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Nest vs Arlo (or other) security camera & system

Post by imyeti2 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:51 pm

Hello,

I've been contemplating adding a few security cameras around our house. House being on a corner lot, lot of traffic (both car and people) near our house.

Was wondering whether to go with Nest or something else. Thinking about the Nest thermostat and the smoke/CO alarms etc. Is there any merit to going with the whole Nest ecosystem? Or just try to find the best value with different devices. One risk with all things Nest would be that if one device is hacked into, the hacker could pretty much have access to other devices. Can this be true?

Happy to hear experiences with Nest and/or other systems like Arlo. Thank you.

Yeti.

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Post by 9liner » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:56 pm

Just installed 3 Ring floodlight cameras, 2 Ring doorbells, and the Ring alarm system. What drove me to Ring was the hardwired security cameras vs battery and the $10/month price, all-inclusive, to include central monitoring. I was previously paying $25/month for SimpliSafe which only afforded me a central alarm.

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Post by CurlyDave » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:20 am

Go hardwired for security cameras.

I can guarantee that the exact time you want to look at the video from the camera will be when someone has neglected to recharge the battery.

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Post by Skiandswim » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:50 am

I have a few Netgear Arlo Q cameras for home security. The free cloud data backup service is a good value (120 sec, retained for 7 days). The cameras are powered by USB cable, so no batteries to change. Not recommend for outside use. However, I have placed one outside, under an overhang, with good results for 2 years (except for the spider webs that occasionally form in front of the lens).

Wyze has a similar camera with free storage. The cameras are $20 (you have to buy separate micro SD card). I have one I am trying, okay so far. Great price.

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Post by ddurrett896 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:38 am

imyeti2 wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:51 pm
Happy to hear experiences with Nest and/or other systems like Arlo. Thank you.
My neighbor uses Nest and loves them! Has houses in other countries and can easily check remote from iPhone when a face is recognized.

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Post by DragonJoey3 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:03 am

Nest is the Apple of the home security/automation world. It's very overpriced, but you pay a premium for good products that just work and have an amazingly good software.

I'm a software developer, so I could write a bunch of custom stuff and wire together an amalgamation of different systems, but when it came to my home I decided to just go with Nest and went all in on it. I don't have any cameras yet (that's next on the list) but I do have the door lock, security system, and thermostat; and I love all of them. The integration in the app is great. When I get home I can put in my code on the door and the alarm turns off the thermostat sets to the right temperature, and the whole thing just works great.

The main drawback to Nest is the cost of "Nest Aware" which is as I understand it a "PER CAMERA cost of $5/month" That means if you want cloud backup, with facial recognition and all that fanciness then you are paying quite a bit monthly to get it. That being said I -- like many on this board -- am in a pretty high income bracket, so I probably won't mind it when I decided to get the cameras.

My experiences with Nest have been nothing short of fantastic, and that's my perspective on it.

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Post by DelmarvaDC » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:06 am

I have three cameras by Kuna. They are a porch light/camera combo that uses the hard wiring for the light to power the camera. You leave the light switch on but the light and camera are motion activated. There is no night vision; instead, Kuna relies on the emitted light to provide visibility (which means an especially bright light can drown out the image). I would recommend Kuna if you are placing cameras only where you have pre-existing wiring; if not, I would pass.

You can also purchase just the camera and "tether" the camera to your exiting light; I know very little about this product line.

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Post by kjvmartin » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:19 am

I bought an Amazon CloudCam on Prime Day. We have it setup as a kids room/baby monitor. It's fantastic and stores the video in the cloud whenever there's a person or motion detected. Now, when one kid starts screaming I can review the feed to see who hit who! :D I can view the feed on a phone/iPad app, browser, or any Alexa/Fire device. For example, with a Fire TV or Echo Show all I have to is say "Show me the kids room."

I paid $59 and have zero complaints about the device.

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Post by queso » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:22 am

I have 6 Arlos (and also some older Netgear cameras and an ADT camera) and am pretty happy with the system. Battery life is good and I didn't mount them in ridiculously hard to reach places so changing the batteries is easy enough since I only have to do it a few times a year. Your high traffic cameras will get low first so what I did is buy a couple of extra batteries and a charger (I think Costco used to sell a pack that came with these accessories). I just top those up and then switch my main entry cameras with those since they get changed more frequently than the other cameras. Then just use the recharged batteries from the main entry cameras and rotate them around whenever a camera gets low. If you are mounting them outdoors you don't want to have to remove your camera to charge the batteries since you'd then have to remount and re-aim it once it was charged. Much easier to leave the camera mounted/aimed, crack it open, switch battery pack and then close the door. Done in one trip up the ladder. :happy

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Post by armeliusc » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:42 am

We have multiple Nest cameras: outdoor, indoor, and doorbell. They work great. We picked Nest because it's hardwired to power, so we just simply set it and forget it. I really don't want to bother with recharging batteries. Also it's continuously record so we can go always back and look at the history. Compared to other systems, Nest cameras are a bit more pricey. When we first chose Nest, other options were more limited (e.g. no hardwired power), and Nest seemed like the obvious choice. So the next camera we added was also a Nest because I didn't want to mix system (although for a while I was considering Ring doorbell before Nest came up with their own).

