Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60 (update)

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by SeaToTheBay » Thu May 17, 2018 11:50 am

I'd wait for the new 2019 Acura RDX. Should be an excellent all-around SUV at a better value than its peers. Will be at dealers next month.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by srt7 » Thu May 17, 2018 12:21 pm

I drive the 2016 RX 350 and highly recommend it. I test drove the Q5 (older model) back then and liked it too but knew there had to be a newer model in the pipeline so crossed that off my list. Since your budget is $40K I assume you're going with CPO's ... a wise choice (unlike mine :oops: ). You could get a well-equipped (safety gizmos, full screen display etc.) 2016 if you shop around.
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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by yougotitdude » Thu May 17, 2018 12:47 pm

What do you guys think about Volvo's lifetime parts and labor warranty?

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by H-Town » Thu May 17, 2018 12:52 pm

I'd go with the newest model of Volvo XC 60. It's a big step-up compared to the RX 350.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by ugaDAWGS09 » Thu May 17, 2018 1:00 pm

yougotitdude wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:47 pm
What do you guys think about Volvo's lifetime parts and labor warranty?
I didn't know they offered a warrant like this, seems too good to be true.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by ugaDAWGS09 » Thu May 17, 2018 1:01 pm

SeaToTheBay wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:50 am
I'd wait for the new 2019 Acura RDX. Should be an excellent all-around SUV at a better value than its peers. Will be at dealers next month.
This vehicle does look really nice. I wonder what the price will be for a decked out model? I would assume high 40s, low 50's.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by ugaDAWGS09 » Thu May 17, 2018 1:03 pm

srt7 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:21 pm
I drive the 2016 RX 350 and highly recommend it. I test drove the Q5 (older model) back then and liked it too but knew there had to be a newer model in the pipeline so crossed that off my list. Since your budget is $40K I assume you're going with CPO's ... a wise choice (unlike mine :oops: ). You could get a well-equipped (safety gizmos, full screen display etc.) 2016 if you shop around.
Yeah if we go with the Lexus we are looking at either a 2016 or 2017 model. I've saw several CPO's for around 40k with around 15 to 20k miles. Did you test drive the F-type model, just wondering how much better of a ride it gives vs the base rx 350?

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by ugaDAWGS09 » Thu May 17, 2018 1:06 pm

ssquared87 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:00 am
ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 7:32 am
3.141592653589793238 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 7:18 am
ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 6:56 am
Can someone explain the maintenance plans that Audi offers? It seems you pay up front for maintenance, does this cover everything not covered under warranty such as basic oil changes, transmission fluid, tire rotation, etc.
Here's what I found about Audi warranties. The New Vehicle Limited Warranty comes with every new vehicle, the AudiCare and Term Care Select things are optional purchases.

New Vehicle Limited Warranty
Our limited warranty is simple. Four years. 50,000 miles. Whichever occurs first, you're covered at no additional charge.

As an Audi owner, you will receive:

The first scheduled maintenance service at 10,000 miles or 12 months, whichever occurs first, at no additional charge
Four years or 50,000 miles, whichever occurs first
12-year limited warranty against corrosion perforation
Audi 24-hour roadside assistance for four years
Audi Certified pre-owned Limited Warranty
If there is remaining coverage from the Audi New Car Limited Warranty at the time of your Certified pre-owned purchase, the Audi New Car Limited Warranty provides coverage on the Certified pre-owned vehicle until its expiration, either four years from the original in-service date or at 50,000 miles, whichever occurs first. When the Audi New Car Limited Warranty coverage ends, the Audi Certified pre-owned Limited Warranty becomes effective and provides coverage for a period of two years or up to 50,000 miles, whichever occurs first, not to exceed 100,000 total vehicle miles.
Prepaid scheduled maintenance
2010-2016 AudiCare: http://audilibrary.audiusa.com/services ... index.html
2017-2018 AudiCare: http://audilibrary.audiusa.com/services ... p=AudiCare

Coverage for virtually any mechanical failure
Term Care Select: https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/aud ... e-2016.pdf

2018 Maintenance Schedule
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/aud ... r-2018.pdf
Thanks for the information. They really seem to have a lot of required maintenance and I'm sure these inspections are costly unless you purchase the packages. I'm going to show this to my wife and see what she thinks about the maintenance schedule. It seems pretty straightforward until you get past 50k miles then you have to purchase the packages individually. This tells me past 50k miles expect to have issues that require a lot of service and cost.
Or you could just get the new BMW X3 which most reviewers seem to prefer over the Audi and it includes maintenance for 3 years. After the 3 years, your maintenance basically consists of oil changes every 10k miles ($100 give or take at a BMW dealer, or $50-$60 if you do it your self and it is extremely easy, brakes whenever they wear out will cost roughly $200 for each axle at the BMW dealer or you can DIY for about $100 each axle, and tires)
I honestly had no idea BMW maintenance was this straight forward. We might have to consider a BMW. Do you drive this model?

