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2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by mbres60 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:30 pm

We are in the market for a new car because the 15 year old Buick Le Sabre my dh drove died. He is quite upset about this and is having trouble deciding which car to buy. We are both retired and this car will be our main car. He is tall (6' with long legs) but I am short (almost 5'3"). The Camry is not as hard to get into as my 2001 Camry (dimensions say it is currently 2" taller than my car). I can easily get into the Rav 4 but because the seats have "bolsters" on the edges one can not easily slide into the seat. We hold cars for a long time so I foresee a time when I could possibly break a hip or just be feeble. I read another thread where one person mentioned someone who broke a hip had a hard time getting into a Camry but I don't know if it is an older one like mine which is low down.

Anyone have any ideas? Really curious to know about people in late 60's + how they think of these cars.

Thanks.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by fire_rebel » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:39 pm

SUV's/CUV's are the new trend. Sedan sales are declining year over year.
If you want to follow the trend go with RAV4.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by jebmke » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:42 pm

I am 65 (5'11"); my wife just bought a 2018 Camry Hybrid in December. It is comfortable riding in it but it is low and a bit of a contortion to get into the passenger seat. I rarely drive it - I find the dashboard a major distraction -- so I can't comment on driving it much. The few times I drove it it seemed fine. But again, it takes a bit of work to get in.

I have a 2008 RAV4 which I hope to drive another 10 years.
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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by bob60014 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:44 pm

My mil, who had hip replacements with one being problematic, loved getting in and out of our Rav 4. She kind of slid into and slid out of the seat without issue. The other car a Honda Accord, she didnt so well with.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by Jack FFR1846 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:45 pm

Is there a reason you wouldn't expand to other cars? Camry-->Accord, Altima, Legacy or Rav 4 ---> Forester.

I can tell you from my own family, my 85 year old father in law bought a 2017 Subaru Forester and my 82 year old mom is about to buy a 50th anniversary Subaru Forester. We've been car shopping also and while waiting for a car to drive, I sat in an 18 Forester for the first time and was surprised that I did not have to step up at all. Very car like height to get in. We're buying a year old Legacy as they are some of the only Subarus that devalue in their first year.
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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by sport » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:50 pm

The best way to decide is for both of you to test drive both cars. Until you actually get into and out of them, you will not know.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by jebmke » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:54 pm

sport wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:50 pm
The best way to decide is for both of you to test drive both cars. Until you actually get into and out of them, you will not know.
I would add, when test driving, make sure it is a long drive. We test drove Honda Accord. After 20-30 minutes it was clear that the seats were terribly uncomfortable.
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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by Dottie57 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:58 pm

mbres60 wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:30 pm
We are in the market for a new car because the 15 year old Buick Le Sabre my dh drove died. He is quite upset about this and is having trouble deciding which car to buy. We are both retired and this car will be our main car. He is tall (6' with long legs) but I am short (almost 5'3"). The Camry is not as hard to get into as my 2001 Camry (dimensions say it is currently 2" taller than my car). I can easily get into the Rav 4 but because the seats have "bolsters" on the edges one can not easily slide into the seat. We hold cars for a long time so I foresee a time when I could possibly break a hip or just be feeble. I read another thread where one person mentioned someone who broke a hip had a hard time getting into a Camry but I don't know if it is an older one like mine which is low down.

Anyone have any ideas? Really curious to know about people in late 60's + how they think of these cars.

Thanks.
I just bought a Camry. It fits me really well. But I am five foot six inches tall. Rav 4 didn’t work so well.

As was said above go and drive the cars.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by mbres60 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:11 pm

Thanks for the replies so far. We have test driven the cars. That is not the issue. Wanted to know which cars are easier to get in and out of if one is feeble or has a broken hip, etc.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by jebmke » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:16 pm

The Camry is very low. That is a natural barrier for tall people or those who are not limber and fit.
When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by CedarWaxWing » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:23 pm

mbres60 wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:30 pm
We are in the market for a new car because the 15 year old Buick Le Sabre my dh drove died. He is quite upset about this and is having trouble deciding which car to buy. We are both retired and this car will be our main car. He is tall (6' with long legs) but I am short (almost 5'3"). The Camry is not as hard to get into as my 2001 Camry (dimensions say it is currently 2" taller than my car). I can easily get into the Rav 4 but because the seats have "bolsters" on the edges one can not easily slide into the seat. We hold cars for a long time so I foresee a time when I could possibly break a hip or just be feeble. I read another thread where one person mentioned someone who broke a hip had a hard time getting into a Camry but I don't know if it is an older one like mine which is low down.

