$10,000 for a bed?

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$10,000 for a bed?

Post by Leesbro63 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am

Perhaps some of you can enlighten me as to what I am missing. A good friend of mine just purchased a $10,000 bed. A Temperpedic "California King" bed, which is actually two beds, side by side. With all of the adjustable bells and whistles. I'll spend up for a good car (Lexus)...although the $50,000 Lexus and not the $100,000 one. I purchased an adjustable queen sized bed about 5 years ago for about $2300, so that's my frame of reference. Is it me? 10 grand for a bed? What am I missing?

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Dottie57 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:23 am

Does your friend have trouble sleeping? Medical issues? Lots of money? If he paid in cash, no problem.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by SQRT » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:25 am

Spending decisions are very personal. Looking for some judgemental opinion here? You do spend a lot of time in bed.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by scout1 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:29 am

You spend a third of your life in bed.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Leesbro63 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:30 am

Dottie57 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:23 am
Does your friend have trouble sleeping? Medical issues? Lots of money? If he paid in cash, no problem.
No, no, yes, paid cash.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Frisco Kid » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:31 am

You aren't missing anything, you simply have a totally opposite view of the value of a $10,000 bed. Both of you are correct....to quote a BMW add..."Perception is Reality" Different strokes for different folks!

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by stoptothink » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:33 am

Hey, my in-laws spent several thousand on a sleep number, which IMO is worse than sleeping on a concrete floor (and they don't think much more highly of it now). I think it is ridiculous, but it ain't my money.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by AlohaJoe » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am

Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
What am I missing?
Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Leesbro63 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am

AlohaJoe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
What am I missing?
Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?
I did. And I hear you. But I'm just in sticker shock that ANY bed could be $10K. I guess what I'm really asking is whether this is a common thing for someone to spend that much on a bed. (?) I guess I figured $4000 or maybe even $5000 might be the most ANY bed would cost?

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by onourway » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:41 am

Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am
AlohaJoe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
What am I missing?
Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?
I did. And I hear you. But I'm just in sticker shock that ANY bed could be $10K. I guess what I'm really asking is whether this is a common thing for someone to spend that much on a bed. (?) I guess I figured $4000 or maybe even $5000 might be the most ANY bed would cost?
Luxury goods are not priced based on what they are 'worth' in the sense of what they cost to develop and manufacture plus a fair profit. They are a social signal. And it worked. You know your friend is wealthy enough to spend $10k on a bed.
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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by RickBoglehead » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:42 am

There are areas, like a mattress purchase, where marketing confuses the consumer to the point where they believe/fall for claims made that they don't try to verify. Mattress manufacturers do everything possible to confuse consumers including have different model names at each store. Consumers rarely take the time to compare mattresses properly.

There are many things in life that some people just buy. There are others that research and buy, and others that research forever and never buy. The more educated a consumer, the more likely they are to not be taken advantage of.

I agree with the OP that a $10,000 bed is simply absurd. If I had $100 million, I would not spend $10,000 on a bed. I would however have 5 houses, each with a fulltime staff, regardless of where I was residing... :D

And he knows his friend is gullible, not wealthy.
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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by michaeljc70 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:44 am

I just read that in the largest suite on a cruise ship the bed costs $200k. $10k seems like a bargain. :oops:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/rege ... index.html

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by DrGoogle2017 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:46 am

Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am
AlohaJoe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
What am I missing?
Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?
I did. And I hear you. But I'm just in sticker shock that ANY bed could be $10K. I guess what I'm really asking is whether this is a common thing for someone to spend that much on a bed. (?) I guess I figured $4000 or maybe even $5000 might be the most ANY bed would cost?
Bed or mattress? I paid for two expensive mattresses for this price, but the bed is extra on top.
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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by alfaspider » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:47 am

RickBoglehead wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:42 am
Consumers rarely take the time to compare mattresses properly.
The problem is that the industry and the nature of the purchase makes it extremely hard to compare mattresses property. A few reasons:

1) They change model names on mattresses that are identical for different retails. Therefore, it's hard to know if you can get the "Sleeper King XL" cheaper at another store because the other store only sells the "Sleeper King XT," and it's never clear if they are identical or there is some important difference.

2) It's very difficult to get a sense of how a bed will sleep in the store. You really need to actually sleep on it to know. We once bought a mattress that seemed great in the store. I woke up the next morning in severe back pain (never having had any history of back pain before). Most stores have a return policy of some sort, but it's a massive pain when you are talking about a large mattress that needs to be taken in and out of your house (and when you've probably already disposed of the old one).

