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Would you eat lab grown meat?

Post by cdu7 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:02 pm

Just read an article in the NYT saying that the meat industry is very concerned about lab grown meat to the point of trying to get it banned / specially labeled. Apparently this stuff is 3-5 years out from being on our store shelves. I personally think it sounds great and would happily try it, but I wanted to see what my fellow bogleheads think about this new frontier.

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Re: Would you eat lab grown meat?

Post by steadyeddy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:03 pm

Only if it tasted good.

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Post by retiredjg » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:10 pm

Meat grown in a petri dish as opposed to meat grown on an animal? This would not interest me.

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Post by Tycoon » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:10 pm

I've probably eaten worse things.
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Post by Ron » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:11 pm

At least it isn't reprocessed "old meat" AKA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green :mrgreen:

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Re: Would you eat lab grown meat?

Post by cdu7 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:13 pm

steadyeddy wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:03 pm
Only if it tasted good.
Let’s assume that it tastes the same as high quality beef and is cheaper in cost.

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Post by khh » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:14 pm

If they grow bacon, do we get to count it as a vegetable?

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Post by cdu7 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:16 pm

I actually read that the companies doing this (there is a lot of investment money in it right now) can actually use different seasonings / mediums to grow the meat and give it a variety of tasty flavors. They also seem to have gotten past the issue of muscle to fat ratios in the meat which is the primary taste factor.

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Post by Kalo » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:17 pm

Sure. Why not? Time marches on. I never thought I'd need a cell phone, but now I can't live without it.

I don't eat a lot of meat as it is. I like Tofurky Deli slices on my sandwiches, or Field Roast Wild Mushroom Deli Slices, but if I don't have time to get to the health food store, I'll use lunch meat on occasion. Can't stand on ceremony. The sandwich must go on.

We've got the substitute meat... for sandwiches!

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Post by MathWizard » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:20 pm

I would try it. Alternatives are always good to have.

You would be less likely to get sick from it.

Healthier meat may be necessary. I'm not a fish or tofu fan, so
if red meat and bacon are off the menu due to health, this may be the only way to get meat.

The texture would probably be my biggest objection. I've had meat substitutes, and the texture had turned me off, not the taste.

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Post by scout1 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:22 pm

Yes. Why not?

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Post by Cycle » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:25 pm

retiredjg wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:10 pm
Meat grown in a petri dish as opposed to meat grown on an animal? This would not interest me.
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Post by alter » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:27 pm

How could you have any lab-grown pudding if you don't eat your lab-grown meat?

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Post by shanefairman » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:27 pm

I have no moral or philosophical issue with it.

I will try it as soon as it's reasonably available just to say I tried it. On the other hand regular use will depend on price. If they can manufacture it for less than regular meat sign me up. I'm always interested in finding a better way to buy things. On the other hand if it ends up having a price premium to it even after wide adoption I'll pass.

I grew up on a farm and we raised and home slaughtered / processed plenty of animals. I'm not opposed to eating animals. For me it's really going to come down to price and quality.

I can see fast food and restaurants adopting it earlier even with a small price premium. I would suspect they can be very consistent with lab grown meat. In nation wide or world wide restaurants and chains consistency is very important.
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Post by SevenBridgesRoad » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:28 pm

Can’t wait for the home version of a meat lab. Home-lab pork tenderloin and home brewed IPA for dinner tonight.
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Post by averagedude » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:30 pm

I could easily be wrong, but i believe their will be alternatives to meat in the future, and meat consumption will be a fraction of what it is today, if not be illegal to consume in some countries. This will take place because the alternatives will be comparable, cheaper, healthier, and environmentally and politically popular. I don't see this happening in my lifetime, but could happen at the turn of the next century.

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Post by Svensk Anga » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:35 pm

For the naysayers, would you prefer a nice insect-based protein source instead?

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Post by Cycle » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:36 pm

I would start eating beef/pork meat again if it were sustainable, like with lab grown protein.

I mainly eat chicken for protein, but would consider insects if it was palletable and sustainable

Changing ones diet is pretty low hanging fruit to reduce an individuals carbon footprint, if u care about that stuff.
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Post by kacang » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:43 pm

Would you consider the Impossible Burger lab grown? The heme protein, a key ingredient to making it "meat-like", is produced via fermentation by genetically engineered yeast. Not too dissimilar to how some drugs are made. It tastes good, like meat, even gives me the "I ate too much protein" aftertaste when I have a burger.

