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A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by Cody » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:14 am

My daughter is looking to replace an old CRV. She loves the car but can not afford the initial price point to get a lower milage one.

Plus she is only 5 feet tall and wants a vehicle that "sits up" high like a CRV.

Any suggestions of a cheaper than a CRV but still sits up nicely.

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can afford CRV

Post by dm200 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:17 am

Cody wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:14 am
My daughter is looking to replace an old CRV. She loves the car but can not afford the initial price point to get a lower milage one.

Plus she is only 5 feet tall and wants a vehicle that "sits up" high like a CRV.

Any suggestions of a cheaper than a CRV but still sits up nicely.

Thanks,
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Post by Rupert » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:22 am

She should look at the Hyundai, Kia, Ford, and GM products in the same class, and consider buying one of those gently used (at least 2 years old to get the best deals). Those brands depreciate faster than Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus (and even Nissans and Mazdas), so are a better deal used than new. Alternatively, she should shift down a class, from the compact SUVs to the subcompact SUVs, which still sit up higher than sedans.

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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:25 am

Subaru Crosstrek. Great gas mileage, sits like a CRV, Doesn't create it's own extra oil, not a big hulk of a vehicle. The first year made was 2013 for reference. The seat does raise/lower (manual raise and lower except for a new limited)
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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can afford CRV

Post by stimulacra » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:26 am

I would look at other Compact Crossovers or CUVs. It's probably the most common category across all mainstream brands. Everyone has offerings that can be looked at apples-to-apples.

Cheaper than Honda CRV at similar mileage:

1) Hyundai Tuscon
2) Hyundai Santa Fe
3) Kia Sportage
4) Ford Escape
5) Chevy Equinox
6) GMC Terrain

At equivalent price points but worth considering
1) Mazda CX-5
2) Toyota RAV4
3) Subaru Forrester

Personally I would lean towards a higher mileage Honda CRV and get it checked out by an independent mechanic but that's just me.

Lastly, there are a lot of new sub-compact crossovers out there as well muddying the waters a bit. Most people I know who buy them are shopping mostly on price/marque and most are usually disappointed after 3-6 months once the new-car high wears off. I find them too cramped, too noisy, and mostly a cynical exercise of puffing up a perfectly fine sub-compact hatchback and slapping on body cladding and AWD.

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Post by sport » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:27 am

She might even try a sedan with a power seat. The vertical adjustment is great for shorter drivers.

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Post by Cody » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:54 am

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

If there are more ideas I love to hear them.

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can afford CRV

Post by dm200 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:12 am

dm200 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:17 am
Cody wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:14 am
My daughter is looking to replace an old CRV. She loves the car but can not afford the initial price point to get a lower milage one.
Plus she is only 5 feet tall and wants a vehicle that "sits up" high like a CRV.
Any suggestions of a cheaper than a CRV but still sits up nicely.
Thanks,
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Post by bloom2708 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:17 am

Look for a one owner, cared for, serviced Lexus RX 350 from 2008 to 2011 with low miles. They exist.

Just another option. People that buy new Lexus tend to take care of them. They also tend to buy another new Lexus. For some reason people don't want to buy used Lexus vehicles. That seems to drive the price down. I am generalizing, but I've seen some amazing deals on low mileage, one owner Lexus vehicles. My family owns 4 such vehicles (2 adults, 2 kid drivers). :wink:
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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can afford CRV

Post by runner3081 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:19 am

Jack FFR1846 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:25 am
Subaru Crosstrek. Great gas mileage, sits like a CRV, Doesn't create it's own extra oil, not a big hulk of a vehicle. The first year made was 2013 for reference. The seat does raise/lower (manual raise and lower except for a new limited)
Not sure that would fit the price requirements if a CRV is too much.

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by jlawrence01 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:25 am

One car that I like to drive that would fit all of the qualifications is the KIA Soul.

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Post by researcher » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:07 pm

Cody wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:14 am
My daughter is looking to replace an old CRV. She loves the car but can not afford the initial price point to get a lower milage one.
Plus she is only 5 feet tall and wants a vehicle that "sits up" high like a CRV.
Any suggestions of a cheaper than a CRV but still sits up nicely.
Surprised no one has given the obvious answer...Honda HR-V

If she likes and is familiar with Honda and the CR-V, but needs something less expensive, then the HR-V is the logical suggestion.

