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End of an era - Boeing 727

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by Stinky » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:17 pm

T'hanks for the link. I knew that I hadn't seen one in the US for a while . . . . .

Back in the day, I took many a flight for business on a 727.
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Post by nisiprius » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:27 pm

Always liked that plane. That's the one where it looked as if the wing was coming completely apart during a landing, right? And got off the ground really quick on takeoff?
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Post by shunkman » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:33 pm

My very first jet flight was aboard an Eastern Airlines B727. I think I was around 10 years old. A beautiful aircraft indeed.

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Post by RightGuard » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:51 pm

Fantastic airplane.

Fast, quiet if you're at the front :wink: , aft integrated stairs for fast unloading, the triple slotted flaps made configuring for landing looked like a mechanical rubix cube. APU to run the air conditioning at po-dunk airports by the day...

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by tim1999 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:21 pm

D. B. Cooper’s plane of choice.

Lots of good memories flying on these as a kid on TWA. Last few rows were a noise torture chamber, but you felt the power. FedEx flew them into my local regional airport until they were retired. They donated one to a local maintenance training program and it still sits at the airport.

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Post by ClevrChico » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:45 pm

Fast, classic jets. I remember a flight where the captain made up a considerable amount of time so we wouldn't miss a connection. Maybe it was all in my head, but I remember the wind noise made it seem like we were going exceptionally quick.

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Post by catdude » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:28 pm

The 747 was also recently retired, wasn't it? Another classic Boeing jet. But the 737 keeps chugging along, it'll still be around decades from now.
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Post by MtnBiker » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:58 pm

My most memorable flights in a 727:

1) Was on board the last aircraft (Northwest 727) to depart from Washington National before it shut down on the morning of February 11, 1983 as the Megalopolitan Blizzard of February 10-12, 1983 paralyzed the region. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ca ... ac599effc3

2) Shortest commercial jet flight (United 727) from Oakland Intl Airport to San Francisco Intl Airport. It took about 15 minutes of vectoring around to merge with the SFO incoming traffic. I always enjoyed riding United when they had Air Traffic Control as one of the on-board listening channels.
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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by Kenkat » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:08 pm

I live on the flight path of CVG/Cincinnati Airport. We are right at the edge of the 5 mile restriction zone. We mostly get arrivals, but occasionally departures as well. When we first moved in in the late 90’s, we would get the occasional 727 taking off. Loud as hell, left a big smoke trail behind. We would also get big L1011’s come over as well. Big and loud. Did I mention loud?

747’s are still used for Cargo - those come over the house occasionally, usually with either DHL, Atlas, Polar or Amazon Prime markings. Quite the impressive beasts. Still not as loud as the 727 though. Jet engine technology has become significantly more quiet. Some of the smaller and newer regional jets are very quiet by comparison.

Flew on a TWA 727 to St. Louis in the late 80’s as well.

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by catdude » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:16 pm

nisiprius wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:27 pm
And got off the ground really quick on takeoff?
I thought it was the 707 that basically went vertical immediately after takeoff???
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Post by sandramjet » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:26 pm

catdude wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:16 pm
nisiprius wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:27 pm
And got off the ground really quick on takeoff?
I thought it was the 707 that basically went vertical immediately after takeoff???
It seemed that way at the time, but in reality, the current big twins (777, 787) can really climb much faster than these planes. The engines on the twins are powerful enough to climb on just one engine, so at full thrust with both engines they can really climb...

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by TheGreyingDuke » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:31 pm

shunkman wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:33 pm
My very first jet flight was aboard an Eastern Airlines B727. I think I was around 10 years old. A beautiful aircraft indeed.
First post-infant flight was in 1964, flew by myself for a spring break weekend in Florida, Eastern Airlines 727, "The Whisperjet".
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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by iamlucky13 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:46 pm

I've always had an affinity for tri-motors. The Ford is probably my favorite, but the 727 certainly has a place in my heart, too.

I never had a chance to ride on one, but a few years back, the Museum of Flight flew the very first one built from their restoration center to the museum itself, and I was able to watch. I was disappointed they didn't remove the hush kits from the engines for the final flight. However, there was a decent side wind during the takeoff, and her center engine saluted us with a nice, loud compressor stall, as it had a reputation for doing in side winds.
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The 747 was also recently retired, wasn't it? Another classic Boeing jet. But the 737 keeps chugging along, it'll still be around decades from now.
There are still several hundred 747's flying, and the cargo version is still in production.

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Post by catdude » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:18 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:46 pm
catdude wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:28 pm
The 747 was also recently retired, wasn't it? Another classic Boeing jet. But the 737 keeps chugging along, it'll still be around decades from now.
There are still several hundred 747's flying, and the cargo version is still in production.
Ahh, I stand corrected. :oops: IIRC the story I saw indicated that the last of the passenger 747's was retired by Delta...
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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by mister_sparkle » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:40 pm

No U.S. passenger carriers operate the 747 anymore, but several foreign carriers still do. Plus it's a popular variant for cargo operations. New 747s are actually being made, to this date!

