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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by jebmke » Thu May 17, 2018 12:43 pm

TxAg wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:39 pm
Nobody is in the back cooking wine, though.
Someone is maintaining inventory, ordering, making sure that old bottles are taken off the list. I don't know how tips are shared with sommeliers at restaurants that have them.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by bgf » Thu May 17, 2018 12:44 pm

20% of the entire bill, including wine, beer, cocktails, whatever. i've never ordered a bottle of wine over, probably, $75 at a restaurant.

the only time i don't tip is when i am picking up takeout or ordering at the register and walking my food to a table.

at coffee shops, it depends on the order, i normally add $1-2. i've tipped $1 on a $2 espresso before just because i caught myself thinking about it too long... definitely not necessary, but i remember doing it.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by midareff » Thu May 17, 2018 1:23 pm

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What if I order water (free), do I tip zero? It is the same amount of work if I order another non-alcoholic drink.
When one of us as designated driver orders water from a bartender, we always tip $1-2, even though water is "free". If we're at a restaurant already dining with a food check, then probably wouldn't add extra for glasses of tap water.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by roymeo » Thu May 17, 2018 1:30 pm

20% on it all. (US, CA, Bay Area)
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by jebmke » Thu May 17, 2018 1:34 pm

bgf wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:44 pm
LOL, designated to enable Uber or Lyft.
There is no such service in my area. If you can't drive you are SOL.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by LarryAllen » Thu May 17, 2018 1:35 pm

You sound cheap to me but whatever floats your boat. I would tip 20% on the total and not try to slice and dice the wine or any of that. I'd go over 20% if great and under 20% if horrible service. I also tip on the total not the sub-total as I know some cheapskates do. I would rather enjoy a nice meal then worry about if I am "over" tipping someone who is serving me. Life is too short.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by TheRightKost87 » Thu May 17, 2018 1:46 pm

I always tip 20%+ on food. Even when ordering drinks, I'll usually still tip about 20%, against my better judgment. It's somewhat rare that I order a bottle of wine at dinner though.
DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:08 pm
you want to short the wait staff their tip on wine
I don't look at it this way, for this reason:
tim1999 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:46 pm
They don't put in any more work on a $400 bottle vs. a $40 one.
Exactly. If I'm tipping the waiter for his/her going to the wine room, grabbing a bottle, bringing it to my table, and then opening/serving it - did their workload change whether it was $40 or $400? No. So why should their compensation for doing that change depending on how pricey the wine I happened to choose was?
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Thu May 17, 2018 1:35 pm
I also tip on the total not the sub-total as I know some cheapskates do.
It's interesting that a waiter in a high sales tax jurisdiction will get a bigger tip from you for doing the same exact thing as a waiter in low (or zero) sales tax jurisdiction would.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by scottgekko » Thu May 17, 2018 1:55 pm

I get what you're saying OP - why tip $20 on a $100 bottle, when a $10 bottle is the same amount of work and only 'requires' a $2 tip. But the way I look at it, I tip 20% on the total bill including tax. I'm already out $120+ for the meal+wine, what's another $10 to bring the tip total to $25-30? If it's the last $10 that's going to do me in, I probably don't need to spend the first $120. Unless you explain your math strategy up front, you will be assumed to be cheap - an probably still would be, but at least it's not a surprise.

On the other hand, if it pains me to come off the hip for tipping to the point I'm nickle and diming at a nice restaurant, I just wouldn't go there. I'd go somewhere less expensive. FWIW, I just drink beer so if I spend $100 on beer during dinner, I'm gonna need some help doing the math anyway!

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by PhilosophyAndrew » Thu May 17, 2018 2:26 pm

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DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:08 pm
LarryAllen wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:35 pm
I also tip on the total not the sub-total as I know some cheapskates do.
It's interesting that a waiter in a high sales tax jurisdiction will get a bigger tip from you for doing the same exact thing as a waiter in low (or zero) sales tax jurisdiction would.
For a $100 meal, 20% tip on the tax in a 3% tax jurisdiction would be $0.60 whereas 20% tip on the tax in a 9% jurisdiction would be $1.80. So, the waiter living in a low-tax jurisdiction doesn’t suffer greatly.

