Tipping at non sit down places

Questions on how we spend our money and our time - consumer goods and services, home and vehicle, leisure and recreational activities
masonstone
Posts: 138
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:01 pm

Tipping at non sit down places

Post by masonstone » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:36 pm

How do you tip at places with no servers?

tim1999
Posts: 3474
Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:16 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by tim1999 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:39 pm

Easy, I don't.

Nate79
Posts: 3332
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:24 pm
Location: Portland, OR

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Nate79 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:57 pm

tim1999 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:39 pm
Easy, I don't.
+1000

Wabbit
Posts: 112
Joined: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:12 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Wabbit » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:06 pm

I usually don't. Often there will be the old tip jar if you're looking for one. More lately, if you pay by credit or debit card, they'll have an ipad that they'll swing around for you to sign and be asked what amount you'd like to tip. I'm not sure of the worker pay in places like that, if they have assumed tip income like in sit-down restaurants.

User avatar
TinkerPDX
Posts: 275
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:38 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by TinkerPDX » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:17 pm

If it’s real food, I’ll tip $1 at lunch, maybe more like 10% for dinner. I also tip ~10% when we get takeout at sit-down restaurants.

For comparison, we tip ~20% for normal dining.

I value servers and restaurant staff, I want those jobs to pay a living wage, and we can afford to be decent tippers.

(I’d support a fundamental change away from tips being such a bit piece of service industry comp, but until it does, I’ll stick with the above practice.)

User avatar
LadyGeek
Site Admin
Posts: 47520
Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:34 pm
Location: Philadelphia
Contact:

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by LadyGeek » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:17 pm

This thread is now in the Personal Consumer Issues forum (tipping).
Wiki To some, the glass is half full. To others, the glass is half empty. To an engineer, it's twice the size it needs to be.

User avatar
munemaker
Posts: 3414
Joined: Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:14 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by munemaker » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:19 pm

Nate79 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:57 pm
tim1999 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:39 pm
Easy, I don't.
+1000
+1001

JBTX
Posts: 3960
Joined: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:46 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by JBTX » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:24 pm

I usually don't. I consider it routine fast food. If I had to increase my cost another 10-15% I would not get it as much.

Dottie57
Posts: 4318
Joined: Thu May 19, 2016 5:43 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Dottie57 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:30 pm

I will tip when I am tired and grateful to someone for giving me a decent meal later in the evening - generally at Panera.
I’ve had some very grateful thank you’s.

Nicolas
Posts: 1039
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:41 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Nicolas » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:33 pm

Deleted
Last edited by Nicolas on Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
De gustibus non est disputandum.

User avatar
dm200
Posts: 17807
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:21 pm
Location: Washington DC area

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by dm200 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:53 pm

I don't either - even sit sit down (like Chipotle) where there is no table service.

Nate79
Posts: 3332
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:24 pm
Location: Portland, OR

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Nate79 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:05 pm

It annoys me to no end to get to the register at a fast food restaurant and to have to answer the question of adding a tip on the credit card machine screen.

JHU ALmuni
Posts: 88
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:40 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by JHU ALmuni » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:31 pm

Don't tip

RetiredInTheWest
Posts: 5
Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:43 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by RetiredInTheWest » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:37 pm

I don't tip in this situation either.

User avatar
dm200
Posts: 17807
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:21 pm
Location: Washington DC area

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by dm200 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:38 pm

I don't do this - but at some normally sit down places, regular wait staff handle the takeout orders - packaging them up, etc. Maybe - a tip to them might make some sense - BUT no knowledge of their compensation.

J295
Posts: 1560
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:40 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by J295 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:38 pm

Always tip

User avatar
dm200
Posts: 17807
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:21 pm
Location: Washington DC area

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by dm200 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:41 pm

J295 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:38 pm
Always tip
Why?

