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Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by knightrider » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:21 am

I am wondering if a rear dashcam will help my frustration with tailgaters. It seems I can't drive more than a few miles before someone has to ride my tail to bully me to go faster. And no, I am not driving slow or blocking the passing lane. I thought to get some video recording device that would let me get the license plate number. With this plate number I could do one of three things:

1) Send to police ( probably will not do anything since no actual crime has been committed )
2) Upload to some website that tracks these plates in a database of aggressive drivers
3) Post on our local community forum to try and shame the person ( not sure if this might backfire on me )..

Curious to hear thoughts from others.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by livesoft » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:23 am

I think your 1-3 after steps are quite aggressive and asking for trouble. I would do something to make the tailgater terrorize someone else. I am happy to pull over and let them pass if they are that close.
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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by mhc » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:26 am

If I'm blocking traffic, I pull over. If I was impeding traffic regularly, I would take a hard look at my driver style to see if it fits into the local driving style. I definitely would not get a rear camera thinking it would change other people's driving style.

Some states have laws about keeping up with the flow of traffic.

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Post by mxs » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:38 am

You say that you aren't driving slow, but I will ask, are you driving the speed limit? I have been places where if you are not driving exactly the speed limit or higher, you will be passed all day. When that is the case, I just shrug and don't worry about it. I try to focus on what is going on in front of me more than behind.

Bottom line, I wouldn't worry about it if you are driving the speed limit. If you are driving slower, then that is just what will happen.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by knightrider » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:41 am

mxs wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:38 am
Bottom line, I wouldn't worry about it if you are driving the speed limit. If you are driving slower, then that is just what will happen.
As George Carlin said, "Anyone driving faster than you is a maniac and slower than you is an idiot".. Tailgaters don't care. They just want to bully anyone going slower than them... They get away with it because it is hard to catch or do anything about.. I am hoping rear dashcam will give me some peace of mind ..

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by El Greco » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:42 am

I saw an interesting solution to this tailgating problem a few weeks ago. A lady in an old Toyota Corolla had a bumper sticker that said: "The closer you get, the slower I drive." Pretty funny, and I think it actually worked.

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Post by yohac » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:44 am

You can't control other people. Personally I just ignore them. If you're cruising down the highway, why keep checking the rearview mirror?

You could just randomly touch the brake pedal. Some people may back off a little, if they think you're nuts.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by lthenderson » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:47 am

El Greco wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:42 am
"The closer you get, the slower I drive."
+1 This has always been my solution.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by rh00p » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:51 am

El Greco wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:42 am
A lady in an old Toyota Corolla had a bumper sticker that said: "The closer you get, the slower I drive."
I saw one that said "My Brakes Are Good, How's Your Insurance?" Driving a larger truck or SUV gives you a slower sense of speed vs a smaller car. You can try a rear cam to protect you in case you're rear ended but don't brake check. They might have a dash cam.
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Post by Shallowpockets » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:51 am

You are driving too slow for the ambient traffic of that road. If you are constantly being tailgated, why? Think that way. The ambient speed on a road is often faster than the posted speed. Sure, you may be going speed limit, but that's not what it is about. Either speed up or let the tailgaters go around. Don't slow up, that is passive aggressive driving.
Don't be like those who say they have had numerous hit from behind collisions. Never their fault. What??
So if people are always tailgating you, then you are going too slow on a regular basis. Change your behavior. You need to fit into the trap affic patterns.
Older people are notorious for this.
I am an older person. I do not drive like that and I make concessions so I an not, "that guy".
And tapping your brakes, maybe causing a fender bender, that is aggressive driving, whereby you exhibited intent. That's enough right there to be a causative factor for conviction on a traffic violation.
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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by FireSekr » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:52 am

Stay to the right except to pass. If traffic to your right is passing you, then you’re in the wrong lane regardless if you’re doing the speed limit.