Andy.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by LarryG » Thu May 17, 2018 2:31 pm

Ever since my grandaughter worked as a server in high school and presently in college, I have increased tips. Whether we have a drink before dinner, or wine or beer with dinner, I tip the same
I round up a dollar or two above 20%. I usually tip more for breakfast because the work s the same, but charges are less.
In most cases we leave a cash tip. Servers prefer that.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by GCD » Thu May 17, 2018 2:34 pm

The "amount of work" justification for going cheap on the wine is equally applicable to going cheap on the food. If you went to a 5 star restaurant that you needed reservations months in advance just to get a table, would you tip the same amount as if you ate at Chilis because it's the same amount of effort to bring you a plate of food?

The real solution for all of this is to accept that the American tipping structure is what it is. If tipping 20% on alcohol irritates you too much, just don't order alcohol. Or better yet, do the waiters a favor and quit eating at restaurants you can't afford.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by HornedToad » Thu May 17, 2018 2:42 pm

sfnerd wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:10 pm
20% for good service.

If you can't tip 20% on the wine, you can't afford the restaurant.

Less if the service is poor, and more if the service is amazing.
IMO, this attitude is silly but it's one of the reasons I bring my own wine. Then I'm tipping on a $20-40 corkage instead of on a $200-300 bottle of wine. Especially if it's a special occasion and we have 2 bottles of wine.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by Darth Xanadu » Thu May 17, 2018 3:04 pm

Good Listener wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:23 pm
I'm glad I don't drink in restaurants. To read that a person pays $50 for food and 1.5 times that for wine is so strange to me. Can people not hold off for an hour or two?
What a ... utilitarian .. comment.

OP, I do not tip differently for alcohol. I generally spend $60-$120 on a bottle of wine however, so nothing upscale.

I tip 18%-25% of the total bill depending on service. If I'm at a sports bar or similar, having a burger and a couple beers, I'll generally tip 20% - 40%.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by ponyboy » Thu May 17, 2018 3:09 pm

GCD wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 8:23 pm
theplayer11 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 7:34 pm
real men drink beer
and don't eat quiche.
What kind of real man doesnt eat eggs and cheese?

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by DaftInvestor » Thu May 17, 2018 3:09 pm

PhilosophyAndrew wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 2:26 pm
L
DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:08 pm
LarryAllen wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:35 pm
I also tip on the total not the sub-total as I know some cheapskates do.
It's interesting that a waiter in a high sales tax jurisdiction will get a bigger tip from you for doing the same exact thing as a waiter in low (or zero) sales tax jurisdiction would.
For a $100 meal, 20% tip on the tax in a 3% tax jurisdiction would be $0.60 whereas 20% tip on the tax in a 9% jurisdiction would be $1.80. So, the waiter living in a low-tax jurisdiction doesn’t suffer greatly.

Andy.
You bungled your quotes when you made your modifications and have me quoted as saying something that I didn't....

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by GCD » Thu May 17, 2018 3:12 pm

ponyboy wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:09 pm
GCD wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 8:23 pm
theplayer11 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 7:34 pm
real men drink beer
and don't eat quiche.
What kind of real man doesnt eat eggs and cheese?
Here's my cite. The guidebook to the "truly masculine": https://www.amazon.com/Real-Men-Dont-Ea ... 0671448315

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by Darth Xanadu » Thu May 17, 2018 3:15 pm

GCD wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:12 pm
ponyboy wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:09 pm
GCD wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 8:23 pm
theplayer11 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 7:34 pm
real men drink beer
and don't eat quiche.
What kind of real man doesnt eat eggs and cheese?
Here's my cite. The guidebook to the "truly masculine": https://www.amazon.com/Real-Men-Dont-Ea ... 0671448315
Written by a guy named Bruce. Truly masculine.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by GCD » Thu May 17, 2018 3:16 pm

HornedToad wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 2:42 pm
sfnerd wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:10 pm
20% for good service.

If you can't tip 20% on the wine, you can't afford the restaurant.

Less if the service is poor, and more if the service is amazing.
IMO, this attitude is silly but it's one of the reasons I bring my own wine. Then I'm tipping on a $20-40 corkage instead of on a $200-300 bottle of wine. Especially if it's a special occasion and we have 2 bottles of wine.
I share the "silly" attitude, but you have noted a reasonable solution for those who don't. Personally I think the way the US tipping structure has evolved is silly, but we are stuck with it for now.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by Random Poster » Thu May 17, 2018 3:39 pm

GCD wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:16 pm
[Personally I think the way the US tipping structure has evolved is silly . . . .
Speaking of evolution, I'm astounded that the going tip rate now appears to be 20%. Whatever happened to 15% as the "standard" percentage?

