly prefer the turbo at the time of purchasing, but that does not mean she will be unsatisfied long term with the standard option.

As starter info, however, the Grand Touring CX-5 has roughly 102 hp/ton. That is pretty much exactly typical for most vehicles these days, and probably about 10% higher than what was typical a decade ago.

0-60 was reported by Motor Trend as 8.3 seconds. Again, very typical these days, but that was entry level sports car performance 20 years ago or so. They got 6.4 seconds on the turbo, if using premium fuel - like many modern turbocharged engines, it automatically adjusts to non-premium fuel to avoid problems, reducing by about 1/3 of the horsepower advantage the turbo has on premium fuel over the standard. That should put the 0-60 on 87 octane right around 7 seconds.

Also, my brief experience with Mazda's has been they configure the throttle pedal with relatively short throw, and a steep relationship to throttle setting. This makes the car seem more responsive by creating an unconscious tendency to drive the car harder (also harder to control power in the snow). Very different from our Outback, which has a laid back throttle response, yet similar power/weight, making it feel more sluggish.

I would not worry about turbo-charged cars being maintenance queens these days. The open question that remains to be answered is how their reliability will be late in life.

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Post by iamlucky13 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:10 pm

batpot wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:09 pm
Surprising. Usually need higher octane for the higher compression ratio.
It has become common with the latest turbo-charged engines to derate the engine automatically when not running higher octane fuels. This allows them to run safely on 87 octane. I think that was a technique enabled by the electronic throttles most engines seem to use now, but others here probably know more.
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:26 am
None of which have been reported with the Mazda.
As far as I know, the Mazda 2.5L Turbo was introduced in 2016, for the CX-9 only until it was added as an option for the CX-5 this year. There are likely very few of these engines with 100,000+ miles on them so far.

One could probably check Consumer Reports reliability data for the Ford Escape as a proxy for a turbocharged engine used in a similar application. From a quick skim, it appears to me the rate of issues specifically with the turbo is reasonably low.

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Post by pochax » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:19 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:10 pm
As far as I know, the Mazda 2.5L Turbo was introduced in 2016, for the CX-9 only until it was added as an option for the CX-5 this year. There are likely very few of these engines with 100,000+ miles on them so far.
True. introduced in 2016 in the CX-9 and subsequently in the Mazda6 sedan. the CX5 is the 3rd vehicle to receive it in the Mazda lineup. our CX9 has it and we have ~50k miles on it without incident or issue although we maintain religiously to the owner manual schedule.
iamlucky13 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:10 pm
One could probably check Consumer Reports reliability data for the Ford Escape as a proxy for a turbocharged engine used in a similar application. From a quick skim, it appears to me the rate of issues specifically with the turbo is reasonably low.
Ford and Mazda broke up their partnership back in early 2010s so this turbo has nothing to do with Ford engines and it was developed in-house by Mazda alone. not sure it is reasonable to associate with the Ford Escape.

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Post by iamlucky13 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:28 pm

pochax wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:19 pm
iamlucky13 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:10 pm
One could probably check Consumer Reports reliability data for the Ford Escape as a proxy for a turbocharged engine used in a similar application. From a quick skim, it appears to me the rate of issues specifically with the turbo is reasonably low.
Ford and Mazda broke up their partnership back in early 2010s so this turbo has nothing to do with Ford engines and it was developed in-house by Mazda alone. not sure it is reasonable to associate with the Ford Escape.
I mention the Ford Ecoboost only as a general proxy from which to verify it is at least reasonable to expect a modern, low-to-moderate boost, turbocharged engine in high-volume production is capable of 100,000+ miles of reliable service. It doesn't directly inform us how the Mazda will do, but it does help re-assure that turbocharged engines can be made reliable even with the extra moving parts exposed to exhaust gases and higher cylinder pressures.

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Post by rxtra8 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:55 pm

I own a Mazda turbo car, a 2008 Speed3, with the 2.3L turbo motor (I am the original owner). I have 96K miles on the car with zero issues with the engine or turbo; still just as strong as it was new. While this is not the same motor as the CX5, it does speak to the 100K reliability of the Mazda turbo engine. I would hope in the last 11 years Mazda would have improved on the previous design.

If I was in the market for a CX5, and we may be after my wife retires (for her, not me as I still really like my Speed3), I would have no qualms about opting for the turbo motor in the CX5. And FYI, the power drop for not using premium fuel, is from 250hp to 227hp; a 10% drop or so. The standard motor is approximately mid-pack for same size SUV and is adequate but I would still buy the turbo motor.
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Post by Bob Sacamano » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:03 pm

here's a price breakdown for an AWD CX-5 GT with Premium Package:

Selling Price: $30,299
Tax: $2,689.80
DMV Fee: $400
Doc Fee: $369 (what the?!)
Window Etching: $199 (what the?!)
TOTAL: $33,957
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Post by KyleAAA » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:05 pm

That particular turbo is a lot of fun. The n/a is good, though.