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by El Greco » Thu May 17, 2018 1:09 pm

dsmclone wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 7:21 am
I'd recommend test driving a Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring or Signature. Both can be bought for less than $40k, they are loaded, better looking than these 3, sportier, great interior, proven reliability, etc.
Ditto on the Mazda CX-9. You get incredible bang for the buck with Mazdas and the CX-9 is really Lux and loaded.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by srt7 » Thu May 17, 2018 2:31 pm

ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:03 pm
srt7 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:21 pm
I drive the 2016 RX 350 and highly recommend it. I test drove the Q5 (older model) back then and liked it too but knew there had to be a newer model in the pipeline so crossed that off my list. Since your budget is $40K I assume you're going with CPO's ... a wise choice (unlike mine :oops: ). You could get a well-equipped (safety gizmos, full screen display etc.) 2016 if you shop around.
Yeah if we go with the Lexus we are looking at either a 2016 or 2017 model. I've saw several CPO's for around 40k with around 15 to 20k miles. Did you test drive the F-type model, just wondering how much better of a ride it gives vs the base rx 350?
Nope, I test drove just the base RX 350.
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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by FireSekr » Thu May 17, 2018 2:40 pm

ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:06 pm
ssquared87 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:00 am
ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 7:32 am
3.141592653589793238 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 7:18 am
ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 6:56 am
Can someone explain the maintenance plans that Audi offers? It seems you pay up front for maintenance, does this cover everything not covered under warranty such as basic oil changes, transmission fluid, tire rotation, etc.
Here's what I found about Audi warranties. The New Vehicle Limited Warranty comes with every new vehicle, the AudiCare and Term Care Select things are optional purchases.

New Vehicle Limited Warranty
Our limited warranty is simple. Four years. 50,000 miles. Whichever occurs first, you're covered at no additional charge.

As an Audi owner, you will receive:

The first scheduled maintenance service at 10,000 miles or 12 months, whichever occurs first, at no additional charge
Four years or 50,000 miles, whichever occurs first
12-year limited warranty against corrosion perforation
Audi 24-hour roadside assistance for four years
Audi Certified pre-owned Limited Warranty
If there is remaining coverage from the Audi New Car Limited Warranty at the time of your Certified pre-owned purchase, the Audi New Car Limited Warranty provides coverage on the Certified pre-owned vehicle until its expiration, either four years from the original in-service date or at 50,000 miles, whichever occurs first. When the Audi New Car Limited Warranty coverage ends, the Audi Certified pre-owned Limited Warranty becomes effective and provides coverage for a period of two years or up to 50,000 miles, whichever occurs first, not to exceed 100,000 total vehicle miles.
Prepaid scheduled maintenance
2010-2016 AudiCare: http://audilibrary.audiusa.com/services ... index.html
2017-2018 AudiCare: http://audilibrary.audiusa.com/services ... p=AudiCare

Coverage for virtually any mechanical failure
Term Care Select: https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/aud ... e-2016.pdf

2018 Maintenance Schedule
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/aud ... r-2018.pdf
Thanks for the information. They really seem to have a lot of required maintenance and I'm sure these inspections are costly unless you purchase the packages. I'm going to show this to my wife and see what she thinks about the maintenance schedule. It seems pretty straightforward until you get past 50k miles then you have to purchase the packages individually. This tells me past 50k miles expect to have issues that require a lot of service and cost.
Or you could just get the new BMW X3 which most reviewers seem to prefer over the Audi and it includes maintenance for 3 years. After the 3 years, your maintenance basically consists of oil changes every 10k miles ($100 give or take at a BMW dealer, or $50-$60 if you do it your self and it is extremely easy, brakes whenever they wear out will cost roughly $200 for each axle at the BMW dealer or you can DIY for about $100 each axle, and tires)
I honestly had no idea BMW maintenance was this straight forward. We might have to consider a BMW. Do you drive this model?
Yeah maintenance isn't as bad as people think with these cars. Repairs at BMW dealer are expensive if something breaks, but I've found them to be extremely reliable, and repairs at independent shops are not much different than a honda.

Besides the items I mentioned, you should change the brake fluid every 3 years, and also change the coolant i think every 3 years? forget on that one, but again, those items are no different than any other car. The Audi and Lexus would need those things too. BMW happens to charge less than Audi for routine maintenance. VW which owns Audi, also charges a lot more than Honda and Toyota for routine maintenance. Not really sure why, other than their cars are more challenging to work on because of where certain parts are located, but no reason the oil change should cost what Audi charges.

I do not have the X3, but I do have the 530i which has the same engine and transmission. It is also built on a very similar chassis to the X3...it's called the CLAR platform and it's currently used on the 7 series, 5 series, and X3. It's only got 10k miles on it and I've had it a little less than a year. It's been flawless even though it is a first model year car.

I also currently have a 98 M3 which requires a little more maintenance, but that is because it is more performance oriented, so the limited slip diff needs fluid changes every 30k miles..stuff like that. The fluid changes on the M3 are extremely easy though, I just do them myself.

My prior car was a 2011 328. After the maintenance period ran out, I took it to the dealer to do oil changes because it only cost about $10 more to have them do it than it would have cost for me to buy the oil and the filter and do it myself...they charged $79.95 for oil changes on that model. When my brake pads were shot, I changed them myself. Cost me $100 for the front pads and sensors, and took me 30 minutes do change the pads. BMW would have charged me $200 if i took it to the dealer to the brake pad replacement, which is less than most places charge. BMW generally has low maintenance cost because eventually they'll find more expensive items that need to be repaired and they're hoping you use them to do those repairs rather than an independent mechanic, but all 3 of my BMWs have been extremely reliable.

