USPS price increase on 1/27/19

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USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by neilpilot » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:56 am

As most of you know, the USPS has increased the cost of a first class letter by 10% effective January 27, 2019. While we use very few stamps, others may consider stocking up on forever stamps before postage goes from $0.50 to $0.55.

While I suspect this is widely known, I haven't seen it discussed much here.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by Alexa9 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:03 am

I haven't mailed a letter in years, but good to know.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by go_mets » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:05 am

I still mail letters and packages.

10% increase is non-trivial given the number of packages I mail each year.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by GoldStar » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:08 am

Thanks for the heads up.
If I remember I will pick up a new book of forever stamps when running errands (not sure how many I have left in the last book). One book will last me the next 5 years as its rare anything needs to be mailed these days.
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by sport » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:14 am

If you want to maximize this strategy, Costco sells 100 forever stamps for $49.75.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by RickBoglehead » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:16 am

go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:05 am
I still mail letters and packages.

10% increase is non-trivial given the number of packages I mail each year.

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OP said nothing about package costs increasing... They are, but not 10%, except for heavier packages, which are actually going down (not shown in link provided below).

First class postage, for a 1 ounce letter, goes up from $0.50 to $0.55.
The 2nd ounces goes down from $0.21 to $0.15.
No change to First Class flats / large envelopes.
No change to postcard rates.

https://about.usps.com/news/national-re ... 18_086.htm


Also, PayPal provides discounted postage (for anything, you log in and print the postage).

In addition, buying postage for a package online at USPS.com provides a discount.
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by an_asker » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:22 am

neilpilot wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:56 am
As most of you know, the USPS has increased the cost of a first class letter by 10% effective January 27, 2019. While we use very few stamps, others may consider stocking up on forever stamps before postage goes from $0.50 to $0.55.

While I suspect this is widely known, I haven't seen it discussed much here.
Wow thanks! That's an immediate return of 10% on the money. I'll let family know :-)

Is there such a thing as 'double the first class rate' stamps? I mean, let's say I need to mail something heavier and current cost is, say, four times that of a first class stamp. How would I pay for it on 1/28/2019 if I were to use the forever stamps? In other words, instead of sticking four such forever stamps - if the conversion holds - can I purchase a 'four times forever' stamp so I need to stick only one of them on 1/28/2019?

TLDR:

- will one forever stamp purchased today be the equivalent of $0.55 of postage on 1/28/2019 or is it valid only for a standard sized and weighted first class letter?
- is there a separate forever postage option for (I know about international so this question is not about those) heavier postage, say 2 oz or 3 oz etc?

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by GoldStar » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am

For folks that think this is a huge money saver - what is it that you are mailing?
Even if you are still sending Christmas cards and Thank-you notes via snail mail that shouldn't be very often.

If you still mailing bills via snail-mail you shouldn't be. It is less secure and costing you money.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by goaties » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:56 am

an_asker wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:22 am

- will one forever stamp purchased today be the equivalent of $0.55 of postage on 1/28/2019 or is it valid only for a standard sized and weighted first class letter?
- is there a separate forever postage option for (I know about international so this question is not about those) heavier postage, say 2 oz or 3 oz etc?
I purchased a few books (lifetime supply!) of forevers when they first came out at maybe 41? cents. Anyway, they represent the current forever-stamp value. So if you were to mail a small parcel which needed $2.75 in postage, just affix five forevers on it (after Jan 28, that is).

I don't think they sell other denominations of forevers. Someone will correct me, I'm sure, if that's not the case.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by TravelGeek » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:57 am

goaties wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:56 am
I don't think they sell other denominations of forevers. Someone will correct me, I'm sure, if that's not the case.
Not sure if this is what you mean by denominations, but there are also international forever stamps (officially called Global Forever Stamps). Current price: $1.15

https://www.usps.com/international/firs ... tional.htm
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by go_mets » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:58 am

RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:16 am
go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:05 am
I still mail letters and packages.

10% increase is non-trivial given the number of packages I mail each year.

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OP said nothing about package costs increasing... They are, but not 10%, except for heavier packages, which are actually going down (not shown in link provided below).

