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Quitting w/o notice

Post by gpburdell » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:32 pm

So, I don't want to go in alot of detail, but I've made up mind to quit my job. I've been stressed out for the last 4-6 months and having panic attacks, waking up at night, etc. The majority of it is my job and part having to deal with my dad being very sick.

I have emergency funds for almost a year; more if I cut down my monthly discretionary expenses. Worst case I have multiple years of expenses in IRA/401k.

I'm planning to resign this week and I'm trying to decide is if I should give 2 weeks notice or not. I've always given 2 weeks in the past (if not more) and always thought it standard practice.

Things came to ahead last week which pushed me over the edge and now thinking of just quitting immediately as I can't take it anymore.

Is it really that bad to quit w/o notice? I know the usual reasons to give it etc. Just wanting to get some feedback from everyone. thanks

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by David Jay » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:35 pm

It is very poor form if you expect to return to the job market.

My company has a policy that says “no recommendation” for someone who leaves without proper notice and an exit interview. So it can impact you down the road.
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Post by ClevrChico » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:37 pm

I've given more than two weeks notice, only to have jealous employees/manager treat me poorly. I wouldn't sweat it if you're employed at will. Leave if you need to.

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Post by ThankYouJack » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:37 pm

You may burn some bridges and make it tougher to get your next job.

Could you use some sick time or PTO this week, maybe seek professional help for your panic attacks and insomnia and then reassess after you get some time off?

Wish you the best!

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Post by 123 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:48 pm

Do you have enough vacation that you can go on vacation and then give notice while you're on "vacation"?

You could give two weeks notice and then just not show up for those two weeks. Some employers might not make any effort to "fire" you in those circumstances because they you're gone just the same (they could just handle it as unauthorized absence/leave without pay). If an employer decides to "fire" you they put themselves at risk for other issues.

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BETTER IDEA: Ask your employer for leave under the federal Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA). Medical issues with a parent qualifies as well as your own serious condition. While on leave you can resign with the two weeks notice. Note that FMLA only provides for absence from work, it does not provide directly for any continuation of compensation. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/benefits-leave/fmla
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by snowman9000 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:55 pm

Speaking as a former employer, the two weeks notice thing is overrated.
If your boss is anything like I was, he/she might just give you the two weeks' pay and tell you to go on home. I never liked having some lame duck hang around who was at all disgruntled. No good ever came of that.

Note: At least in my state, if you give two weeks' notice and they tell you you're done but don't give you the pay for the notice period, then they've fired you and you can probably collect unemployment.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by dm200 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:58 pm

gpburdell wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:32 pm
So, I don't want to go in alot of detail, but I've made up mind to quit my job. I've been stressed out for the last 4-6 months and having panic attacks, waking up at night, etc. The majority of it is my job and part having to deal with my dad being very sick.

I have emergency funds for almost a year; more if I cut down my monthly discretionary expenses. Worst case I have multiple years of expenses in IRA/401k.

I'm planning to resign this week and I'm trying to decide is if I should give 2 weeks notice or not. I've always given 2 weeks in the past (if not more) and always thought it standard practice.

Things came to ahead last week which pushed me over the edge and now thinking of just quitting immediately as I can't take it anymore.

Is it really that bad to quit w/o notice? I know the usual reasons to give it etc. Just wanting to get some feedback from everyone. thanks
I know exactly how you feel... Been there...

Try to get some personal/family emotional support for the next two weeks, give notice and hope they let you leave early.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by Archimedes » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:00 pm

It is very poor form to quit without notice. If you are struggling deeply with stress, talk to your supervisor and at least attempt to work out the details of an exit plan in a collaborative fashion. It would clearly be much better if you can come up with a mutually agreed upon plan. I am thinking that if you were able to tolerate the challenges of this position in the past, you likely have the strength to tough it out for 2 more weeks to leave with your reputation intact.

On a personal level, I have found that once I know that the light is at the end of the tunnel, the stress abates greatly. I once "quit" a job due to stress when I had been working over 100 hours per week. I told my employer I just couldn't do it anymore and was at the breaking point. The employer advised that I go home and get some rest before making any final decisions. I basically slept for a couple of days to catch up, and then decided to go back and stick things out. The knowledge that I had the guts to "quit" if needed helped reduce the psychological stress of the overwhelming workload.