Besides the maintenance being cheaper than people think, the BMWs are extremely easy to work on because of their engine layout and how the car is designed. I have absolutely no training as a mechanic, and have done spark plug changes, belt changes, oil changes, diff fluid changes, brake pads with ease. Some older BMWs have a tendency to develop oil leaks, so I've changed the valve cover gasket as well, but newer BMWs don't seem to have this problem. Tons of articles and youtube videos. I think Honda and BMW have great online communities where you can go ask questions to other owners about repairs and such and people are great at responding.

This guy does some great reviews, very detailed non-biased and his video on the X3 is helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_mCPGOEmqs

Some other reviews of the X3.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... ive-review
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-revie ... view-2018/
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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by WhiteMaxima » Thu May 17, 2018 3:01 pm

lazydavid wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:24 am
WhiteMaxima wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:40 am
Q5 Quattro, all-time all wheel drive. RX is more reliable> XC has a lot safety heritage. I like more sport feeling. So Q5 2.0T or 3.0T is my choice.
The 2018+ Q5 has "Quattro Ultra" which is AWD on demand, not full-time AWD. In less dynamic driving situations, it remains FWD until additional traction is needed, to improve fuel economy. Also the 3.0T is no longer available in the Q5. On this platform, it is exclusive to the far sportier SQ5 model. The SQ5 also has the old-style permanent AWD Quattro system, with a default 40/60 front/rear split for better driving dynamics.

SQ5 would be my choice if you value an engaging drive. RX350 if you don't care at all and want a transportation appliance. Q5 is in between (but far closer to the SQ5).
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Wed May 16, 2018 2:58 pm
But the paint quality of Lexus is way better than Audi and Volvo. Toyota use much better paint than VW and Volvo. if you like your 10 year old car still shinning like new. Choose Lexus.
The paint on my 2007 RX350 is literally the worst I've seen since those GM paint jobs in the 80s that faded and peeled off in sheets. Within the first 12-18 months it started chipping and rusting, and now at the 12 year mark it looks like complete ****.
Are you sure Q5 is AWD on demand? I thought A3, Q3 are AWD on demand. A4 and beyond are torsen type AWD. Lexus do have better paint than regular Toyota.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by SeaToTheBay » Thu May 17, 2018 3:07 pm

ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:01 pm
SeaToTheBay wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:50 am
I'd wait for the new 2019 Acura RDX. Should be an excellent all-around SUV at a better value than its peers. Will be at dealers next month.
This vehicle does look really nice. I wonder what the price will be for a decked out model? I would assume high 40s, low 50's.
Top-level 2018 RDX tops out at about $44k - I wouldn't expect the 2019 to be much more. And you may not need the top-level trim - even the base model comes with a full suite of driving assistance tech and full-length glass roof.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by FireSekr » Thu May 17, 2018 3:09 pm

WhiteMaxima wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:01 pm
lazydavid wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:24 am
WhiteMaxima wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:40 am
Q5 Quattro, all-time all wheel drive. RX is more reliable> XC has a lot safety heritage. I like more sport feeling. So Q5 2.0T or 3.0T is my choice.
The 2018+ Q5 has "Quattro Ultra" which is AWD on demand, not full-time AWD. In less dynamic driving situations, it remains FWD until additional traction is needed, to improve fuel economy. Also the 3.0T is no longer available in the Q5. On this platform, it is exclusive to the far sportier SQ5 model. The SQ5 also has the old-style permanent AWD Quattro system, with a default 40/60 front/rear split for better driving dynamics.

SQ5 would be my choice if you value an engaging drive. RX350 if you don't care at all and want a transportation appliance. Q5 is in between (but far closer to the SQ5).
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Wed May 16, 2018 2:58 pm
But the paint quality of Lexus is way better than Audi and Volvo. Toyota use much better paint than VW and Volvo. if you like your 10 year old car still shinning like new. Choose Lexus.
The paint on my 2007 RX350 is literally the worst I've seen since those GM paint jobs in the 80s that faded and peeled off in sheets. Within the first 12-18 months it started chipping and rusting, and now at the 12 year mark it looks like complete ****.
Are you sure Q5 is AWD on demand? I thought A3, Q3 are AWD on demand. A4 and beyond are torsen type AWD. Lexus do have better paint than regular Toyota.
Yes, he is correct. The new Q5 is Quattro Ultra, which really isn't that good. BMW's Xdrive system is better -Full time 40/60 split and then it could adjust up to 100% to either axle, but tries to maintain a RWD bias when possible for better handling vs. the Q5 which will feel like a FWD car most of the time:
https://www.audi-technology-portal.de/e ... technology

Reviews have already noted greater amount of understeer with the new Q5

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by WhiteMaxima » Thu May 17, 2018 3:31 pm

Cost cutting to cover the dieselgate scandal cost?

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by lazydavid » Thu May 17, 2018 4:05 pm

WhiteMaxima wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:01 pm
Are you sure Q5 is AWD on demand? I thought A3, Q3 are AWD on demand. A4 and beyond are torsen type AWD. Lexus do have better paint than regular Toyota.
Yes. Straight from the source: Audi Q5 – quattro with ultra-technology
Audi wrote:With the exception of the 3.0 TDI, all Q5 versions have the completely newly developed quattro with ultra technology. It offers maximum efficiency and does not perceptibly differ from permanent systems in terms of traction and driving dynamics. Control of the new quattro drivetrain operates predictively. Networked throughout the vehicle, it acquires and evaluates data – in ten millisecond cycles – such as the steering angle, transverse and longitudinal acceleration and engine torque.