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Post by randomguy » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:13 pm

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:03 pm
here's a price breakdown for a CX-5 GT with Premium Package:

Selling Price: $30,299
Tax: $2,689.80
DMV Fee: $400
Doc Fee: $369 (what the?!)
Window Etching: $199 (what the?!)
TOTAL: $33,957
What a low doc fee😄 Doc fees are crap but they are hard to waive. Just add them to the selling price. Window etching on the other hand is a total scam. Your selling price is a couple hundred more than what i was quoted back in March. My guy had a 599 dealer fee.

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Post by dreamrrr » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:21 pm

I purchased the 2019 CX-5 Signature model with the 2.5L turbo engine in January. I am very happy with this car. I've driven in snow in the rocky mountains in combined city and highway driving and am getting decent gas milage so far. You can run it with regular or premium fuel, your choice. It handles very nicely. Has a lot of safety features. The acceleration from the turbo engine is really good which comes in handy when entering the interstate or passing slower cars. I don't buy cars very often and tend to keep them for 18 to 20 years so I didn't mind paying the extra amount to get all the features they offered.

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Post by Bob Sacamano » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:38 pm

randomguy wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:13 pm
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:03 pm
here's a price breakdown for a CX-5 GT with Premium Package:

Selling Price: $30,299
Tax: $2,689.80
DMV Fee: $400
Doc Fee: $369 (what the?!)
Window Etching: $199 (what the?!)
TOTAL: $33,957
What a low doc fee😄 Doc fees are crap but they are hard to waive. Just add them to the selling price. Window etching on the other hand is a total scam. Your selling price is a couple hundred more than what i was quoted back in March. My guy had a 599 dealer fee.
i'd like to see how close to $32K OTD they can get me. do you remember your OTD price (i know, taxes make all the difference) - and was yours AWD?

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Post by researcher » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:39 pm

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:03 pm
here's a price breakdown for a CX-5 GT with Premium Package:

Selling Price: $30,299
Tax: $2,689.80
DMV Fee: $400
Doc Fee: $369 (what the?!)
Window Etching: $199 (what the?!)
TOTAL: $33,957
FWD or AWD?
Extra cost paint color?

For a frame of reference, last year I bought a 2018 FWD CX-5 GT (no premium package) in Grey Metallic ($300) for $28,200, which included everything except state-mandated fees (tax, DMV, ect).

You are paying $30,867 in comparison, or $2667 more than me.
But you're getting a model with $3025 in options (the $1625 premium package and possibly $1400 for AWD).

Doesn't sound like a bad deal overall, even with the Doc Fee and Window etching.
You shouldn't look at those line items. Just roll up all of the dealer fees and compare the total cost.

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iamlucky13 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:56 pm
This makes the car seem more responsive by creating an unconscious tendency to drive the car harder (also harder to control power in the snow). Very different from our Outback, which has a laid back throttle response, yet similar power/weight, making it feel more sluggish.
This is interesting. My wife has a Forester and I can NOT accelerate that thing smoothly no matter how gently I press.

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Post by Bob Sacamano » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:56 pm

researcher wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:39 pm
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:03 pm
here's a price breakdown for a CX-5 GT with Premium Package:

Selling Price: $30,299
Tax: $2,689.80
DMV Fee: $400
Doc Fee: $369 (what the?!)
Window Etching: $199 (what the?!)
TOTAL: $33,957
FWD or AWD?
Extra cost paint color?

For a frame of reference, last year I bought a 2018 FWD CX-5 GT (no premium package) in Grey Metallic ($300) for $28,200, which included everything except state-mandated fees (tax, DMV, ect).

You are paying $30,867 in comparison, or $2667 more than me.
But you're getting a model with $3025 in options (the $1625 premium package and possibly $1400 for AWD).

Doesn't sound like a bad deal overall, even with the Doc Fee and Window etching.
You shouldn't look at those line items. Just roll up all of the dealer fees and compare the total cost.
AWD.

the paint is gray metallic which is an added charge, typically.

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Post by Bob Sacamano » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:56 pm

mega317 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:42 pm
iamlucky13 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:56 pm
This makes the car seem more responsive by creating an unconscious tendency to drive the car harder (also harder to control power in the snow). Very different from our Outback, which has a laid back throttle response, yet similar power/weight, making it feel more sluggish.
This is interesting. My wife has a Forester and I can NOT accelerate that thing smoothly no matter how gently I press.
funny. i have a 2017 Forester. you definitely need a deft touch. it's the CVT and it is quite jerky. i don't really like the vehicle honestly.

