$34k Volt vs $54k Model 3?--help me decide??

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Re: $34k Volt vs $54k Model 3?--help me decide??

Post by ebotrd » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:05 pm

Sorry, wrongfunds. I just don't get why people buy the performance model. I mean, my test drive was in one, and I did notice a slight difference vs the "regular" model 3's...in the Performance I could actually feel the skin on my cheeks pulled back when gunning it. Regular M3 wasn't quite that dramatic, but definitely far more than anything else I've driven.
Still, if that type of torque is what you really want, the P3D is the best value AFAIK.
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Re: $34k Volt vs $54k Model 3?--help me decide??

Post by wrongfunds » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:20 pm

Did you drive both performance AWD and long range RWD before ordering mid range RWD? I think "slight difference in acceleration" is quite an understatement. P3D was off the scale for me.

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Post by ebotrd » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:27 pm

I drove both LR RWD and Performance. They're all like spaceships to me. It's not worth the extra $10-20k to me, but if it might be to you, I think it is a bargain-basement price to own a car that can compete with >$1M super cars. I support your extravagance, wrongfunds!!...I think we bh's just want to double check one another that we can "afford it". Check out "The Money Guy" on YouTube. He's a financial advisor who gives solid advice in his videos, but also bought himself a M3 (has a few video reviews of it as well). He'd ask if you're already saving at least 25% of your income, and can you pay off the car entirely in 12 months? If yes (or you've already accumulated all you need for a comfortable retirement), then go ahead. I agree with that generally.
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Post by wrongfunds » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:28 pm

Regardless of the price, I will have to write full check. I am not "allowed" to finance the car. That sort makes it difficult to decide on the financial factors alone but I do consider whether it is ridiculous (aka stupid) to throw away *extra* $10K or $20K for true discretionary splurge.

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Re: $34k Volt vs $54k Model 3?--help me decide??

Post by BrandonBogle » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:43 pm

wrongfunds wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:20 pm
Did you drive both performance AWD and long range RWD before ordering mid range RWD? I think "slight difference in acceleration" is quite an understatement. P3D was off the scale for me.
This is how I feel every time I drive a PxxxD instead of my 85 RWD S. "Slight" difference is definitely a big understatement, but my car is plenty speedy enough.

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Re: $34k Volt vs $54k Model 3?--help me decide??

Post by TheAccountant » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:17 pm

RootSki wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:46 am
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25k miles a year?

Buy the most comfortable car that’ll get the job done.
Fixed it for you.

25K miles a year is a lot of windshield time, you're going to want to be comfortable.
Meh, if the seat moves forward and back and reclines it's comfortable enough for me.

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Post by dsmclone » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:20 pm

I really wish people would quit calling the Model 3 an M3.

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Post by fareastwarriors » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:20 pm

dsmclone wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:20 pm
I really wish people would quit calling the Model 3 an M3.


I drive a M3, a Mazda 3.
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Re: $34k Volt vs $54k Model 3?--help me decide??

Post by ebotrd » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:50 pm

Anyone know if Model 3 may get heated steering wheel in future OTA update (like I guess happened with heated seats)? I couldn't find much on the subject.
Volt Premium has heated steering wheel and is at least $10k less than comparable mid-range.
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Post by wrongfunds » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:05 pm

I don't think the hardware exist in the steering wheel to heat it. They could certainly add that feature say in 2019 or later model.

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Post by wootwoot » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:13 pm

ebotrd wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:27 pm
I drove both LR RWD and Performance. They're all like spaceships to me. It's not worth the extra $10-20k to me, but if it might be to you, I think it is a bargain-basement price to own a car that can compete with >$1M super cars.
What >$1M super cars are you comparing to a Tesla model 3?

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Post by wrongfunds » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:54 pm

Note that Tesla Model 3 is NOT in the list of 30 cars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... ss)[i]_[ii]

I think the $1M claim is stretching it but if some limitation aka "4 door sedan category", then $250K might hold true.

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Post by ebotrd » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:09 pm

:thumbsdown :thumbsdown
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Post by munemaker » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:03 pm

GM announced the Volt is going bye bye

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Post by ebotrd » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:06 pm

Still here for now.
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Post by harikaried » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:59 pm

ebotrd wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:27 pm
I drove both LR RWD and Performance. They're all like spaceships to me. It's not worth the extra $10-20k to me
With the $35k Model 3 Standard Range available now, that's $8k less than the (just reduced price) $43k Long Range. The base model doesn't have heated seats though, but if that's important, looks like Tesla now offers a Standard Range Plus for $2k more that adds the power heated seats to the front (along with 20 miles of range and some other premium features).