J295
Posts: 1560
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:40 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by J295 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:54 pm

dm200 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:41 pm

J295 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:38 pm
Always tip
Why?
Never really gave it much thought until now .... I guess it's principally because we are fortunate to have sufficient resources and I enjoy giving it to the people (usually young people who no doubt can use the modest cash we give) helping us out with their services (even if it's just bringing us our take out order; making our coffee or weighing the espresso beans, etc.).

User avatar
yatesd
Posts: 533
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:19 am
Location: MD

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by yatesd » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:15 pm

J295 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:54 pm
dm200 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:41 pm

J295 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:38 pm
Always tip
Why?
Never really gave it much thought until now .... I guess it's principally because we are fortunate to have sufficient resources and I enjoy giving it to the people (usually young people who no doubt can use the modest cash we give) helping us out with their services (even if it's just bringing us our take out order; making our coffee or weighing the espresso beans, etc.).
The people that really need the money are the employees who work behind the scenes: dishwashers, warehouse employees, cleaning crews, etc. These are people that tend to be under paid and much less likely to be a young person just seeking part-time work for spending money.

I tip 15-20% for normal restaurants. Leave a $1 per person if I order at the counter and still receive some type of table service (bring meals, clean up table), and nothing for places where I order and pickup myself (Panera, Chipotle).

ThankYouJack
Posts: 2110
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by ThankYouJack » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:37 pm

I have young kids so if the staff busses the tables and cleans the floor after I usually tip somewhat generously.

I never tip for pick up or sometimes just$1 if I'm eating there.

Should people tip depending on their length of stay? For some reason buying a $3 coffee and then making the place an office for the next couple hours doesn't feel right to me unless I were to tip

drk
Posts: 717
Joined: Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:33 pm
Location: Seattle

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by drk » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:50 pm

I tip 15% (as opposed to 20%+ for table service because I'm not using the facilities). Granted, I go to the same ten or so local establishments and see the same crew there every time. I do it because I appreciate them.

runner3081
Posts: 1588
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:22 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by runner3081 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:53 pm

No way. What would I be tipping for?

Scrapr
Posts: 151
Joined: Sun May 09, 2010 9:19 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Scrapr » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:33 pm

runner3081 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:53 pm
No way. What would I be tipping for?
to insure the cook staff doesn't mess with your food

I always tip. I just can't get the idea of the counter staff giving the high sign to the food preparation crew. I'm weird :D

runner3081
Posts: 1588
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:22 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by runner3081 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:39 pm

Scrapr wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:33 pm
runner3081 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:53 pm
No way. What would I be tipping for?
to insure the cook staff doesn't mess with your food

I always tip. I just can't get the idea of the counter staff giving the high sign to the food preparation crew. I'm weird :D
Well, this can be added to the other hundred or so reasons we really don't eat out. haha

User avatar
Doom&Gloom
Posts: 2159
Joined: Thu May 08, 2014 3:36 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Doom&Gloom » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:44 pm

Not unless there is some above and beyond service or I am such a regular regular that the staff knows me well enough to anticipate my order, etc.

masteraleph
Posts: 583
Joined: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:45 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by masteraleph » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:52 am

With no servers or no waiters?

There’s something of a hybrid model at a lot of NY restaurants- you order and pay at the counter, but food is brought to you.

Regardless, we have a kid who makes a mess, and most such places have the servers also behind the register or working as a barista. We usually tip 20%.

One thing that makes a big difference- if they’re using a POS that recommends tipping. A lot of small places like this use Square or a similar processor, and when you go to sign, recommended tip amounts are there, with an option at the bottom to set your own. I think that brings in a lot more in tips- it sets a baseline. Also, I don’t know anyone under 35 who regularly carries cash, which makes tip jars of rather more dubious value.

Luckywon
Posts: 187
Joined: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:33 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Luckywon » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:42 am

I don't tip at the counter but if there are clean up people busing the tables I will give them $5. They are always very appreciative and I feel good doing it.

Momus
Posts: 354
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:23 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Momus » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:16 am

No....

student
Posts: 2524
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:58 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by student » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:48 am

I do not tip at such places.