If someone is tailgating you and you’re in the middle lane just move right and let them go. You are in the wrong for impeding the flow of traffic, which is illegal in many states. no point in aggravating the situation

You should get a front and rear dash cam but not to report or name and shame tailgaters. If something happens you will have proof. I was rear ended by a cargo truck causing a multi car pile up. The footage from my rear dash cam shows the truck swerving in and out of the lane and speeding up before hitting me indicating at best that they weren’t paying attention.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by FlyAF » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:53 am

knightrider wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:41 am
mxs wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:38 am
Bottom line, I wouldn't worry about it if you are driving the speed limit. If you are driving slower, then that is just what will happen.
As George Carlin said, "Anyone driving faster than you is a maniac and slower than you is an idiot".. Tailgaters don't care. They just want to bully anyone going slower than them... They get away with it because it is hard to catch or do anything about.. I am hoping rear dashcam will give me some peace of mind ..
There will be no peace of mind, just the absence of some money in your bank account. Nobody behind you will know you have it or even give a crud. The police would probably just laugh if you were constantly bringing in footage of people tailing you.

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Post by 8foot7 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:55 am

We have a rampant problem around these parts of people going 10 under the speed limit on a clear sunny day. It is mostly minivans with distracted parents driving. In this case, yes, I will tailgate you. No, I'm not proud of it. But I have places to be. If you can't safely operate your vehicle at the approved limit of speed on this road when conditions warrant, then you shouldn't be driving. Rant over.

If you post this material online, you can open yourself up to liability for making defamatory comments unless all you post is the video with no additional commentary. Will your video have the speed limit, your current speed, and an estimate of the other vehicle's speed? If you have to use text or additional video to "explain" why you captured the video and what you think the offense is, you could be sued. I

I suppose if you just send this video to the police that there is no issue. But they're not going to do anything with your little dashcam video except throw it in the trash and move on to something more acute, let's be real.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by knightrider » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:59 am

FlyAF wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:53 am
There will be no peace of mind, just the absence of some money in your bank account. Nobody behind you will know you have it or even give a crud. The police would probably just laugh if you were constantly bringing in footage of people tailing you.
They would know when they see their footage on our local community forum. Also I could put on a "Smile you're on YouTube" bumper sticker.

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Post by sailaway » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:59 am

8foot7 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:55 am
We have a rampant problem around these parts of people going 10 under the speed limit on a clear sunny day. It is mostly minivans with distracted parents driving. In this case, yes, I will tailgate you. No, I'm not proud of it. But I have places to be. If you can't safely operate your vehicle at the approved limit of speed on this road when conditions warrant, then you shouldn't be driving. Rant over.

If you post this material online, you can open yourself up to liability for making defamatory comments unless all you post is the video with no additional commentary. Will your video have the speed limit, your current speed, and an estimate of the other vehicle's speed? If you have to use text or additional video to "explain" why you captured the video and what you think the offense is, you could be sued. I

I suppose if you just send this video to the police that there is no issue. But they're not going to do anything with your little dashcam video except throw it in the trash and move on to something more acute, let's be real.
You think people are going to sue you for calling you out for driving dangerously? I agree that the police won't follow up, but failing to leave a proper distance is an actual offense, driving slightly under the speed limit isn't.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by samsdad » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:00 am

I have two strategies for dealing with tailgaters:

1. If I’m in the no. 1 lane (far-left lane) I safely change lanes to the no. 2 lane, and let them make some other poor soul miserable. I then specifically think to myself, “how nice is it that you, samsdad, live a life where you’re not in a hurry anymore to get somewhere?” I count my blessings and smile, knowing that the tailgater is the one who is miserable (and trying to get me to join them in their misery).

2. If I’m in another lane besides the no. 1 lane or a passing lane, I’ll move over again if I can; if not I slowly slow down to force them to pass. Remember, they want to get somewhere. If I’m in an exit lane I just deal with them and think that same thought, above. Alternatively, if safe, I’ll pull off the road and let them by.

I’m aware of the thought process that some people have that says “if I pull over or change lanes that will just encourage the bad behavior or the tailgater.” I used to have this mentality, till I realized that it’s not my place to teach others how to drive. Really!

There’s a similar thought process that involves being a people-pleaser, and going faster to get out of their way, etc. I’ve done my best to rid myself of that shortcoming in my character.