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Post by stoptothink » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:46 pm

Absolutely

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Post by Glockenspiel » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:48 pm

Yes. Out of respect for our climate and my children, I’d love to give up eating beef altogether and just eat fake beef or become vegetarian.

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Post by Halicar » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:50 pm

Svensk Anga wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:35 pm
For the naysayers, would you prefer a nice insect-based protein source instead?
A few months ago one of my Hispanic coworkers brought in some fried Saltamontes (grasshoppers). They were delicious--I could have eaten the whole bag.

To OP's question, yes I will definitely try lab-grown meat when I get the chance.

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Post by Dottie57 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:51 pm

No. I eat very little meat so when I eat it I don’t want it from a petri dish.

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Post by livesoft » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:55 pm

Folks eat and drink lab-grown stuff all the time. For instance, any fermented product such as wine and beer is essentially "lab grown." Cheese is for all practical purposes lab-grown as well.

But there is no lab-grown meat now. That is a disparaging term that ranchers and other meat producers along with their lobbying organizations have promoted. Nothing wrong with that. There is not even lab grown protein unless you count nutritional yeast and beers. It will probably always be too expensive. Plants and animals are better at making protein which goes into these plant-based protein products.

But what makes the new foods different is that the hemes used in them are produced by microorganisms and perhaps plants.

Look at what the dairy farmers did for non-cow milk products. Half the "dairy" coolers in our grocery stores are now filled with plant-based drinks. Indeed, it is no longer a negative to not be labelled "milk" and consumers actively seek out non-animal products.

In the future, consumers will actively seek out non-animal meat substitutes and will turn up their noses at real meat. The producers of these substitutes will want to have legit labels to make sure consumers know there is no meat in their products, so cattle ranchers and farm bureaus are doing them a favor.

Here is a link to the NYTimes article mentioned by the OP: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/09/tech ... duced.html which seems to cover all sides of the issue nicely.
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Post by retire2022 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:01 pm

Cycle wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:36 pm
I would start eating beef/pork meat again if it were sustainable, like with lab grown protein.

I mainly eat chicken for protein, but would consider insects if it was palletable and sustainable

Changing ones diet is pretty low hanging fruit to reduce an individuals carbon footprint, if u care about that stuff.
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Post by livesoft » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:03 pm

Cycle wrote:
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I mainly eat chicken for protein, but would consider insects if it was palletable and sustainable
I don't think insects have that much protein in them.
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Post by lws6772 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:07 pm

I would try it. For someone who rarely eats meat, I could see where lab grown meat could easily provide all of my meat allocation.

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Post by dognose » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:09 pm

Since this is technically an investing site, what’s the safe withdrawal rate for lab grown meat?

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Post by Rob5TCP » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:09 pm

Definitely would. Being a vegetarian. I've already eaten the first non meat burger that "bleeds".
Meat eating friends stated it came out pretty good.
If this is better, I would jump on it.

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Post by Phineas J. Whoopee » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:11 pm

livesoft wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:03 pm
Cycle wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:36 pm
I mainly eat chicken for protein, but would consider insects if it was palletable and sustainable
I don't think insects have that much protein in them.
Not everyone agrees with you.

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Post by Phineas J. Whoopee » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:13 pm

Yes, I would at least try lab-grown meat, but only after a lot of other people had done so and had no more resultant health problems than we get from traditionally-produced meat.

I think the prospect has a lot of potential, but I am not an early adopter.

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Post by tadamsmar » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:14 pm

DIY lab-grown meat is on the horizon:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... necessary/

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Post by Mingus » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:39 pm

averagedude wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:30 pm
I could easily be wrong, but i believe their will be alternatives to meat in the future, and meat consumption will be a fraction of what it is today, if not be illegal to consume in some countries. This will take place because the alternatives will be comparable, cheaper, healthier, and environmentally and politically popular. I don't see this happening in my lifetime, but could happen at the turn of the next century.

What kind of hell are you describing where it would be illegal to consume meat? Is this the world where the vegans have a revolution?

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Post by abuss368 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:41 pm

With the increased population and strain on supplies it may not be an option in future years. I would have concerns.
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Post by fru-gal » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:42 pm

I'm a vegetarian, so no to flesh, but there are plenty of veggie "meats" that taste good. Morningstar does an excellent job with fake bacon, sausage, etc.