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Post by Ron » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:55 pm

catdude wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:28 pm
The 747 was also recently retired, wasn't it?
Nope; we fly a (passenger) 747-8 a couple of times a year when using Lufthansa to go between Newark and Frankfurt.

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Post by Wakefield1 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:17 am

Smokey and somewhat sluggish to climb out when loaded (but may have been due to noise reduction requirement power reduction) but sounded like a real jet! Last one I saw I think was in 2005 coming out of National Reagan DC airport
BAC 111 made even more noise however-almost like some kind of fighter-rather small compared to today's planes-was first commercial jet allowed into National?
think DC 10 might have been capable of some of the most impressive climbouts and was eerily quiet compared to other jet aircraft-but may have been subject to more engine explosions due to being new technology engine (GE) at the time (shared with C5 military giant plane?)

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Post by dpm321 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:02 am

catdude wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:28 pm
The 747 was also recently retired, wasn't it? Another classic Boeing jet. But the 737 keeps chugging along, it'll still be around decades from now.
747 is still used around the world, though mostly as freighters.

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

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iamlucky13 wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:46 pm
I've always had an affinity for tri-motors. The Ford is probably my favorite, but the 727 certainly has a place in my heart, too.


I flew in a Ford Trimotor a few years ago. It flies just like an oversized Piper Cub.

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Post by corn18 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:24 am

Another interesting fact about the 727: it generated more wake turbulence than a 747 (or any other airplane). The clean wing configuration allowed for some serious vortices to be generated from the wingtips when it was in the takeoff/landing configuration. Hellofa ride if you were trailing one too close.
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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by Cheyenne » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:35 am

shunkman wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:18 am
iamlucky13 wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:46 pm
I've always had an affinity for tri-motors. The Ford is probably my favorite, but the 727 certainly has a place in my heart, too.


I flew in a Ford Trimotor a few years ago. It flies just like an oversized Piper Cub.
I flew in a Stinson tri-motor (like the Ford) and to my surprise the engine gauges are located out on the engine nacelles. The pilot looks through the side window to read the oil pressure and temperature. Hey, keep it simple.

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by sport » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:51 am

Kenkat wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:08 pm
I live on the flight path of CVG/Cincinnati Airport. We are right at the edge of the 5 mile restriction zone. We mostly get arrivals, but occasionally departures as well. When we first moved in in the late 90’s, we would get the occasional 727 taking off. Loud as hell, left a big smoke trail behind. We would also get big L1011’s come over as well. Big and loud. Did I mention loud?
In 1968, I lived near Wright Patterson Air Force Base. There were loaded B-52s taking off. They did not follow any noise abatement rules, and they did not climb very fast. Now that was LOUD.

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by dm200 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:54 am

I recall that, back decades ago, some passengers would leave the plane by the rear stairs.

I first flew on a 727 in 1966 - American Airlines.

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by dm200 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:56 am

catdude wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:28 pm
The 747 was also recently retired, wasn't it? Another classic Boeing jet. But the 737 keeps chugging along, it'll still be around decades from now.
Years ago, a Boeing engineer told me that Boeing developed and produced the 737 as a temporary stopgap to compete with the DC9. Yes - the 737 model/series keeps on going after so many decades.

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catdude wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:28 pm
The 747 was also recently retired, wasn't it? Another classic Boeing jet. But the 737 keeps chugging along, it'll still be around decades from now.
It was retired by US based airlines. The last flight was last year by United out of SFO, I believe. I just booked a flight on British airways JFK to LHR, and managed to get a 747 for the outbound. We are going with my 3 year old, and I think it would be great for him to have flown on a 747. Fortunately, I didn't have to pay extra to get a 747, since it was available for the same price as other flights.

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

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Cheyenne wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:35 am
shunkman wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:18 am
iamlucky13 wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:46 pm
I've always had an affinity for tri-motors. The Ford is probably my favorite, but the 727 certainly has a place in my heart, too.


I flew in a Ford Trimotor a few years ago. It flies just like an oversized Piper Cub.
I flew in a Stinson tri-motor (like the Ford) and to my surprise the engine gauges are located out on the engine nacelles. The pilot looks through the side window to read the oil pressure and temperature. Hey, keep it simple.

I did not realize that Stinson made a trimotors also. I had to Wiki this as I thought that they only made single-engine aircraft.

