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spy587
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Home with black mold

Post by spy587 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:01 pm

We're under contract on a home and the inspector found black mold (Stachybotrys).

Background on the home: Originally built in 1940s in Atlanta. Some issues with water in the basement though the owner has done renovations to limit intrusion. There were some signs of past water intrusion but not too significant in inspection.

We extended the due diligence period and are bringing out a mold remediation specialist.

Expect he'll give us a cost to fix the problem. What else should we be looking out for here? Anyone know what the odds of black mold returning post remediation are?

Would you stick with the house post remediation or just walk away now?

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by Nissanzx1 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:33 pm

Depending on how much mold there is, it could be easier to mitigate than you may think.

Get the facts and maybe even a few different opinions on severity.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by Ndop » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:15 pm

If you really want the property, I recommend getting a drainage inspector. This inspection will hopefully find source of the moisture that caused the mold. You can remediate the mold, but if the cause isn't addressed, it will come back.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by sambb » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:30 pm

walk away

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by boglerdude » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:45 am

Mold is not toxic. You can act scared though and use that as leverage to have them fix the water intrusion.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by carolinaman » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:47 am

boglerdude wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:45 am
Mold is not toxic. You can act scared though and use that as leverage to have them fix the water intrusion.
I agree. Every home has some mold, especially in the hot humid South. It depends upon how pervasive and what the root cause was?

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by daheld » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:46 am

boglerdude wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:45 am
You can act scared though and use that as leverage to have them fix the water intrusion.
This. All depends on how severe it is. If it's not that bad and can be remediated relatively easily, I wouldn't worry a lot about it. I would absolutely use it as leverage to get a price discount and/or get the issue fixed.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by jfn111 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:26 am

Mold scares away most buyer's so we use it as leverage, with my Rehabber's, to negotiate a discount on the price. Usually, the mitigation is fairly easy as long as you can determine the original cause.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by runner3081 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:32 am

jfn111 wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:26 am
Mold scares away most buyer's so we use it as leverage, with my Rehabber's, to negotiate a discount on the price. Usually, the mitigation is fairly easy as long as you can determine the original cause.
Agree.

Fix moisture issue, treat mold, seal wood in the area.

Move on :)

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by lthenderson » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:36 am

spy587 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:01 pm
Anyone know what the odds of black mold returning post remediation are?
Absolutely 100% over time. I've never done extensive remodeling in a house and not found black mold somewhere. It is a fact of life when you have/had any sort of moisture problem where there shouldn't be moisture. I just fix the moisture problem, remediate the mold so it doesn't become an airborne issue and move on.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by barnaclebob » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:48 am

How did the inspector know its Stachybotrys? I thought you had to send a sample to a lab to determine that which would be very unusual for a house inspection.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by barnaclebob » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:49 am

sambb wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:30 pm
walk away
This bad advice unless it is an extreme mold problem which is indicative of bad moisture problems. There is mold in nearly all houses where it rains, you just know know about it.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by jayk238 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:52 am

spy587 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:01 pm
We're under contract on a home and the inspector found black mold (Stachybotrys).

Background on the home: Originally built in 1940s in Atlanta. Some issues with water in the basement though the owner has done renovations to limit intrusion. There were some signs of past water intrusion but not too significant in inspection.

We extended the due diligence period and are bringing out a mold remediation specialist.

Expect he'll give us a cost to fix the problem. What else should we be looking out for here? Anyone know what the odds of black mold returning post remediation are?

Would you stick with the house post remediation or just walk away now?
Not something im experienced with but i was at a medical conference lecture about allergies and infections and the mold issue was brought up. Black mold is not really thought to be toxic or cause problems. Its ugly and can be smelly and it usually means plumbing and water issues and bad airway circulation which to me is the bigger issue.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by cherijoh » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:21 am

spy587 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:01 pm
We're under contract on a home and the inspector found black mold (Stachybotrys).