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Post by fru-gal » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:44 pm

Rob5TCP wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:09 pm
Definitely would. Being a vegetarian. I've already eaten the first non meat burger that "bleeds".
Meat eating friends stated it came out pretty good.
If this is better, I would jump on it.
I avoid the stuff with fake blood. Yuk.

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Post by livesoft » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:44 pm

Phineas J. Whoopee wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:11 pm
livesoft wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:03 pm
Cycle wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:36 pm
I mainly eat chicken for protein, but would consider insects if it was palletable and sustainable
I don't think insects have that much protein in them.
Not everyone agrees with you.

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I get that. Many people also believe that the exoskeleton of insects is made of protein. It is made of a polysaccharide: chitin.
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Post by pdavi21 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:45 pm

Beats Soylent Green
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Post by Smorgasbord » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:47 pm

Lab grown meat would be awesome. Lab grown lobster and veal meat for the same price as lab grown chicken...sign me up.

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Post by Dasnyc » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:51 pm

Why not? Take a look at the ingredient label of many of the processed foods on grocery shelves today. Lots of chemicals with almost unpronounceable names. Can lab grown meat be worse than some of these chemical concoctions? Lab grown meat will will probably eventually replace much of animal sourced meat, for any number of reasons: financial, ethical, health etc.

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Post by Phronesis » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:54 pm

I don't know about lab grown meat. If the price, flavor, and nutrition profile is right. Seems like there's more utility there than slaughtering animals.

I hear the Impossible Burger 2.0 is quite good. Its not lab grown but plant based. I can get behind that for sure.

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Post by ladycat » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:59 pm

I'm surprised its taking this long to become a viable food source option. 20+ years ago we were growing turkey muscle in the lab for research purposes. Just another type of "farming", so yes, I'd eat it. I wonder if this would be in the biotech sector, or the agriculture sector.

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Post by willthrill81 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:06 pm

Perhaps, but it's unlikely to be cheaper to produce than the way we get meat now.

Truth be told, most of us have probably eaten far worse things than 'lab grown meat'. For instance, rat hairs are present in almost all grains, and a certain number of them per pound are legally acceptable because they are simply unavoidable.

Our local grocery store sells beef sticks from a regional producer, and the primary ingredient is beef hearts. They taste fine, and our daughter loves them.
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Post by Mike Scott » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:08 pm

It has to make it to market as a viable product first but why not?

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Post by RickBoglehead » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:09 pm

Recently we had an Impossible Burger. All plant based. Fell apart some, apparently there is now a new recipe to help fix that.

It was quite good, bit side by side with a real burger it was no comparison. Cost $1 more, about 10%.

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Post by tadamsmar » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:14 pm

livesoft wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:03 pm
Cycle wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:36 pm
I mainly eat chicken for protein, but would consider insects if it was palletable and sustainable
I don't think insects have that much protein in them.
Some common household insects have a better protein to calorie ratio than beef. The protein to mass ratio is 50 to 80%:

https://www.the-scientist.com/thought-e ... diet-39838

But maybe you meant per organism: beef cow vs house cricket. You are right about that.
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Post by averagedude » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Mingus wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:39 pm
averagedude wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:30 pm
I could easily be wrong, but i believe their will be alternatives to meat in the future, and meat consumption will be a fraction of what it is today, if not be illegal to consume in some countries. This will take place because the alternatives will be comparable, cheaper, healthier, and environmentally and politically popular. I don't see this happening in my lifetime, but could happen at the turn of the next century.

What kind of hell are you describing where it would be illegal to consume meat? Is this the world where the vegans have a revolution?
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Post by 4nursebee » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:16 pm

I'd eat many things but prefer meat with some fat!
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Post by ttjt_99 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:19 pm

If it moos or oinks after they grow it, I’ll eat it.

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Post by Boulder92 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:22 pm

Absolutely. Lab grown meat without the antibiotics, slaughtering, and other chemicals farmers spray around would be better in my opinion. There was a recent WSJ article about farmers no longer being able to drink their own well water because of contamination. In the article it was also pointed out when they are spraying during certain times of year they cannot let their kids go out an play because the chemicals are carcinogenic. Lab grown meat — sign me up.

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