For you, once you give notice and know you are out in 2 weeks, the stress level may abate substantially.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by jadedfalcons » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:34 pm

As a business owner, it's very poor form to quit with no notice. Employees doing that have put me in critical binds in the past, and if you have had this job for any length of time, you'll either have to put down a job where you will get a poor reference, or your resume will show that you spent some time unemployed. Easier to put in the courtesy of two weeks and see what happens from there, but knowing that you're on your way out will relieve a lot of stress.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by HEDGEFUNDIE » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:35 pm

Will you quitting with no notice impact any ongoing work? If so I would at least create a transition plan to hand over to your boss when you quit.

Otherwise, it’s at-will employment, you are free to leave at-will.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm

gpburdell wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:32 pm
So, I don't want to go in alot of detail, but I've made up mind to quit my job. I've been stressed out for the last 4-6 months and having panic attacks, waking up at night, etc. The majority of it is my job and part having to deal with my dad being very sick.

I have emergency funds for almost a year; more if I cut down my monthly discretionary expenses. Worst case I have multiple years of expenses in IRA/401k.

I'm planning to resign this week and I'm trying to decide is if I should give 2 weeks notice or not. I've always given 2 weeks in the past (if not more) and always thought it standard practice.

Things came to ahead last week which pushed me over the edge and now thinking of just quitting immediately as I can't take it anymore.

Is it really that bad to quit w/o notice? I know the usual reasons to give it etc. Just wanting to get some feedback from everyone. thanks
Free country: check.
At will employment: check.

Show up in the morning, tell them you are out, and walk away.

There is literally nothing they can do about it.

If they want to pay for the next two weeks, that's fine.

Think of the reverse situation: if they wanted to get rid of you, they will do it on the spot, with a security escort.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm

HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:35 pm
If so I would at least create a transition plan to hand over to your boss when you quit.
Why?
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:39 pm

jadedfalcons wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:34 pm
As a business owner ...
I stopped reading right there.

As a business owner, you don't get a say in this situation.

An employee who is fed up is diametrically opposed to your position as far as incentives go.

If they need him, they can hire him on a 1099 for twice or three times the pay.
I have seen it happen.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:40 pm

Archimedes wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:00 pm
It is very poor form to quit without notice. If you are struggling deeply with stress, talk to your supervisor and at least attempt to work out the details of an exit plan in a collaborative fashion. It would clearly be much better if you can come up with a mutually agreed upon plan. I am thinking that if you were able to tolerate the challenges of this position in the past, you likely have the strength to tough it out for 2 more weeks to leave with your reputation intact.

On a personal level, I have found that once I know that the light is at the end of the tunnel, the stress abates greatly. I once "quit" a job due to stress when I had been working over 100 hours per week. I told my employer I just couldn't do it anymore and was at the breaking point. The employer advised that I go home and get some rest before making any final decisions. I basically slept for a couple of days to catch up, and then decided to go back and stick things out. The knowledge that I had the guts to "quit" if needed helped reduce the psychological stress of the overwhelming workload.

For you, once you give notice and know you are out in 2 weeks, the stress level may abate substantially.
Looks like you got connned.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by whodidntante » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:40 pm

You should set boundaries, things you are willing to do. Not standoffish, unreasonable boundaries, but reasonable boundaries. And don't go beyond that. You might need to inform one or two people what those boundaries are. No job should be able to trigger panic attacks. If you do that, it might not even be necessary to quit, but at least it should be possible to give notice if you do that.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:41 pm

snowman9000 wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:55 pm
Speaking as a former employer, the two weeks notice thing is overrated.
Golden.

Notice how the people advocating for 'two weeks notice' have not a single valuable measurable incentive for the op.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by Jazzysoon » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:42 pm

I agree with other posters that giving 2 weeks is better if you are going to be looking for work in the future. If you go this route the bs will be ALOT more tolerable since you know you won't be around. Plus it will give you time to say goodbye, usually there are some great people we work with over time, but mgmt/politics are what make the stress.

BUT at my company they were doing layoffs like crazy in 2017 and they did not give those people 2 weeks, just walked them out sameday, so it goes both ways.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by Whakamole » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:43 pm

I have worked for employers where, if you said that you were going to work for certain competitors, they would walk you out the door that day, regardless of how much notice you wanted to give.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by 8foot7 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:44 pm

I think one can endure almost anything for two weeks, and exiting honorably with your head held high could well improve your situation and prospects for what’s next.