Anyone have any ideas? Really curious to know about people in late 60's + how they think of these cars.

Thanks.
1. If you have a broken hip most cars will not be easy to get into unless your hip is healed and doing well. That is not a predictable result, as all fractures are different, and the results of the healing all different.

How it feels to get into now is most pertinent, as it will still be be better to get into the the one that does work well for you now. (Being less cramped now on entry and exit is likely the key in that regard.)


2. If you are in a snow zone the Rav or Subaru Forester may be a good choice due to the AWD function, but if are not in an area that gets significant snow or ice the car that is the most comfortable to drive of those three would be good, since all those cars are pretty well made and have good repair records in the past. Honda CRV are also reliable, but any car you chose should pass your getting in and out, and driving comfort test. Renting one for 2-3 day trip may help to clarify how it feels to be in it for hours at a time?

best wishes.
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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by Rupert » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:27 pm

This is a very personal decision, so I don't think you should choose based on what others have chosen. I also don't think you can predict now what you will prefer should you become feeble down the road. That said, a higher car (but not too high) is probably a safer bet. The higher car is almost always going to be easier for most people to get in and out of. I find that a seat that is just a little bit lower than my hip height is perfect. (I have a bad back). Getting leather (fake leather is what Toyota offers in the Rav4, I think) will also make sliding in and out a bit easier.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by dbr » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:30 pm

Forrester was rated the easiest to enter and exit. That is a consequence of largest door height and convenient street to seat height step in. That same car is also rated best for vision to the outside through largest and most unobstructed windows. It is not necessarily the most comfortable car, best handling, or best ride. I think there are some good reasons for the popularity of CSUV's

Disclaimer: I went from a fifteen year old Buick LeSabre to an Outback because I couldn't find a sedan I liked anymore. The Outback is a way better choice than a small sedan (Camry) for getting in and out. Any other CSUV has that advantage.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by Sasquatch » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:52 pm

jebmke wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:16 pm
The Camry is very low. That is a natural barrier for tall people or those who are not limber and fit.
I like our Subaru Outback. Sits up a little higher, easier to sit down. 6'8 tall and there is a surprising amount of leg room. Not trying to sway you from a Toyota product as they are excellent. I would go with the RAV
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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by letsgobobby » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:55 pm

jebmke wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:42 pm
I am 65 (5'11"); my wife just bought a 2018 Camry Hybrid in December. It is comfortable riding in it but it is low and a bit of a contortion to get into the passenger seat. I rarely drive it - I find the dashboard a major distraction -- so I can't comment on driving it much. The few times I drove it it seemed fine. But again, it takes a bit of work to get in.

I have a 2008 RAV4 which I hope to drive another 10 years.
i have an 06 rav, same generation. it is very comfortable, handles snow and mud and dirt roads easily especially witih snow tires, and has been very reliable. i dont know if I’ll get ten more years but I plan on 250,000 miles.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by rgs92 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:01 pm

The Nissan Maxima is better for tall drivers. I am over 5 feet and have long legs so I am very familiar with this problem. It's fine for my short wife too.
Hyundais are also good, like the Azera. I find all Toyotas (even the Avalon) have skimpy legroom and that's why I don't buy them. Lexus is better.
The Acura TL I tried is also OK.

If you want an SUV, I drove a Lexus NX 300 and found it had decent leg room, and it was a very quiet and well-handling car that I liked overall.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by BolderBoy » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:23 pm

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by DavidW » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:41 pm

I recently bought a used car (SUV) and the guy who sold it to me told me that he had to sell below bluebook when he sold an older Camry. SUV is not only a trend but is driving away demand from regular sedans.

If do you end up getting a Camry, have them take the loss so that you don't take a bath when you try to sell it...

good luck....

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by CULater » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:08 pm

Be nice if you could wait for the 2019 RAV4 which is due out in the Fall. Far superior to the current one. If you end up with the 2018 you should be able to deal, since the new model is on the way. An acquaintance of mine has a 2018 RAV4 and I was surprised that she was able to lock it with the keys inside; had to call a locksmith. I thought new cars all had goof-proof tech, but apparently this RAV4 doesn't. Don't know which model she has.
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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by mbres60 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:50 pm

We actually can wait for a car however I don’t really want to. My car is a 2001 Camry that just passed 50,000 miles. Low miles on a 17 year old car is not the best. If we just use this it may break down much sooner. I feel that once this car goes we won’t need a second car anymore and
will just be a one car family. This car is lower down than the current version of Camry so hard for hubby to get in and out. Strangely he is the one willing to wait although it is because it makes it so he doesn’t have to buy a new one. He loved his old one.

