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smart locks - schlage vs. august vs. something else

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Anyone have smart locks and can provide feedback on Schlage sense and August pro or suggest a better alternative?

The features I desire are:
1. keypad with the ability to assign temporary codes remotely using an app.
2. app that tracks who is accessing the lock.
3. physical lock is able to be re-keyed by a non-professional so that all locks on the house use the same physical key.

Bonus - if there a good doorbell/camera that integrates with the lock app.

I am not interested in the auto lock/unlock feature offered by August or the touch to open offered by kwikset kevo (although being able to use a fob, as can be done with kevo, to open the lock would be desirable). I ruled out kwikset because they don't seem to offer a smart lock with a keypad that can be monitored by the app.

From my research so far, it looks like the August pro smart lock meets the 3 desires if combined with kwikset deadbolts because the kwikset locks can be easily rekeyed by a homeowner with zero handyman skills. The down side is that the keypad is not integrated with the lock, can be easily stolen, and seems to have mixed reviews on reliability. Plus side is that august sells a doorbell with camera and offers free storage of recordings for 24 hours.

It looks like the Schlage meets all 3 of the desires, except that rekeying the locks seems to require taking the lock apart. requires a separate re-key kit, and is much more advanced than rekeying a kwikset lock. Looks like it can be done by a homeowner with moderate handyman skills.

Edited: Right now I am leaning towards August with Kwikset deadbolts for the ease of rekeying the physical lock and because I like that the doorbell includes 24 hours of free recording and a relatively inexpensive 30 days of storage upgrade. However, I much prefer the Schlage look (both the look of the keypad and the traditional look of the interior deadbolt vs. August pro's round futuristic appearance) and don't anticipate needing to rekey the physical lock often.
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c1over8 wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:04 am Anyone have smart locks and can provide feedback on Schlage sense and August pro or suggest a better alternative?

The features I desire are:
1. keypad with the ability to assign temporary codes remotely using an app.
2. app that tracks who is accessing the lock.
3. physical lock is able to be re-keyed by a non-professional so that all locks on the house use the same physical key.

Bonus - if there a good doorbell/camera that integrates with the lock app.

I am not interested in the auto lock/unlock feature offered by August or the touch to open offered by kwikset kevo (although being able to use a fob, as can be done with kevo, to open the lock would be desirable). I ruled out kwikset because they don't seem to offer a smart lock with a keypad that can be monitored by the app.

From my research so far, it looks like the August pro smart lock meets the 3 desires if combined with kwikset deadbolts because the kwikset locks can be easily rekeyed by a homeowner with zero handyman skills. The down side is that the keypad is not integrated with the lock, can be easily stolen, and seems to have mixed reviews on reliability. Plus side is that august sells a doorbell with camera and offers free storage of recordings for 24 hours.

It looks like the Schlage meets all 3 of the desires, except that rekeying the locks seems to require taking the lock apart. requires a separate re-key kit, and is much more advanced than rekeying a kwikset lock. Looks like it can be done by a homeowner with moderate handyman skills.

Edited: Right now I am leaning towards August with Kwikset deadbolts for the ease of rekeying the physical lock and because I like that the doorbell includes 24 hours of free recording and a relatively inexpensive 30 days of storage upgrade. However, I much prefer the Schlage look (both the look of the keypad and the traditional look of the interior deadbolt vs. August pro's round futuristic appearance) and don't anticipate needing to rekey the physical lock often.
We used the Schlage keypad/deadbolt locks on our rental cabins.
But when we installed them, we didn't yet have Internet, so we never set up the monitoring, etc. (We later added a security camera that showed the exterior doors.)
We had the housekeepers change the lock codes at each cleaning between rentals.

They worked very well, with plenty of warning when a battery needed to be changed. It was relatively easy to change the battery, but when we once needed to re-key, we called a locksmith.
They worked well in rather severe weather year-round... very cold winters and some very hot summers.

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We have had this one for six years and it has been great https://www.schlage.com/en/home/product ... ENFFF.html

Connected to Samsung smartthings hub.
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We have used the Schlage locks for years. Very reliable. But we have never connected them to the internet. The best defense against hacking is not to be connected in the first place.
Yes, I’m really that pedantic.
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Get a ring doorbell for continuous powered monitoring.

I use a schlage key pad and lock.

I would like separate systems for both.
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quantAndHold wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:00 pm We have used the Schlage locks for years. Very reliable. But we have never connected them to the internet. The best defense against hacking is not to be connected in the first place.
Unless someone needs complete monitoring (and some may), the keypads allow extra codes.
Thus, one can give someone a code at the last minute, without any sudden new code added.
True, that wouldn't delete the code right after the person left, but if that is a serious concern, perhaps that person shouldn't be allowed in your home unescorted from the start...?

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ResearchMed wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:45 pm
quantAndHold wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:00 pm We have used the Schlage locks for years. Very reliable. But we have never connected them to the internet. The best defense against hacking is not to be connected in the first place.
Unless someone needs complete monitoring (and some may), the keypads allow extra codes.
Thus, one can give someone a code at the last minute, without any sudden new code added.
True, that wouldn't delete the code right after the person left, but if that is a serious concern, perhaps that person shouldn't be allowed in your home unescorted from the start...?

