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Computer RAM Prices

Post by crystalbank » Sat May 26, 2018 3:03 pm

It looks like PC RAM prices have pretty much doubled over the last two years. Is there a reason for this? Crypto mining? Or just good old cartels?

In any case, I think I'm going to wait on building a new PC.

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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by tibbitts » Sat May 26, 2018 3:23 pm

crystalbank wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 3:03 pm
It looks like PC RAM prices have pretty much doubled over the last two years. Is there a reason for this? Crypto mining? Or just good old cartels?

In any case, I think I'm going to wait on building a new PC.
How long will you wait? Indefinitely?

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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by iamlucky13 » Sat May 26, 2018 3:26 pm

Talking to somebody at Intel recently, crypto mining may be part of it, but it sounds like mainly increasing web server demand is the main factor.

The RAM industry already had a cartel broken up quite a while back. What they're doing lately is not direct price fixing, but the fabs have been slowing down their production growth due to the big oversupply crisis they had a few years ago. What's going on in the back room I couldn't say, but they have each been public about these plans, so perhaps they're independently moving in their own self interest without actual collusion by making tentative production plan changes, and watching if their competitors follow suit, recognizing the same self-interest in avoiding over-supply.

I think 2 years ago was the tail end of the over-supply, so I figure today's prices are mainly a reversal of market conditions.

Meanwhile, this is fueling more efforts into reducing RAM use by leaning more on fast virtual memory on NAND flash, and potential an even better non-volatile product in between NAND and DRAM that Intel and Micron are calling 3D Xpoint.

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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by jharkin » Sat May 26, 2018 4:11 pm

Ok, you got me to go look at ram prices for the first time in nearly a decade...

Looks like $50 buys about 4GB.

I remember when $50 didn't even buy 1MB...

oh how times have changed....

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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by dual » Sat May 26, 2018 4:29 pm

jharkin wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 4:11 pm
Ok, you got me to go look at ram prices for the first time in nearly a decade...

Looks like $50 buys about 4GB.
My goodness they have gone up. Here is the price for 8 gigabytes (GB) from my last PC build in 2012 (still going strong :!: :D )
1 of: Corsair Vengeance 8 GB ( 2 x 4 GB ) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) 240-Pin DDR3 Memory Kit for Intel Core i3, i5, i7 and AMD Platforms SDRAM CMZ8GX3M2A1600 [Personal Computers]
Condition: New
Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
$53.99
edit: I did upgrade to a Samsung 850 EVO 500GB solid state drive last year. Still good old Windows 7.

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Post by lazydavid » Sat May 26, 2018 4:56 pm

This has hit me in a major way this year, as I'm in the middle of a server refresh cycle. The price of RAM doubled between April and January, and then again from January to May. End result is a server with 512GB of RAM cost me $12k all-in 13 months ago. This month the memory alone was almost $19k, totaling roughly $26k for a single server.

I wound up going way over budget and still only doing half of what I had planned for. You can blame Amazon, Google, and Microsoft, as they have a massive demand for their respective cloud platforms. I've heard from two sources that Amazon alone purchased 550,000 servers in Q1, and I have to assume they're rocking at least a terabyte of RAM apiece.
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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by crystalbank » Sat May 26, 2018 4:56 pm

tibbitts wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 3:23 pm
crystalbank wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 3:03 pm
It looks like PC RAM prices have pretty much doubled over the last two years. Is there a reason for this? Crypto mining? Or just good old cartels?

In any case, I think I'm going to wait on building a new PC.
How long will you wait? Indefinitely?
Probably the end of the year. If the RAM prices do go down, it'll be great but if not oh well I will bear the burden. It's a bit unusual in the electronics world because you always get more bytes per $ as times goes by.

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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by pondering » Sat May 26, 2018 5:24 pm

I thought the 100,000+ computer purchases were of low to mid range specs
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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by lazydavid » Sat May 26, 2018 11:25 pm

pondering wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 5:24 pm
I thought the 100,000+ computer purchases were of low to mid range specs
Possible, but seems unlikely given what they're being used for. AWS is essentially a giant Virtualization farm, which is the same thing I'm doing only 700 orders of magnitude larger. VM hosts are almost always memory-bound, but typically have CPU and I/O to spare. So adding a few hundred thousand servers to the farm with modest amounts of memory in each would only make the imbalance worse.

That, and a half-million boxes with 64 or 128GB of RAM each wouldn't cause a global memory shortage.

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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by Epsilon Delta » Sun May 27, 2018 12:06 am

lazydavid wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 11:25 pm
AWS is essentially a giant Virtualization farm, which is the same thing I'm doing only 700 orders of magnitude larger.
There are fewer that 10E200 planck volumes in the observable universe I suspect your order of magnitude is off by about three orders of magnitude.

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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by killjoy2012 » Sun May 27, 2018 1:17 am

There's actually another class action lawsuit in the works for price fixing among the few remaining suppliers. This occurred a few years back too. Most blame the mobile/cellphone market... plus several major DRAM manufacturers going under.

right now, 8GB is ~ $100, which is pretty crazy expensive.

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Re: Computer RAM Prices

Post by pondering » Sun May 27, 2018 10:29 am

This is an interesting article about amazon's offerings:

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/14/aws-n ... of-memory/
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