First class postage, for a 1 ounce letter, goes up from $0.50 to $0.55.
The 2nd ounces goes down from $0.21 to $0.15.
No change to First Class flats / large envelopes.
No change to postcard rates.

https://about.usps.com/news/national-re ... 18_086.htm


Also, PayPal provides discounted postage (for anything, you log in and print the postage).

In addition, buying postage for a package online at USPS.com provides a discount.
Except for mailing 1 ounce letters, the packages I mainly mail are those that are about 2-3 ounces in 6"x9" padded envelopes.
I don't see any mention of that in your link except the phrase First-Class Package Service, a lightweight expedited offering used primarily by businesses for fulfillment purposes, will move to zone-based pricing to better align with the cost of service and improve value based on distance.
Not sure what the new pricing scheme will be. Right now, it costs me $3.50.

I see that the Priority Mail flat-rate padded envelope is increasing from $7.25 to $8.00 which is 10.34%
I use them to mail Amazon tablets or Rokus.

It looks like I need to invest in a scale.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by RickBoglehead » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:04 am

A First Class Forever stamp has the value of whatever First Class, 1 ounce, postage is at the time you go to mail. How you choose to use it (letter, package), is up to you. When postage when down a penny, these actually LOST value.

No, there is no 2 ounce or 3 ounce Forever stamp. As noted, since the 2nd ounce when down from $0.21 to $0.15 (a 28.6% decrease), that would be a very bad investment anyway.

Forever stamps started on March 26, 2007, at $0.41. So, while goaties only paid $0.41 nearly 12 years ago, that investment yield a 34% return, as compared to the market yielded a much better return...
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by Jack FFR1846 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am

GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am
For folks that think this is a huge money saver - what is it that you are mailing?
Even if you are still sending Christmas cards and Thank-you notes via snail mail that shouldn't be very often.

If you still mailing bills via snail-mail you shouldn't be. It is less secure and costing you money.
I would love to be able to ACH to everyone. Every month, I send tuition. The choice is to mail a check or to drive to the business office of the school and hand them a check.

Only 4 times a year, but my property tax can only be paid by check/cash or using ACH or credit card online for a 3.95% convenience fee. I can also drive to the town hall and hand them a check.

I've paid estimated federal and state taxes this year. So there's 8 more. Same story...I could pay by credit card online and pay whatever their fee is.

I do have other services I've paid for where they do not accept any credit or charge a high fee in order to use it (all that I've asked say 3.95%). I'm not about to pay 3.95% on a $35k bill to save 50 cents.
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by exigent » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:14 am

GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:08 am
Thanks for the heads up.
If I remember I will pick up a new book of forever stamps when running errands (not sure how many I have left in the last book). One book will last me the next 5 years as its rare anything needs to be mailed these days.
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by RickBoglehead » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:17 am

go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:58 am

Except for mailing 1 ounce letters, the packages I mainly mail are those that are about 2-3 ounces in 6"x9" padded envelopes.
I don't see any mention of that in your link except the phrase First-Class Package Service, a lightweight expedited offering used primarily by businesses for fulfillment purposes, will move to zone-based pricing to better align with the cost of service and improve value based on distance.
Not sure what the new pricing scheme will be. Right now, it costs me $3.50.

I see that the Priority Mail flat-rate padded envelope is increasing from $7.25 to $8.00 which is 10.34%
I use them to mail Amazon tablets or Rokus.

It looks like I need to invest in a scale.

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I cannot imagine shipping frequently without a scale. If you're doing any volume shipping, you're doing it more expensively than you need to:

You are paying $7.25 for a Priority Mail flat-rate padded envelope today. Via PayPal, that's $7.10.

A 3 ounce first class package in a padded envelope, via First-Class Mail Parcel Service on PayPal, is $2.66 for 3 ounces vs. your $3.50.
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by smitcat » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:21 am

GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am
For folks that think this is a huge money saver - what is it that you are mailing?
Even if you are still sending Christmas cards and Thank-you notes via snail mail that shouldn't be very often.

