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Tesla truck unveil

Post by 4nursebee » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:56 am

Following is the link for last nights event. Somewhere there is a 9 minute condensed version. What do you think?

https://livestream.tesla.com/

I'm a big fan of not smelling exhaust ever again along with the apparent safety features.

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Post by 4nursebee » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:26 am

Short condensed version

https://youtu.be/5n9xafjynJA
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Post by TomatoTomahto » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:03 am

The Roadster sounds like a beast. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. 620 mile range, 200 kWh battery.

I hope the truck does well. Around here, semi trucks are responsible for lots of fatalities and road closures.

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Post by wrongfunds » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:14 am

aaarggg, no price listed for the Roadster :-( I think if I can do "OMY" for 20 more years, I might be able to afford it :-)

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Post by stats99 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:18 am

I heard about $250,000 on CNBC, at least for first production run.

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Post by Shallowpockets » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:28 am

Stock is up about $12 this AM premarket.
Not a BH thing but when Elon Musk has an event like this you usually see this sort of price action. So if you had bought, even at the high $318, yesterday for 100 shares, you could probably get out this AM with $700.
I know, I know. But not an investment, a trade. But that is the point. Not an ivestement, a trade. So if you had 32k sitting around. Seems like a small part of what most BHs have in their portfolio.

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Post by 4nursebee » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:57 am

JB Hunt has reserved some trucks already.
Meijer grocer in Detroit ordered four.
Wow.
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Post by TomatoTomahto » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:00 am

My wife, who has not wanted a Model S or X (or a semi, for that matter), is intrigued by the new Roadster. Range is plenty, and if we can learn to fold ourselves into and out of it, she’s game.

Last kid should be out of college by the time it’s available. It would be a wonderful retirement present for her I think. I know it’s not very BH appearing, but believe it or not, we’d still be living below our means :oops:

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Post by TomatoTomahto » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:03 am

4nursebee wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:57 am
JB Hunt has reserved some trucks already.
Meijer grocer in Detroit ordered four.
Wow.
There are some shorts and “over my dead body” opponents of Tesla, many present on BH, and fwiw, they might be right in the end. I prefer the optimistic viewpoint.

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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:08 am

The Roadster stats are unbelievable. Very cool looking and I was waiting for the rear seat description to compare to a 911 or Evora as either would be fitting comparisons. (aka, put your 4 year old back there or more likely, strap in a bag of groceries). Rumors are that the roadster price starts at $250k.
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Post by TomatoTomahto » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:21 am

Jack FFR1846 wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:08 am
The Roadster stats are unbelievable. Very cool looking and I was waiting for the rear seat description to compare to a 911 or Evora as either would be fitting comparisons. (aka, put your 4 year old back there or more likely, strap in a bag of groceries). Rumors are that the roadster price starts at $250k.
Elon Musk laughingly referred to the back seats as being unable to hold a giant. I don't think I'd put anyone back there who was of a normal size for more than a few miles. I once rode from NYC to DC in the back of an MG; not recommended. ETA: I was 17 years old and flexible at the time; still not recommended.

I think the official price will be $200k, but Founder's Edition (and probably the first year's run) will be $250k. The deposit numbers are steep.

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Post by TomatoTomahto » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:32 am

Thanks for posting this and the other videos. Plaid lives!

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Post by Atilla » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:52 am

Will the Tesla truck have an automatic slower traffic keep right feature?
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Post by wrongfunds » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:03 am

If you buy Tesla roadster with autopilot option, I will come personally to you and you will NOT like what I do to you :-)

Seriously, I am saddened that every Tesla roadster will be purchased with autopilot option and Tesla would publish Nuremberg Ring numbers with no driver in the car.

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Post by MotoTrojan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:59 am

TomatoTomahto wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:00 am
My wife, who has not wanted a Model S or X (or a semi, for that matter), is intrigued by the new Roadster. Range is plenty, and if we can learn to fold ourselves into and out of it, she’s game.

Last kid should be out of college by the time it’s available. It would be a wonderful retirement present for her I think. I know it’s not very BH appearing, but believe it or not, we’d still be living below our means :oops:
Only on BH can you humble-brag about a $250K car being below your means ;). Stunning car. Careful with all that power!

I hiv to imagine the 200kw battery will find its way into the less sporty cars eventually as well. 500+ mile range Model X would be the ultimate family car.

