Tires on a 15 year old car....Replace or not?

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Tires on a 15 year old car....Replace or not?

Post by harrington » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:46 am

I recently inherited a 2003 Buick Century with under 25,000 miles on the clock. The tires still have tread and show no signs of dry rot. Should I replace the tires just to be on the safe side? The car will only be used to and from my GF job 2 miles away.

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Post by unstartable » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:51 am

15 years?!? I would replace.

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Post by Chip » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:53 am

The rubber hardens with age so they won't have the traction of new tires. I suspect they are at more risk of sudden failure as well.

If you were planning on highway driving or more mileage I think it would be a no-brainer.

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Post by fire5soon » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:56 am

I don't recall the exact details, but I believe tires should be replaced after approximately 7 years despite mileage due to a breakdown of the materials. I'd have to consult The Google to confirm my theory though.
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Post by Watty » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:58 am

harrington wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:46 am
The car will only be used to and from my GF job 2 miles away.
That is doubtful since once the car is in use longer trips will likely occasionally be needed even if they are still local.

There are code numbers on the side of the tires which will tell you what year the tire was made. It is possible that the prior owner could have had them replaced already when they were ten years old like is usually recommended. You can look up how to read the code on the internet.

If they are 15+ years old I would replace them, if you don't replace them now then you will likely replace them in the next few years anyway so you would not be avoiding the cost, just delaying it. By doing it now you can schedule it when it is convenient and shop for a good price.

Don't forget the spare tire too.

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Post by Hanksmoney » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:02 am

harrington wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:46 am
I recently inherited a 2003 Buick Century with under 25,000 miles on the clock. The tires still have tread and show no signs of dry rot. Should I replace the tires just to be on the safe side? The car will only be used to and from my GF job 2 miles away.
My dad was in the same situation with a 2500 Ram (2001, 25K miles). He had a tire blow out pulling a 10,000 lb trailer. Luckily it was before he got on the interstate b/c that could have been bad. If you plan on going over 50 mph, I would recommend having them checked out if you have a trustworthy tire place - or just replace.

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Re: Tires on a 15 year old car....Replace or not?

Post by Bob-a-job » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:04 am

If the car is only being used for a two mile commute to work, I would not be in a rush to replace the tires assuming that they are legal as far as inspection.

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Post by 260chrisb » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:10 am

It would be best to replace them if they are the original tires. I wouldn't personally replace the spare (probably a temp) but I would inspect it and make sure it's got proper pressure in it if it's a full size tire. Do it before you are forced to do it which never comes at a good time.

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Post by Herbert » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:11 am

Most of the limited literature I have read says less than 10 years old. From what I recall, its hard to put an exact amount of time because many factors such as temperature and other environmental conditions can make quite a difference when it comes to the actual lifespan of tires. If it were me, I would check out a few different retailers and find a decent set of new tires since its not worth it to me to take the risk of having an accident due to driving on potentially bad tires. :beer

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Post by mmmodem » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:17 am

Replace tires after 6-10 years regardless of mileage. Look up the code to determine the age of the tires. They might not be 13 years old.
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Post by thegoodlife » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:17 am

Yes, replace them now.
A couple years ago I was in almost the exact same situation and put off getting new tires. When I finally did, I wish I had got them sooner. Just do it now, you need them and they will be safer.

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Post by bob60014 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:02 am

Replace them. Very cheap insurance for the gf!

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Post by Broken Man 1999 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:04 am

Due to the continuous construction on our roads, if it were me I would replace those tires (if original or over recommended life) immediately. Running over even a small piece of debris could cause a blowout, perhaps resulting in am accident.

Certain things like inattentive drivers and such are beyond our control, but good tires are always the best choice.

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Post by Ron » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:26 am

FWIW, I replaced the original tires on my '02 Mustang GT vert last spring at the 15 year mark with only 22K on the car/tires (and I drive like an old man - because I am :annoyed ).