When does the 2019 version come out? FYI we would have looked at CRV but the thread about the fuel in oil turned us off.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by billfromct » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:12 pm

I'm in my late 60s, 6'1" & just bought a 2018 Camry. I've bought 5 Toyota vehicles over the past 32 years.

Great fuel economy (35-36 mpg) around town. No real long highway trips yet but expecting 45-46 mpg for highway only driving.

The Camry is low & I hit my knee on the lower part of the dashboard while entering the car for the first week or so until I got used to the low seat.

My next vehicle will be a RAV4 or Forester in 4 or 5 years to get some hauling capability & ease of entry. I will give the Camry to my 30 something son.

If I had to do it over (the February 2018 purchase), I would get the compact SUV for the hauling capability & ease of entry.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by MulesFan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:17 pm

2019 Rav4 is due out in the fall or winter 2018. I think I remember reading that the non hybrid is due in late fall and the hybrid is due a few months later. There are lots of articles about the new Rav4, so you should be able to find something more reliable than my memory to give you more info. I don’t think a precise date has been set.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by BanditKing » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:47 pm

The 2019 Rav4 Hybrid has my serious attention. Hoping it lives up to the expectations.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by ssquared87 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:28 am

mbres60 wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:11 pm
Thanks for the replies so far. We have test driven the cars. That is not the issue. Wanted to know which cars are easier to get in and out of if one is feeble or has a broken hip, etc.
If you test drove them, then it should be obvious to you which one was easier for you to get into. If you can’t tell the difference then it doesn’t matter.

If you decide on going with an SUV, have a look at the RAV4 competitors like the Mazda CX-5 and the Subaru Forrester. The RAV4 is a lousy vehicle that consistently looses comparison tests to its peers. Reviews cite its cheap interior that is prone to developing rattles, an undefined engine, and clumsy handling among many other complaints. Yes it’s reliable, but so are it’s competitors. There’s absolutely no reason to buy a RAV4 unless you can get one for $10-15k off MSRP because that’s about all it’s worth

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by ssquared87 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:34 am

dbr wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:30 pm
The Outback is a way better choice than a small sedan (Camry) for getting in and out. Any other CSUV has that advantage.
You do realize that the Camry is longer, wider and has a longer wheelbase than the outback right? The interior dimensions are mostly the same between the two, except that the Camry has about 1.5” less headroom.

By your logic if the Camry is a small car, the Outback is a sub compact vehicle.

If OP doesn’t need the AWD of the Subaru and is comfortable getting into and out of the Camry , there’s no point in getting an SUV. An outback gets 25/31 MPG vs the Camry which is rated at 29/41.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by Finridge » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:46 am

This is why I don't have a 2018 RAV 4: "The RAV4 rated Good in the driver-side test, left, and Poor in the passenger-side test." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/busi ... picks.html

I heard they worked on fixing this in the 2019 RAV 4 which will be released in a few months.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by wander » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:08 am

It's your car. You want to buy what is comfortable for you now. Your hip may never break. Why are you worrying on something that is not happening? When it happens, you can always replace with a new car.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by dbr » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:38 am

ssquared87 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:34 am
dbr wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:30 pm
The Outback is a way better choice than a small sedan (Camry) for getting in and out. Any other CSUV has that advantage.
You do realize that the Camry is longer, wider and has a longer wheelbase than the outback right? The interior dimensions are mostly the same between the two, except that the Camry has about 1.5” less headroom.

By your logic if the Camry is a small car, the Outback is a sub compact vehicle.

If OP doesn’t need the AWD of the Subaru and is comfortable getting into and out of the Camry , there’s no point in getting an SUV. An outback gets 25/31 MPG vs the Camry which is rated at 29/41.
The comparison is to the Buick LeSabre that the OP wishes they still had. That was my situation and I know exactly what they are talking about.

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Re: 2018 RAV 4 or Camry

Post by Alexa9 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:46 am

Can't go wrong with either one. Camry is brand new this year, might want to check Toyota forums for any minor issues. The RAV4 will be all new for 2019 so the 2018 should have all the kinks worked out. But it's a Toyota so how many kinks can there be? If you get much snow, the RAV4 makes sense. Otherwise I prefer sedans. Snow tires make FWD sedans pretty capable too.

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