As a business owner who lives in another state from my business, I’m very rarely in a hurry, especially at home. If the person or event can’t wait for my arrival, too bad for them. When I go somewhere these days, it usually involves me spending money. If they can’t wait for me, I guess they won’t get the money.

Still, I pride myself on being punctual—I feel that being late is rude—but I also realize that I don’t control the universe and sometimes things happen that make me late. If I have an appointment, I usually leave WELL in advance so that I don’t feel rushed. If I can be punctual with twin 14-month infants in tow on a regular basis, I don’t see how everyone else can’t figure it out too.

When I drive to the airport on the morning I’m flying to the state where my business is located, I join the morning rush hour. I’m struck by just how many people are angry-driving to work—I mean really in a hurry to get to work. They must love their jobs, and can’t wait to get to the office. Good for them.
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Post by 8foot7 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:02 am

sailaway wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:59 am
8foot7 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:55 am
We have a rampant problem around these parts of people going 10 under the speed limit on a clear sunny day. It is mostly minivans with distracted parents driving. In this case, yes, I will tailgate you. No, I'm not proud of it. But I have places to be. If you can't safely operate your vehicle at the approved limit of speed on this road when conditions warrant, then you shouldn't be driving. Rant over.

If you post this material online, you can open yourself up to liability for making defamatory comments unless all you post is the video with no additional commentary. Will your video have the speed limit, your current speed, and an estimate of the other vehicle's speed? If you have to use text or additional video to "explain" why you captured the video and what you think the offense is, you could be sued. I

I suppose if you just send this video to the police that there is no issue. But they're not going to do anything with your little dashcam video except throw it in the trash and move on to something more acute, let's be real.
You think people are going to sue you for calling you out for driving dangerously? I agree that the police won't follow up, but failing to leave a proper distance is an actual offense, driving slightly under the speed limit isn't.
I'm saying it could happen. Would it? Probably not. But one day you might happen to be in front of a lawyer having a bad afternoon and then he finds himself on a website...

Impeding traffic - "No person shall drive upon a highway at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, because of a grade, or compliance with the law" - is indeed an offense. When you're going 10 under and have a line of 20 cars behind you all wanting to go the speed limit, you are impeding the reasonable movement of traffic.

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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:06 am

I use cruise control a lot. Even on back roads. There are plenty of idiots on the road whose only goal is to be "in front of that guy". On the highway, these clowns are obvious. Setting my cruise control, I'll see them come up behind me and scream past me. 5 miles later, I catch and pass them all by themselves. They don't have a speed goal, they just can't deal with someone else being in front of them. Ignore them.

Dash cams are a double edged sword. If you truly are a good driver, they can help. But if you're not, never, ever put a dash cam in your car because it becomes evidence when you do something wrong.
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Post by sailaway » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:07 am

8foot7 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:02 am
sailaway wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:59 am
8foot7 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:55 am
We have a rampant problem around these parts of people going 10 under the speed limit on a clear sunny day. It is mostly minivans with distracted parents driving. In this case, yes, I will tailgate you. No, I'm not proud of it. But I have places to be. If you can't safely operate your vehicle at the approved limit of speed on this road when conditions warrant, then you shouldn't be driving. Rant over.

If you post this material online, you can open yourself up to liability for making defamatory comments unless all you post is the video with no additional commentary. Will your video have the speed limit, your current speed, and an estimate of the other vehicle's speed? If you have to use text or additional video to "explain" why you captured the video and what you think the offense is, you could be sued. I

I suppose if you just send this video to the police that there is no issue. But they're not going to do anything with your little dashcam video except throw it in the trash and move on to something more acute, let's be real.
You think people are going to sue you for calling you out for driving dangerously? I agree that the police won't follow up, but failing to leave a proper distance is an actual offense, driving slightly under the speed limit isn't.
I'm saying it could happen. Would it? Probably not. But one day you might happen to be in front of a lawyer having a bad afternoon and then he finds himself on a website...