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Exactly. On our locks, I always have an extra code set up that isn't assigned to anyone. IIRC, the locks allow 19 codes. If I need to give out a code in a hurry, I just tell them the code that's already set up. Then delete it after they leave, and create a new unassigned code.
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quantAndHold wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:53 pm
ResearchMed wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:45 pm
quantAndHold wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:00 pm We have used the Schlage locks for years. Very reliable. But we have never connected them to the internet. The best defense against hacking is not to be connected in the first place.
Unless someone needs complete monitoring (and some may), the keypads allow extra codes.
Thus, one can give someone a code at the last minute, without any sudden new code added.
True, that wouldn't delete the code right after the person left, but if that is a serious concern, perhaps that person shouldn't be allowed in your home unescorted from the start...?

RM
Exactly. On our locks, I always have an extra code set up that isn't assigned to anyone. IIRC, the locks allow 19 codes. If I need to give out a code in a hurry, I just tell them the code that's already set up. Then delete it after they leave, and create a new unassigned code.
We had several extra codes. Thus if some maintenance person (or housekeeping other than the supervisor or such) needed to get in, we wouldn't have to give someone else the same code if we couldn't get the code changed fast enough.

Now, this was a remotely managed rental, not our residence.
Also, we had to allow for the possibility that the supervisor didn't enter the code correctly, so backups were useful.
(We also had three external doors, not counting the garage, so IF one failed, the guest could always go to another door, even thought it might not have been shoveled in deep snow, etc.)

The locks worked remarkably well, given very heavy usage over quite a few years.
We never had to replace one, which was a surprise.

We thought about putting in a Medeco cylinder in each, but decided that wasn't necessary.

We have thought about adding one of these for our own home recently, and figure we'll make that decision after we lock ourselves out some day :annoyed
And we do have Medeco locks, so that could be unpleasant/costly.

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Thanks for the input everyone. I hadn't thought of just setting up extra codes to have on hand. Great idea.
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unclescrooge wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:00 pm Get a ring doorbell for continuous powered monitoring.

I use a schlage key pad and lock.

I would like separate systems for both.
quantAndHold wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:00 pm We have used the Schlage locks for years. Very reliable. But we have never connected them to the internet. The best defense against hacking is not to be connected in the first place.
ronno2018 wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:10 pm We have had this one for six years and it has been great https://www.schlage.com/en/home/product ... ENFFF.html

Connected to Samsung smartthings hub.
Research Med mentioned having the Schlage locks professionally rekeyed. Have any of you rekeyed them yourself?

unclescrooge - would you please explain why you prefer separate systems?
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c1over8 wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:27 am
unclescrooge wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:00 pm Get a ring doorbell for continuous powered monitoring.

I use a schlage key pad and lock.

I would like separate systems for both.
quantAndHold wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:00 pm We have used the Schlage locks for years. Very reliable. But we have never connected them to the internet. The best defense against hacking is not to be connected in the first place.
ronno2018 wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:10 pm We have had this one for six years and it has been great https://www.schlage.com/en/home/product ... ENFFF.html

Connected to Samsung smartthings hub.
Research Med mentioned having the Schlage locks professionally rekeyed. Have any of you rekeyed them yourself?

unclescrooge - would you please explain why you prefer separate systems?
Redundancy.

Is the battery dies on your lock it doesn't stop the monitoring of your front door.
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c1over8 wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:04 am Anyone have smart locks and can provide feedback on Schlage sense and August pro or suggest a better alternative?

The features I desire are:
1. keypad with the ability to assign temporary codes remotely using an app.
2. app that tracks who is accessing the lock.
3. physical lock is able to be re-keyed by a non-professional so that all locks on the house use the same physical key.

Bonus - if there a good doorbell/camera that integrates with the lock app.

I am not interested in the auto lock/unlock feature offered by August or the touch to open offered by kwikset kevo (although being able to use a fob, as can be done with kevo, to open the lock would be desirable). I ruled out kwikset because they don't seem to offer a smart lock with a keypad that can be monitored by the app.

From my research so far, it looks like the August pro smart lock meets the 3 desires if combined with kwikset deadbolts because the kwikset locks can be easily rekeyed by a homeowner with zero handyman skills. The down side is that the keypad is not integrated with the lock, can be easily stolen, and seems to have mixed reviews on reliability. Plus side is that august sells a doorbell with camera and offers free storage of recordings for 24 hours.

It looks like the Schlage meets all 3 of the desires, except that rekeying the locks seems to require taking the lock apart. requires a separate re-key kit, and is much more advanced than rekeying a kwikset lock. Looks like it can be done by a homeowner with moderate handyman skills.

Edited: Right now I am leaning towards August with Kwikset deadbolts for the ease of rekeying the physical lock and because I like that the doorbell includes 24 hours of free recording and a relatively inexpensive 30 days of storage upgrade. However, I much prefer the Schlage look (both the look of the keypad and the traditional look of the interior deadbolt vs. August pro's round futuristic appearance) and don't anticipate needing to rekey the physical lock often.
We went with Schlage and love it.
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Have had the Schlage for a year and love it - extra codes are great for extended family members, friends, and contractors/workers as needed. Lock is very well built, we had the local police come by for a home security check up and they approved of the deadbolt and strike plate. Apple HomeKit integration is excellent and connectivity has never been an issue - also battery life is good, just changed them for the first time after a year. One annoyance is the alarm (if someone tries to force the door) is next to useless and basically sounds like a cellphone ringer muffled under a couch cushion.
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I wouldn't use anything from kwikset or using kwikset parts. Schlage or Best, yes -- but my experience is with critical infrastructure facilities more than residences.

I also wouldn't connect any of my security to the internet -- too many opportunities for problems there, and security software in general seems to be a bit shaky. Unless you really know what you're doing and can probably protect that connection, it's just an invitation for people who do know what they're doing.

I would be even more concerned with a Bluetooth capable lock -- too easy to sniff at a distance and it has to be constantly available to be useful.
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