Exceptions would be if you’re getting personally excoriated by a superior, are the victim of sexual or any other kind of harassment, doctor says leave immediately, etc.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by jadedfalcons » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:47 pm

AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:39 pm
jadedfalcons wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:34 pm
As a business owner ...
I stopped reading right there.

As a business owner, you don't get a say in this situation.
While I find your response to be quite rude, I'll be the better person and point out that I had two jobs prior to being self employed where I knew I was one of the better workers, and gave four weeks notice at both of those jobs. Twice the customary two weeks.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by EddyB » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:51 pm

David Jay wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:35 pm
It is very poor form if you expect to return to the job market.

My company has a policy that says “no recommendation” for someone who leaves without proper notice and an exit interview. So it can impact you down the road.
I’m so glad my company has a policy of “no recommendation” in any case!

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by Mike Scott » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:58 pm

Call in sick for a few days, see a doctor and then see if this is still what you want.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by TallBoy29er » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:58 pm

Bail. Be done. Leave for your health, And do not look back.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by graeme » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:59 pm

Several local companies nearby have a policy of viewing anyone giving notice as a security and/or liability risk. As soon as anyone gives notice, they're escorted by security to their vehicle without any chance to even return to their desk. This is an 'at will' employment state.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by HEDGEFUNDIE » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:00 pm

AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:35 pm
If so I would at least create a transition plan to hand over to your boss when you quit.
Why?
Professional reference down the road

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by unclescrooge » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:05 pm

jadedfalcons wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:34 pm
As a business owner, it's very poor form to quit with no notice. Employees doing that have put me in critical binds in the past, and if you have had this job for any length of time, you'll either have to put down a job where you will get a poor reference, or your resume will show that you spent some time unemployed. Easier to put in the courtesy of two weeks and see what happens from there, but knowing that you're on your way out will relieve a lot of stress.
I depends on the sort of work. Some jobs are hard to fill even with 6 months notice, while some just require a warm body.

I've given same day notice and after explaining the situation, my boss asked me to keep in touch and let him know if I ever wanted a job. He also sent a Facebook request a couple of years later!

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by z3r0c00l » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:06 pm

AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm

Think of the reverse situation: if they wanted to get rid of you, they will do it on the spot, with a security escort.
My company gave us a month's warning before layoffs were to take effect. I know that is rare, but that kind of thing helps with employee loyalty. No one stole anything or spoke to the press, we just had time to find new jobs before leaving.

We wouldn't think of giving less than two weeks warning, as both management and staff believe in a common purpose and sense of community.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by One Ping » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:10 pm

jadedfalcons wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:34 pm
As a business owner, it's very poor form to quit with no notice.
Just curious, if in an at will state where employers prefer employees to give 2 weeks notice, do they give employees 2 weeks notice when they are let go?

Just wondering frequently that happens.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by leeks » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:14 pm

AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:35 pm
If so I would at least create a transition plan to hand over to your boss when you quit.
Why?
Loyalty to the coworkers who will have to pick up the slack?
Desire for a recommendation in the future?
Reputation in the industry?

There are plenty of reasons not to completely burn the bridge when leaving an employer. I've always given as much notice as I could and helped with a transition if applicable because I felt a sense of ownership over the work I did and loyalty to the people with whom I worked. That has been true across many types of jobs from waitressing to skilled professional work. There was one position I left because we moved, but I ended up commuting back to another state on a few weekends to help train my replacement (it had only been a 6-month temp position, but I felt loyalty to the organization and to my boss, and was paid for it of course). I left on at least decent terms (but mostly very positive terms) with all my former bosses and keep in touch occasionally with the most recent ones to maintain those professional relationships. I have on several occasions been told by a new employer that they were impressed not only by what my references had to say but also that they had responded so promptly to reference calls. I can't imagine caring so little for the work you do or the people you work with to walk out without notice.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:19 pm

leeks wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:14 pm
AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:35 pm
If so I would at least create a transition plan to hand over to your boss when you quit.
Why?
Loyalty to the coworkers who will have to pick up the slack?
Desire for a recommendation in the future?
Reputation in the industry?
-> Loyalty to the coworkers who will have to pick up the slack?
No evidence has been provided that OP has loyalty to co-workers.

-> Desire for a recommendation in the future?
Most companies prohibit employees from providing recommendation (lawsuit danger).
Most companies WILL verify employment using some robotic channels.