As long as the new Audi Q5 is driving with a moderate type of gear and there is no risk of tire slip, the quattro with ultra technology benefits from all of the advantages of a front-wheel drive. If all-wheel drive is needed, it is immediately available. It is engaged in two stages – predictive and reactive.

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Post by WhiteMaxima » Thu May 17, 2018 4:31 pm

AWD vehicle performs better than FWD even on dry pavement. the only drawback is the mpg loss and tire wear. A 60/40 torque distribution Audi torsen quattro is just like combine a Sport and passenger Sedan together. Also down hill engine braking and uphill climbing performance is much better with a Quattro.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by audioaxes » Thu May 17, 2018 5:15 pm

El Greco wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:09 pm
dsmclone wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 7:21 am
I'd recommend test driving a Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring or Signature. Both can be bought for less than $40k, they are loaded, better looking than these 3, sportier, great interior, proven reliability, etc.
Ditto on the Mazda CX-9. You get incredible bang for the buck with Mazdas and the CX-9 is really Lux and loaded.
this was a contender my wife and I were considering but ultimately deciding on the RX. Decision came down to not being sold on the expected reliability. Even the Mazda salesman himself was very hesitant and restrained on talking up the reliability when we asked.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by Go Blue 99 » Thu May 17, 2018 8:43 pm

ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:00 pm
yougotitdude wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:47 pm
What do you guys think about Volvo's lifetime parts and labor warranty?
I didn't know they offered a warrant like this, seems too good to be true.
This is how they describe it. It's just a way to increase work done by the Volvo service shop:

As of June 1, 2015, Volvo launched the Lifetime Parts & Labor Warranty. This warranty is available to any retail customer that purchases an eligible part and has it installed at an authorized Volvo dealer. Pay for a repair once and never pay for it again!

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Post by inbox788 » Thu May 17, 2018 9:32 pm

Go Blue 99 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 8:43 pm
ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:00 pm
yougotitdude wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:47 pm
What do you guys think about Volvo's lifetime parts and labor warranty?
I didn't know they offered a warrant like this, seems too good to be true.
This is how they describe it. It's just a way to increase work done by the Volvo service shop:

As of June 1, 2015, Volvo launched the Lifetime Parts & Labor Warranty. This warranty is available to any retail customer that purchases an eligible part and has it installed at an authorized Volvo dealer. Pay for a repair once and never pay for it again!
They charge you 3 times what it costs elsewhere, so you'd have to repair the same part 4 or more times to break even. And their costs are much lower, so they'd be able to repair it 5-10 times before it started losing money. Now what part has failed more than 3 or 5 times?

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by fishnskiguy » Thu May 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Some masochist from Toyota beat the living s**t out of all Lexi with an ugly stick. Gawd they look awful. So sad. Five years ago they were gorgeous.

I love Audi's but their market guys are dumber than ten boxes of rocks. In order to get all the advanced safety features you have to upgrade to the top of the line Prestige model. At age 74 and deaf as a post in one ear, having to buy a $3000 sound system to get adaptive cruise control is nuts. Audi has lost me forever. For crying out loud, Honda offers all The latest safety tech on ALL models of the CR-V and Accord.

I will be buying a new crossover SUV in late 2019. The Volvo XC-60 T5 and the new Acura RDX are on the top of my list.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by ugaDAWGS09 » Thu May 17, 2018 10:35 pm

fishnskiguy wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 10:28 pm
Some masochist from Toyota beat the living s**t out of all Lexi with an ugly stick. Gawd they look awful. So sad. Five years ago they were gorgeous.

I love Audi's but their market guys are dumber than ten boxes of rocks. In order to get all the advanced safety features you have to upgrade to the top of the line Prestige model. At age 74 and deaf as a post in one ear, having to buy a $3000 sound system to get adaptive cruise control is nuts. Audi has lost me forever. For crying out loud, Honda offers all The latest safety tech on ALL models of the CR-V and Accord.

I will be buying a new crossover SUV in late 2019. The Volvo XC-60 T5 and the new Acura RDX are on the top of my list.

Chris
I really like the look of the new Lexus SUV. I guess it isn't for everyone. The Volvo is super nice I'm just worried about reliability and the cost of maintenance.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by Ztx » Thu May 17, 2018 10:48 pm

ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 10:35 pm

I really like the look of the new Lexus SUV. I guess it isn't for everyone. The Volvo is super nice I'm just worried about reliability and the cost of maintenance.
Yeah, from what I'm reading on forums it's either love or hate. I've got 2017 RX and love the way it looks. Previous generation was way too boring for my taste.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by LFKB » Thu May 17, 2018 11:05 pm

We recently got the XC60 for my wife and love it. The safety, tech and look are superior to the others you named IMO

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by Scrapr » Thu May 17, 2018 11:52 pm

LFKB wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:05 pm
We recently got the XC60 for my wife and love it. The safety, tech and look are superior to the others you named IMO
We test drove one yesterday. We liked it a lot. But...no Overseas Delivery. I think we are going to wait to see if by chance they bring it back. <crossing fingers> We did OSD last year for my Volvo wagon. It was fantastic.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by ResearchMed » Fri May 18, 2018 3:30 am

Scrapr wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:52 pm
LFKB wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:05 pm
We recently got the XC60 for my wife and love it. The safety, tech and look are superior to the others you named IMO
We test drove one yesterday. We liked it a lot. But...no Overseas Delivery. I think we are going to wait to see if by chance they bring it back. <crossing fingers> We did OSD last year for my Volvo wagon. It was fantastic.
No overseas delivery at all for Volvo??