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by KSOC » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:11 pm

jlawrence01 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:25 am
One car that I like to drive that would fit all of the qualifications is the KIA Soul.
+1.
Sits up, great vision, easy in & out, great sound, drives great. Most fun driving car I ever had.
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Post by CULater » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:31 pm

New CRV-LX is $25,245 msrp with destination charge. Has the non-turbo engine, which I'd recommend. Does not have Honda Sensing safety electronics.
Base Subaru Forester is $24,710 MSRP similarly equipped, no safety system.
Base Toyota RAV4 is $25,705 MSRP but that includes Toyota Safety Sense safety system
Mazda CX-5 Sport is $25,345 MSRP with some safety system features

These are all comparable vehicles and run in the same price range MSRP, around $25K. Base CRV and Forester have no safety electronics, while RAV4 and CX-5 do have. Seems like you'll have to move out of this class of vehicle to get something less expensive, or look for used vehicle. New RAV4 due out later this year, so possibly have some room to deal on the 2018 model.

Be sure and check websites like Carcomplaints.com for issues. For example, the 2015 CRV was plagued by engine vibration problems that Honda never fixed. Likewise the 2014 and 2015 Forester had serious oil consumption problems and the Boxer 4 engine has been plagued with that. RAV4 has done much better.
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Post by ncbill » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:37 pm

CULater wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:31 pm
New CRV-LX is $25,245 msrp with destination charge. Has the non-turbo engine, which I'd recommend. Does not have Honda Sensing safety electronics.
Base Subaru Forester is $24,710 MSRP similarly equipped, no safety system.
Base Toyota RAV4 is $25,705 MSRP but that includes Toyota Safety Sense safety system
Mazda CX-5 Sport is $25,345 MSRP with some safety system features

These are all comparable vehicles and run in the same price range MSRP, around $25K. Base CRV and Forester have no safety electronics, while RAV4 and CX-5 do have. Seems like you'll have to move out of this class of vehicle to get something less expensive, or look for used vehicle. New RAV4 due out later this year, so possibly have some room to deal on the 2018 model.

Be sure and check websites like Carcomplaints.com for issues. For example, the 2015 CRV was plagued by engine vibration problems that Honda never fixed. Likewise the 2014 and 2015 Forester had serious oil consumption problems and the Boxer 4 engine has been plagued with that. RAV4 has done much better.
IIRC, all 2019 Subaru models will have Eyesight standard.

2019 Forester does, as well as LED headlights standard across all trim levels.
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Post by dbr » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:18 pm

If she can't afford a new car, then she buys a used car. Did you mean she can't afford the "price point" of a used but newer CRV? If that is the case, then probably she can't afford to replace the car at all. What is the price point that is affordable? You have to know that to know where to start. For new cars the cheapest start at about $12,000 but CXUV at about $22,000.

There are cheaper cars than a CRV, but they will be very small vehicles that don't "sit up."

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Post by David Jay » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:22 pm

My brother loves his Kia Sorento. Bought it new in 2013, still going strong.
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Post by Itster » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:23 pm

KSOC wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:11 pm
jlawrence01 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:25 am
One car that I like to drive that would fit all of the qualifications is the KIA Soul.
+1.
Sits up, great vision, easy in & out, great sound, drives great. Most fun driving car I ever had.
+2

Ditto and I've had more expensive cars in the past.

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Post by inbox788 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:39 pm

Cody wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:14 am
...old CRV...
She loves the car but can not afford the initial price point to get a lower milage one.
Year? Mileage? Problems?

A less old CRV?

If she can't afford a few thousand for a 2005 CRV, there's aren't going to be many good options. Or is she trying to get a circa 2010 (~10k)?

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Post by JoeRetire » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:42 pm

Jack FFR1846 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:25 am
Subaru Crosstrek.
But I don't think they are cheaper than CRVs?