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by jabberwockOG » Thu May 17, 2018 3:42 pm

Tipping as a linear percentage of the total cost of the bill works very much in restaurant owners favor because under this system wait staff will work hard to up sell every table to maximize the size of their tip. Does it make sense that the front of the house staff get twice as much tip for a $40 entree as a $20 dollar entry which takes the identical amount of effort and time to serve? No.

In terms of wine, especially with another couple, as an example we often order 2 bottles of wine for maybe $100-150 total in wine. In that case I will tip 5-10% on the wine, and tip 15-20% on the food depending on service. For various reason's we usually request to pour/serve the wine ourselves. So our wine service mostly involves a waiter bringing and placing the bottle on the table after removing the cork or cap. I really don't like the silly overly formal (and usually poorly executed) 1950s style "wine dance" most wait staff attempt with your average diner. Frankly unless a person is in a very high end restaurant ordering $200+ bottles of wine that need to be decanted, engaging in the formal "wine dance" is at best somewhat ridiculous.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by PhilosophyAndrew » Thu May 17, 2018 3:52 pm

DaftInvestor wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:09 pm
PhilosophyAndrew wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 2:26 pm
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DaftInvestor wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:08 pm
LarryAllen wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:35 pm
I also tip on the total not the sub-total as I know some cheapskates do.
It's interesting that a waiter in a high sales tax jurisdiction will get a bigger tip from you for doing the same exact thing as a waiter in low (or zero) sales tax jurisdiction would.
For a $100 meal, 20% tip on the tax in a 3% tax jurisdiction would be $0.60 whereas 20% tip on the tax in a 9% jurisdiction would be $1.80. So, the waiter living in a low-tax jurisdiction doesn’t suffer greatly.

Andy.
You bungled your quotes when you made your modifications and have me quoted as saying something that I didn't....
Sorry. The post I was replying to was by TheRightKost87.

Andy.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by Darth Xanadu » Thu May 17, 2018 3:54 pm

jabberwockOG wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:42 pm
Tipping as a linear percentage of the total cost of the bill works very much in restaurant owners favor because under this system wait staff will work hard to up sell every table to maximize the size of their tip. Does it make sense that the front of the house staff get twice as much tip for a $40 entree as a $20 dollar entry which takes the identical amount of effort and time to serve?
It makes perfect sense if you view it as a sales job, which you've already alluded to. No different than a car salesman or real estate broker.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by mega317 » Thu May 17, 2018 4:36 pm

I love these threads. Reading back on the OP, s/he tipped $15 on $127. 15% would have been $19, so on this table the waiter basically got a 20% pay cut over the expected average. You can come up with all the complicated tipping schemes you want but do you feel good about giving someone a 20% pay cut? Can you not afford 4 more dollars every time you go out to eat?

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Post by VaR » Thu May 17, 2018 5:11 pm

TravelGeek wrote:
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Perhaps this helps: https://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com ... g-on-wine/
This article was extremely helpful in evolving my thoughts on this matter. I'm going to go with the guideline of:
1. Baseline tip amount of 18-20%.
2. If my bar tab is >60% of the total, I'll drop the tip to the 15-18% range. But this is academic because I'd probably never do this.
3. As always, for exceptional service I'll raise the tip by and extra 5-10% to 20-30%.

Also of note is the comment by Frank G. on how pouring out a $400 bottle of wine is different from pouring out a $40 bottle. And IMHO, if the place has a sommelier you've got to tip more even though you didn't use him or her.

Finally, I'm not qualified to express an opinion about ordering a $1000 bottle of wine, but every situation where I imagine me doing so has me tipping 20% of that amount since I had probably just won the lottery or something.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by Bammerman » Thu May 17, 2018 5:39 pm

theplayer11 wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 7:34 pm
real men drink beer
I drink wine with dinner at home but always order beer with dinner when I dine out. I think that wine prices in restaurants are just too much of a rip-off, and I won't pay it. Also I live in a town bursting with terrific craft brewers so there's never a lack of superb craft beers to choose from.

I still have -- and sometimes wear -- a tee-shirt my mother gave me more than 40 years ago with the legend, "Life is too short to drink cheap wine." But I am a thrifty, or cheap, guy at heart, and I think it's obscene to spend too much money on food and beverages when I dine out.