Impeding traffic - "No person shall drive upon a highway at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, because of a grade, or compliance with the law" - is indeed an offense. When you're going 10 under and have a line of 20 cars behind you all wanting to go the speed limit, you are impeding the reasonable movement of traffic.
10 under is still reasonable, if not normal. Most highways post that impeding speed as 45mph.

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Post by Sandtrap » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:09 am

Perhaps focusing on what is behind while driving is dangerous.

Regardless of speed limit and one's speed.

If on left lane and tailgated (regardless of speed) , get out of the way, move over to right.

If on right lane and tailgated, keep up with the guy in front, or let the guy in back pass on the left.

*If tailgated and a long line of cars behind, and nothing ahead . . . . then slow down and pull off the road when safe to do so and let the tractor cool off for awhile before it overheats. :shock:
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Post by wander » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:11 am

I will rather move to the right lane and let them pass me. But I am not going to let them making me getting speeding tickets and only change lanes when it is safe to do so, so be patience.

Some states only allow left lane for passing. Some other states require drivers to move to the right lanes when there is a number of vehicles (5) behind them.
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Post by barnaclebob » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:14 am

If you are getting tailgaited regularly enough to post about it on an internet forum I would guess your driving habits are to blame. My MIL complains about tailgaters while going 5 over in the carpool lane on I-5 with cars constantly passing on the right.

You don't drive a Prius by chance?
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Post by 8foot7 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:15 am

sailaway wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:07 am


10 under is still reasonable, if not normal. Most highways post that impeding speed as 45mph.
On a two lane road when you have a line of cars behind you and you've been in front for an extended period of time, 10 under is indeed not reasonable.
See, for example, https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/t ... 46544.html

On a road with a single lane in each direction, ten miles per hour below the posted speed limit might impede the “normal and reasonable movement of traffic,” especially if the driver remained in that lane for an extended period of time. In that situation, the law states that once five or more cars have formed a line behind the slower driver, the driver is required to pull off the roadway at the earliest safe opportunity to let the following cars pass.

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Post by barnaclebob » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:19 am

sailaway wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:07 am
10 under is still reasonable, if not normal. Most highways post that impeding speed as 45mph.
Lol, not a chance that 10 under is reasonable.

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Post by Boglegrappler » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:27 am

Buy a pickup truck. That deters some, but not all tailgaters.

Get a couple of military decals for the rear window. It may be my imagination, but I think I've seen tailgaters back off a bit when they see the US Army infantry decals on my truck.

A hells angels decal might work as well, or something to do with supporting the local police?

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Post by Rus In Urbe » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:30 am

Road Rage is Real. No use to inflame the tailgaters, just move over.

Two observations:

1. I have a theory that 50% of aggressive drivers are actually quite unsuccessful in their lives, and that "beating other drivers" on the road is one of the only satisfactions they get in an otherwise sad life. The other 50% are overly privileged people who believe rules don't apply to them, ever. 100% of them clearly don't value their lives or the lives of others. Just a theory here.

2. It has happened twice that I spotted tailgaters whom I let pass me by a few miles down the road getting a speeding ticket. Sometimes the magic works.
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Post by J295 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:32 am

Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?
No. Other much better solutions exist, both internally and externally.

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Post by DanMahowny » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:35 am

If tailgaters bother you now, a rear dash cam will just make it worse.

Stay in the right lane, and remain focused on YOUR driving, not others.

It would be a big mistake to implement any of your proposed ideas.

Also, how slow are you driving?
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Post by pdavi21 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:35 am

No. The police don't care. They have bigger fish to fry. Much much much bigger.
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Post by Rupert » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:46 am

The camera won't help. And, yes, road rage has become a very serious problem. It's truly dangerous to antagonize people on the roads today. So I drive defensively. In town, I drive the speed limit and do my best to ignore tailgaters. I don't make eye contact with them as they pass me or on the frequent occasion that I pull alongside them at the next red light. On the highway/interstate, I drive 5-10 miles above the speed limit if safe, stay in the right lane except to pass, and do my best to ignore tailgaters. I don't make eye contact when they pass me and am happy to see the back of them as they speed ahead. Never tap your brakes to "send them a message." They might actually run into you because they could be texting or distracted or whatever. That's a great way to get yourself killed.