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Post by RudyS » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:54 pm

Maybe too obvious: I have long legs, and when cars seemed to have shorter leg room than today, I would go and "try on cars." Then do research on those that pass the screen. There have been lots (and lots) of good ideas posted above. Can you find a used car place (Carmax?) with a lot of cars to just go try on? Or visit individual dealerships. Some less obvious possibilities may work out.

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Post by Alexa9 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:07 pm

Since you're on a budget, I'd consider a Civic/Corolla. Sitting up high is overrated. You get more car for your money (newer, lower miles) this way and everyone wants SUV's so they are more expensive.

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Post by brandy » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:27 am

Get a pillow.
I started driving wa-a-a-y back when, and have always used a pillow to sit "up".
In ALL of my vehicles.

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Post by dziuniek » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:47 am

CULater wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:31 pm
New CRV-LX is $25,245 msrp with destination charge. Has the non-turbo engine, which I'd recommend. Does not have Honda Sensing safety electronics.
Base Subaru Forester is $24,710 MSRP similarly equipped, no safety system.
Base Toyota RAV4 is $25,705 MSRP but that includes Toyota Safety Sense safety system
Mazda CX-5 Sport is $25,345 MSRP with some safety system features

These are all comparable vehicles and run in the same price range MSRP, around $25K. Base CRV and Forester have no safety electronics, while RAV4 and CX-5 do have. Seems like you'll have to move out of this class of vehicle to get something less expensive, or look for used vehicle. New RAV4 due out later this year, so possibly have some room to deal on the 2018 model.

Be sure and check websites like Carcomplaints.com for issues. For example, the 2015 CRV was plagued by engine vibration problems that Honda never fixed. Likewise the 2014 and 2015 Forester had serious oil consumption problems and the Boxer 4 engine has been plagued with that. RAV4 has done much better.
Sure, but don't take MSRP for granted. I do see a base 2018 Forester for $23,500 or so. That's just on cars.com.

An adjustable seat in any car will go a long way for shorter drivers.

All the crossovers are in a similar price range.

That being said, what's the difference between a new camry and a new Rav4? (1-2k ?) That isn't a real difference anyways. If she can't afford a new Camry for 23k, she shouldn't be looking at crossovers/SUVs for 25k++

So... a used car gets my vote.

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Post by jlawrence01 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:34 am

Alexa9 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:07 pm
Since you're on a budget, I'd consider a Civic/Corolla. Sitting up high is overrated. You get more car for your money (newer, lower miles) this way and everyone wants SUV's so they are more expensive.

That is NOT true.

I drive my elderly neighbors around a lot and they find it a LOT easier to get into and out of a Kia Soul than a Civic/Corolla. The seating is so much more comfortable and you generally have greater visibility.

After driving a 2017 Toyota Corolla last week, It is so much more difficult for me to get into the car than my 2007 Corolla that I am beginning to look at the Kia Soul as an alternative when I buy my new car in 2021.

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Post by tadamsmar » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:45 am

You could get a used CRV or similar.

Make sure you get one that has stability control, it makes a big difference on the safety of SUVs. That feature will be on anything in that class after the 2011 model year, so you will get it unless you consider an older vehicle.
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Post by dm200 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:01 am

In some cases, my wife just has a pillow to sit on while driving. "low tech" and "low cost" ;)

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Post by kmurp » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:22 pm

bloom2708 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:17 am
Look for a one owner, cared for, serviced Lexus RX 350 from 2008 to 2011 with low miles. They exist.

Just another option. People that buy new Lexus tend to take care of them. They also tend to buy another new Lexus. For some reason people don't want to buy used Lexus vehicles. That seems to drive the price down. I am generalizing, but I've seen some amazing deals on low mileage, one owner Lexus vehicles. My family owns 4 such vehicles (2 adults, 2 kid drivers). :wink:
I’m surprised that these used Lexus cars are so much less than a CRV.

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Post by NancyABQ » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:25 pm

KSOC wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:11 pm
jlawrence01 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:25 am
One car that I like to drive that would fit all of the qualifications is the KIA Soul.
+1.
Sits up, great vision, easy in & out, great sound, drives great. Most fun driving car I ever had.
+2

I have a Subaru Forester, which is awesome. But my Mom got a Kia Soul, after trying smaller cars and feeling that they rode too low (more for getting in/out than for vision). She loved her Kia Soul. I am pretty sure it cost <$20K.