While I don't drive the car that often and it's always kept in a garage (out of the sun/weather), I just felt that I was tempting fate and did not want to risk being inconvenience by tire problems, even though I rarely drive it more than 10 miles away from my house.

As a side-note, I never had problems with the old tires. I had the new ones on for less than a year, and one went flat overnight due to picking up a screw in the tread area :oops: . Oh well, a $10 patch and it's a good as new (since it practically is).

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Post by midareff » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:28 am

Replace immediately.

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Post by Psyayeayeduck » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:35 am

Never skimp on anything that is between you and the ground. This includes, but not limited to, beds, shoes, and tires.

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Post by ClevrChico » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:38 am

We have a car of similar age that is just used locally. I'll be installing Wal-Mart Douglas tires on it it a few weeks. They have good reviews and are about half the cost of a name brand tire. (They're essentially generic GoodYear, still made in the USA.)

A new cheap tire is better than an ancient tire. I'm a tire snob and typically only run Michelin, but on a car that could be scrapped at any time, I couldn't bring myself to spend Michelin money on it.

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Post by bubbadog » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:48 am

Psyayeayeduck wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:35 am
Never skimp on anything that is between you and the ground. This includes, but not limited to, beds, shoes, and tires.
Great quote! :sharebeer

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Post by Teague » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:52 am

Undoubtedly the rubber has degraded over the years, just how much is unknown and dependent on environment and other factors. The sidewalls may not show cracking simply because the car has not been driven much lately and the sidewalls have not been flexed much because of that. So the tire is undoubtedly weaker than when when it was newer, but how much weaker is the question. The time this structural weakness is most likely to show up is when the tire is subjected to extreme stress, e.g. emergency braking, sudden collision avoidance maneuver, higher speeds (more heat buildup), hitting potholes and foreign objects. I'd replace without a doubt, but that's just me.
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Post by mhadden1 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:21 am

Ron wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:26 am
I had the new ones on for less than a year, and one went flat overnight due to picking up a screw in the tread area
Bought 4 Michelins for the Highlander prior to a trip to FL to help DS move. RIght rear flat on day 2 - piece of metal and a screw. Not fixable. Weird coincidence: the offending objects looked a lot like some stuff I was working on in the garage.
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Post by gotester2000 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:30 am

Anything related to safety is worth not delaying a moment - you have one life and it is worth more than $400.

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Post by alfaspider » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:37 am

Tires are date stamped:

https://www.tirebuyer.com/education/how ... your-tires

If the tires are over 10 years old, they should be replaced regardless of wear.

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Post by bottlecap » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:53 am

I agree they should be replaced if probably 8 years or older. Consult the tire manufacturer’s recommendation for the specific replacement interval. Some say 10 years, some say less.

I would be most worried about stopping distance given the type of driving the car will be used for.

Good luck.

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Post by ArmchairArchitect » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:28 am

If garage kept or out of the sun and elements, I would think you have more life out of them since there's no UV rays breaking down the rubber.

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Post by N10sive » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:56 am

I would say replace.

If you are a Costco member they are currently having $70 dollars off bridgestone tires and 1 cent installation. You could be looking at under $350 for new tires. They are offering this till March 25th at least in the pacific northwest.

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Post by mhadden1 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:15 am

I used internet vendor TireRack for the first time last year - picked a nearby franchise tire store to put them on - the tires arrived on schedule and everything worked fine. I was able to pick the tires I wanted, which the store did not offer, and got a manufacturer rebate in the form of a prepaid Visa card. :happy
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Post by dm200 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:28 am

I would replace them. Even with such low mileage on this car, it is doubtful it will ever become a high mileage car, so the 4 new tires may last as long as the car. We got 2 Costco Michelin defenders for out older Camry (1998) at a good price and if you watch for Costco sales - good deal for four.