If you still mailing bills via snail-mail you shouldn't be. It is less secure and costing you money.
We mail for our business(s) for the most part.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by GoldStar » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:24 am

Jack FFR1846 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am
GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am
For folks that think this is a huge money saver - what is it that you are mailing?
Even if you are still sending Christmas cards and Thank-you notes via snail mail that shouldn't be very often.

If you still mailing bills via snail-mail you shouldn't be. It is less secure and costing you money.
I would love to be able to ACH to everyone. Every month, I send tuition. The choice is to mail a check or to drive to the business office of the school and hand them a check.

Only 4 times a year, but my property tax can only be paid by check/cash or using ACH or credit card online for a 3.95% convenience fee. I can also drive to the town hall and hand them a check.

I've paid estimated federal and state taxes this year. So there's 8 more. Same story...I could pay by credit card online and pay whatever their fee is.

I do have other services I've paid for where they do not accept any credit or charge a high fee in order to use it (all that I've asked say 3.95%). I'm not about to pay 3.95% on a $35k bill to save 50 cents.
I am surprised your University and Town don't have on-line bill pay options without fees - it would save them money as well. For me - in these cases - I would pay a fee for a credit card - but I don't pay anything for ACH from my checking account to either the Universities where my kids attend nor to my town (for property taxes, water/trash bills).

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by batpot » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:31 am

Get stamps from ebay when they have a 10-20% off coupons.
They're usually current face value, or slightly above.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by an_asker » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:14 pm

Jack FFR1846 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am
[...]
I do have other services I've paid for where they do not accept any credit or charge a high fee in order to use it (all that I've asked say 3.95%). I'm not about to pay 3.95% on a $35k bill to save 50 cents.
But surely you wouldn't mind saving $0.05 on that postage? ;-)

PS: With DS with one foot out the door for undergrad, I was hoping that we could pay with credit card and get some points. But not with a 3.95% fee! :oops:

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by an_asker » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:15 pm

GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:24 am
Jack FFR1846 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am
[...]I do have other services I've paid for where they do not accept any credit or charge a high fee in order to use it (all that I've asked say 3.95%). I'm not about to pay 3.95% on a $35k bill to save 50 cents.
I am surprised your University and Town don't have on-line bill pay options without fees - it would save them money as well. For me - in these cases - I would pay a fee for a credit card - but I don't pay anything for ACH from my checking account to either the Universities where my kids attend nor to my town (for property taxes, water/trash bills).
I think his point is that the University charges 3.95% for the privilege of putting down $35k on the credit card. I would think that's not worth it, wouldn't you?

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by go_mets » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:05 pm

RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:17 am
go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:58 am

Except for mailing 1 ounce letters, the packages I mainly mail are those that are about 2-3 ounces in 6"x9" padded envelopes.
I don't see any mention of that in your link except the phrase First-Class Package Service, a lightweight expedited offering used primarily by businesses for fulfillment purposes, will move to zone-based pricing to better align with the cost of service and improve value based on distance.
Not sure what the new pricing scheme will be. Right now, it costs me $3.50.

I see that the Priority Mail flat-rate padded envelope is increasing from $7.25 to $8.00 which is 10.34%
I use them to mail Amazon tablets or Rokus.

It looks like I need to invest in a scale.

.
I cannot imagine shipping frequently without a scale. If you're doing any volume shipping, you're doing it more expensively than you need to:

You are paying $7.25 for a Priority Mail flat-rate padded envelope today. Via PayPal, that's $7.10.

A 3 ounce first class package in a padded envelope, via First-Class Mail Parcel Service on PayPal, is $2.66 for 3 ounces vs. your $3.50.
99.99% of items I am mailing are not sold on eBay and paid with Paypal.
So the discount via Paypal is not applicable.
I am not doing this as a business.