We also have Nest CO+Smoke detector. Again, there's not really any contender for something like this, and so another Nest integration makes sense.

For the thermostat, we use Ecobee since it's a much more customizable. After some reading, I don't think I like the 'learning' thermostat from Nest. I wanted to be able to set it precisely.

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Post by go_mets » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:50 am

I have two Vimtag B3-S that I bought on Amazon.
They record to internal micro SD card (not included) and also to their DVR which they call a CloudBox.
Connect by wifi or Ethernet cable to your router.
Powered by AC adapter (included).
I have them on 24/7.

I don't have the CloudBox.
The video is 1080p so very good.

They mention in their app about Cloud storage.
I haven't tried that yet.

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Post by new2bogle » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:55 am

We have a Ring doorbell and it is really not as good as it could be. The motion detection takes way too long to start, so much so that often all we see is the back of someone (usually FedEx/UPS) walking away. I've played with the settings quite a bit (you can adjust motion range and depth of sense) but it just doesn't seem to work. Googling it, I've found I'm not the only one with this issue, so it's not a bad unit or bad wifi thing.

We got ours from Costco and will be returning it. Probably for a nest product.

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Post by pochax » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:01 am

i use a Nest Hello (doorbell) and Arlo cameras (both Pro 2 and original Arlos) for inside and outside the house. i like both but the Nest video quality is the best (probably because it has HDR) and the Nest Aware subscription is nice. Nest integrates better with my google home ecosystem (can pull up the video feed from my front door directly on my Smart Display) but Arlo is free as far as recording library (up to 5 cameras for up to 5 days - can pay subscription for their Arlo Smart. Key difference is Arlo is battery powered which is both a pro and a con. pro is that you can put them anywhere without additional wiring. the con is that you have to replace the batteries (your app will notify you when the battery is running low) so don't put them in hard to reach places. The Nest Hello has already caught a porch package thief so it has shown its worth to me. it was easy to send a clip to the police who were able to find the culprit and return the package to me. i believe there is a way to make a "community" of Nest hello footage/users in a neighborhood but have not done so yet.

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Post by forgeblast » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:03 am

Ring: we have the door bell (rechargeable), 4 plug in cameras. It covers the entire house, basement and barn. We are very rural and this helps a lot. I was at field hock practice with my daughter yesterday and got an alert. I was able to text my wife that our dog got out of her run and was in our driveway.
Now things will set it off, a bat, a spider crawling up the lens, etc. But you can also snooze the camera. I installed all the cameras in a day.

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Post by TLC1957 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:11 am

I have 5 of these

https://www.wyzecam.com

$20 each plus shipping, 14 days of free cloud storage, no monthly fee. I can view on my iPhone and iPad. Had them for 8 months no problem, 1080 HD very clear video with sound, email notification when it detects movement or sound, night vision.
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Post by hlfo718 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:24 am

I just purchase a second Wyze camera. The first one was the basic one which doesn't move for $25. The new one can move up/down/left/right and only cost $37 on amazon. No way I am going back to the other expensive cameras that have the same or less features.

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Post by Nearly A Moose » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:38 am

Responding quickly and haven't read all the responses. I have 4 Arlo wireless outdoor cameras (They could be used indoors too) and 2 Arlo indoor cameras. The outdoor ones are completely wireless - battery powered and stream wirelessly to a basestation. The indoor ones are plugged in and wirelessly connected to a basestation, like a Nest camera (which we also have for the nursery). Arlo has some specific benefits and drawbacks that may make it a good or bad choice depending on your situation.

Pros:
-No annual fee for basic storage
-Indoor wall-powered cameras work more or less like the Nest camera
-Very flexible in terms of placement and setup
-Setup relatively easy
-Base station has a relatively long range
-The fully wireless cameras provide a lot of flexibility for placement
-Lots of flexibility to set on/off schedules
-Can make the cameras as visible or not visible as you'd like

Cons:
-To save battery life, the fully wireless cameras by default are not recording. They turn on when they detect motion in their line of sight. There's about a 2-3 second delay between when the camera detects motion and when it starts recording. This may or may not matter for your setup. In my case, I have one camera trained on the short walkway from the street to my front door (about 10 feet). Sometimes the recording doesn't start until the person is at my door, making it difficult sometimes to capture an image of the person's face.
-If you have the fully wireless cameras trained on a highly trafficked area, the batteries will run down pretty quickly. I get about 3 months per set of batteries, although I've limited the field of view and time of day for some of the cameras to achieve this.

Overall, I probably would have been better off with a few wall-powered cameras (Arlo or someone else). I live in an urban setting with lots of foot traffic, so the speed with which people cross through the cameras' field of view and the frequency of recording isn't ideal for me. If I had a more secluded house, perhaps with a long drive or large yard to cross, the Arlo fully wireless cameras would probably be a very good choice. The thing to be aware of with Nest is that the recording service isn't cheap - something like $10 a month per camera. That adds up fast. It also can consume a lot of bandwidth.
Pardon typos, I'm probably using my fat thumbs on a tiny phone.

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