Edit: I forgot to answer the OP's question: I tip on the total amount BEFORE tax is added. Usually 20%.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by LarryAllen » Thu May 17, 2018 9:33 pm

TheRightKost87 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:46 pm
LarryAllen wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:35 pm
I also tip on the total not the sub-total as I know some cheapskates do.
It's interesting that a waiter in a high sales tax jurisdiction will get a bigger tip from you for doing the same exact thing as a waiter in low (or zero) sales tax jurisdiction would.

Only interesting if you overthink things.

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Post by golfCaddy » Thu May 17, 2018 10:21 pm

You're a cheapskate. If you can't afford to tip at least 15% of the total pre-tax bill, you should eat at a cheaper restaurant or order water. Tipping isn't expected in Europe, but you don't live in Europe.

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Post by LarryAllen » Thu May 17, 2018 10:22 pm

golfCaddy wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 10:21 pm
You're a cheapskate. If you can't afford to tip at least 15% of the total pre-tax bill, you should eat at a cheaper restaurant or order water. Tipping isn't expected in Europe, but you don't live in Europe.
Well said.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by student » Thu May 17, 2018 10:28 pm

LarryAllen wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:35 pm
I also tip on the total not the sub-total as I know some cheapskates do.
It is very nice of you that you tip on the total but there is no need to call others who tip on the sub-total cheapskates. I think it is an acceptable practice to tip based on pre-tax total as per Emily Post Institute. http://emilypost.com/advice/general-tipping-guide/

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Post by EddyB » Thu May 17, 2018 10:51 pm

student wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 10:28 pm
LarryAllen wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:35 pm
I also tip on the total not the sub-total as I know some cheapskates do.
It is very nice of you that you tip on the total but there is no need to call others who tip on the sub-total cheapskates. I think it is an acceptable practice to tip based on pre-tax total as per Emily Post Institute. http://emilypost.com/advice/general-tipping-guide/
The evolution of tipping in the US as I understand it to have occurred over the past few or several decades—an escalating percentage, an expansion to casual dining and counter service, calculating the tip on the post-tax bill—is interesting to me. I don’t think I’m overthinking it.

Have Americans become more generous in other ways? Is this an exceptionally successful lobbying program? What are the roots of its success? Tipping culture is interesting. It’s fundamentally such an outlier to begin with. Why can’t restaurant operators just factor labor costs in to their prices?

My theory is that it’s the original and most successful form of virtue signaling, with additional encouragement by the recipients of largesse.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by Bfwolf » Thu May 17, 2018 11:38 pm

I think people calling other people cheapskates for questioning the pretty obviously ridiculous tipping conventions in the US is uncalled for.

Having said that, I abide by the pretty obviously ridiculous tipping conventions.

I don't drink much, which means on average servers get lower tips from me than from other diners, despite the fact that the amount of work they do is really not that much different. That's not fair, but for some reason it doesn't make me a cheapskate, since I am abiding by the standard US tipping conventions.

I would be very pleased if we moved to a non tip based system as seen in other countries. It would be more fair to servers and diners, and would eliminate the conflict-of-interest upsell.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by golfCaddy » Fri May 18, 2018 12:28 am

Bfwolf wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:38 pm
I think people calling other people cheapskates for questioning the pretty obviously ridiculous tipping conventions in the US is uncalled for.

Having said that, I abide by the pretty obviously ridiculous tipping conventions.

I don't drink much, which means on average servers get lower tips from me than from other diners, despite the fact that the amount of work they do is really not that much different. That's not fair, but for some reason it doesn't make me a cheapskate, since I am abiding by the standard US tipping conventions.

I would be very pleased if we moved to a non tip based system as seen in other countries. It would be more fair to servers and diners, and would eliminate the conflict-of-interest upsell.
If you want to abolish tipping at restaurants in the US, I wish you the best of luck. Until, then, you should treat 15% as a mandatory part of the bill, unless the service was terrible. For awhile, a lot of restaurants even had automatic gratuities for large parties. In general, people who order a bottle of wine tend to linger longer, than people who only drink water, and so occupy a table for longer. To the extent your point about non-drinkers stands, maybe people who only drink water should be tipping more than 15%?