In the future I may make this a business by buying at auctions and turning around and selling them on eBay.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by neilpilot » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:14 pm

Jack FFR1846 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am

I've paid estimated federal and state taxes this year. So there's 8 more. Same story...I could pay by credit card online and pay whatever their fee is.
Assuming your federal tax is in the USA, you can easily make 1040ES payments online using ACH, without incurring any fees.
https://www.irs.gov/payments/direct-pay

I don't know about your state tax, but both of the 2 states that I've paid estimated tax to in the past also accept ACH online without any additional fee.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by GoldStar » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:15 pm

an_asker wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:15 pm
GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:24 am
Jack FFR1846 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am
[...]I do have other services I've paid for where they do not accept any credit or charge a high fee in order to use it (all that I've asked say 3.95%). I'm not about to pay 3.95% on a $35k bill to save 50 cents.
I am surprised your University and Town don't have on-line bill pay options without fees - it would save them money as well. For me - in these cases - I would pay a fee for a credit card - but I don't pay anything for ACH from my checking account to either the Universities where my kids attend nor to my town (for property taxes, water/trash bills).
I think his point is that the University charges 3.95% for the privilege of putting down $35k on the credit card. I would think that's not worth it, wouldn't you?
I agree the 3.95% is not worth it. My point was that I am surprised that a University or Town would charge for a Checking Account ACH Transfer. With 2 Universities PLUS with my Town - if I click on the online "Credit Card" payment - there is indeed a charge. HOWEVER, if I click on the "checking account' payment option - the charge goes away. Sorry my point wasn't clear to you. If you are seeing a charge/convenience-fee/etc. - make sure it isn't just for credit card payment. I avoid the stamps, risk of mail loss, and security issues involved with paper checks by paying these bills via a direct payment from my checking account (and with no fee).

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by RickBoglehead » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:32 pm

go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:05 pm


99.99% of items I am mailing are not sold on eBay and paid with Paypal.
So the discount via Paypal is not applicable.
I am not doing this as a business.

In the future I may make this a business by buying at auctions and turning around and selling them on eBay.

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Not correct. You can generate a postage label from PayPal no matter what you are shipping, or for what reason. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/shipping-center
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by alpenglow » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:37 pm

Unfortunately, we still use quite a bit of stamps on the kids' birthday party invitations and thank yous. Christmas cards too. I'd sure love to phase those out.

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Post by SurfCityBill » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:05 pm

Stamps have become such a non-issue. Used to use 10 a month, now less than 10 a year, although we do still send a handful of Xmas cards.

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Post by Thesaints » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:12 pm

Buying a stamp on the 26th and using it to mail on the 27th will turn into an annualized gain in excess of a million of billions percent !!!

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by SquawkIdent » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:18 pm

neilpilot wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:56 am
As most of you know, the USPS has increased the cost of a first class letter by 10% effective January 27, 2019. While we use very few stamps, others may consider stocking up on forever stamps before postage goes from $0.50 to $0.55.

While I suspect this is widely known, I haven't seen it discussed much here.
Thanks for the heads up. Even though I use very few of them, I’ll stock up. :sharebeer
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Post by SchruteB&B » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:21 pm

neilpilot wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:14 pm
Jack FFR1846 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am

I've paid estimated federal and state taxes this year. So there's 8 more. Same story...I could pay by credit card online and pay whatever their fee is.
Assuming your federal tax is in the USA, you can easily make 1040ES payments online using ACH, without incurring any fees.
https://www.irs.gov/payments/direct-pay

I don't know about your state tax, but both of the 2 states that I've paid estimated tax to in the past also accept ACH online without any additional fee.
I find there are still a suprising number of bills I can not pay online without a fee but definitely use the direct pay IRS for estimated taxes! Very easy. Our state also has fee free online payment for state estimated taxes.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by Jim180 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:57 pm

I guess people don't have much reason to gripe anymore because a person can purchase enough stamps to last a lifetime since the forever stamps came into existence, making future rates increases meaningless when mailing first class letters.

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Post by Broken Man 1999 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:24 pm

Jim180 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:57 pm
I guess people don't have much reason to gripe anymore because a person can purchase enough stamps to last a lifetime since the forever stamps came into existence, making future rates increases meaningless when mailing first class letters.
I have three Forever Stamps left from a few years past purchase. So I just ordered 100, should last a couple of years. Christmas cards are the major use, this year we really received a lot more, so I'm hopeful the trend continues.