The bumper sticker mentioned above is actually a great alternative to a camera (much more effective, IMHO).

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Post by Texanbybirth » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:48 am

No, you shouldn't. Like livesoft said, just pull over and let them pass if possible.

The idiots who are tailgating you will not be deterred by a dash cam. They're ignoramuses. If you're driving a fairly modern car, you should be safe from a minor fender bender if one of these goons with "big important things to do" gets too close.

There are way bigger things to get frustrated over than how other people drive.
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Post by bloom2708 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:50 am

Out of your control.

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Post by Teague » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:56 am

Tailgaters don't care. They just want to bully anyone going slower than them... They get away with it because it is hard to catch or do anything about.
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Post by livesoft » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:01 am

Try the following tactics:

Attribute to the tailgater some possible virtuous reason to tailgate: On another road their spouse is an ambulance on the way to the hospital about to give birth to a preemie.

Pretend the tailgater is a police cruiser with lights flashing trying to get to an accident up ahead on the road or a mass shooting at the high school
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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by stimulacra » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:06 am

Are you in the left lane when being tailgated?

If you are, I would move over to the right lane. Keep moving right.

People who treat the left lane as a personal highway are a minor pet peeve.

You should have a rear dashcam to document your side of the story in the event you ever get rear ended.

Using it to publicly shame someone will backfire on you. Left lane etiquette is a divisive issue.

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Post by Will do good » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:09 am

I doubt the tailgaters will see your little rear cam.
Stay off the left lane and keep up with the traffic flow, not just the speed limit.
If there's no car in front of you for a mile and 20 cars behind you, maybe you do need to keep up with the flow.

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Post by knightrider » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:18 am

It's a bit disappointing to read the people saying to just drive faster. Like I said in the first post, I am not in the left lane and I am not going slow.. Yet, folks think it is ok to tailgate to bully people to driving your speed. Anyways I won't be replying anymore in this thread.

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Post by averagedude » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:22 am

You need to find a new pet peeve so you can maintain your sanity. Focusing more on what is happening out of your windshield instead of the rearview mirror would make you a safer driver. This comes from someone who drives barely over the speed limit and gets passed all of the time.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by Rupert » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:25 am

knightrider wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:18 am
It's a bit disappointing to read the people saying to just drive faster. Like I said in the first post, I am not in the left lane and I am not going slow.. Yet, folks think it is ok to tailgate to bully people to driving your speed. Anyways I won't be replying anymore in this thread.
A lot of those posters are probably tailgaters themselves.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by tea_pirate » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:26 am

rh00p wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:51 am
El Greco wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:42 am
A lady in an old Toyota Corolla had a bumper sticker that said: "The closer you get, the slower I drive."
I saw one that said "My Brakes Are Good, How's Your Insurance?" Driving a larger truck or SUV gives you a slower sense of speed vs a smaller car. You can try a rear cam to protect you in case you're rear ended but don't brake check. They might have a dash cam.
I've switched from brake checking to engine braking for this reason. You slow down fast enough to annoy them into passing you, but there's virtually zero chance that it could be turned back on you if they hit you and had a dash cam, unlike brake checking.

I understand the people who tailgate left lane slowpokes. I do not understand the people who tailgate in moderate traffic. Are they trying to get you to tailgate the car in front of you, and they think this will cause a chain reaction of tailgating which miraculously leads to traffic miles ahead going faster? Once I've identified one of these drivers I amuse myself by messing with them on my commute since they're so utterly predictable. My favorite move is waiting for them to attempt a pass on the right to invade my safe following distance and get one car ahead, then closing the gap and waiting until the traffic behind me catches up, effectively trapping them in the slow lane for a bit. Oooooooops. :D

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by ttjt_99 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:31 am

It's called the speed limit for a reason. It's not the "go at least 10 mph over this speed" limit. If someone's tailgating you, then if there's a collision, they'll be at fault. Concentrate on the road ahead of you. I ride a motorcycle and don't like the idea of someone not looking ahead in order to see what's going on behind them.
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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by snackdog » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:34 am

Vehicle plays a signficant role in instance of tailgating. As someone said, trucks are less likely to be tailgated. On the other hand, if you drive a wagon, a minivan, a small car, or heaven forbid, a Prius, people will unwittingly perceive your vehicle as slow and try to push you.