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Post by randomguy » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:18 pm

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:38 pm
randomguy wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:13 pm
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:03 pm
here's a price breakdown for a CX-5 GT with Premium Package:

Selling Price: $30,299
Tax: $2,689.80
DMV Fee: $400
Doc Fee: $369 (what the?!)
Window Etching: $199 (what the?!)
TOTAL: $33,957
What a low doc fee😄 Doc fees are crap but they are hard to waive. Just add them to the selling price. Window etching on the other hand is a total scam. Your selling price is a couple hundred more than what i was quoted back in March. My guy had a 599 dealer fee.
i'd like to see how close to $32K OTD they can get me. do you remember your OTD price (i know, taxes make all the difference) - and was yours AWD?
It was 33400 was the last offer for a white one, AWD, premium package. MSRP of like 35k. Your price is within a couple hundred bucks. This is just a price from writing to the internet guy and not trying to grind out the last couple hundred. I doubt your getting to 32k until the 2020 come out but another 500 might be doable.

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Post by iamlucky13 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:40 pm

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:56 pm
mega317 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:42 pm
iamlucky13 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:56 pm
This makes the car seem more responsive by creating an unconscious tendency to drive the car harder (also harder to control power in the snow). Very different from our Outback, which has a laid back throttle response, yet similar power/weight, making it feel more sluggish.
This is interesting. My wife has a Forester and I can NOT accelerate that thing smoothly no matter how gently I press.
funny. i have a 2017 Forester. you definitely need a deft touch. it's the CVT and it is quite jerky. i don't really like the vehicle honestly.
If it's similar to the Outback, I think it's specifically related to the CVT rather than the throttle design. I can accelerate smoothly, but it does take some practice, because the vehicle generally slows or stops with the CVT in a low torque ratio, but to accelerate again, it needs to transition to a higher torque ratio. There is a lag while it does so, and if you're not anticipating it and already starting to ease off the throttle, this turns into a jerky start as it reaches the necessary ratio.

It's one thing I dislike but learned to deal with on our Outback's CVT, and on the whole, I think the transmission works well. It's miles ahead of a CVT-equipped Nissan Versa I rented once.

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Post by ladders11 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:23 pm

dreamrrr wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:21 pm
I purchased the 2019 CX-5 Signature model with the 2.5L turbo engine in January. I am very happy with this car. I've driven in snow in the rocky mountains in combined city and highway driving and am getting decent gas milage so far. You can run it with regular or premium fuel, your choice. It handles very nicely. Has a lot of safety features. The acceleration from the turbo engine is really good which comes in handy when entering the interstate or passing slower cars. I don't buy cars very often and tend to keep them for 18 to 20 years so I didn't mind paying the extra amount to get all the features they offered.
Are you planning on selling your new CX-5 before the year 2037? Or do you like it enough to keep it longer? What was your last vehicle?

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Post by munemaker » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:35 pm

batpot wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:11 am
You'll need to run higher octane in a turbo engine.
Not sure where you got that idea. The CX-5 turbo has HP ratings for regular (227 HP) and premium (250 HP) fuel, and you are free to use either.

From MOTOR TREND magazine review:
To the delight of lead-footed enthusiasts everywhere, the 2019 Mazda CX-5 now offers a more powerful turbo-four engine option. The 227-/250-hp 2.5T engine—output depends on whether you use regular or premium
reference: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazda/c ... st-review/

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Duplicate.
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Post by michaeljc70 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:41 pm

ladders11 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:23 pm
dreamrrr wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:21 pm
I purchased the 2019 CX-5 Signature model with the 2.5L turbo engine in January. I am very happy with this car. I've driven in snow in the rocky mountains in combined city and highway driving and am getting decent gas milage so far. You can run it with regular or premium fuel, your choice. It handles very nicely. Has a lot of safety features. The acceleration from the turbo engine is really good which comes in handy when entering the interstate or passing slower cars. I don't buy cars very often and tend to keep them for 18 to 20 years so I didn't mind paying the extra amount to get all the features they offered.
Are you planning on selling your new CX-5 before the year 2037? Or do you like it enough to keep it longer? What was your last vehicle?
Though I tend to keep cars a long time (13 yrs the last one, 10 years the one before), I don't know if going forward things will be exactly the same. Tech is obviously evolving at a much greater pace. Between tech, mpg, safety features, self/assisted driving, etc. I am dampening my view on keeping a car as long as I used to. My current car is 4.5 years old and I hope to keep it 5+ more years, but who knows.