Background on the home: Originally built in 1940s in Atlanta. Some issues with water in the basement though the owner has done renovations to limit intrusion. There were some signs of past water intrusion but not too significant in inspection.

We extended the due diligence period and are bringing out a mold remediation specialist.

Expect he'll give us a cost to fix the problem. What else should we be looking out for here? Anyone know what the odds of black mold returning post remediation are?

Would you stick with the house post remediation or just walk away now?
Here is some info from the CDC on mold. I'm very sensitive to mold - so I personally would look for an another house unless you can figure out a specific cause for the excess moisture and successfully mediate THAT.

I discovered a leak into my crawl space a few years ago. The shower drain (PVC piping) was not tightly coupled, so ever time I used the shower I was adding moisture to the crawlspace. I got the plumber in for a simple fix and then had the crawlspace cleaned up - floor joists chemically cleaned, insulation replaced, etc. They also added some simple wells around two of my crawl space vents - the yard was sloping down enough that when it rained hard, it was draining into my crawlspace.

The remediation company also quoted an active dehumidifaction system, but they agreed that I could go back and add that at a later date if the plumbing fix didn't solve the problem. I did the basics and so far it has worked fine.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by sjt » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:31 am

If you are in the south, chances are there is some mold. Crawlspaces commonly have mold because humid southern air enters through open crawlspace vents and condenses on surfaces because it's often cooler in the crawlspace. Also water pipes and HVAC ducts carrying cold water or air can be prone to condensation. In the past, leaving the vents open and encouraging air flow was thought to help, but this turns out to enhance the problem.

You can look into crawlspace encapsulation and add a humidifier to the crawlspace (after having the mold treated). Even after treatment, the wood will still be stained, and even in spots the mold will simply go dormant (mold needs moisture to thrive). Dormant mold is not a problem. Solve the moisture problem and you have nothing to worry about.

If you've found mold elsewhere, like in the house, again the moisture is coming from somewhere else and that would be more concerning than mold in a crawlspace.
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Re: Home with black mold

Post by spy587 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:51 am

Thank you for the thoughts.

We did an air test on the mold so know it's Stachybotrys (which is the bad black mold). We knew there was some water intrusion so wanted to understand how big an issue it was.

Appreciate the thoughts that if we can fix the water issue it shouldn't be an issue.

It is on the GA disclosure form though so we'd need to disclose when we sell in the future. Definitely a piece to negotiate on.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by gretah » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:35 pm

Run away, don't walk.

Black mold in the walls almost killed me around 3 years ago.

It killed a young firefighter after Katrina. He died in his sleep after only a month of exposure.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by staythecourse » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:46 pm

I would walk away for a couple of different reasons: 1. Logical is because there is some moisture issue and unless you are 100% it is resolved this will be an ongoing issue and 2. Not logical is I find knowing there is mold in a house unpalatable to willingly move into when there are hundreds of other houses for sale.

Good luck.
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Re: Home with black mold

Post by dpm321 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:20 am

Mold almost killed me too. I'm now on medication permanently to keep my reaction under control and I'm not currently exposed to any mold. You may or may not have a reaction, but no house is worth what happens to your body if you are allergic. You won't know whether or not you are until it happens.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by spy587 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:14 pm

The mold is just an issue in the basement. Shouldn’t be in the walls throughout the house.

Would this change some of the strong walk away feelings?

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by HoosierJim » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:59 pm

Do you have pictures to post? Does any of it look like the photos on this page from Family Handyman?

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by boglerdude » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:26 am

Peanut allergies kill people too.

No water, no mold.

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Re: Home with black mold

Post by lthenderson » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:39 am

Mycotoxins, the "toxic" component of some black molds and hundreds of other molds regularly found inside and outside of houses can also be found in consumer products like cereals, dried fruits, nuts and spices. Like just about anything in life, the effects of mycotoxins depends greatly on exposure levels and length of exposure.

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