Instead of a camera, how about these mud flaps? These would be badass on a Volvo wagon driven by a person wearing a hat.
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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by tea_pirate » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:38 am

Rupert wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:25 am
knightrider wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:18 am
It's a bit disappointing to read the people saying to just drive faster. Like I said in the first post, I am not in the left lane and I am not going slow.. Yet, folks think it is ok to tailgate to bully people to driving your speed. Anyways I won't be replying anymore in this thread.
A lot of those posters are probably tailgaters themselves.
No, it's probably just that the OP's choice words of "not going slow" combined with him complaining about being tailgated means that he's one of those drivers that sits in the center lane of a 3 lane highway with his cruise locked at exactly the speed limit. While technically legal, driving like that impedes traffic.

The safest course of action is to travel with the median speed of traffic. It doesn't matter if that's higher than the posted speed limit. Those drivers are statistically the least likely to be involved in collisions. If a driver does not feel comfortable traveling at the median speed, they should drive in the right lane going at least the speed limit, or stay off the road.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by tea_pirate » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:41 am

ttjt_99 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:31 am
It's called the speed limit for a reason. It's not the "go at least 10 mph over this speed" limit. If someone's tailgating you, then if there's a collision, they'll be at fault. Concentrate on the road ahead of you. I ride a motorcycle and don't like the idea of someone not looking ahead to see what's going on behind them.
This is what's wrong with the average driver today. They stare straight ahead and have no clue what's going on around them. You should have 100% knowledge of what's going on both ahead, to the side, and behind you. If you do not have the ability to develop a mental 360 degree image of what's going on around your car at all times, you are certainly a below average driver.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by MichCPA » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:45 am

sailaway wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:07 am
8foot7 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:02 am
sailaway wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:59 am
8foot7 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:55 am
We have a rampant problem around these parts of people going 10 under the speed limit on a clear sunny day. It is mostly minivans with distracted parents driving. In this case, yes, I will tailgate you. No, I'm not proud of it. But I have places to be. If you can't safely operate your vehicle at the approved limit of speed on this road when conditions warrant, then you shouldn't be driving. Rant over.

If you post this material online, you can open yourself up to liability for making defamatory comments unless all you post is the video with no additional commentary. Will your video have the speed limit, your current speed, and an estimate of the other vehicle's speed? If you have to use text or additional video to "explain" why you captured the video and what you think the offense is, you could be sued. I

I suppose if you just send this video to the police that there is no issue. But they're not going to do anything with your little dashcam video except throw it in the trash and move on to something more acute, let's be real.
You think people are going to sue you for calling you out for driving dangerously? I agree that the police won't follow up, but failing to leave a proper distance is an actual offense, driving slightly under the speed limit isn't.
I'm saying it could happen. Would it? Probably not. But one day you might happen to be in front of a lawyer having a bad afternoon and then he finds himself on a website...

Impeding traffic - "No person shall drive upon a highway at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, because of a grade, or compliance with the law" - is indeed an offense. When you're going 10 under and have a line of 20 cars behind you all wanting to go the speed limit, you are impeding the reasonable movement of traffic.
10 under is still reasonable, if not normal. Most highways post that impeding speed as 45mph.
Most states have keep right except to pass laws. Regardless of speed, if you aren't passing you don't have a right to use that lane and can be ticketed for obstruction. I can only speak for experience, but the only place I have driven where 10 under is normal is Indiana. Generally, the threshold seems to be speed limit +5 to avoid being tailgated on rural highways and cities vary significantly. Of course 5-10% of yahoos are the exception to this. Since a person actually crashing into the rear of the car is almost without exception considered responsible, I don't see a rear camera as necessary.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by livesoft » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:47 am

When I notice vehicles approaching fast in my rear view mirror I check whether I can safely get out of their way. If I can, then I use my turn signal well ahead of when they might be called tail gating and get out of their way. That also means that if there are no cars in front of me in my lane that I speed up to pass a car on my right in order to change lanes to the right to get out of their way.