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Post by randomguy » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:50 pm

michaeljc70 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:40 pm
Though I tend to keep cars a long time (13 yrs the last one, 10 years the one before), I don't know if going forward things will be exactly the same. Tech is obviously evolving at a much greater pace. Between tech, mpg, safety features, self/assisted driving, etc. I am dampening my view on keeping a car as long as I used to. My current car is 4.5 years old and I hope to keep it 5+ more years, but who knows.
Tech has always evolved. If you didn't care about airbags, crash cages, fuel efficiency, VSC, antilock breaks, and the rest that were introduced in the past 20 years, you can skip out on things like better lane keeping, bluetooth, digital displays, and so on. Tech improves but you don't have to follow.. It is unclear if we will get some fundamental break (i.e. self driving car, enough EVs to reduce gas availability,...) that encourages you to upgrade early. Personally I think 10-15 (150-200k miles) years is a somewhat reasonable guess. If someone actually had self driving tech that worked today, it would still probably take 5 years for it to reach the mass market. The path to things like EVs is a lot clearer (i.e. we don't need a major tech breakthrough, just a little bit of evolution) but it also isn't going to happen overnight. You can decide if you want to be an early or late adopter.

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Re: About to buy a 2019 Mazda CX-5. To turbo or not to turbo...

Post by dreamrrr » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:08 pm

ladders11 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:23 pm
dreamrrr wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:21 pm
I purchased the 2019 CX-5 Signature model with the 2.5L turbo engine in January. I am very happy with this car. I've driven in snow in the rocky mountains in combined city and highway driving and am getting decent gas milage so far. You can run it with regular or premium fuel, your choice. It handles very nicely. Has a lot of safety features. The acceleration from the turbo engine is really good which comes in handy when entering the interstate or passing slower cars. I don't buy cars very often and tend to keep them for 18 to 20 years so I didn't mind paying the extra amount to get all the features they offered.
Are you planning on selling your new CX-5 before the year 2037? Or do you like it enough to keep it longer? What was your last vehicle?
I have a 2002 miata that I drive in the summer and a 2012 gmc truck for the winter. I kept the truck and miata and will mostly drive the cx-5 in the winter and continue to drive the miata in the summer. The miata is 17 years old but still running strong so I don't think I'll ever sell it. I'll keep the cx-5 and truck for as long as they run, so they may out last me.

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Post by michaeljc70 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:17 pm

randomguy wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:50 pm
michaeljc70 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:40 pm
Though I tend to keep cars a long time (13 yrs the last one, 10 years the one before), I don't know if going forward things will be exactly the same. Tech is obviously evolving at a much greater pace. Between tech, mpg, safety features, self/assisted driving, etc. I am dampening my view on keeping a car as long as I used to. My current car is 4.5 years old and I hope to keep it 5+ more years, but who knows.
Tech has always evolved. If you didn't care about airbags, crash cages, fuel efficiency, VSC, antilock breaks, and the rest that were introduced in the past 20 years, you can skip out on things like better lane keeping, bluetooth, digital displays, and so on. Tech improves but you don't have to follow.. It is unclear if we will get some fundamental break (i.e. self driving car, enough EVs to reduce gas availability,...) that encourages you to upgrade early. Personally I think 10-15 (150-200k miles) years is a somewhat reasonable guess. If someone actually had self driving tech that worked today, it would still probably take 5 years for it to reach the mass market. The path to things like EVs is a lot clearer (i.e. we don't need a major tech breakthrough, just a little bit of evolution) but it also isn't going to happen overnight. You can decide if you want to be an early or late adopter.
Sure, tech and features have always evolved. However, not at this pace. The pace could drastically devalue older used cars at some point. I can tell you, the difference between a 1995 and a 2004 and the difference between a 2010 and 2019 are not the same.

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Post by TimeMan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:43 pm

I just bought a 2017 GT fully optioned for my daughter in December. While it handles well and power is "good enough", I can't deny if it was mine I'd be disappointed.

Then to my personal daddy cars are an 800hp challenger and Porsche GT3, so take that for what it is worth.

Much more fun to drive than my wife's 2012 Explorer Platinum.