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Post by AlphaLess » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:26 pm

Rupert wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:22 am
She should look at the Hyundai, Kia, Ford, and GM products in the same class, and consider buying one of those gently used (at least 2 years old to get the best deals). Those brands depreciate faster than Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus (and even Nissans and Mazdas), so are a better deal used than new. Alternatively, she should shift down a class, from the compact SUVs to the subcompact SUVs, which still sit up higher than sedans.
Very much agree with this plan. Here is a 3-factor method to cheapen the car:
- go down in size (from compact to sub-compact),
- go down in brand (from Honda to those other brands),
- go down in year. E.g., instead of looking at a 2016, she can go for a 2015 or a 2014.

Another possibility: look at cross-overs.
But it is a personal choice so she need to try the alternative cars one by one.
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Post by dbr » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:26 pm

It would help to know what she can afford since that is the actual problem.

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Post by Cody » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:38 pm

I asked he what the price point is and she said with trade tops is about $10,000. So with a trade of $2000 (old CRV) she could get a vehicle around 10-11K after taxes etc.

She is looking at 2016 Ford Escape with hail damage at around $9000. Like the feel but not sure of a clear title at this point. Needs to see if insurance will cover that vehicle. I know little about Eascapes but it is a step down from Honda CRV's.

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Post by stan1 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:37 pm

Kia Souls have quite the following from people who want a car that's easy to get into and offers plenty of shoulder/hip room. The box on wheels fad is mostly over but the Soul is still a pragmatic choice. Plus the Kia warranty. I think its a good value new. You could see what a 3-5 year old used one would sell for to get into her price point.

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Post by inbox788 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:57 pm

dbr wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:26 pm
It would help to know what she can afford since that is the actual problem.
The most affordable option is most likely to repair and maintain her current CRV, and it sounds like she can barely do that.
Cody wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:14 am
She loves the car but can not afford the initial price point to get a lower milage one.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... chRadius=0
Cody wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:38 pm
I asked he what the price point is and she said with trade tops is about $10,000. So with a trade of $2000 (old CRV) she could get a vehicle around 10-11K after taxes etc.
There...finally a price point. Around $10k is 2010 +/- CRV. You're not going to find much that is going to be a lot better out there.

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Post by dratkinson » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:39 pm

If she loves the CRV, then I'd opt to have it repaired.

This is what I've done to maintain a '90 Montero. It's major repairs have cost less than 1yr of new car payments. And those repairs have been ~10yrs apart. The last repair was for approximately its blue book value.

I keep it running since I can't find anything I like better. (Long waist so my head hits the roof of most vehicles... and I can't afford a MB G500.)
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Post by Alexa9 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:49 pm

jlawrence01 wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:34 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:07 pm
Since you're on a budget, I'd consider a Civic/Corolla. Sitting up high is overrated. You get more car for your money (newer, lower miles) this way and everyone wants SUV's so they are more expensive.

That is NOT true.

I drive my elderly neighbors around a lot and they find it a LOT easier to get into and out of a Kia Soul than a Civic/Corolla. The seating is so much more comfortable and you generally have greater visibility.

After driving a 2017 Toyota Corolla last week, It is so much more difficult for me to get into the car than my 2007 Corolla that I am beginning to look at the Kia Soul as an alternative when I buy my new car in 2021.
Well we're not talking about you or elderly people, are we? We're talking about the OP's 5'0" daughter.

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Post by Spewin » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:58 pm

I'm not sure what "sits up" means, but when I drive my in-laws Honda Fit, I feel like I'm sitting in a char at a dining table. If that's what she's looking for, a Fit from a private party might be the ticket.

You/She might need to adjust your definition of "low milage" to under 60-80,000. To get in that price range.

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Post by carguyny » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:16 pm

99% of people are confused with seating position, you want to be as low as possible looking as far out and up as possible. Look for cars with great visibility, which has nothing to do with car height or sitting up as you put it. Lots of compact SUVs I've sat in have terrible A-pillar blind spots.