Dantes
Posts: 210
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:38 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Dantes » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:51 am

Yes, if there is a tip jar, unless I dislike the setup, or if the person behind the counter is unpleasant. Why not?

TwstdSista
Posts: 984
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:03 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by TwstdSista » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:52 am

Generally no tip.

But if it's a place I go to regularly and they're likely to remember me, then I tip 10%.

aristotelian
Posts: 4614
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:05 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by aristotelian » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:54 am

I will leave my loose change if there is a tip jar. I figure anyone working a service job can use the money more than me.

Cigarman
Posts: 285
Joined: Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:12 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Cigarman » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:15 am

Oddly, there is an independent ice cream shop near us in the Raleigh, NC area that has a massive following. The owner hires high school and college kids 9 months out of the year (he shuts down Dec - Feb) and we frequent the place. Only accepts cash and checks and has instructed his employee's to REFUSE tips. No tip jar either. I'm sure he pays a decent wage because you should see the place and the kids work hard. Needless to say he is teaching them some good lessons.

Cheyenne
Posts: 404
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:46 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Cheyenne » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:32 am

Scrapr wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:33 pm
runner3081 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:53 pm
No way. What would I be tipping for?
to insure the cook staff doesn't mess with your food
Rather than tipping to insure the cook staff doesn't mess with your food I would like to see cameras in kitchens where food is prepared so diners can watch on their phones. After all, most restaurants have spy cameras everywhere else to keep an eye on us.

carolinaman
Posts: 3208
Joined: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:56 am
Location: North Carolina

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by carolinaman » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:55 am

We order takeout or curbside food from restaurants often. I usually tip 10% because these folks put in effort to package your food, etc. I have observed these folks working while waiting for my food and some of them work really hard.

I tend to draw the tip line for counter service or coffee. I typically do not tip although I some times will tip a Starbucks person some small change.

abner kravitz
Posts: 333
Joined: Tue May 05, 2015 7:42 am
Location: Beaufort County, SC

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by abner kravitz » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:08 am

I generally throw a buck or two in the jar if there is one, as long as the service is pleasant.

Grt2bOutdoors
Posts: 19084
Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:20 pm
Location: New York

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Grt2bOutdoors » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:16 am

Another reason why I prefer not to eat out - where do you draw the line? There is no extra service and it is responsiblility for establishment owner to pay his/her workers.
"One should invest based on their need, ability and willingness to take risk - Larry Swedroe" Asking Portfolio Questions

soccerrules
Posts: 803
Joined: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:01 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by soccerrules » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:27 am

sometimes.
I will toss $1-2 in the tip jar if it is a place we frequent in our neighborhood.
Don't let your outflow exceed your income or your upkeep will be your downfall.

User avatar
lthenderson
Posts: 3436
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:43 pm
Location: Iowa

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by lthenderson » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:32 am

Only if it is a place I frequent and I feel the person behind the counter goes out of their way to make me feel welcome or enjoy the experience.

megabad
Posts: 507
Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:00 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by megabad » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:22 am

I consider a tipping at these types of places a business transaction (not societal norm). So I only tip when I feel that I am getting some added value in return. To this end, I usually only tip at local owner operator shops. The owner remembers me, he knows my order without asking me. Also, they will hook me up with catering and references on other things since a few of these guys are closely tied to their communities. I found a good painting crew and a good drywall crew thru a guy who runs a Gyro place (that doesn't have waiters).

bob60014
Posts: 617
Joined: Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:59 pm
Location: The Land Beyond ORD

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by bob60014 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:35 am

The people working in these type of places are getting paid a full wage, usually minimum, but still a full wage. Its up to the employer to ensure their people are compensated properly. In this case I do not tip, though there are some rare exceptions.