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Post by UpperNwGuy » Fri May 18, 2018 12:50 am

Do you explain these calculations to the waiter, or you expect the waiter to read your mind as to why the tip was less than expected?
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by BenBritt » Fri May 18, 2018 2:44 am

25% on entire check if service is good.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by spectec » Fri May 18, 2018 5:45 am

My tip is always 20% of the bill - sometimes more if the service calls for it. If I can't afford a decent tip, I can't afford the meal. And if I can't afford the meal, I'm not going to stiff the server to make up the difference.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by Artful Dodger » Fri May 18, 2018 8:26 am

student wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 10:28 pm
LarryAllen wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:35 pm
I also tip on the total not the sub-total as I know some cheapskates do.
It is very nice of you that you tip on the total but there is no need to call others who tip on the sub-total cheapskates. I think it is an acceptable practice to tip based on pre-tax total as per Emily Post Institute. http://emilypost.com/advice/general-tipping-guide/
I agree. Bad form. I would also note I've received bills from restaurants with a range of "recommended" tips, based on 18, 20, and 22% of bill, and they used the bill amount before tax.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by knowledge » Fri May 18, 2018 9:56 am

I'd be thrilled if we got rid of the insane tipping system in the US. But until we do I don't hesitate to abide by the current system.

I've never put thought about itemizing the pieces of the bill for tipping. I tip ~20% on the total bill. You could come up with hypotheticals that may be interesting (what do people tip on a $1,000 bottle of wine?) but for practical purposes the rule works out to: if you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the restaurant.

And I don't think it's a generalization to say that the majority of the folks here can afford to tip generously.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by boglegirl » Fri May 18, 2018 10:20 am

golfCaddy wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 12:28 am
If you want to abolish tipping at restaurants in the US, I wish you the best of luck. Until, then, you should treat 15% as a mandatory part of the bill, unless the service was terrible. ...
I agree with this, and think the OP should have tipped 15%. But most on this thread say they tip 20-25% which seems crazy. I live in a state which doesn't have a sub-minimum wage for tipped staff. Waiters make so much money here that I personally know someone who put herself through college by waiting tables to earn a professional degree, and then didn't want to leave the restaurant job because it paid more than the career she'd trained for!

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by e5116 » Fri May 18, 2018 10:41 am

TxAg wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:39 pm
mayday23 wrote:
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TxAg wrote:
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I would've tipped a bit more in that situation, but the OP isn't out of line. It is often the case that people tip less on alcohol...likely because it is so marked up to begin with and requires comparatively little effort.
I just don't understand this. The waiter isn't cooking your steak and that's pretty marked up. Ordering a bottle of wine is the same effort as ordering a few beers. Pop the cap off vs refilling a wine glass a few times
Aren't some tips split with the house?..I guess it depends on the restaurant. So part of that steak "tip" goes to the kitchen. Nobody is in the back cooking wine, though.
Also depends on the state. In some states, it's illegal to pool tips with the back of the house. Listened to a recent Freaknonics podcast about tipping ("The No-Tipping Point") that was interesting, talking to restauranteur Danny Meyer who changed his model at one of his fancy restaurants to get rid of tipping (by increasing menu prices) and paying his staff more. But waiters were a bit peeved that they couldn't share if there was a busy/successful night, so he offered them some stake in the business or something.

It did mention that it was a bit awkward when a super busy night occurred that waiters would want to high five each other for raking it in, but couldn't do so because the cooking staff that was working insanely hard wasn't getting any extra benefit from the busy night. And also talked about the fact that a lot of chefs become waiters in these types of restaurants because they can get paid a lot more. In fact, I know somebody who got promoted to be a dining room manager at a very very nice fine dining restaurant (multiple Michelin stars) and took a fairly significant pay cut, so he went back to being a waiter.

I am also of the opinion that tipping in the U.S. in non-sensical but I adhere to ~20% of total bill before tax and don't separate out food vs. alcohol.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by N10sive » Fri May 18, 2018 11:15 am

Bfwolf wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:38 pm
I would be very pleased if we moved to a non tip based system as seen in other countries. It would be more fair to servers and diners, and would eliminate the conflict-of-interest upsell.
It will be interesting to see how this changes in the next couple years. With the higher minimum wage and other local taxes(I believe) in Seattle many restaurants have committed to a standard 20% "fee" to the meal recently that is "shared between staff". This is in place of the tip, although your allowed to tip more. So whether or not you get good service/food your out of pocket 20%.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by spectec » Fri May 18, 2018 11:48 am

This discussion takes me back to when I served in the US Air Force in the mid-1960's. As a young enlisted first-term airman, my pay was miserably low. So my friends and I would often go to the base exchange (when off duty) to pack and carry out groceries & other purchases. After we finished the packing, some people would roll or carry out their own purchases, while others would have us do that for them.