Here are a couple of videos that explain the steps in setting a seat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9gMaf99-mI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... b9CUaYgklc

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Post by dbr » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:00 am

carguyny wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:16 pm
99% of people are confused with seating position, you want to be as low as possible looking as far out and up as possible. Look for cars with great visibility, which has nothing to do with car height or sitting up as you put it. Lots of compact SUVs I've sat in have terrible A-pillar blind spots.

Here are a couple of videos that explain the steps in setting a seat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9gMaf99-mI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... b9CUaYgklc
Good video. I suspect that the OP may be using the wrong language to describe the issue but may still have a valid idea of what kind of car is wanted. As to seeing out of the car, there is this list: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars-ca ... isibility/ I don't know where the CRV falls on that, specifically. That list is what got me into a Subaru dealership after I failed to find a sedan I was willing to buy otherwise.

Also, the OP seems to be confused about a vehicle that sits up and a driver that sits up. It can be helpful for any driver to have a vehicle where the seating position is higher relative to the road surface than in another vehicle, but that is different from sitting high in the vehicle. As an aside, one of my very short friends swears by the Honda Fit, which by the way, is number six on that CR list above.

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Post by CULater » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:42 am

stan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:37 pm
Kia Souls have quite the following from people who want a car that's easy to get into and offers plenty of shoulder/hip room. The box on wheels fad is mostly over but the Soul is still a pragmatic choice. Plus the Kia warranty. I think its a good value new. You could see what a 3-5 year old used one would sell for to get into her price point.
I'm in Sun City where the old folks live, and since reading this thread I've been noticing that I see Kia Souls everywhere out here where I live, probably more than any other brand. I guess they are popular here. We oldsters place a premium on getting in and out of a vehicle easily without a lot of bending and twisting. And it's a small vehicle that looks easy to park, as well as having some pretty good cargo room because of the squarish shape. I'll have to check them out.
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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by inbox788 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:33 pm

Alexa9 wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:49 pm
Well we're not talking about you or elderly people, are we? We're talking about the OP's 5'0" daughter.
For all we know, OP is 98 and daughter could be 79, but we don't know...and probably it isn't.
Spewin wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:58 pm
I'm not sure what "sits up" means, but when I drive my in-laws Honda Fit, I feel like I'm sitting in a char at a dining table. If that's what she's looking for, a Fit from a private party might be the ticket.

You/She might need to adjust your definition of "low milage" to under 60-80,000. To get in that price range.
I was going to suggest the Fit [and it's a great little car], but coming from a CRV, I'm afraid it will be perceived as a downgrade. You can get a fairly new Fit for 10k with "real" low mileage, but "adjusted" low mileage is good enough for CRV.
carguyny wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:16 pm
99% of people are confused with seating position, you want to be as low as possible looking as far out and up as possible. Look for cars with great visibility, which has nothing to do with car height or sitting up as you put it. Lots of compact SUVs I've sat in have terrible A-pillar blind spots.
I think the buzz word is "command driving position", which is different than "driver visibility". The former has more to do with a taller vehicle and being able to see above traffic like a bus driver, while the latter is more about sitting position and car visibility. I think OPs daughter is talking about former as height isn't really as much as factor in the latter.
A high driving position not only gives you a great view out over other traffic, but it also helps when it comes to spotting cyclists and obstacles when parking.
Google found this UK site which contains some brands/models not seen in the US: https://www.carwow.co.uk/best/cars-with ... tions-0247 [and none see to apply to OP]

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by z0r » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:42 pm

command seating means less and less these days as the roads are cluttered with tall cars with very small windows with lots of tint (can't see through them anymore)

once we're all driving tall-for-2005 cars, will this become an arms race? Will the cars just keep getting taller?

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by HIinvestor » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:30 pm

My nieces like their Nissan Rogues. They liked that the price was a bit lower than Honda or Toyota. So far, no complaints from either of them.

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by Lynette » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:48 pm

Cody wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:38 pm
I asked he what the price point is and she said with trade tops is about $10,000. So with a trade of $2000 (old CRV) she could get a vehicle around 10-11K after taxes etc.

She is looking at 2016 Ford Escape with hail damage at around $9000. Like the feel but not sure of a clear title at this point. Needs to see if insurance will cover that vehicle. I know little about Eascapes but it is a step down from Honda CRV's.