I order them online, costs $1.25 in postage for sales up to $50. Beats going to the P.O.

Many years ago you could buy stamps from the mail deliverers. Not so today I guess.

I have a scale and a nice stash of different value stamps I use to mail other than First Class items. I sometimes receive an item with enough postage on it to have been used to mail several things.


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Post by RickBoglehead » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:47 pm

Broken Man 1999 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:24 pm

Many years ago you could buy stamps from the mail deliverers. Not so today I guess.
We still can from our carrier. Did it a year or two ago. Took 3 tries to get the right denominations...
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Post by Broken Man 1999 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:44 pm

RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:47 pm
Broken Man 1999 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:24 pm

Many years ago you could buy stamps from the mail deliverers. Not so today I guess.
We still can from our carrier. Did it a year or two ago. Took 3 tries to get the right denominations...
Well, I haven't tried in a few years, but we do have a great mail lady, so I'll ask her. A few months ago I mailed a book over the 13 oz limit using stamps, and she took it to the PO and re-mailed it for me with a USPS tracking label, making it legal. Told me about it the next day.

Believe it or not, we have only had two mail deliverers since 1980 except for days they were off/vacations. One retired years ago, and I have to believe our current one won't be delivering too much longer.

Can't complain about bad service, we haven't had any, but I know our good service isn't necessarily received elsewhere. I've heard some crazy tales that happened to others.

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Post by nisiprius » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:50 pm

neilpilot wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:56 am
As most of you know, the USPS has increased the cost of a first class letter by 10% effective January 27, 2019. While we use very few stamps, others may consider stocking up on forever stamps before postage goes from $0.50 to $0.55.

While I suspect this is widely known, I haven't seen it discussed much here.
Thanks for the tip. Picked up a roll of 100 today.
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Post by RudyS » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:18 pm

RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:04 am
A First Class Forever stamp has the value of whatever First Class, 1 ounce, postage is at the time you go to mail. How you choose to use it (letter, package), is up to you. When postage when down a penny, these actually LOST value.

No, there is no 2 ounce or 3 ounce Forever stamp. As noted, since the 2nd ounce when down from $0.21 to $0.15 (a 28.6% decrease), that would be a very bad investment anyway.

Forever stamps started on March 26, 2007, at $0.41. So, while goaties only paid $0.41 nearly 12 years ago, that investment yield a 34% return, as compared to the market yielded a much better return...
There ARE "additional ounce" forever stamps. But, they will drop in cost from 21 cents to 15 cents. This is called timing the market.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by go_mets » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:34 pm

RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:32 pm
go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:05 pm


99.99% of items I am mailing are not sold on eBay and paid with Paypal.
So the discount via Paypal is not applicable.
I am not doing this as a business.

In the future I may make this a business by buying at auctions and turning around and selling them on eBay.

.
Not correct. You can generate a postage label from PayPal no matter what you are shipping, or for what reason. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/shipping-center
That's good to know, but you won't find me giving Paypal more of money than I need to!

Many years ago they cost me $40 in overdraft fees due to their error.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by RickBoglehead » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:36 pm

go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:34 pm
RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:32 pm
go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:05 pm


99.99% of items I am mailing are not sold on eBay and paid with Paypal.
So the discount via Paypal is not applicable.
I am not doing this as a business.

In the future I may make this a business by buying at auctions and turning around and selling them on eBay.

.
Not correct. You can generate a postage label from PayPal no matter what you are shipping, or for what reason. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/shipping-center
That's good to know, but you won't find me giving Paypal more of money than I need to!

Many years ago they cost me $40 in overdraft fees due to their error.
You charge the postage to your credit card directly...
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by Nestegg_User » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:54 pm

criticalmass wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:16 pm
sunny_socal wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:10 am
That's ok. Eventually they'll reach price parity with UPS/Fedex at which point the USPS can just die and go away. Crappy customer service and slow shipping. It gives me hives to even think about standing in line at the post office.