-> Reputation in the industry?
Some industries have millions of rank-and-file employees. Do you think they keep reputation databases?
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:20 pm

z3r0c00l wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:06 pm
AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm

Think of the reverse situation: if they wanted to get rid of you, they will do it on the spot, with a security escort.
My company gave us a month's warning before layoffs were to take effect. I know that is rare, but that kind of thing helps with employee loyalty. No one stole anything or spoke to the press, we just had time to find new jobs before leaving.

We wouldn't think of giving less than two weeks warning, as both management and staff believe in a common purpose and sense of community.
Certainly, when there is trust established in bit-by-bit basis, you can return the favor.
However, OP has not provided any evidence of this.

For all we know, serving the 2 weeks might give him a heart attack and he might die.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:21 pm

HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:00 pm
AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:35 pm
If so I would at least create a transition plan to hand over to your boss when you quit.
Why?
Professional reference down the road
Overrated and unavailable.

100% of the co-workers who are with the same (former for me) companies that have served with me WILL not provide professional references because these are prohibited by company policy.

As for co-workers who are not longer with the same companies (that we served together), I think some of them will provide references.
Best part is: I get to choose who to ask.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by ERISA Stone » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:23 pm

I just had a related situation. I had an employee quit in February and gave me one day notice. She applied for a job we posted last week and before she was contacted, proactively sent us an email indicating why she gave a one day notice, basically, she was in a tough spot mentally. I told her I couldn't in good conscious hire her back, knowing how she treated our company and our clients.

Do you have the right to quit without notice? Absolutely. I hope it doesn't come back to bite you. I have a saying - when someone tells you (shows you) who they are, believe them.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:23 pm

jadedfalcons wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:47 pm
AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:39 pm
jadedfalcons wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:34 pm
As a business owner ...
I stopped reading right there.

As a business owner, you don't get a say in this situation.
While I find your response to be quite rude, I'll be the better person and point out that I had two jobs prior to being self employed where I knew I was one of the better workers, and gave four weeks notice at both of those jobs. Twice the customary two weeks.

My response is not rude. It simply captures the game theoretic considerations of the problem.
You are diametrically opposed to OPs incentives, needs, interests, and health.

If his choice is to satisfy your preferences at heavy cost to his health, what do you think his parents or his family would say?

As for your two jobs: I am sorry to say, but that is on you.
Plenty of people do things that are not in their best interest. Advising others to do so is bad advice. Please stop giving out bad advice.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by jabberwockOG » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:23 pm

The honorable thing to do is go in on Monday and resign effective in two weeks. Then if truly necessary for your mental and physical health call in sick as many days as necessary. That is the honorable thing to do. If you are not ill and can work, close out your projects or assist in transitioning them to another employee.

Unless you are a critical employee on a critical project/task, in most cases many employers will tell you to close out your work, turn in your gear, pack up and be gone within a couple of days of giving notice.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:25 pm

jabberwockOG wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:23 pm
The honorable thing to do is go in on Monday and resign effective in two weeks. Then if truly necessary for your mental and physical health call in sick as many days as necessary. That is the honorable thing to do.

Unless you are a critical employee on a critical project/task, in most cases many employers will tell you to close out your work, turn in your gear, pack up and be gone within a couple of days of giving notice.
Do you know what is the price of honor in today's cut-throat industries?
Let me know when you find out.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by UpperNwGuy » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:25 pm

Give the two weeks notice.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by celia » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:26 pm

Mike Scott wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:58 pm
Call in sick for a few days, see a doctor and then see if this is still what you want.
+1
You don't sound irresponsible or lazy. You have 2 very good reasons for not continuing to work there. So call in sick tomorrow, see someone in mental health to confirm your feelings, then go on family leave. Visit your dad if you need to.

After you have some space from work, if you still feel the same, give 2 weeks notice (while on family leave) saying you probably can't return until you take care of some things.

This is more graceful and acceptable than just quitting on the spot. Your record will then show you had to take a Family Leave rather than you just got up and left. This is much much better when looking for future work. The end effect is the same, but the documentation will be better.

(You might want to see someone in the behaviorial health field since your FMLA request may need a recommendation/note by a doctor.)

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by jabberwockOG » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:27 pm

AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:25 pm
jabberwockOG wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:23 pm
The honorable thing to do is go in on Monday and resign effective in two weeks. Then if truly necessary for your mental and physical health call in sick as many days as necessary. That is the honorable thing to do.