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Post by URSnshn » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:36 am

I replace the tires on my car at the 6 year point from the freshness date on the tire(s) - no matter the mileage. And, I buy the freshest tires I can.

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Post by mhadden1 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:37 am

dm200 wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:28 am
Even with such low mileage on this car, it is doubtful it will ever become a high mileage car
There is definitely a line of thinking that, while low-mileage is a real positive, the relatively old model year is a negative factor for seals and stuff.
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Post by dm200 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:42 am

URSnshn wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:36 am
I replace the tires on my car at the 6 year point from the freshness date on the tire(s) - no matter the mileage. And, I buy the freshest tires I can.
I/we do not go that far - but 15 years is well over twice the six.

Yes - the age clock on tires starts from when produced - and NOT when installed - a good reason to buy from a place that installs a high volume of the particular make/model of tire.

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Post by dm200 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:42 am

Has anyone here actually encountered (or personally witnessed) an age related (not mileage) tire failure?

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Post by harrington » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:21 pm

They are original tires so I will change them out this week. :sharebeer

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Post by SeaToTheBay » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:32 pm

Psyayeayeduck wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:35 am
Never skimp on anything that is between you and the ground. This includes, but not limited to, beds, shoes, and tires.
Great quote!

I'd be more concerned with traction/stopping distance than a blowout, although that is a concern as well. It's the only part of the car that touches the road, and therefore affects every aspect of performance - change them.

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Post by RCL » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:38 pm

dm200 wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:42 am
Has anyone here actually encountered (or personally witnessed) an age related (not mileage) tire failure?
I have, on a seldom used F-150 truck. Lots of tread remaining, no sidewall damage visible. Started hearing a different sound when driving around locally, then a small steering change. About two weeks later, I noticed the tread separated on one of the tires. It took two weeks for this failure to become visible. The tires were somewhere between 12-14 years old
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Post by gotester2000 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:47 pm

dm200 wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:42 am
Has anyone here actually encountered (or personally witnessed) an age related (not mileage) tire failure?
I had a tubeless tire incident which was about 7 years old - it did not show any visible signs of tread or other deterioration - suddenly within a distance of few hundred meters it ripped into shreds.
I replaced the entire set.

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Post by TBillT » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:54 pm

Must replace. The problem is rain and you could fishtail.

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Post by SuperGrafx » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:58 pm

Replace.

This is not something to cheap out on.
Tires make a big difference.

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Post by dm200 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:05 pm

gotester2000 wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:47 pm
dm200 wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:42 am
Has anyone here actually encountered (or personally witnessed) an age related (not mileage) tire failure?
I had a tubeless tire incident which was about 7 years old - it did not show any visible signs of tread or other deterioration - suddenly within a distance of few hundred meters it ripped into shreds.
I replaced the entire set.
"tubeless" - term I had not heard for many decades. Suspect almost nobody under a certain age would even know that tires used to have "tubes" :)

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Post by BackOfTheNet » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:07 pm

I just ran a quick quote at Costco and 4 new tires is $270 installed for a 2003 Buick Century. Not worth the risk, get them replaced.

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Post by gotester2000 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:17 pm

dm200 wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:05 pm
gotester2000 wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:47 pm
dm200 wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:42 am
Has anyone here actually encountered (or personally witnessed) an age related (not mileage) tire failure?
I had a tubeless tire incident which was about 7 years old - it did not show any visible signs of tread or other deterioration - suddenly within a distance of few hundred meters it ripped into shreds.
I replaced the entire set.
"tubeless" - term I had not heard for many decades. Suspect almost nobody under a certain age would even know that tires used to have "tubes" :)
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Post by Tal- » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:22 pm

Psyayeayeduck wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:35 am
Never skimp on anything that is between you and the ground. This includes, but not limited to, beds, shoes, and tires.
This quote made me happy. It also happens to be true :)
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Post by PFInterest » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:35 pm

15 year old tires.....and a buick? so much wrong in this post.