It's one of the many government-run entities that should be shut down.
Since the thread is about Forever first class letter stamps, UPS and Fedex would provide daily letter pickup and delivery to every address in the United States 6 days a week (5 for businesses)? Plus military bases and ships worldwide? Don’t bet on it, and not for 50 or 55¢ each.

By the way, you can buy your Forever Stamps at any location (like a supermarket) and drop your letters in any mailbox. No need to go inside a post office, even if there is a line.

By the way, the post office largely funds itself, except for some very rural post offices. Much of the financial stress they face is due to legacy pension costs. And while many government entities are shutdown, the post office continues to work, using its own revenue and budget.
...actually, not quite
they are actually having to pre-fund their pension costs (unlike regular federal agencies ...and DEFINITELY not like normal business's) https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/finan ... _4_002.htm
{off soap box}

...and the postal service is very often the "last mile" in the chain of delivery for F€dEx in rural areas (they are for smaller items here) as that often is some of the most expensive costs as those rural areas take quite a bit of time (cost is then salaries plus mileage costs, which get offloaded to the USPS).

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by barber » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:39 am

Ebay offers Forever stamps @ .35 minimum of 500

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by cheese_breath » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:20 am

OH MY GOSH!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: WHAT AM I GONNA DO??? First Starbucks and now USPS. :( :( :(
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by 2015 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:32 pm

SurfCityBill wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:05 pm
Stamps have become such a non-issue. Used to use 10 a month, now less than 10 a year, although we do still send a handful of Xmas cards.
This. In the digital age, the last thing I want are Xmas cards. It means I have to dig out whatever stamps I have from the bottom of (or maybe in back of) the socks drawer stamp it on a card and send one back. I'm down to maybe 3 analog (paper) cards a year. I don't communicate anymore via U.S. mail.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by Yooper16 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:52 pm

criticalmass wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:16 pm
sunny_socal wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:10 am
That's ok. Eventually they'll reach price parity with UPS/Fedex at which point the USPS can just die and go away. Crappy customer service and slow shipping. It gives me hives to even think about standing in line at the post office.

It's one of the many government-run entities that should be shut down.
Since the thread is about Forever first class letter stamps, UPS and Fedex would provide daily letter pickup and delivery to every address in the United States 6 days a week (5 for businesses)? Plus military bases and ships worldwide? Don’t bet on it, and not for 50 or 55¢ each.

By the way, you can buy your Forever Stamps at any location (like a supermarket) and drop your letters in any mailbox. No need to go inside a post office, even if there is a line.

By the way, the post office largely funds itself, except for some very rural post offices. Much of the financial stress they face is due to legacy pension costs. And while many government entities are shutdown, the post office continues to work, using its own revenue and budget.
Should also be mentioned on the delivery, especially for rural routes, that even if there were no mail for the 1 house on the side road(happens a lot in farm areas) the carrier is required to drive to that house to check if there is any outgoing mail. Can also be a single page ad that will require the carrier to go to that house.

My spouse is a retired carrier, same route for 35 years and there were areas that were the single house on a mile long road, as it was in the farming areas. Can't see Fed-ex or UPS or anyone being able to provide the same door to door service.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by Yooper16 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:56 pm

GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am
For folks that think this is a huge money saver - what is it that you are mailing?
Even if you are still sending Christmas cards and Thank-you notes via snail mail that shouldn't be very often.

If you still mailing bills via snail-mail you shouldn't be. It is less secure and costing you money.

We still mail everything--- figure why bite the hand that fed/feeds us.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by GoldStar » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:57 am

Yooper16 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:56 pm
GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am
For folks that think this is a huge money saver - what is it that you are mailing?
Even if you are still sending Christmas cards and Thank-you notes via snail mail that shouldn't be very often.

If you still mailing bills via snail-mail you shouldn't be. It is less secure and costing you money.

We still mail everything--- figure why bite the hand that fed/feeds us.
Are you a postal worker? Otherwise what do you mean by the hand that feeds you?

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by cheese_breath » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:02 am

GoldStar wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:57 am
Yooper16 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:56 pm
GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am
For folks that think this is a huge money saver - what is it that you are mailing?
Even if you are still sending Christmas cards and Thank-you notes via snail mail that shouldn't be very often.