3) The value of the underlying product is extremely subjective. What person A loves person B might hate. It's hard to just read reviews and know if you will like something.

Given all these problems, I think a certain percentage of the population just thinks "To heck with it, I'm just going to get the BEST" and buys the most expensive one.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by mtn biker » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:48 am

Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
Perhaps some of you can enlighten me as to what I am missing. A good friend of mine just purchased a $10,000 bed. A Temperpedic "California King" bed, which is actually two beds, side by side. With all of the adjustable bells and whistles. I'll spend up for a good car (Lexus)...although the $50,000 Lexus and not the $100,000 one. I purchased an adjustable queen sized bed about 5 years ago for about $2300, so that's my frame of reference. Is it me? 10 grand for a bed? What am I missing?
I had to chuckle, I live in small town WI, the majority of people around me would say the exact same thing about your $2300 bed. They get a foam mattress for $500, or something from a local mattress store for $1000, but $2300? That's big money! Everything is relative, my neighbor paid over $10,000 for custom cherry bedroom furniture set, and he doesn't even sleep on that. The answer to your question is that you aren't missing anything, it's just life. People pay for what they think will benefit them, and priorities and wealth vary.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by LiterallyIronic » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:54 am

Everyone spends their discretionary income on the things they feel are most important. I would never spend $10,000 on a bed (ours was $299 for the mattress and boxspring nine years ago), but, on the other side of the coin, I built a bleeding edge computer and bought a dozen video game consoles to connect to my huge TV.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by DrGoogle2017 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:56 am

$50,000 Lexus is useless to me, I rather have the Toyota, actually I did comparing to the Lexus my SIL had. Lol

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Leesbro63 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:02 pm

DrGoogle2017 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:46 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am
AlohaJoe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
What am I missing?
Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?
I did. And I hear you. But I'm just in sticker shock that ANY bed could be $10K. I guess what I'm really asking is whether this is a common thing for someone to spend that much on a bed. (?) I guess I figured $4000 or maybe even $5000 might be the most ANY bed would cost?
Bed or mattress? I paid for two expensive mattresses for this price, but the bed is extra on top.
The mattresses (it's a "California King") and the adjustable frame. No "furniture" (like headboard or skirtboard).

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by DrGoogle2017 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:05 pm

Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:02 pm
DrGoogle2017 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:46 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am
AlohaJoe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
What am I missing?
Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?
I did. And I hear you. But I'm just in sticker shock that ANY bed could be $10K. I guess what I'm really asking is whether this is a common thing for someone to spend that much on a bed. (?) I guess I figured $4000 or maybe even $5000 might be the most ANY bed would cost?
Bed or mattress? I paid for two expensive mattresses for this price, but the bed is extra on top.
The mattresses (it's a "California King") and the adjustable frame. No "furniture" (like headboard or skirtboard).
That’s expensive then. I paid for top of the line and even the delivery guys said so, though it was a while back like 2013, so maybe the same King mattress has gone up. $5000 for each mattress and I paid two. Maybe I made some money through inflation. The other mattress is brand new still.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Starfish » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:49 pm

Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am
AlohaJoe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
What am I missing?
Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?
I did. And I hear you. But I'm just in sticker shock that ANY bed could be $10K. I guess what I'm really asking is whether this is a common thing for someone to spend that much on a bed. (?) I guess I figured $4000 or maybe even $5000 might be the most ANY bed would cost?
Most beds I owned were 180-250$ from Ikea plus ~600-1000$ for the mattress. Twin or queen is plenty big for a couple.
The most expensive one I own now is about 1200$, king, from Scandinavian designs. I bought a king although is way too big because our kid sneaks in the bed and sleeps, of course, perpendicularly. And 1000 or 15000$ for the mattress (on sale, 50% off).
I sat on expensive mattresses and I did not like any of them more than the 800-1000$ variety.
So I guess is pretty uncommon.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by unclescrooge » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:51 pm

scout1 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:29 am
You spend a third of your life in bed.
Yes, but it down time. You don't spend 1/3 of your disposable income for activities that occur when you're sleeping.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Starfish » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:54 pm