On the other hand those working in a "sit down" setting are usually getting a small base wage and rely on tips to live. The server usually has to put a percentage of the tip into a pool for those behind the scenes. In this case I do tip, well.
For fun, read some of the travel forums to see how confusing tipping, to who, when and why, is for overseas travellers, something they are totally unfamiliar with, when visiting here! It's very enlightening too.

User avatar
SurfCityBill
Posts: 426
Joined: Tue May 01, 2012 10:15 pm
Location: Western United States

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by SurfCityBill » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:02 pm

TinkerPDX wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:17 pm
If it’s real food, I’ll tip $1 at lunch, maybe more like 10% for dinner. I also tip ~10% when we get takeout at sit-down restaurants.

For comparison, we tip ~20% for normal dining.

I value servers and restaurant staff, I want those jobs to pay a living wage, and we can afford to be decent tippers.

(I’d support a fundamental change away from tips being such a bit piece of service industry comp, but until it does, I’ll stick with the above practice.)
+1

michaeljc70
Posts: 3364
Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:53 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by michaeljc70 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:20 pm

You didn't elaborate much, but I agree that generally there is no need to tip if there is no server. If this is a buffet where someone is picking up all your used dishes and possibly serving drinks, then a small tip is appropriate.

Grasshopper
Posts: 900
Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:52 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by Grasshopper » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:22 pm

Carry out $0
Counter pickup no server $0
Buffets, Sweet Tomatoes, Hibachi Grill, $1 a head if the plates get picked up
Sit down server 15-20%
I always tip in cash, the server can chose if the tip is reported.
At bars usually 20% and 100% of any comped drinks. :beer

User avatar
White Coat Investor
Posts: 13400
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:11 pm
Location: Greatest Snow On Earth

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by White Coat Investor » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:33 pm

Another Bogleheads tip thread. I'm not sure why we can't resist these.

If I've got to stand in line to get the food, carry it to my table, and bus my own table, what would I be tipping for? You want a tip? Do at least one of those things for me.
1) Invest you must 2) Time is your friend 3) Impulse is your enemy | 4) Basic arithmetic works 5) Stick to simplicity 6) Stay the course

multiham
Posts: 178
Joined: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:28 am

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by multiham » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:37 pm

I'll tip $1 at places like Chipotle and Panera as long as the person at the register was friendly and competent. My son is working to save $ for his college fund and many of the people I see working are classmates of his. While I know my small tip doesn't amount to much, I'm always going to support those who work and show initiative vs. those who get everything paid for by their parents.

jerryk68
Posts: 130
Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:56 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by jerryk68 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:44 pm

The tip jar and the debit/CC requests seem to be recent phenomenon in the last couple years. Those that do tip what if your car mechanic put a jar out would you also tip? How about the supermarket cashier or the pharmacist? Or maybe your doctor? I consider these debit/CC requests a form of corporate intimidation and I refuse to participate . Just a thought.

User avatar
aspirit
Posts: 142
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:52 am
Location: Bos/Mia-south

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by aspirit » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:55 pm

White Coat Investor wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:33 pm
Another Bogleheads tip thread. I'm not sure why we can't resist these.

If I've got to stand in line to get the food, carry it to my table, and bus my own table, what would I be tipping for? You want a tip? Do at least one of those things for me.
Outstandingly witty reply!

I like the grocery store cash register tip jars I've seen recently. I never know when I might need spare cash to pay cashing out.
Time & tides wait for no one. A man has to know his limitations.

TravelforFun
Posts: 1424
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:05 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by TravelforFun » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:56 pm

We should tip more whether we eat in, take out, or get deliveries. A few extra dollars don't mean much to bogleheads but mean a heck of a lot to the workers. The time to save is when you negotiate big ticket items, the interest rates on your car or home loans, invest in lower-fee funds, negotiate transfer bonuses or salary increases..

TravelforFun

strafe
Posts: 831
Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:49 pm

Re: Tipping at non sit down places

Post by strafe » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:19 pm

Is there any assurance that credit card tips at counter service restaurants actually go to employees?

Post Reply