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by wrongfunds » Fri May 18, 2018 7:53 am

Why? Were you planning a trip to China? (that might be a joke!)

RE: BMW maintenance

Have you included replacing the entire cooling system at 6 year mark on your BMW? Every single cooling system related component wears out at that time frame. How BMW has managed to control the lifetime of those components so well (i.e. broken after the warranty but NEVER before the warranty) has been a real mystery.

I am not even including the rubber components of the rest of the drive train. Those are next on the list.

it is shocking when one compares a Toyota vs say BMW as to what starts breaking at 7 year mark. Window regulators? I mean when you think about them, how often those are even used on a typical high end cars? They run in automatic climate control mode. Driving them with window open ends up with such a bad wind buffeting that very rarely the windows would be opened. So in 7 years, the window might have been used less than 50 times.

Why on earth it requires replacement on a BMW?

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by Scrapr » Fri May 18, 2018 11:40 am

ResearchMed wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:30 am
Scrapr wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:52 pm
LFKB wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:05 pm
We recently got the XC60 for my wife and love it. The safety, tech and look are superior to the others you named IMO
We test drove one yesterday. We liked it a lot. But...no Overseas Delivery. I think we are going to wait to see if by chance they bring it back. <crossing fingers> We did OSD last year for my Volvo wagon. It was fantastic.
No overseas delivery at all for Volvo??

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Sorry. I wasn't clear. The XC60 is now being made in China for US delivery. That started this year. I "think" that Volvo is still making XC60 in Torslanda, Sweden for Euro customers. Which gives me a very small hope that Volvo will have a very small allocation for US Overseas Delivery. Probably a 200-1 longshot. Insert Jim Carey....So you're saying there's a chance!

The OSD models are really slimmed down now. 4 models only

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Post by WhiteMaxima » Fri May 18, 2018 11:48 am

Don't rule out Toyota 4Runner, Subaru Outback and Forest if you don't mind a bit harsh ride and noise. But the utility and off-road capability is super. Among all these, Q5 combined all the luxury, utility and performance and styling.

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Post by ResearchMed » Fri May 18, 2018 12:14 pm

Scrapr wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:40 am
ResearchMed wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:30 am
Scrapr wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:52 pm
LFKB wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:05 pm
We recently got the XC60 for my wife and love it. The safety, tech and look are superior to the others you named IMO
We test drove one yesterday. We liked it a lot. But...no Overseas Delivery. I think we are going to wait to see if by chance they bring it back. <crossing fingers> We did OSD last year for my Volvo wagon. It was fantastic.
No overseas delivery at all for Volvo??

RM
Sorry. I wasn't clear. The XC60 is now being made in China for US delivery. That started this year. I "think" that Volvo is still making XC60 in Torslanda, Sweden for Euro customers. Which gives me a very small hope that Volvo will have a very small allocation for US Overseas Delivery. Probably a 200-1 longshot. Insert Jim Carey....So you're saying there's a chance!

The OSD models are really slimmed down now. 4 models only
Too bad.
Last time we explored this (we actually did OSD many decades ago) recently, it was still possible to order a car with features/combinations not available in the USA.

Any idea if OSD is available in, yes, China?
A trip there is indeed on our list, after a totally fascinating trip to Japan last year :happy
It didn't even "click" about where some Volvos were being manufactured these days.

Do cars manufactured for the Euro market have all necessary features that are required for USA cars?

Thanks.

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Post by ugaDAWGS09 » Fri May 18, 2018 12:18 pm

WhiteMaxima wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:48 am
Don't rule out Toyota 4Runner, Subaru Outback and Forest if you don't mind a bit harsh ride and noise. But the utility and off-road capability is super. Among all these, Q5 combined all the luxury, utility and performance and styling.
My wife may consider a 4runnner but I don't think the Subaru will be what's she's looking for. The only non-luxury suv she is planning on test driving is the Nissan murano platinum. They look really nice and have a lot of options. They give a sporty look and feel.

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Post by dcdowden » Fri May 18, 2018 12:34 pm

I had a 2010 Lexus RX 450h for seven years and generally liked it very much. But when I went to replace it last year, I wound up with a Cadillac XT5 which my wife and I like even better. It actually gets better gas mileage on the highway then the Lexus Hybrid and takes regular gas rather than the premium required by the Hybrid - around here, it is close to an extra dollar a gallon for premium fuel. The new RX non-hybrid also now takes regular fuel as well. The infotainment system on the XT5 is far more convenient to use than the Lexus - lots of little things that just work better. The XT5 is a pleasure to drive on the highway, and of course all the new driver awareness safety features are great. They shrunk the amount of space in the back of the Lexus for cargo, which was initially a primary reason for us going with the XT5 since we spend winters in Florida and Arizona and drive down and need the space. But after putting about 10K miles on the Cadillac, I am very happy with the purchase. Cadillac also gave me 0% financing for 5 years, and they pay for routine oil change and tire rotation for 4 years which I used to describe to my wife as a very expensive car wash when I took in my Lexus for service. I guess there is a reason why the Lexus dealers around here are so much fancier than other dealerships.