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Post by randomguy » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:12 pm

michaeljc70 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:17 pm
Sure, tech and features have always evolved. However, not at this pace. The pace could drastically devalue older used cars at some point. I can tell you, the difference between a 1995 and a 2004 and the difference between a 2010 and 2019 are not the same.
Feels like it is the same pace as always. Stuff is introduced at the high end and 8 or so years it becomes more mainstream. You would need something very disruptive to get what you are talking about. Sure if some company introduced a 2k self driving option, you might get that disruption. The more likely scheme is that we get a 15 year phase in (cars in year 1-5 only self drive on highways, 5-10 add in a few more conditions, 10+ add in the rest) so you never end up with a radical disruption. But obviously this is all guessing. So far there has never been a really disruptive tech in the automotive industry (well past 100 years. Some of those early ones went obsolete quickly).

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Post by theplayer11 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:43 am

TimeMan wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:43 pm
I just bought a 2017 GT fully optioned for my daughter in December. While it handles well and power is "good enough", I can't deny if it was mine I'd be disappointed.

Then to my personal daddy cars are an 800hp challenger and Porsche GT3, so take that for what it is worth.

Much more fun to drive than my wife's 2012 Explorer Platinum.
I think it's all what you are used to. We have had 6 cyl suvs for over 20 years and now are considering a cx-5. Haven't test drove yet, but hopefully the 4 cyl will not seem too underpowered.

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Post by FrugalInvestor » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:49 am

I purchased a CX-9 with the 2.5 turbo six months ago. The engine is spectacular! The CX-9 is a fairly large and heavy vehicle (4,000+ lbs.) but does not feel underpowered in the least due to the amount of low-end torque available (300+ ft. lbs.). If I didn't know better I'd swear that it has a six or eight cylinder engine, especially in city driving. The engineers who designed this turbo-4cyl. are geniuses in my book.

As consumers we are so conditioned to look at horsepower ratings by the marketers that the benefit of torque - especially at lower rpms - is not well understood. I am a car guy and did not have a full appreciation for this until owning a vehicle with this new engine.

I too have shied away from turbo motors over years but believe that the reliability issues have been largely worked out. I'd recommend test driving a CX-5 with both engines and making your decision based on that. I bet I know which you'll choose!
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Post by smitcat » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:46 am

FrugalInvestor wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:49 am
I purchased a CX-9 with the 2.5 turbo six months ago. The engine is spectacular! The CX-9 is a fairly large and heavy vehicle (4,000+ lbs.) but does not feel underpowered in the least due to the amount of low-end torque available (300+ ft. lbs.). If I didn't know better I'd swear that it has a six or eight cylinder engine, especially in city driving. The engineers who designed this turbo-4cyl. are geniuses in my book.

As consumers we are so conditioned to look at horsepower ratings by the marketers that the benefit of torque - especially at lower rpms - is not well understood. I am a car guy and did not have a full appreciation for this until owning a vehicle with this new engine.

I too have shied away from turbo motors over years but believe that the reliability issues have been largely worked out. I'd recommend test driving a CX-5 with both engines and making your decision based on that. I bet I know which you'll choose!
Curious if you are running your CX9 with premium fuel to achieve the extra 25 hp it provides?

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smitcat wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:46 am
Curious if you are running your CX9 with premium fuel to achieve the extra 25 hp it provides?
No, I've never put premium in it and never felt the need to. The torque is the same with regular or premium, only the horsepower changes. If I were driving 2-lane highways and wanting to pass regularly I suppose I may want to try premium.
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Post by smitcat » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:59 am

FrugalInvestor wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:20 am
smitcat wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:46 am
Curious if you are running your CX9 with premium fuel to achieve the extra 25 hp it provides?
No, I've never put premium in it and never felt the need to. The torque is the same with regular or premium, only the horsepower changes. If I were driving 2-lane highways and wanting to pass regularly I suppose I may want to try premium.
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Re: About to buy a 2019 Mazda CX-5. To turbo or not to turbo...

Post by iamlucky13 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:44 pm

FrugalInvestor wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:20 am
smitcat wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:46 am
Curious if you are running your CX9 with premium fuel to achieve the extra 25 hp it provides?
No, I've never put premium in it and never felt the need to. The torque is the same with regular or premium, only the horsepower changes. If I were driving 2-lane highways and wanting to pass regularly I suppose I may want to try premium.
It's probably close enough to not matter much, but I don't see how it would be physically possible for that to be true. Torque directly relates to cylinder pressure, which is the same factor that affects knocking. If the engine is limiting the air+fuel charge in response to detecting lower octane fuel, that should be resulting in lower torque.

I see that the CX-5 spec sheet includes separate numbers for horsepower depending on the octane number, but only gives one number for torque. I think that is a omission in the spec sheet, not a true indication the torque is unaffected by your fuel choice.

Regardless, the worst case is you probably still have around 280 ft-lb of torque, which should be able to provide a mid-size SUV like that a nice kick.

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