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Post by Ozonewanderer » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:49 pm

Would you jump with a used 15 year old parachute even if it looked good?

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Post by myleaf » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:54 pm

replace. money well spent
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Post by Teague » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:28 pm

Ozonewanderer wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:49 pm
Would you jump with a used 15 year old parachute even if it looked good?
Sure, why not?

http://www.parachuteshop.com/parachute_life_limit.htm

And I'd have had a good retort for back when my parents asked "So, if all your friends were going to jump off a cliff, I suppose you would too?"

Sure, as long as I had a good 15 year old parachute!
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Post by VGisforme » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:20 pm

As others have said, replace them immediately. Even if garage kept tires break down just being exposed to air. I wouldn't buy a tire that was too old just sitting on the shelf either. Always check the DOT date codes that tell you the week and year of manufacture. I drive about 15,000 miles a year mixed between summer tires and a winter studless snow/ice tires both of which wear out pretty quickly so usually 4-5 years I need a new set of both pairs.

Don't cheap out on tires, read the reviews and test data on The Tire Rack. They do decent real world testing with stopping and cornering ability in dry and wet. In a panic stop I'd rather have those extra 5-10 feet to work with or the ability to swerve without losing grip and sometimes the difference is only a few bucks a tire between a top and low performer (sometimes the top performer is even cheaper than many alternatives).

I can't believe the folks in my company parking lot that drive on bald tires it is a miracle they make it to work in the rain or snow.

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Post by inbox788 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:41 am

Teague wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:28 pm
Ozonewanderer wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:49 pm
Would you jump with a used 15 year old parachute even if it looked good?
Sure, why not?

http://www.parachuteshop.com/parachute_life_limit.htm

And I'd have had a good retort for back when my parents asked "So, if all your friends were going to jump off a cliff, I suppose you would too?"

Sure, as long as I had a good 15 year old parachute!
I've occasionally taken chances I shouldn't if being super conservative like this crowd, but often were making decisions in an information vacuum. What if the failure rate on a new or newer parachute was 0.000000001% and went up by 1% a year? After 15 years, it might still be less than 0.00000005%, which might be good enough. Why not 12 or 14 years or 20 or 25 years as a cutoff? Or better, why not when the failure rate goes above 0.00001%?

Your risk with 15 year old tires goes up each year, but it's an unknown. Also, when did cheap rubber begin making it's way into tires? A 15 year old tire might be safer than a 10 or 12 year old one where the chances of lesser quality rubber might be a factor. Plenty of examples where durable metal parts have been replaced with plastic parts that turn out to limit lifetimes for a savings of cost that might be in the pennies, but again, we really don't know the odds to make a rational decision based on the data, so we guess and put an arbitrary time limit on risk, which may or may not make sense and with little way of telling if we made the right choice.

Anyway, practically speaking, since the car isn't going to get driven very often the replacement tires should last a lifetime (at least 6-10 years), so why not replace them now, rather than 5 years from now right before you get rid of the car? Or are you planning on keeping the car for 25 years, in which case, you have to consider waiting 5 years to make 20 and replacing them in 5 years to go another 20 years and taking your chances or splurging on an extra set of tires on a car that you keep around for 2 decades. Fortunately it's not a whole lot of money that most folks can't afford to have a little extra peace of mind.

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Post by Ozonewanderer » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:01 am

The risk with age is not completely unknown.

From Michelin’s web site:
“If the tires haven't been replaced 10 years after their date of manufacture, as a precaution, Michelin recommends replacing them with new tires. Even if they appear to be in usable condition and have not worn down to the tread wear indicator.
This applies to spare tires as well.”

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Post by kaneohe » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:07 am

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=244443&newpost=3833532

This thread and the linked one appear to have a lot in common. I agonized over the tire issue too and finally decided that I/family/friendsI were too important not to change the tires.

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Post by rgs92 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:15 am

Never be cheap with roofs and tires.

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