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by dm200 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:03 am

Do not fly much these days, but over the years I had the experience of flying in -

B707
B727
B737
B747
B757
B767
DC8 - stretch
DC9
B717 (from MD)
MD80 and MD90 series
DC10
L1011

several different Airbus narrow body

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by dm200 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:03 am

dm200 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:03 am
Do not fly much these days, but over the years I had the experience of flying in -

B707
B727
B737
B747
B757
B767
DC8 - stretch
DC9
B717 (from MD)
MD80 and MD90 series
DC10
L1011
Electra (shuttle)

several different Airbus narrow body

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

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dm200 wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:03 am
Do not fly much these days, but over the years I had the experience of flying in -

B707
B727
B737
B747
B757
B767
DC8 - stretch
DC9
B717 (from MD)
MD80 and MD90 series
DC10
L1011

several different Airbus narrow body
Talking only of (mostly)Retired models;
All of the above except for the L1011; additionally
DC3 (San Pedro Sula to Roatan, 1970 or so)
DC4 (New York to Miami, 1948
DC6
DC7
Constellation (backup on Newark-DC shuttle in the 1960s
BAE 146 (high mounted 4 engine commuter jet)
and a bunch of propeller commuter models
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Post by mptfan » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:40 am

Kenkat wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:08 pm
747’s are still used for Cargo - those come over the house occasionally, usually with either DHL, Atlas, Polar or Amazon Prime markings. Quite the impressive beasts.
747's are also still flown by Virgin Atlantic.

Amazon flies their own planes now? 747s? Wow.
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sport wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:51 am
Kenkat wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:08 pm
I live on the flight path of CVG/Cincinnati Airport. We are right at the edge of the 5 mile restriction zone. We mostly get arrivals, but occasionally departures as well. When we first moved in in the late 90’s, we would get the occasional 727 taking off. Loud as hell, left a big smoke trail behind. We would also get big L1011’s come over as well. Big and loud. Did I mention loud?
In 1968, I lived near Wright Patterson Air Force Base. There were loaded B-52s taking off. They did not follow any noise abatement rules, and they did not climb very fast. Now that was LOUD.
Yes, years ago I worked on Hill AFB in Ogden, UT for a couple of weeks on an Air Force project and got to see a B-52 take off. That was something I won’t forget.

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

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Kenkat wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:40 am
sport wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:51 am
Kenkat wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:08 pm
I live on the flight path of CVG/Cincinnati Airport. We are right at the edge of the 5 mile restriction zone. We mostly get arrivals, but occasionally departures as well. When we first moved in in the late 90’s, we would get the occasional 727 taking off. Loud as hell, left a big smoke trail behind. We would also get big L1011’s come over as well. Big and loud. Did I mention loud?
In 1968, I lived near Wright Patterson Air Force Base. There were loaded B-52s taking off. They did not follow any noise abatement rules, and they did not climb very fast. Now that was LOUD.
Yes, years ago I worked on Hill AFB in Ogden, UT for a couple of weeks on an Air Force project and got to see a B-52 take off. That was something I won’t forget.
Ah yes, the B-52. I used to work with a B-52 pilot who flew it in the era when it carried the jet powered, nuclear Hound Dog standoff missile. The Hound Dogs, 1 per wing, were plumbed so that they could be run at takeoff together with the 8 turbojets of the plane itself, for a total of 10 engines running! I would have liked to see that.

Then there was the B-36, which had to be really big to carry the early versions of nuclear weapons. It had both propellers and jets. 8-)

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Post by jpelder » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:03 pm

A Continental Airlines 727 was the first jetliner I ever flew on (a tiny ATR-42 turboprop was the first airplane I flew on). The tri-jet era is petering out...

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Re: End of an era - Boeing 727

Post by MathWizard » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:09 pm

Typ997S wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:00 pm
Kenkat wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:40 am
sport wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:51 am
Kenkat wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:08 pm
I live on the flight path of CVG/Cincinnati Airport. We are right at the edge of the 5 mile restriction zone. We mostly get arrivals, but occasionally departures as well. When we first moved in in the late 90’s, we would get the occasional 727 taking off. Loud as hell, left a big smoke trail behind. We would also get big L1011’s come over as well. Big and loud. Did I mention loud?
In 1968, I lived near Wright Patterson Air Force Base. There were loaded B-52s taking off. They did not follow any noise abatement rules, and they did not climb very fast. Now that was LOUD.
Yes, years ago I worked on Hill AFB in Ogden, UT for a couple of weeks on an Air Force project and got to see a B-52 take off. That was something I won’t forget.
Ah yes, the B-52. I used to work with a B-52 pilot who flew it in the era when it carried the jet powered, nuclear Hound Dog standoff missile. The Hound Dogs, 1 per wing, were plumbed so that they could be run at takeoff together with the 8 turbojets of the plane itself, for a total of 10 engines running! I would have liked to see that.

Then there was the B-36, which had to be really big to carry the early versions of nuclear weapons. It had both propellers and jets. 8-)
The B-36 had to be big just to carry the fuel.
It could fly from the US to Europe, deliver its payload, and return to the US without refueling.

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