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Post by FoolStreet » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:18 pm

You can now order the $35k Tesla! So cool!

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Post by randomguy » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:40 pm

FoolStreet wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:18 pm
You can now order the $35k Tesla! So cool!
I bet they sell a ton of the partial premiums with autopilot. Yeah it is a 40k car versus a 35k one but I am guessing most people want the autopilot gee-whiz and I am thinking they get some type of fake leather at that price which a lot of people seem to like. I just wish they didn't charge so much for any color other than black. I am tired of seeing so many in that shade on the road. It is even worse than the germans:)

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Post by ebotrd » Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:20 am

Oh, man! I bought the cheapest 3 ever at the time (December 2018) at $45k (37500 after federal credit). My same exact car now is $40k (36250 after current federal credit). Guess I shoulda cooled my jets. If buying now I'd have a real tough time choosing between the $37k model vs the $43k long range...that extra $6k buys you a lot. Still loving my 3 though. The other day a friend's kids came by work and were super excited to check out my 3. On the way home I wanted to hear Billy Joel - My Life for some reason and just instantly activated it by voice command. Then did a bit of friendly "racing" with another 3 on the way home - trying to take curves without touching the brakes. It was a very good day. Today's news is a huge milestone and great news for all the die hard the holdouts. I'm the ultimate Tesla Stretch and if you're thinking EV these prices really do seem like an awesome value for all the reasons mentioned above. If the Tesla's don't put a twinkle in your eye, the Volt still a close 2nd place IMHO and a solid choice, and you can Vanguard the extra few $1000 you'd save ;)
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Post by madbrain » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:14 am

ebotrd wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:20 am
Oh, man! I bought the cheapest 3 ever at the time (December 2018) at $45k (37500 after federal credit). My same exact car now is $40k (36250 after current federal credit). Guess I shoulda cooled my jets. If buying now I'd have a real tough time choosing between the $37k model vs the $43k long range...that extra $6k buys you a lot. Still loving my 3 though. The other day a friend's kids came by work and were super excited to check out my 3. On the way home I wanted to hear Billy Joel - My Life for some reason and just instantly activated it by voice command. Then did a bit of friendly "racing" with another 3 on the way home - trying to take curves without touching the brakes. It was a very good day. Today's news is a huge milestone and great news for all the die hard the holdouts. I'm the ultimate Tesla Stretch and if you're thinking EV these prices really do seem like an awesome value for all the reasons mentioned above. If the Tesla's don't put a twinkle in your eye, the Volt still a close 2nd place IMHO and a solid choice, and you can Vanguard the extra few $1000 you'd save ;)
At the new price, I probably would buy the next to cheapest one, ie. "standard range plus", if we didn't have a Volt and Bolt already.
The main thing that gives me pause is that apparently there is no Android auto / Apple carplay support in any Tesla. I'm sure Tesla has a great proprietary system, but when one is already paying for a fancy smartphone, it seems a bit like duplication of effort and expense.

Hopefully, when it comes time to replace the Bolt, Tesla will have fixed that problem. Not sure I would replace the Volt with anything but another Volt, but that may no longer be an option at that point.

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By accelerating the advent of sustainable transport, of course.
Sustainable transport for $50k would be buying a 40mpg+ car with all current safety features under $20k and investing the balance $30k in low-cost index portfolio with sufficient returns to fund the cost of running, maintenance and replacement (every 7-10 years) for the rest of your driving life without ever contributing another dime. Also known as Bogleheads Sustainable Transportation Fund (ticker:BSTF).

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Re: 2016 vs 2018 or 2018 Volt (Model 3?)--compare and help me decide?

Post by niceguy7376 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:33 pm

nura wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:42 am
buying a 40mpg+ car with all current safety features under $20k
Could you list some choices?

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niceguy7376 wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:33 pm
nura wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:42 am
buying a 40mpg+ car with all current safety features under $20k
Could you list some choices?
2017 prius comes to mind. Not sure what safety gear the accord hybrid had or if the new insight is that cheap. It is pretty political if it is better for you to buy that or the Tesla. Your results will depend on what you think happens to both the Tesla and Prius you don’t buy. I would say buying a new environmentally friendly car is better. You run the risk if you buy the Prius, someone else ends up getting a F150 since a Prius wasn’t available. 🤪 Also matters where you live. Want to say a model S in West Va was only like a 40mpg car. The Prius is better. In parts of NY it was more like 90 and the Prius is worse.