It would be very unusual for me to change lanes if there was a vehicle in front of me at a safe distance and I had no safe way to change to the right lane. If it was safe to change to the left lane, then I assume the oncoming vehicle will switch to that lane unless they intend to turn right soon.

I will not drive in another vehicle's blind spot. I will not let them drive in my blind spot. I will not drive directly next to them unless forced to. If traffic is not crowded, I will not drive to block a faster vehicle from working their way through the other cars.

I will use my brain to fix these 4 situations. For instance, there are 3 cars on the highway. If two cars decide to drive the same speed right next to each other (maybe they even are using cruise control), then that is terrible and unsafe no matter what speed they are driving.
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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by Nicolas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:53 am

I’m also bothered by tailgaters but mostly on two-lane highways as I keep to the right on freeways except to pass. I drive the speed limit, that’s one reason I’m tailgated. (My last speeding ticket was in 1978). I’ve sometimes pulled over to let them go by based on my mood or if they’re really close. I never confront them in any way. I don’t pick fights with strangers. A lot of drivers are carrying now.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by smitcat » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:58 am

tea_pirate wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:26 am
rh00p wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:51 am
El Greco wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:42 am
A lady in an old Toyota Corolla had a bumper sticker that said: "The closer you get, the slower I drive."
I saw one that said "My Brakes Are Good, How's Your Insurance?" Driving a larger truck or SUV gives you a slower sense of speed vs a smaller car. You can try a rear cam to protect you in case you're rear ended but don't brake check. They might have a dash cam.
I've switched from brake checking to engine braking for this reason. You slow down fast enough to annoy them into passing you, but there's virtually zero chance that it could be turned back on you if they hit you and had a dash cam, unlike brake checking.

I understand the people who tailgate left lane slowpokes. I do not understand the people who tailgate in moderate traffic. Are they trying to get you to tailgate the car in front of you, and they think this will cause a chain reaction of tailgating which miraculously leads to traffic miles ahead going faster? Once I've identified one of these drivers I amuse myself by messing with them on my commute since they're so utterly predictable. My favorite move is waiting for them to attempt a pass on the right to invade my safe following distance and get one car ahead, then closing the gap and waiting until the traffic behind me catches up, effectively trapping them in the slow lane for a bit. Oooooooops. :D
Practices like these have no upside potential and a very real downside risk.

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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by azanon » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:06 pm

knightrider wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:21 am
I am wondering if a rear dashcam will help my frustration with tailgaters. It seems I can't drive more than a few miles before someone has to ride my tail to bully me to go faster. And no, I am not driving slow or blocking the passing lane. I thought to get some video recording device that would let me get the license plate number. With this plate number I could do one of three things:

1) Send to police ( probably will not do anything since no actual crime has been committed )
2) Upload to some website that tracks these plates in a database of aggressive drivers
3) Post on our local community forum to try and shame the person ( not sure if this might backfire on me )..

Curious to hear thoughts from others.
4) (If more than one lane, and in the right-most lane) - Completely let off the accelerator, and try to guess how fast you'll be going before they finally go around you (for entertainment purposes). I got down to 20 once on a 60mph before someone finally gave in and went around. Don't add brake though because that's dangerous and reckless.

Now if you're in the far left lane and someone caught you, time to speed up or change lanes to the right.
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Re: Should I get a rear dashcam to deal with tailgaters?

Post by FrugalInvestor » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:08 pm

What particularly irritates me are left-lane campers on an uncongested 4-lane road. I don't like to pass on the right because it's against the law, at least where I live. I have no problem with someone going under the speed limit (or at the speed limit where the flow of traffic is faster) but they should be aware of what's going on around them and move over when another vehicle is approaching from the rear.

If drivers would abide by the rules of the road traffic would usually flow much more smoothly and predictably. It's obvious that many either don't know or care.
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