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Post by munemaker » Fri May 18, 2018 2:20 pm

WhiteMaxima wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:48 am
Don't rule out Toyota 4Runner, Subaru Outback and Forest if you don't mind a bit harsh ride and noise. But the utility and off-road capability is super. Among all these, Q5 combined all the luxury, utility and performance and styling.
Unless you are into off-roading, why would you consider a 4 Runner over a Highlander? Serious question...

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Post by lazydavid » Fri May 18, 2018 2:29 pm

wrongfunds wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 7:53 am
it is shocking when one compares a Toyota vs say BMW as to what starts breaking at 7 year mark. Window regulators? I mean when you think about them, how often those are even used on a typical high end cars? They run in automatic climate control mode. Driving them with window open ends up with such a bad wind buffeting that very rarely the windows would be opened. So in 7 years, the window might have been used less than 50 times.

Why on earth it requires replacement on a BMW?
Every German car--regardless of brand--made between 1999 and about 2003 has window regulator problems. This is because they all use Bosch as an OEM for that part, and Bosch had a defective product at that time. I have not seen widespread window regulator issues in the past decade, including on my current 8-year-old E90 3-series. All 4 of the window regulators in my 2000 3-series, and my friend's 2001 Jetta, and another friend's 2001 Audi S4, got replaced under warranty.

Why on earth do several million Toyota products require airbag replacement? is literally the same question.

I also don't believe the cooling system is an issue any more, though it certainly was for a while with the silly plastic impeller on the water pump. :oops: I never had a failure in my 2000 E46, but replaced the entire cooling system at about the 8 year mark as a preventative measure. I was replacing the coolant anyway, and it only cost another $200 and 30 minutes of my time to do the water pump (with metal impeller) and coolant tank.

But again, that is little different than my wife's 2007 Lexus, which some bonehead designed with a pair of rubber hoses to transfer hot oil under high pressure from one side of the engine block to the other. I also replaced that preventatively with a metal part, as it has a tendency to fail without warning and dump 4.5 quarts of oil on the road in about 5 seconds, with the engine being destroyed approximately 4 seconds later, right around the time the low oil pressure light comes on.

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Re: Lexus RX 350, Audi Q5, or Volvo XC 60

Post by Scrapr » Fri May 18, 2018 7:32 pm

ResearchMed wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 12:14 pm
Scrapr wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:40 am
ResearchMed wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:30 am
Scrapr wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:52 pm
LFKB wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:05 pm
We recently got the XC60 for my wife and love it. The safety, tech and look are superior to the others you named IMO
We test drove one yesterday. We liked it a lot. But...no Overseas Delivery. I think we are going to wait to see if by chance they bring it back. <crossing fingers> We did OSD last year for my Volvo wagon. It was fantastic.
No overseas delivery at all for Volvo??

RM
Sorry. I wasn't clear. The XC60 is now being made in China for US delivery. That started this year. I "think" that Volvo is still making XC60 in Torslanda, Sweden for Euro customers. Which gives me a very small hope that Volvo will have a very small allocation for US Overseas Delivery. Probably a 200-1 longshot. Insert Jim Carey....So you're saying there's a chance!

The OSD models are really slimmed down now. 4 models only
Too bad.
Last time we explored this (we actually did OSD many decades ago) recently, it was still possible to order a car with features/combinations not available in the USA.

Any idea if OSD is available in, yes, China?
A trip there is indeed on our list, after a totally fascinating trip to Japan last year :happy
It didn't even "click" about where some Volvos were being manufactured these days.

Do cars manufactured for the Euro market have all necessary features that are required for USA cars?

Thanks.

RM
There is not currently OSD for Volvo manufactured in China. As we were walking out of the dealership yesterday the salesman dropped that Volvo was thinking about OSD China. But i think he was talking out his *ss. I have heard zero chatter about China as an OSD. The features & packages are pretty much everything you can order stateside. Once in a while you will be able to order an item that you might have had to order in a package.

There are no modifications on cars manufactured in Torslanda Sweden or Ghent Belgium bound for the US

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Post by ncbill » Sat May 19, 2018 11:01 am

abonder wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:37 pm
It seems that reliability/durability is top priority. Obviously fuel economy plays into it with the longish commute. I think you should hone in on a 2-year-old RX. It’s a commodity - there’s always a ton of them off lease and you should be able to pick up for around 30k. Livesoft wrote a post a while back about his process of getting a very good deal on this model. Audi and BMW have moved up considerably in reliability ratings. That being said, these vehicles will always cost considerably more to maintain even if the reliability is good. For a person prioritizing reliability and driving many miles per year, I’d have to go Lexus.
Agree.

My in-laws did the above and love their burgundy RX350.

I hope to buy it from them in a few years.