Unless you are a critical employee on a critical project/task, in most cases many employers will tell you to close out your work, turn in your gear, pack up and be gone within a couple of days of giving notice.
Do you know what is the price of honor in today's cut-throat industries?
Let me know when you find out.
Honor is about your individual behavior regardless of what anyone else does or says, and yes it means being willing to pay a price if necessary sometimes for doing the right thing based on your own principles.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:28 pm

jabberwockOG wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:27 pm
AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:25 pm
jabberwockOG wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:23 pm
The honorable thing to do is go in on Monday and resign effective in two weeks. Then if truly necessary for your mental and physical health call in sick as many days as necessary. That is the honorable thing to do.

Unless you are a critical employee on a critical project/task, in most cases many employers will tell you to close out your work, turn in your gear, pack up and be gone within a couple of days of giving notice.
Do you know what is the price of honor in today's cut-throat industries?
Let me know when you find out.
Honor is about your individual behavior regardless of what anyone else does or says.
And there is no honor among (corporate) thieves.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by z3r0c00l » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:30 pm

AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:20 pm
z3r0c00l wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:06 pm
AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm

Think of the reverse situation: if they wanted to get rid of you, they will do it on the spot, with a security escort.
My company gave us a month's warning before layoffs were to take effect. I know that is rare, but that kind of thing helps with employee loyalty. No one stole anything or spoke to the press, we just had time to find new jobs before leaving.

We wouldn't think of giving less than two weeks warning, as both management and staff believe in a common purpose and sense of community.
Certainly, when there is trust established in bit-by-bit basis, you can return the favor.
However, OP has not provided any evidence of this.

For all we know, serving the 2 weeks might give him a heart attack and he might die.
Similar to renters who never trust their landlords and so use the deposit for the last month's rent, so the landlords never trust renters because people keep using the deposit for the last month's rent. I don't think giving 2 weeks warning makes you a victim. Take sick time or vacation if needed but it is the ethical thing to do and reflects on you, not them.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by HEDGEFUNDIE » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:31 pm

AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:21 pm
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:00 pm
AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:38 pm
HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:35 pm
If so I would at least create a transition plan to hand over to your boss when you quit.
Why?
Professional reference down the road
Overrated and unavailable.

100% of the co-workers who are with the same (former for me) companies that have served with me WILL not provide professional references because these are prohibited by company policy.

As for co-workers who are not longer with the same companies (that we served together), I think some of them will provide references.
Best part is: I get to choose who to ask.
Yes I’m talking about the latter case. Assuming OP has a good relationship with his boss otherwise, why kill the relationship unnecessarily?

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:33 pm

There are some recommendations here that are correctly advising to milk any possible short-term and long-term disability programs.

It is very hard for mentally vulnerable people to play the disability cat-and-mouse tricks.
But if OP is in a position to do so (short and long term disability plans exists, he is subscribed, and can successfully navigate), then those are good recommendations.

Considerations include:
- short-term disability includes waiting period (could be days, could be a couple of weeks),
- long-term disability includes waiting period (can be in short-term during that time),
- pay is percentage of your salary (50,60,80),
- would be easy to get a couple of weeks, maybe 4 weeks. After that (dead-beat) insurance company will fight tooth and nail for reducing or eliminating the benefit, arguing that no disability exists,
- and if you wanted to twist the knife a bit hard, while it is sticking in your corporate employer, sign-up for 1-year FMLA, which, even unpaid, will ensure that your position is available to you for 1 entire year. Let them sweat a bit.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by AlphaLess » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:34 pm

HEDGEFUNDIE wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:31 pm
Yes I’m talking about the latter case. Assuming OP has a good relationship with his boss otherwise, why kill the relationship unnecessarily?
An employee who is having a panic attacks having a good relationship with the manager?
Probably easier to find a unicorn.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by srt7 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:46 pm

OP,

2 weeks (or whatever time period) notices are total B.S., if you're on at-will employment agreement. Recommendations needn't be only from your past employer, they can be from your co-workers or your past to past employers/co-workers etc. Also, don't confuse this with "employment verification" ... which is what your future employer needs from your current one. Employment verification is nothing more than your title, dates of employment, type of employment. That's it. Anything more and you get to sue them. So don't sweat that 2 weeks notice stuff.

BUT ... I would highly recommend that you squeeze it out before you leave. They've made life a living hell for you for 4 to 6 months and you're just going to walk away from a golden opportunity of giving them 2 weeks of hell? That's silly.

