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Why own a bed?

Post by Caduceus » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am

Are there any good reasons to own a bed? Why not just sleep on a mattress on the floor (I think the Japanese do that?) instead of paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to sleep a few feet off the ground?

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Post by PFInterest » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:43 am

......

a box spring is like.....100 new. 20 on craigslist.

a metal frame is also like 50.

i dont know where you get thousands.

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Post by Darth Xanadu » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:44 am

Well, for me, my family would have a hard time giving up the precious under-bed storage space. But aside from that, I would totally sleep on a mattress on the floor.
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Post by Rupert » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:46 am

Mattresses, especially foam ones, need air circulation on both sides, or mold will grow there. So if you keep yours directly on the floor, be sure to prop it up on its side for a while once a week or so to air out. Also, some people with health issues (back, knee problems, etc.), have a hard time getting up off a floor. I've read people complain about the new trend of platform beds for that reason; they're too low to the floor.

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Post by researcher » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:47 am

Caduceus wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am
Are there any good reasons to own a bed? Why not just sleep on a mattress on the floor (I think the Japanese do that?) instead of paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to sleep a few feet off the ground?
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Post by Andyrunner » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:51 am

If you live in the southwest there is the whole scorpion issue. I have never lived in AZ, but a co-worker did tell me about how even if you have an exterminator, there are still risks. Which is why they don't have bed skirts.

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Post by mhc » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:53 am

Personal choice.

My favorite bed was a sofa bed when I was in high school. Love seat during the day. Bed at night.

I replaced our master bedroom bed last year. King mattress, frame, headboard, sheets, blankets, pillows for $1100. Very happy with the decision. I got everything on Amazon.

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Post by rgs92 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:54 am

So in Arizona there are scorpions inside the house? That would scare me from living there or even visiting.

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Post by Howard Donnelly » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:55 am

Give it a try. See how you like it. Let us know. (I'm serious.)

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Post by sailaway » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:59 am

There are a number of alternatives to the bed furniture that stores sell you.
-You can get a large part of the look by attaching a headboard directly to the cheap frame that comes standard with a mattress and box springs.
-You can put a box springs and mattress on the floor. This makes a nice height for those of us who feel that fancy bed frames are built to high.
-You can put a mattress on a hard floor surface on top of hypervent (looks a bit like ramen, helps the air circulate). Remember, the Japanese traditionally put a mat under the mattress and roll them both up to expose the underside on a regular (daily?) basis.

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Post by bampf » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:59 am

You could also sleep on a mat woven from coconut fronds with a bit of wood as a pillow. I did that as a youngster. In fact we didn't have walls on some of the fales (houses) so that was nicer too. Except for the bugs. And, you know, not being able to walk when you woke up. I suppose to each their own....

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Post by Call_Me_Op » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:01 am

A bed

1.) Looks better

2.) Keeps you away from dust, bugs, and other critters

3.) Is easier to get into and out of (when you get older and stiff)

5.) Is probably more comfortable due to the compliance of the box spring
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Post by Dottie57 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:02 am

Caduceus wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am
Are there any good reasons to own a bed? Why not just sleep on a mattress on the floor (I think the Japanese do that?) instead of paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to sleep a few feet off the ground?

Getting older - it is harder to get up from the floor. And easier to make up your bed. If I had a bigger home, I would think about an expensive frame. Space under the bed is nice!

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Post by telemark » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:05 am

This has been discussed before.

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Post by LiterallyIronic » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:16 am

We just put the boxspring on the floor and the mattress on top of that (and the foam mattress pad on top of that, because ours is a seven-year-old $399 mattress and you can totally feel the springs without the foam pad).

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Post by Sandtrap » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:23 am

Caduceus wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am
Are there any good reasons to own a bed? Why not just sleep on a mattress on the floor (I think the Japanese do that?) instead of paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to sleep a few feet off the ground?
Depends on the bed and the mattress . . . and one's spine. :shock:

Also, as one get's older, getting up off the floor seems a long long way to upright . . having a tall bed is a head start.. :shock:
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Post by Glockenspiel » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:27 am

For real. A box spring is $20 on craigslist and I just sold a queen bed frame for $25 on craigslist. Plus, storage space under the bed = very valuable.