The sign on the wall clearly stated that we were not paid - tips were our only compensation for this work. Some were generous tippers, while others would hand over a little loose change or in some cases just thank me. Rather than feel offended when someone took advantage, I just always assumed they were living beyond their means (regardless of rank, type of car they drove, etc) I imagine lots of restaurant employees have that same attitude about their customers who don't know/don't care about a reasonable tip for the person serving them.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by theplayer11 » Fri May 18, 2018 11:57 am

Random Poster wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:39 pm
GCD wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:16 pm
[Personally I think the way the US tipping structure has evolved is silly . . . .
Speaking of evolution, I'm astounded that the going tip rate now appears to be 20%. Whatever happened to 15% as the "standard" percentage?
was thinking the same thing.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by student » Fri May 18, 2018 12:02 pm

theplayer11 wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:57 am
Random Poster wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:39 pm
GCD wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:16 pm
[Personally I think the way the US tipping structure has evolved is silly . . . .
Speaking of evolution, I'm astounded that the going tip rate now appears to be 20%. Whatever happened to 15% as the "standard" percentage?
was thinking the same thing.
You may find this article interesting.

http://www.businessinsider.com/history- ... ng-2015-10

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by TheRightKost87 » Fri May 18, 2018 1:09 pm

GCD wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 2:34 pm
The "amount of work" justification for going cheap on the wine is equally applicable to going cheap on the food. If you went to a 5 star restaurant that you needed reservations months in advance just to get a table, would you tip the same amount as if you ate at Chilis because it's the same amount of effort to bring you a plate of food?
Presumably, the 5 star restaurant requiring advanced reservations would provide better and more extensive service than an average Chilis, and thus would warrant a higher tip. Now, even if the services were the same quality and quantity at the 5-star as at Chilis, I would still almost certainly tip more dollars there (although probably the same percentage) because that is what has been deemed "normal". But I fully recognize how illogical it is for me to do that.
GCD wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 2:34 pm
Or better yet, do the waiters a favor and quit eating at restaurants you can't afford.
I do hope you realize that there's a difference between being able to afford, and wanting to pay.
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by mega317 » Fri May 18, 2018 2:31 pm

Thank you for your service. You sound like a wonderful person, but
spectec wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:48 am
I imagine lots of restaurant employees have that same attitude about their customers who don't know/don't care about a reasonable tip for the person serving them.
having worked in several restaurants and having relatives working at others, I can assure you this is not the case for "lots of restaurant employees". When people get stiffed they are upset.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by Darth Xanadu » Fri May 18, 2018 2:34 pm

This thread should be renamed to "Most creative rationalizations for stiffing restaurant workers"
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by TheRightKost87 » Fri May 18, 2018 3:29 pm

Darth Xanadu wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 2:34 pm
This thread should be renamed to "Most creative rationalizations for stiffing restaurant workers"
That'd be a good one.

Either that, or "Most creative rationalizations for overpaying restaurant workers"
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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by PhilosophyAndrew » Fri May 18, 2018 4:30 pm

TheRightKost87 wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:09 pm
GCD wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 2:34 pm
Or better yet, do the waiters a favor and quit eating at restaurants you can't afford.
I do hope you realize that there's a difference between being able to afford, and wanting to pay.
Perhaps the point could be expressed as: “Do the waiters a favor and quit eating at restaurants where you chose not to tip generously.” Being able to afford to tip well but choosing not to do so seems mean-spirited.

Andy.

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by masonstone » Fri May 18, 2018 4:41 pm

Why does an expensive bottle of wine deserve more tip than a cheap bottle of wine?

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Re: how do you tip on wine at a restaurant

Post by PhilosophyAndrew » Fri May 18, 2018 4:48 pm

masonstone wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:41 pm
Why does an expensive bottle of wine deserve more tip than a cheap bottle of wine?
For the same reason that an expensive restaurant food order deserves more tip than a cheap food order.

Andy.

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