Cody
I bought an Escape about a month ago as I could get a large discount on it. This is my first CUV and I love it as I can transport my plants and trees around more easily. Where I live in Michigan there are Ford, GM and Chrysler products galore. I notice that Subaru is popular on this website. I looked into it and the safety features are impressive but I rarely see one on the road. I don't know much about these products but I think that GM makes a Trax that is the low end of their CUV line. Also the low end of the Ford Products is the EcoSport. I don't know much about these products but my street is full of Escapes and Jeeps.

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by theplayer11 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:19 pm

carguyny wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:16 pm
99% of people are confused with seating position, you want to be as low as possible looking as far out and up as possible. Look for cars with great visibility, which has nothing to do with car height or sitting up as you put it. Lots of compact SUVs I've sat in have terrible A-pillar blind spots.

Here are a couple of videos that explain the steps in setting a seat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9gMaf99-mI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... b9CUaYgklc
nope, I want to be as high as possible. After driving SUVs for over 20 years, when I get into a sedan I don't feel safe.

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by FireProof » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:53 am

theplayer11 wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:19 pm
carguyny wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:16 pm
99% of people are confused with seating position, you want to be as low as possible looking as far out and up as possible. Look for cars with great visibility, which has nothing to do with car height or sitting up as you put it. Lots of compact SUVs I've sat in have terrible A-pillar blind spots.

Here are a couple of videos that explain the steps in setting a seat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9gMaf99-mI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... b9CUaYgklc
nope, I want to be as high as possible. After driving SUVs for over 20 years, when I get into a sedan I don't feel safe.
A common feeling (though not based on any reality), but just to note that an SUV 20 years was MUCH more dangerous than a sedan, though that problem has largely been fixed:

"(In a thirty-five-m.p.h. crashtest, for instance, the driver of a Cadillac Escalade—the G.M. counterpart to the Lincoln Navigator—has a sixteen-percent chance of a life-threatening head injury, a twenty-percent chance of a life-threatening chest injury, and a thirty-five-percent chance of a leg injury. The same numbers in a Ford Windstar minivan—a vehicle engineered from the ground up, as opposed to simply being bolted onto a pickup-truck frame—are, respectively, two percent, four percent, and one percent.)

But this desire for safety wasn’t a rational calculation. It was a feeling. Over the past decade, a number of major automakers in America have relied on the services of a French-born cultural anthropologist, G. Clotaire Rapaille, whose specialty is getting beyond the rational— what he calls “cortex”—impressions of consumers and tapping into their deeper, “reptilian” responses. And what Rapaille concluded from countless, intensive sessions with car buyers was that when S.U.V. buyers thought about safety they were thinking about something that reached into their deepest unconscious. “The No. 1 feeling is that everything surrounding you should be round and soft, and should give,” Rapaille told me. “There
should be air bags everywhere. Then there’s this notion that you need to be up high. That’s a contradiction, because the people who buy these S.U.V.s know at the cortex level that if you are high there is more chance of a rollover. But at the reptilian level they think that if I am bigger
and taller I’m safer. You feel secure because you are higher and dominate and look down. That you can look down is psychologically a very powerful notion. And what was the key element of safety when you were a child? It was that your mother fed you, and there was warm liquid.
That’s why cup holders are absolutely crucial for safety. If there is a car that has no cup holder, it is not safe. If I can put my coffee there, if I can have my food, if everything is round, if it’s soft, and if I’m high, then I feel safe."

http://www.insuranceobserver.com/PDF/2005/090905.pdf

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by smitcat » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:40 am

FireProof wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:53 am
theplayer11 wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:19 pm
carguyny wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:16 pm
99% of people are confused with seating position, you want to be as low as possible looking as far out and up as possible. Look for cars with great visibility, which has nothing to do with car height or sitting up as you put it. Lots of compact SUVs I've sat in have terrible A-pillar blind spots.