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Post by GT99 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:28 am

In college, rather than the typical "loft" beds, we built a deck in the room to create 2 levels, and slept on mattresses under the deck. No problems then, but it was more a prioritization of space then preference.
In general...
1. Some folks, mostly older, would have a harder time getting in and out of a mattress on the floor.
2. I regularly use my bed as a seat. Much more convenient when it's seat height.
3. Similar to 2, I regularly put things on my bed (laying out clothes to pack for a trip, folding laundry, etc). It would be much more annoying if the mattress was lower and I had to bend over/squat down to do the same thing.
4. There are certain advantages to certain physical activities when the mattress is higher vs on the floor. 8-)
5. The aforementioned air flow and storage space. And scorpions. That's obviously reason #1.

And if you don't have any aesthetic needs, bed frames and box springs are cheap. It's only if you're buying something "pretty" that it costs a few hundred dollars or more.

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Re: Why own a bed?

Post by Old Guy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:32 am

Why don’t you sleep in your van down by the lake?

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Post by mmcmonster » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:33 am

The trend around me is heavy duty boxsprings and extra thick mattresses.

We got rid of the box springs on my kids beds and replaced them with 2x4s cut to the exact needed length at the local Home Depot (cut for free). The 2x4s rest on the edges of the frame. (That's why the cut has to be near-perfect.) I think each bed has 8 2x4s.

Saved us almost a foot of height compared to the box springs and one less thing to worry about a decade or so later.

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Post by Doom&Gloom » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:37 am

Old Guy wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:32 am
Why don’t you sleep in your van down by the lake?
+1

Why own a house?

Or a van?

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Post by Earl Lemongrab » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:38 am

I don't really understand the question. Last time I bought a mattress, the box spring came with it. I just kept using the old bed frame. If you like using a mattress on the floor, by all means go for it. I would think it would be difficult to find a night table that's a good height to work with that.
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Re: Why own a bed?

Post by Rupert » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:41 am

Earl Lemongrab wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:38 am
I don't really understand the question. Last time I bought a mattress, the box spring came with it. I just kept using the old bed frame. If you like using a mattress on the floor, by all means go for it. I would think it would be difficult to find a night table that's a good height to work with that.
Have you shopped for a new bed lately? Just about all they're selling these days are platform beds which are designed to be used without a box spring. I couldn't even find a traditional, tall bed when shopping for one recently. Also, the trend in mattresses is away from box springs. Those beds that come in a box that are so popular these days (Brooklyn Bedding, Leesa, Casper, etc.) don't come with box springs.

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Re: Why own a bed?

Post by hilink73 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:41 am

Caduceus wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am
Are there any good reasons to own a bed? Why not just sleep on a mattress on the floor (I think the Japanese do that?) instead of paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to sleep a few feet off the ground?
Ventilation would be one reason.

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Post by researcher » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:44 am

Earl Lemongrab wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:38 am
I would think it would be difficult to find a night table that's a good height to work with that.
If the OP is complaining about spending money on a bed frame, they likely feel the same way about night stands.
They probably use a cardboard box or discarded milk crate.

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Post by lazydavid » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:50 am

mmcmonster wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:33 am
The trend around me is heavy duty boxsprings and extra thick mattresses.

We got rid of the box springs on my kids beds and replaced them with 2x4s cut to the exact needed length at the local Home Depot (cut for free). The 2x4s rest on the edges of the frame. (That's why the cut has to be near-perfect.) I think each bed has 8 2x4s.

Saved us almost a foot of height compared to the box springs and one less thing to worry about a decade or so later.
Unless you at least put a sheet of plywood on top of the 2x4s, this will destroy your mattresses very quickly. innersprings are not intended to support the full weight of the mattress + occupant over such a small surface area.

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Post by HueyLD » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:53 am

For heaven's sake, you spend at least one third of your life in bed and a good raised bed with solid support is among the best investments to improve your quality of life.

Please treat your body well.

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Post by daheld » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:53 am

Why not sleep on a pile of motor oil soaked rags? Why sleep indoors? Why own a house?

Because it's 2018 and we have modern luxuries like indoor plumbing and antibiotics, and it's not a big deal to buy a bed and sleep on it. Not everything is about saving another few bucks and living as uncomfortably yet cheaply as possible.

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Post by daheld » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:54 am

HueyLD wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:53 am
For heaven's sake, you spend at least one third of your life in bed and a good raised bed with solid support is among the best investments to improve your quality of life.