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Post by ugaDAWGS09 » Sat May 19, 2018 1:50 pm

ncbill wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 11:01 am
abonder wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:37 pm
It seems that reliability/durability is top priority. Obviously fuel economy plays into it with the longish commute. I think you should hone in on a 2-year-old RX. It’s a commodity - there’s always a ton of them off lease and you should be able to pick up for around 30k. Livesoft wrote a post a while back about his process of getting a very good deal on this model. Audi and BMW have moved up considerably in reliability ratings. That being said, these vehicles will always cost considerably more to maintain even if the reliability is good. For a person prioritizing reliability and driving many miles per year, I’d have to go Lexus.
Agree.

My in-laws did the above and love their burgundy RX350.

I hope to buy it from them in a few years.
I think my wife is leaning towards the RX. She likes the sporty look with the larger rims and really wants a sunroof. We have been looking and have saw some around 38k for a 2016 model. This would be a good price and save us a lot off of a brand new model. We are actually going to Atlanta next weekend to drive several different vehicles, but I want to make sure she is happy with her purchase.

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Post by inbox788 » Mon May 21, 2018 3:08 am

ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 10:35 pm
fishnskiguy wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 10:28 pm
Some masochist from Toyota beat the living s**t out of all Lexi with an ugly stick. Gawd they look awful. So sad. Five years ago they were gorgeous.

I love Audi's but their market guys are dumber than ten boxes of rocks. In order to get all the advanced safety features you have to upgrade to the top of the line Prestige model. At age 74 and deaf as a post in one ear, having to buy a $3000 sound system to get adaptive cruise control is nuts. Audi has lost me forever. For crying out loud, Honda offers all The latest safety tech on ALL models of the CR-V and Accord.

I will be buying a new crossover SUV in late 2019. The Volvo XC-60 T5 and the new Acura RDX are on the top of my list.

Chris
I really like the look of the new Lexus SUV. I guess it isn't for everyone. The Volvo is super nice I'm just worried about reliability and the cost of maintenance.
That’s exactly how I feel. To me, the ugly stick was on the Acura front ends, but lately, they toned down the beak, and it’s more tolerable. I preferred a fully loaded Honda to avoid Acura, and I wasn’t alone.

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Post by wrongfunds » Mon May 21, 2018 9:47 am

Is Acura RDX using the CRV turbo engine which has been reported with fuel dilution problems?

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Post by friar1610 » Mon May 21, 2018 10:34 am

Scrapr wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:40 am
ResearchMed wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:30 am
Scrapr wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:52 pm
LFKB wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 11:05 pm
We recently got the XC60 for my wife and love it. The safety, tech and look are superior to the others you named IMO
We test drove one yesterday. We liked it a lot. But...no Overseas Delivery. I think we are going to wait to see if by chance they bring it back. <crossing fingers> We did OSD last year for my Volvo wagon. It was fantastic.
No overseas delivery at all for Volvo??

RM
Sorry. I wasn't clear. The XC60 is now being made in China for US delivery. That started this year. I "think" that Volvo is still making XC60 in Torslanda, Sweden for Euro customers. Which gives me a very small hope that Volvo will have a very small allocation for US Overseas Delivery. Probably a 200-1 longshot. Insert Jim Carey....So you're saying there's a chance!

The OSD models are really slimmed down now. 4 models only

And then there is the V90 wagon which also comes in a V90-XC trim (not to be confused with an XC90 SUV). The V90-XCs are available at USA dealers. If you want a V90 non-XC you have to special order it or take OSD in Sweden.
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Post by SeaToTheBay » Mon May 21, 2018 2:24 pm

wrongfunds wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 9:47 am
Is Acura RDX using the CRV turbo engine which has been reported with fuel dilution problems?
No, it is the 2.0L turbo found in the upper-level Accords and Civic Type R.

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Post by wrongfunds » Mon May 21, 2018 2:30 pm

Is this engine newer than the 1.5T and is it just matter of time when the problem with 2.0T start showing up? Or 2.0T has been used by Honda for last few years? I only know regular Honda engines and have not kept up with their current turbo offerings.

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Post by SeaToTheBay » Tue May 22, 2018 11:54 am

wrongfunds wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 2:30 pm
Is this engine newer than the 1.5T and is it just matter of time when the problem with 2.0T start showing up? Or 2.0T has been used by Honda for last few years? I only know regular Honda engines and have not kept up with their current turbo offerings.
The 2.0T is newer, yes. The 1.5T was first released with the 2016 Civic, then the 2017 CR-V, and now the 2018 Accord, and are in the majority of the trim levels sold for each. The 2.0T was first introduced in the 2017 Civic Type R (limited production), and now the upper-level 2018 Accord. So yes, there are a LOT more 1.5Ts running around than 2.0Ts at this point, and likely always will be since the 2.0T is a more premium engine with lower volume.

However, I wouldn't necessarily say that just because the 1.5T is having these problems that the 2.0T is bound to have them, too. They are from two completely different engine families and actually do not share very much other than the fact that they are four-cylinder turbos. The 1.5L is from the L-series engine family, which has been around in various non-turbo forms since 2001, mostly in the Honda Fit. The 2.0L is from the K-series engine family, which has been in production in non-turbo form since 2001 in several Honda models, including the Accord since 2003.

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Post by WhiteMaxima » Tue May 22, 2018 12:06 pm

I would wait couple of years until all the bugs fixed and long term reliability data come out. For Civic, there is still non-turbo 2.0L engine option available and it's cheaper.

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Post by wrongfunds » Tue May 22, 2018 2:43 pm

Few years ago, RDX used to come with a turbocharged engine. As far as I can remember, there were no complaints about that particular engine.