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Re: $34k Volt vs $54k Model 3?--help me decide??

Post by RobLyons » Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:57 am

Since you discussed numbers, I would ask this question:
Why spend $20k - $54k + to save $600 a year in gas?

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Post by DanMahowny » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:17 am

RobLyons wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:57 am
Since you discussed numbers, I would ask this question:
Why spend $20k - $54k + to save $600 a year in gas?

:?
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Post by randomguy » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:41 am

RobLyons wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:57 am
Since you discussed numbers, I would ask this question:
Why spend $20k - $54k + to save $600 a year in gas?

:?
He is also buying 6 more years (or x miles of driving). Still not going to pencil out. You are going to have to value the improvements in the car.

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Post by FoolStreet » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:50 am

RobLyons wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:57 am
Since you discussed numbers, I would ask this question:
Why spend $20k - $54k + to save $600 a year in gas?

:?

I get it. Even after incentives the base Model 3 is $24k. And if you are in a budget you can buy a used 2010 Prius for 7k and use that money to pay off loans and build your financial position. And that is the right choice for a lot of people. It was for me the past xx years of my life.

But to answer your question, I think we have to honestly accept the fact that the cost of gasoline to the world is enormous and has real consequences.

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Post by ebotrd » Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:49 pm

Definitely looking at it purely through a cold hard economics lens there are many better options financially to get us from a to b. I get it. That's how I've chosen cars for the past 30 years.

My starting position this time though was I knew I wanted at least a plug in hybrid or long range all-electric car this time...preferably all-electric because I'm a tree hugger. So if I could go all-electric now even better because I don't really like turning over cars and love just keeping a good car for 10+ years.

My last car a used Gen 1 Volt for about 2/3 off the new price seemed to check both the value and "electrified" boxes at once. But wasn't quite there. And meanwhile I got a new job I love but invlolves driving over 20k miles/yr. That's a good $2k/yr on gas vs All-electric driving where I live. (OK maybe $1500/yr vs Volt or Prius) So I found myself looking again.

This time around I also decided I'd consider spending a little more for a few nicities' safety features as well. This was new for me but I do feel confident I can afford it now too - which is also new.

If you're willing to pay $30-something k and you're coming from the angle of highly valuing electrification (ie willing to pay a little more for that) the Model 3 is definitely a front-runner. Especially at these new prices. I for one would be totally content with the $35k Model 3...would probably even spring for the autopilot. Consumer Reports be damned! That's a lotta car for the money.
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Post by RobLyons » Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:39 pm

FoolStreet wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:50 am
RobLyons wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:57 am
Since you discussed numbers, I would ask this question:
Why spend $20k - $54k + to save $600 a year in gas?

:?


But to answer your question, I think we have to honestly accept the fact that the cost of gasoline to the world is enormous and has real consequences.


100% agree with you.
I personally have felt this way for 10+ years and have owned a Volt and 2 Prius.
Environmental impact is top 3 along with reliability and cost of ownership for me

And you stated $24k with incentives that's amazing. Thanks for the reply!
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Post by randomguy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:07 pm

ebotrd wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:49 pm

If you're willing to pay $30-something k and you're coming from the angle of highly valuing electrification (ie willing to pay a little more for that) the Model 3 is definitely a front-runner. Especially at these new prices. I for one would be totally content with the $35k Model 3...would probably even spring for the autopilot. Consumer Reports be damned! That's a lotta car for the money.
If you live in the right states the hyundai and Kia long range EVs are also worth a look. Slightly different cars

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Post by Larry2623 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:52 pm

Make sure there is service for Tesla nearby

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Post by 4nursebee » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:56 pm

I live 90 miles from Tesla service. In the parking lot of a local grocer a Tesla 3 was getting service from a ranger, I believe changing out a defective window switch. The service guy described a large service area. When I came out of the store, both cars were gone.

My car has a defective window switch also. I need to make an appointment, go to the dealer, sit thru the repair and some minor sales pressures. Perhaps they will need to order a part and require a 2nd appointment. I also have a cracked windshield. My car is a Subaru, the brand that best retains value.

It seems to me that Tesla has a superior service experience.

I bought a new Chevy years ago. There was an immediate repair needed. After that repair they left a wrench under the hood.
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