Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

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Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

Post by bogleblessed » Wed May 02, 2018 9:27 am

Just want to know if I am entitled for pro-rated equity (membership interest) and bonus if I get laid off in middle of the year. Company has been paying 20% bonus every year and it was part of my offer as well. Membership interest vest annually.

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Re: Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

Post by smitcat » Wed May 02, 2018 10:18 am

Where I worked you needed to be fully employed on the date the bonus was issued otherwise you were not paid a bonus. It was clearly written in the employee handbook.

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Post by krannerd » Wed May 02, 2018 10:30 am

It depends on your company policy. HR should have a summary policy description which answers those questions.

Some also have additional benefits if you're laid off as part of an acquisition.

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Re: Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

Post by Pajamas » Wed May 02, 2018 10:31 am

bogleblessed wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 9:27 am
Just want to know if I am entitled for pro-rated equity (membership interest) and bonus if I get laid off in middle of the year. Company has been paying 20% bonus every year and it was part of my offer as well. Membership interest vest annually.
Usually not but you should go by company policy and your contract if you have one. Sometimes there are special benefits for people being laid off.

If you think you might get laid off you might want to accelerate your contributions to retirement plans and also spend down any flexible savings accounts.

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Re: Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

Post by PVW » Wed May 02, 2018 12:08 pm

bogleblessed wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 9:27 am
Just want to know if I am entitled for pro-rated equity (membership interest) and bonus if I get laid off in middle of the year. Company has been paying 20% bonus every year and it was part of my offer as well. Membership interest vest annually.
Not at my company. You need to be employed on the date the bonus is paid or your equity grants vest.

If you are concerned about getting laid off, you should think about any severance benefits you want to ask for and remind them what they are getting for their severance payments.

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Post by lazydavid » Wed May 02, 2018 2:07 pm

As others have said, check your specific policies, but most places I've seen have it based on the separation date. This is the date on which you fall off the books and cease being an "employee". Depending on the severance arrangement, this could be weeks or months after your final day worked. I've seen RIFs targeted so the separation date occurred a week or two before the bonus and RSU vesting dates, and also seen people finagle extensions to their separation date by applying for internal roles, resulting in receiving said bonuses and equity awards that they otherwise would not have.

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Re: Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

Post by Tal- » Wed May 02, 2018 2:15 pm

Bonuses will rarely be paid, or pro-rated at lay off. As other mentioned, it will depend on the plan - but that's extremely rare.

I can't speak to equity.
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Post by dcabler » Wed May 02, 2018 2:19 pm

In my experience, it depends on the company what they do at the time of the particular layoff. The handbook tends to contain the minimum that they'll do. However, in some cases, they can be generous with such things. In other cases, you get your accrued vacation time and maybe a couple of week's severance (or not). I've worked at companies where it was different each time they had a layoff....

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Post by Artful Dodger » Wed May 02, 2018 2:20 pm

I would note for many companies, there is a difference between lay off and separation from service / termination. The underlying assumption in a layoff is you are still technically an employee, and the employer has some discretion at least on continuation of benefits during this time including whether or not they still contribute a portion to the health and welfare benefits. As others have said, this info should be available from the employer or HR, and they should address whether you are eligible for any accrued bonus. In case of termination, the common answer is no, unless they have specifically stipulated the bonus, or portion, will still be paid.

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Re: Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

Post by dcabler » Wed May 02, 2018 2:27 pm

Artful Dodger wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 2:20 pm
I would note for many companies, there is a difference between lay off and separation from service / termination. The underlying assumption in a layoff is you are still technically an employee, and the employer has some discretion at least on continuation of benefits during this time including whether or not they still contribute a portion to the health and welfare benefits. As others have said, this info should be available from the employer or HR, and they should address whether you are eligible for any accrued bonus. In case of termination, the common answer is no, unless they have specifically stipulated the bonus, or portion, will still be paid.
This. In my field they were always "reductions in force", never a layoff.. yet the terms are commonly used interchangeably by most people affected. It should also be noted that if the reduction is handled under the WARN act, then some special rules apply regarding the notification period, among other things. I've been in a couple of those where the notification was 90 days, we were still employees with all the benefits, except we had to turn in our badges and we couldn't enter the building....

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Post by Earl Lemongrab » Wed May 02, 2018 2:42 pm

At Megacorp, as long as you weren't terminated for cause you were eligible for pro-rated profit-sharing bonus. Whether that applies at your company is a different question.
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Post by bogleblessed » Wed May 02, 2018 11:44 pm

Thank you very much for your feedback, appreciate it.

Looks like I will be really out of luck if I get laid off.

Thanks.

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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Thu May 03, 2018 8:05 am

At a recent job at Megacorp, it was clearly laid out that if the employee was not working full time on the day that any bonus was paid, he would not be entitled to the bonus. This included disability (short or long), leave of absence or any separation from the company for any reason. As Megacorp moved US groups to 3rd world countries and dissolved the US based groups, they would hurry the process to avoid paying any bonuses or profit sharing.
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Re: Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

Post by jharkin » Thu May 03, 2018 8:08 am

bogleblessed wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 11:44 pm
Thank you very much for your feedback, appreciate it.

Looks like I will be really out of luck if I get laid off.

Thanks.
Well think of it this way... you know its coming so you can at least start to prepare your resume, linkedIn profile and start sending out job feelers. For many people this event comes out of the blue with no warning.

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Post by bogleblessed » Thu May 03, 2018 6:51 pm

jharkin wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:08 am
bogleblessed wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 11:44 pm
Thank you very much for your feedback, appreciate it.

Looks like I will be really out of luck if I get laid off.

Thanks.
Well think of it this way... you know its coming so you can at least start to prepare your resume, linkedIn profile and start sending out job feelers. For many people this event comes out of the blue with no warning.
True, will use this time to do exactly what you stated.

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Re: Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

Post by remomnyc » Thu May 03, 2018 8:25 pm

I have been at a few firms where the lay-offs are timed before bonuses were to be paid to avoid paying the bonus.

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Re: Are bonus and equity pro-rated at lay off?

Post by bertilak » Fri May 04, 2018 6:52 am

When I retired, my bonus for the year I retired was pro-rated.
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