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Post by lazydavid » Tue May 22, 2018 3:57 pm

wrongfunds wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:43 pm
Few years ago, RDX used to come with a turbocharged engine. As far as I can remember, there were no complaints about that particular engine.
Fuel economy was the main one. It was a 2.3L four that drank like a 4.0L V8. Real-world gas mileage improved dramatically when they went to the 3.5L V6 in the second generation.

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Post by friar1610 » Tue May 22, 2018 8:33 pm

FWIW, my 2015 Volvo XC70 had some work done on it today and they gave me a 2018 XC60 as a loaner. I thought it was a nice driving car although I personally prefer wagons to SUVs. All new Volvos now have at least a 4 cyl w/turbo. The high end engine adds a supercharger for more pep. I don't know for sure which I had but I suspect it was turbo only. It was peppy enough; I didn't drive it on any interstates and I didn't get above 50 on local roads. The one thing I noticed was a slight hesitation when I accelerated from a stop - probably just until the turbo kicked in. It has a lot of nice amenities and was roomy and comfortable. I've had 4 Volvos spanning 30+ years and if I were looking for a new SUV I would certainly consider this one. (Although I admit that I know nothing about the other makes the OP is considering.)
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Post by ugaDAWGS09 » Tue May 22, 2018 10:12 pm

friar1610 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 8:33 pm
FWIW, my 2015 Volvo XC70 had some work done on it today and they gave me a 2018 XC60 as a loaner. I thought it was a nice driving car although I personally prefer wagons to SUVs. All new Volvos now have at least a 4 cyl w/turbo. The high end engine adds a supercharger for more pep. I don't know for sure which I had but I suspect it was turbo only. It was peppy enough; I didn't drive it on any interstates and I didn't get above 50 on local roads. The one thing I noticed was a slight hesitation when I accelerated from a stop - probably just until the turbo kicked in. It has a lot of nice amenities and was roomy and comfortable. I've had 4 Volvos spanning 30+ years and if I were looking for a new SUV I would certainly consider this one. (Although I admit that I know nothing about the other makes the OP is considering.)
Thanks for the info. Ever had any major issues with any of the Volvos? We are definitely going to test drive one but haven't had much luck finding a used 2018 model that isn't 50k+.

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Post by Scrapr » Tue May 22, 2018 11:42 pm

ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 10:12 pm
friar1610 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 8:33 pm
FWIW, my 2015 Volvo XC70 had some work done on it today and they gave me a 2018 XC60 as a loaner. I thought it was a nice driving car although I personally prefer wagons to SUVs. All new Volvos now have at least a 4 cyl w/turbo. The high end engine adds a supercharger for more pep. I don't know for sure which I had but I suspect it was turbo only. It was peppy enough; I didn't drive it on any interstates and I didn't get above 50 on local roads. The one thing I noticed was a slight hesitation when I accelerated from a stop - probably just until the turbo kicked in. It has a lot of nice amenities and was roomy and comfortable. I've had 4 Volvos spanning 30+ years and if I were looking for a new SUV I would certainly consider this one. (Although I admit that I know nothing about the other makes the OP is considering.)
Thanks for the info. Ever had any major issues with any of the Volvos? We are definitely going to test drive one but haven't had much luck finding a used 2018 model that isn't 50k+.
I've had 3 Volvos. 2 went +300k miles. 3rd is 1 year old. Almost to 30k miles but was on the ship 2 months so i wasn't driving it. For a period of time the transmissions were not mated well with the engine. 00-03 or so wagons and the 06-07 SUV. Early V60 platform models have something going on with the engine that typically requires an engine change on *some cars*. 11 or 12 for about a year.

Volvo has been totally remade as Ford owned them and did nothing with the model lines. Geely bought out Ford has done a great job of refreshing ea line. They are almost through the entire line. Part of the refresh was a new 4 cylinder for most of the models. With a supercharger & turbo depending on trim levels.

I do regular maintenence but it's just regular stuff. 2018 is a bit new for a used model. as you get later in the spring some loaners or demo will come on the market. I love the new XC60 (small SUV)

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Post by friar1610 » Wed May 23, 2018 6:05 am

ugaDAWGS09 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 10:12 pm
friar1610 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 8:33 pm
FWIW, my 2015 Volvo XC70 had some work done on it today and they gave me a 2018 XC60 as a loaner. I thought it was a nice driving car although I personally prefer wagons to SUVs. All new Volvos now have at least a 4 cyl w/turbo. The high end engine adds a supercharger for more pep. I don't know for sure which I had but I suspect it was turbo only. It was peppy enough; I didn't drive it on any interstates and I didn't get above 50 on local roads. The one thing I noticed was a slight hesitation when I accelerated from a stop - probably just until the turbo kicked in. It has a lot of nice amenities and was roomy and comfortable. I've had 4 Volvos spanning 30+ years and if I were looking for a new SUV I would certainly consider this one. (Although I admit that I know nothing about the other makes the OP is considering.)
Thanks for the info. Ever had any major issues with any of the Volvos? We are definitely going to test drive one but haven't had much luck finding a used 2018 model that isn't 50k+.


Nothing major major. But as you probably know, Volvo has a reputation for being pricey in the maintenance area. That's a reputation it deserves, IMO.
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