Go to work tomorrow but NOT as a pushover (which is what your post implies you've been these past few months ... not judging but that is what I read in your post) but as a confident person. Heck, while you're at it, dress sharp (a suit even - yeah, let them think you're interviewing etc.), grab a cup of coffee and b'fast from the finest place around the office and walk in confidently. Go straight to the guy who's bothered you the most (or second most) and ask him (in a higher tone) how his weekend was. But you don't care about his weekend ... now do ya? So cut him off in the middle saying you need to talk to your manager. Then peek in to the manager's office and affirmatively ask for a couple "quick" minutes of his time (close the door or walk in to his cube as you're saying it) and just tell him that you're giving him 2 weeks notice. Why? "Personal reasons". Simple.

Go back to your office and send out that prepared email (mentioning you've given your 2 weeks notice) you have to your team (cc your boss and your personal email) and watch as the fun unfolds.

If the company wants you gone immediately ... fine! Walk out in style and be done.

They want you around for 2 weeks? Great!

NOW ... the important part is to remember that you've entered a period where you get to practice to let go of being a pushover. That ENDS HERE and that ENDS NOW. Learn to say NO. Practice saying NO when warranted but do say yes when warranted while leaving at 5PM sharp. Remember, the goal is to not lose all that you've built over the last few months. The goal here is to build up your image as a confident guy who does amazing work.

PS: Congrats on saving up! What's the point of having all that [money --admin LadyGeek] if you can't use it like it should be used. :sharebeer
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by BeneIRA » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:49 pm

Recommendations, for the reasons stated above, are wildly overrated in this day and age. The grand majority of corporations use The Work Number (Equifax) or a similar service that has a service verify employment. Recommendations are virtually worthless. Where it does hurt you is getting rehired by the company again, which it seems the OP has zero desire of doing, and word of mouth in the industry, which happens. OP, I am all for taking the long game in these scenarios and you have gotten some great advice above.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by togb » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:50 pm

You've said you already made your decision and just want to know whether to give 2 week's notice.

It sounds like you are not in a good place to make decisions. You aren't sleeping, you are having anxiety attacks-- so first take care of yourself. While you are employed you have paid sick time and medical benefits. Use them. Call out tomorrow. Get an appointment with your doctor, and with a counselor. Talk to a trusted friend, pastor. Get some rest. Breathe.

File for FMLA -- just in case. You might or might not need it.

Once you get some sleep, and get yourself on track, then you will be in a better position to evaluate/confirm your decision to quit, and to work out the particulars. You mentioned that you have always given notice in the past-- this suggests you think it's appropriate. So don't quit in the morning without notice, when it will be so much more sensible to call out sick and take care of yourself.

I'm sorry you are in such a tough place.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by jadedfalcons » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:02 pm

AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:23 pm
jadedfalcons wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:47 pm
AlphaLess wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:39 pm
jadedfalcons wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:34 pm
As a business owner ...
I stopped reading right there.

As a business owner, you don't get a say in this situation.
While I find your response to be quite rude, I'll be the better person and point out that I had two jobs prior to being self employed where I knew I was one of the better workers, and gave four weeks notice at both of those jobs. Twice the customary two weeks.

My response is not rude. It simply captures the game theoretic considerations of the problem.
You are diametrically opposed to OPs incentives, needs, interests, and health.

If his choice is to satisfy your preferences at heavy cost to his health, what do you think his parents or his family would say?

As for your two jobs: I am sorry to say, but that is on you.
Plenty of people do things that are not in their best interest. Advising others to do so is bad advice. Please stop giving out bad advice.
You judge my advice as bad. I judge you as rude. We'll call it even at that.

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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by Raymond » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:04 pm

OP, whatever you decide to do, start getting your personal stuff out of your office (family pictures, etc.), and clearing any personal information off your computer.

Just in case they walk you out without letting you go back to your desk.
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Re: Quitting w/o notice

Post by yohac » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:08 pm

gpburdell wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:32 pm
I'm planning to resign this week and I'm trying to decide is if I should give 2 weeks notice or not. I've always given 2 weeks in the past (if not more) and always thought it standard practice.
Whether it's standard or ethical is less important than whether it's in your best interest. Companies won't give references anymore, but HR people still expect references from recent co-workers. The lack of them is a big red flag. Even a hint that you left without notice will greatly hurt your chances at getting that next job.
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