Please treat your body well.
This. Buy good mattresses and good shoes. You spent a lot of time on/in both.

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Post by Paul78 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:56 am

Personally I just do the boxspring/mattress. That basically voids the "height" issue since when you sit on the side of the bed it is the same height as a chair. There are also plenty of end tables that accommodate that height.

If I ever end up buying a house I would probably get a frame but personally I don't get one because

1.) I prefer wood frames which means whenever I move to a new apartment I have to throw my old frame (doesn't fit out door without taking it apart) and buy a new one. So I end up saving time/money by just going the boxspring/mattress route.

2.) Wood frames (at least the mid level ones I get) can potentially break

3.) Certain "adult activities" are louder with a frame (especially if you have a headboard). Wouldn't necessarily be an issue with a house but in an apartment there are neighbors on three sides of me (above, to the left, and to the right). One of those neighbors is literally right next to the head of my bed. So yeah that can be a slight issue.

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Post by HomerJ » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:59 am

Caduceus wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am
Why not just sleep on a mattress on the floor
You had a floor? We used to dream of having a floor! We slept standing up in corner on a thin piece of plywood that was balanced over a 50 foot hole in the ground!
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Post by new2bogle » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:01 pm

The local bridge has some prime sleeping spots.

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Re: Why own a bed?

Post by lazydavid » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:05 pm

daheld wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:54 am
This. Buy good mattresses and good shoes. You spent a lot of time on/in both.
Agreed. Someone once gave me the very solid advice to never cheap out on anything that goes between you and the ground. And sure enough, I've found that money is well spent on quality shoes, beds, chairs, tires, etc.
Paul78 wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:56 am
1.) I prefer wood frames which means whenever I move to a new apartment I have to throw my old frame (doesn't fit out door without taking it apart) and buy a new one. So I end up saving time/money by just going the boxspring/mattress route.
This does not seem like a valid objection, unless your definition of "taking it apart so it will fit out the door" involves a chainsaw, in which case I would suppose you'd have to throw away the chunks and sawdust. My current wooden bedframe is in its third house now. Takes about 10 minutes to tear down or assemble.

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Post by HueyLD » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:06 pm

rgs92 wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:54 am
So in Arizona there are scorpions inside the house? That would scare me from living there or even visiting.
Yes, some people do have scorpions in the house, just like people with rats in NYC.

But very few do. Relax.

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Post by ponyboy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:09 pm

Box springs are useless..as long as you have some sort of support under the mattress. We just purchased a low profile frame. Wooden slats support the mattress.

I never understood why people want a bed frame/mattress/boxspring combo that requires a ladder to get into...or a small trampoline for those more adventurous. It looks trashy imo...like...what are you sleeping on? Whats the deal with your bed being 4 feet off the ground, lol.

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Post by Afty » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:12 pm

A lot of young people sleep on a mattress directly on the floor. I don’t see any good reason not to do it, if that’s what you want. Though as people point out, a box spring and metal frame are super cheap.

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Post by runner3081 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:16 pm

Andyrunner wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:51 am
If you live in the southwest there is the whole scorpion issue. I have never lived in AZ, but a co-worker did tell me about how even if you have an exterminator, there are still risks. Which is why they don't have bed skirts.
Was just going to post this. Can't sleep on the floor in AZ due to scorpions.

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Post by runner3081 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:18 pm

rgs92 wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:54 am
So in Arizona there are scorpions inside the house? That would scare me from living there or even visiting.
Depends on where you are at. We live in the NE valley and are surrounded by desert, yes, all houses in our neighborhood have scorpions inside. I would imagine that places with less desert (downtown Scottsdale, Phx, etc) would not have many, if any.

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Post by gotester2000 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:36 pm

Many people sleep on mats in tropical countries(also on open terraces with fresh natural air). Sleep under the shade of trees, open field etc - it is no big deal - flat hard surface gives good rest to the back - on the other hand beds are mandatory in cold countries due to climate.

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Post by mmcmonster » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:36 pm

lazydavid wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:50 am
mmcmonster wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:33 am
The trend around me is heavy duty boxsprings and extra thick mattresses.

We got rid of the box springs on my kids beds and replaced them with 2x4s cut to the exact needed length at the local Home Depot (cut for free). The 2x4s rest on the edges of the frame. (That's why the cut has to be near-perfect.) I think each bed has 8 2x4s.