If you still mailing bills via snail-mail you shouldn't be. It is less secure and costing you money.

We still mail everything--- figure why bite the hand that fed/feeds us.
Are you a postal worker? Otherwise what do you mean by the hand that feeds you?
(S)he said above spouse is a retired carrier.
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by Yooper16 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:26 am

GoldStar wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:57 am
Yooper16 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:56 pm
GoldStar wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am
For folks that think this is a huge money saver - what is it that you are mailing?
Even if you are still sending Christmas cards and Thank-you notes via snail mail that shouldn't be very often.

If you still mailing bills via snail-mail you shouldn't be. It is less secure and costing you money.

We still mail everything--- figure why bite the hand that fed/feeds us.
Are you a postal worker? Otherwise what do you mean by the hand that feeds you?
Yeah--spouse is a retired rural carrier. His father and grandfather were rural carriers. My grandfather was a city carrier in Champagne Il and before that he had a rural route. At the time my grandfather was a rural carrier, the Post Master job for that county/area was a patronage job. You had to purchase your route from the Post Master. He also purchased the horse and buggy from the previous carrier. Apparently the horse was well trained or smart enough to precisely know the route and when to turn.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by sperry8 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:21 am

RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:32 pm
go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:05 pm


99.99% of items I am mailing are not sold on eBay and paid with Paypal.
So the discount via Paypal is not applicable.
I am not doing this as a business.

In the future I may make this a business by buying at auctions and turning around and selling them on eBay.

.
Not correct. You can generate a postage label from PayPal no matter what you are shipping, or for what reason. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/shipping-center
Good to know!
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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by go_mets » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:33 am

RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:36 pm
go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:34 pm
RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:32 pm
go_mets wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:05 pm


99.99% of items I am mailing are not sold on eBay and paid with Paypal.
So the discount via Paypal is not applicable.
I am not doing this as a business.

In the future I may make this a business by buying at auctions and turning around and selling them on eBay.

.
Not correct. You can generate a postage label from PayPal no matter what you are shipping, or for what reason. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/shipping-center
That's good to know, but you won't find me giving Paypal more of money than I need to!

Many years ago they cost me $40 in overdraft fees due to their error.
You charge the postage to your credit card directly...
You are not understanding me.

Because of a past incident, I refuse to use Paypal unless absolutely necessary which means I use it because the other party uses it.


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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by deskjockey » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:41 am

RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:32 pm

Not correct. You can generate a postage label from PayPal no matter what you are shipping, or for what reason. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/shipping-center
I don't see that option available to me once I log in and open the "get started" button in the page linked above. That page has info on how to create a shipping label, but the option is not where the page claims to be in the "My Activity" page. I have a plain vanilla "customer" PayPal account. I'm thinking this is only an option available to those who have the "upgraded" business account.

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Re: USPS price increase on 1/27/19

Post by RickBoglehead » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:03 pm

deskjockey wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:41 am
RickBoglehead wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:32 pm

Not correct. You can generate a postage label from PayPal no matter what you are shipping, or for what reason. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/shipping-center
I don't see that option available to me once I log in and open the "get started" button in the page linked above. That page has info on how to create a shipping label, but the option is not where the page claims to be in the "My Activity" page. I have a plain vanilla "customer" PayPal account. I'm thinking this is only an option available to those who have the "upgraded" business account.
I do not have an upgraded business account, and I use PayPal shipping all the time.

Try this link: https://www.paypal.com/signin?returnUri ... D_ship-now
go_mets wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:33 am

You are not understanding me.

Because of a past incident, I refuse to use Paypal unless absolutely necessary which means I use it because the other party uses it.
I do understand you. You had a bad experience with PayPal on a transaction with another party. I get it. I was trying to convey that this isn't a transaction like that, it's Postage. You put in the recipients info, it shows you the price (which is lower than the USPS or UPS most times), and then buy the postage and immediately print the label. Done.

If you don't even want to do that, I understand. Just explaining it's not a buyer and seller transaction, it's a purchase of postage.
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