I spend all my life in underwear and cheap undies will do.
Actually I have a suspicion that sleeping on something very simple like a tatami might be way better for health, back etc.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by DaftInvestor » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:57 pm

unclescrooge wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:51 pm
scout1 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:29 am
You spend a third of your life in bed.
Yes, but it down time. You don't spend 1/3 of your disposable income for activities that occur when you're sleeping.
But lack of a good night sleep can impact the rest of your day as well.
Although I believe in a good mattress/boxspring-set (spent about $2000 last time); $10,000 seems borderline ridiculous but I can see how the cost would add up if you add an adjustable platform and so on - add on top of that the premium he probably paid at the "luxury spender" store he probably bought it at at $10,000 doesn't seem too far fetched.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Cyclesafe » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:04 pm

alfaspider wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:47 am
RickBoglehead wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:42 am
Consumers rarely take the time to compare mattresses properly.
The problem is that the industry and the nature of the purchase makes it extremely hard to compare mattresses property. A few reasons:

1) They change model names on mattresses that are identical for different retails. Therefore, it's hard to know if you can get the "Sleeper King XL" cheaper at another store because the other store only sells the "Sleeper King XT," and it's never clear if they are identical or there is some important difference.

2) It's very difficult to get a sense of how a bed will sleep in the store. You really need to actually sleep on it to know. We once bought a mattress that seemed great in the store. I woke up the next morning in severe back pain (never having had any history of back pain before). Most stores have a return policy of some sort, but it's a massive pain when you are talking about a large mattress that needs to be taken in and out of your house (and when you've probably already disposed of the old one).

3) The value of the underlying product is extremely subjective. What person A loves person B might hate. It's hard to just read reviews and know if you will like something.

Given all these problems, I think a certain percentage of the population just thinks "To heck with it, I'm just going to get the BEST" and buys the most expensive one.
My wife and I took the time. Lots of time, walked away, and took lots of time again.

The only way to shop for mattresses is to learn about materials and only look at mattress models that have cutouts available to verify their innards. Learning about materials is what the internet is for. The sales people will indeed push what they have and will shamelessly lie to foist upon you the mattress that makes them the biggest commission. Ignore them.

We bought a Cal King Vi-Spring. It is by no means the top-of-the line model that Her Magesty Queen Elizabeth II sleeps on, but it has all the same materials (in thinner layers) and fewer layers and numbers of coils. I layed down in the queen's bed for a few minutes (while the salesman hovered about making sure I wouldn't scuff it up) and didn't notice any difference between it and the mattress we got - which isn't saying much because one would have to sleep for weeks on each to make a proper comparison. Not gonna happen.

But we got 30% off MSRP on a just discontinued model in a factory sealed box, in a market that has very strict regionally exclusive distribution. Phone calls far and wide just couldn't yield a better deal. I even contacted the manufacturer in Plymouth (the UK one) - no dice. The owner of the store tried to extricate himself from the deal several times and even delivered and set up in our bedroom a lower end model that we discovered when we pulled off the sheets to further inspect after they left. White glove delivery, my a.

After a "focused" phone discussion with the store owner, where he claimed that the bed we bought was "missing in his warehouse", he agreed to order another one from the factory and to have it airshipped to Cali. I verified this with my new friend at Vi Spring (whom I am considering visiting in Plymouth this May) and the mattress and box springs (Vi Spring calls these divans) were delivered in six weeks.

So what, I got a deal. Still overpaid you say, and you might be right.

But I will have to blame something else for not getting a good night's sleep. The mattress/divan combination keeps my spine straight, regardless of the position I find myself in and does not retain body heat. Excrutiating leg cramps from a pinched sciatic nerve and DW waking from night sweats are things of the past. And it is reasonable to expect that the Vi Spring will last the rest of our lives, obviating the need for several replacements during the period. So even though I paid a sum consistent with what OP mentioned above, I do not regret the purchase.
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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Will do good » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:17 pm

I think it's mostly marketing up-sell issue. It may be 20% better at 500% more expensive.
It's a first world problem :wink:

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by leonidas » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:20 pm

My wife and I were mattress shopping about 3 years ago and she fell in love with Stearn and Foster king sized that was $9300. Needless to say we kept looking but she was not satisfied with anything else we saw. Went back during a holiday sale (Memorial day) and the bed was like 65% off. We bought it and some sheets and blankets for about $4500. 0% for five years finance. We will have that bed for the next 30 years....hopefully.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by DanMahowny » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:22 pm

$10k seems like a lot (it is).

But 30,000 hours in a bed before replacement is possible, right?

Perhaps $10k isn't that much? Not sure what I think of this.