Here are a couple of videos that explain the steps in setting a seat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9gMaf99-mI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... b9CUaYgklc
nope, I want to be as high as possible. After driving SUVs for over 20 years, when I get into a sedan I don't feel safe.
A common feeling (though not based on any reality), but just to note that an SUV 20 years was MUCH more dangerous than a sedan, though that problem has largely been fixed:

"(In a thirty-five-m.p.h. crashtest, for instance, the driver of a Cadillac Escalade—the G.M. counterpart to the Lincoln Navigator—has a sixteen-percent chance of a life-threatening head injury, a twenty-percent chance of a life-threatening chest injury, and a thirty-five-percent chance of a leg injury. The same numbers in a Ford Windstar minivan—a vehicle engineered from the ground up, as opposed to simply being bolted onto a pickup-truck frame—are, respectively, two percent, four percent, and one percent.)

But this desire for safety wasn’t a rational calculation. It was a feeling. Over the past decade, a number of major automakers in America have relied on the services of a French-born cultural anthropologist, G. Clotaire Rapaille, whose specialty is getting beyond the rational— what he calls “cortex”—impressions of consumers and tapping into their deeper, “reptilian” responses. And what Rapaille concluded from countless, intensive sessions with car buyers was that when S.U.V. buyers thought about safety they were thinking about something that reached into their deepest unconscious. “The No. 1 feeling is that everything surrounding you should be round and soft, and should give,” Rapaille told me. “There
should be air bags everywhere. Then there’s this notion that you need to be up high. That’s a contradiction, because the people who buy these S.U.V.s know at the cortex level that if you are high there is more chance of a rollover. But at the reptilian level they think that if I am bigger
and taller I’m safer. You feel secure because you are higher and dominate and look down. That you can look down is psychologically a very powerful notion. And what was the key element of safety when you were a child? It was that your mother fed you, and there was warm liquid.
That’s why cup holders are absolutely crucial for safety. If there is a car that has no cup holder, it is not safe. If I can put my coffee there, if I can have my food, if everything is round, if it’s soft, and if I’m high, then I feel safe."

http://www.insuranceobserver.com/PDF/2005/090905.pdf

Data that is a bit more current than 2005 ....
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/gener ... r-vehicles

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by core4portfolio » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:00 am

I saw many shorter people driving CRV using pillow on top of the car sear for better visibility
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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by jadd806 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:53 am

Alexa9 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:07 pm
Since you're on a budget, I'd consider a Civic/Corolla. Sitting up high is overrated. You get more car for your money (newer, lower miles) this way and everyone wants SUV's so they are more expensive.
Agreed, when on a budget I'd rather have a newer sedan of a more reliable make with more modern safety features than some 5+ year old Ford/GM piece of junk SUV. Amusing how all the people who seem to be obsessed with sitting up high always seem to be tailgaters. They feel the need to "see over" the vehicles in front of them because they're so close that the vehicle in front would otherwise comprise a good 1/3 of their total visual area. Maintaining a safe following distance negates most or all of the benefits of "seeing over" other vehicles.
theplayer11 wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:19 pm
nope, I want to be as high as possible. After driving SUVs for over 20 years, when I get into a sedan I don't feel safe.
Funny, I feel like SUVs are unsafe. The statistics might show that SUVs protect the occupants more during a crash, but I'd rather do everything I can to avoid a crash in the first place. SUVs accelerate more slowly, can't stop as quickly, handle as poorly as you'd expect a lifted cube shape to, and most models on the market have poor visibility everywhere except directly in front of the driver.

I have never been in a serious crash, but I have had several "near misses" where I was able to take evasive action to get myself out of danger. I don't know of any SUVs below the $100k price range that would have been able to handle the maneuvers that I needed to pull on those days without rolling over or losing control.

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Re: A vehicle that "sits up" but can't afford CRV

Post by Rupert » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:13 am

jadd806 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:53 am

Amusing how all the people who seem to be obsessed with sitting up high always seem to be tailgaters. They feel the need to "see over" the vehicles in front of them because they're so close that the vehicle in front would otherwise comprise a good 1/3 of their total visual area. Maintaining a safe following distance negates most or all of the benefits of "seeing over" other vehicles.
That's funny -- I've had exactly the opposite experience. I find it's typically young women or men (young to middle-aged) driving small sedans who tailgate most often. Most of the people I know who buy SUVs to "sit up higher" are short older women.

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