Saved us almost a foot of height compared to the box springs and one less thing to worry about a decade or so later.
Unless you at least put a sheet of plywood on top of the 2x4s, this will destroy your mattresses very quickly. innersprings are not intended to support the full weight of the mattress + occupant over such a small surface area.
Opps. Forgot to mention that. Yes. We have the plywood over the 2x4s as well. :beer

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Post by DanMahowny » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:52 pm

Doom&Gloom wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:37 am
Old Guy wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:32 am
Why don’t you sleep in your van down by the lake?
+1

Why own a house?

Or a van?
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Post by whodidntante » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:57 pm

It is easier than explaining to dozens of conquests why you don't own a bed.

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For real.There is nothing we don't talk about on this site. :)

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Post by bungalow10 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:06 pm

We slept on these for six weeks when we first moved back to the US. They are $119 each, the size of a twin bed. Two together is a king. They were tough to get used to, but by the end I found them pretty comfy (VERY FIRM). They are currently in the kids' bedrooms as spare bed/couches.

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Post by shell921 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:17 pm

researcher wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:44 am
Earl Lemongrab wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:38 am
I would think it would be difficult to find a night table that's a good height to work with that.
If the OP is complaining about spending money on a bed frame, they likely feel the same way about night stands.
They probably use a cardboard box or discarded milk crate.
Ikea sells inexpensive and well made bed frames-no box springs required. But you do have to
assemble them. I recently bought a nice
wood queen sized bed frame for my guest room! It was under $300- delivered. A friend assembled it for me.
I bought a nice queen latex foam mattress for $1900. I rarely have guests so I use the bed in there
to meditate and fold laundry or put a suitcase and pack for a trip.

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Re: Why own a bed?

Post by Turbo29 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:20 pm

rgs92 wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:54 am
So in Arizona there are scorpions inside the house? That would scare me from living there or even visiting.
Been stung twice. First time was my fault, should have let the cats do their job but tried to take the scorpion away from them. Second time, stepped on it in the middle of the night.

Hurt like heck but in retrospect it was no big deal.

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Re: Why own a bed?

Post by SuperGrafx » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:26 pm

Caduceus wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am
Are there any good reasons to own a bed? Why not just sleep on a mattress on the floor (I think the Japanese do that?)
The Japanese typically use soft traditional mattresses (they call them futons) which are regularly hung out to dry and air out.

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Post by lhwerdyt*1791c » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:33 pm

PFInterest wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:43 am
......

a box spring is like.....100 new. 20 on craigslist.

a metal frame is also like 50.

i dont know where you get thousands.
Depends on you age, too. As we got older, we needed a bed that was off the floor; it was so much easier to change the sheets.

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Post by 9-5 Suited » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:39 pm

Elevating the bed gives more floor space to store boxes of lentils and packaged ramen.

If you like sleeping on the floor then do that, but don’t do it to save money unless you’re on the verge of bankruptcy. I mean, come on!!

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Post by Mjar » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:54 pm

Caduceus wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am
Are there any good reasons to own a bed? Why not just sleep on a mattress on the floor (I think the Japanese do that?) instead of paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to sleep a few feet off the ground?
here is what we do...my wife and I put the box on the carpet with the foam mattress on top of it with a cheap ikea frame to make it look nicer than just the two sitting on the ground, we like our bed low, we don't like the super high beds that they sell.

my two daughters sleep on a cheap foam full size pad that has a bed sheet on it (they are 9 and 6 yo) together in my younger's room. Why?...because they don't like sleeping separate even though my older has her own room and regular full size bed that is barely used. Why the cheap foam?....well because we visited family back in India the households are multi-generational so not everyone gets or has a bed so it typical to sleep on the floor with a nice comforter and pillow with other family so they like that so they continued it after our trip and now its the norm for them. My younger has been asking for a bed but I told her no that they could just sleep in the older's room where there is a practically new bed there still from lack of use or I would be willing to get her a bed if they slept in their own rooms...their decision is still sleep on the floor on the cheap foam pad because they like it. Once a week my wife and I would sleep with them on the ground with multiple comforters laid down to make extra padding and all four of us would sleep there re-creating the time visiting family in India. We did that a few years ago, but now rarely do it because the floor does not agree with my back after a night of sleeping. Indians sleep like this regularly in India due to necessity.

The only reason not to do it is for perception, if you don't care then do what makes you happy as we do.

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