I do know I would haggle VERY HARD before buying. Gotta be lots of margin in there.
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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Artful Dodger » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:59 pm

We have a $10k sleep number bed. My wife loves it. I like it, but really had no problem with our previous bed. Did I mention my wife loves it? :wink:

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by unclescrooge » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:06 pm

DaftInvestor wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:57 pm
unclescrooge wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:51 pm
scout1 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:29 am
You spend a third of your life in bed.
Yes, but it down time. You don't spend 1/3 of your disposable income for activities that occur when you're sleeping.
But lack of a good night sleep can impact the rest of your day as well.
Although I believe in a good mattress/boxspring-set (spent about $2000 last time); $10,000 seems borderline ridiculous but I can see how the cost would add up if you add an adjustable platform and so on - add on top of that the premium he probably paid at the "luxury spender" store he probably bought it at at $10,000 doesn't seem too far fetched.
I think all memory foam mattresses come from one of 3 manufacturers in the US. The key differentiator is marketing.

I bought my memory foam mattress from Costco for under $500 several years ago. I'm extremely happy with it. I doubt a $10k mattress would be even twice as good.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by GoldStar » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:07 pm

For $10,000 perhaps it performs other bedroom services versus just being a place to lie down and sleep. 8-)

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Post by Sandtrap » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:07 pm

Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
Perhaps some of you can enlighten me as to what I am missing. A good friend of mine just purchased a $10,000 bed. A Temperpedic "California King" bed, which is actually two beds, side by side. With all of the adjustable bells and whistles. I'll spend up for a good car (Lexus)...although the $50,000 Lexus and not the $100,000 one. I purchased an adjustable queen sized bed about 5 years ago for about $2300, so that's my frame of reference. Is it me? 10 grand for a bed? What am I missing?
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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by FlyAF » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:17 pm

Starfish wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:49 pm
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am
AlohaJoe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
What am I missing?
Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?
I did. And I hear you. But I'm just in sticker shock that ANY bed could be $10K. I guess what I'm really asking is whether this is a common thing for someone to spend that much on a bed. (?) I guess I figured $4000 or maybe even $5000 might be the most ANY bed would cost?
Twin or queen is plenty big for a couple.
Twin is plenty for a couple? Umm, nope.

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Post by Broken Man 1999 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:20 pm

F. Scott Fitzgerald says it best:“Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we
are. They are different. ”


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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by Starfish » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:21 pm

FlyAF wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:17 pm
Starfish wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:49 pm
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am
AlohaJoe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am
What am I missing?
Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?
I did. And I hear you. But I'm just in sticker shock that ANY bed could be $10K. I guess what I'm really asking is whether this is a common thing for someone to spend that much on a bed. (?) I guess I figured $4000 or maybe even $5000 might be the most ANY bed would cost?
Twin or queen is plenty big for a couple.
Twin is plenty for a couple? Umm, nope.


Twin was plenty for when I was was in my 20s with my girlfriend :), but you are right, I meant a full. I prefer a queen though nowadays.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by bhsince87 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:27 pm

My wife wanted to spend about $8k on an adjustable bed a few years ago. She had chronic back pain, and thought it might help. I was against it at first, but eventually gave in.

Her back pain went away.

I had suffered from occasionally painful varicose veins in my legs, and that went away too.

So yes, it was worth it to us.

In fact, this is one reason we don't like to travel for long lengths of time. We always end up in pain when we can't sleep in our adjustable bed!
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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by alfaspider » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:52 pm

Starfish wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:21 pm
FlyAF wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:17 pm
Starfish wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:49 pm
Leesbro63 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am
AlohaJoe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:35 am


Why don't you ask your friend?

Why do you care what someone else decides to spend their money on?
I did. And I hear you. But I'm just in sticker shock that ANY bed could be $10K. I guess what I'm really asking is whether this is a common thing for someone to spend that much on a bed. (?) I guess I figured $4000 or maybe even $5000 might be the most ANY bed would cost?
Twin or queen is plenty big for a couple.
Twin is plenty for a couple? Umm, nope.


Twin was plenty for when I was was in my 20s with my girlfriend :), but you are right, I meant a full. I prefer a queen though nowadays.
A King is a very nice (and in my opinion worthwhile) upgrade. The cost difference is really not so large, and the amount of additional comfort is fairly significant, especially for those who like to spread out during sleep. Another advantage is that it can also fit a small child in addition to the couple if necessary.

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Re: $10,000 for a bed?

Post by LadyGeek » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:16 pm

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