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Post by HomerJ » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:59 am

Shallowpockets wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:28 am
Stock is up about $12 this AM premarket.
Not a BH thing but when Elon Musk has an event like this you usually see this sort of price action. So if you had bought, even at the high $318, yesterday for 100 shares, you could probably get out this AM with $700.
I know, I know. But not an investment, a trade. But that is the point. Not an ivestement, a trade. So if you had 32k sitting around. Seems like a small part of what most BHs have in their portfolio.
One of the REASONS $32k is a small part of most BHs' portfolios is BECAUSE we don't make speculative one-day trades on individual stocks.

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Post by TravelGeek » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:01 am

Atilla wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:52 am
Will the Tesla truck have an automatic slower traffic keep right feature?
And an automatic “don’t pass another truck with less than a 10 mph speed differential” feature, please. :happy

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Post by wrongfunds » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:07 am

If you want to buy Roadster when it becomes available, all you have to do is to put the full purchase price of $250K as deposit right now for promised delivery in 2020. DualTomato needs to get on the list so that rest of BH can live vicariously.

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Post by barnaclebob » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:15 am

TravelGeek wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:01 am
Atilla wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:52 am
Will the Tesla truck have an automatic slower traffic keep right feature?
And an automatic “don’t pass another truck with less than a 10 mph speed differential” feature, please. :happy
I'd be happy with a 2mph passing differential.

I'm still a skeptic on Tesla but also recognize that a Billionaire willing to throw his money around to not be proven wrong is an extremely powerful force.

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Post by riverguy » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:18 am

Are they going to be building these by hand too?

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Post by TomatoTomahto » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:22 am

MotoTrojan wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:59 am
TomatoTomahto wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:00 am
My wife, who has not wanted a Model S or X (or a semi, for that matter), is intrigued by the new Roadster. Range is plenty, and if we can learn to fold ourselves into and out of it, she’s game.

Last kid should be out of college by the time it’s available. It would be a wonderful retirement present for her I think. I know it’s not very BH appearing, but believe it or not, we’d still be living below our means :oops:
Only on BH can you humble-brag about a $250K car being below your means ;). Stunning car. Careful with all that power!

I hiv to imagine the 200kw battery will find its way into the less sporty cars eventually as well. 500+ mile range Model X would be the ultimate family car.
With 3 in college at once, now, that makes our budget look very different by 2020. Sorry about the humble brag; I shouldn't have. If you could see how little we spend on clothes, furniture, dining, vacations, etc., you'd see where the LBYM is funded from :D

ETA: we would probably opt for the $200 rather than the $250 :D
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Post by jdb » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:57 am

Thanks for the link. I am waiting for the pickup truck.

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Post by MotoTrojan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:46 pm

TomatoTomahto wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:22 am
MotoTrojan wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:59 am
TomatoTomahto wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:00 am
My wife, who has not wanted a Model S or X (or a semi, for that matter), is intrigued by the new Roadster. Range is plenty, and if we can learn to fold ourselves into and out of it, she’s game.

Last kid should be out of college by the time it’s available. It would be a wonderful retirement present for her I think. I know it’s not very BH appearing, but believe it or not, we’d still be living below our means :oops:
Only on BH can you humble-brag about a $250K car being below your means ;). Stunning car. Careful with all that power!

I hiv to imagine the 200kw battery will find its way into the less sporty cars eventually as well. 500+ mile range Model X would be the ultimate family car.
With 3 in college at once, now, that makes our budget look very different by 2020. Sorry about the humble brag; I shouldn't have. If you could see how little we spend on clothes, furniture, dining, vacations, etc., you'd see where the LBYM is funded from :D

ETA: we would probably opt for the $200 rather than the $250 :D
Haha just poking some fun, I hope to be in your shoes down the road! This forum should really help that reality.

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Post by iamlucky13 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:46 pm

I hadn't been paying close enough attention to know a new Roadster is coming, but am not surprised. It was a given the performance would be insane. The range is probably mainly a result of the size battery pack needed to get the performance.

I can't help but think it does not look like a 250 mph car. I think Bugatti had trouble with stability at about that speed on the Veyron, and it has far more significant aero features.

The semi-truck seems like a pretty major investment in a segment with very discriminating customers and very long life expectancies - often in excess of 1 million miles. Energy density is an even bigger concern. I'm not surprised they didn't clarify what vehicle weight that 500 mile range is at. If that's a 500 mile range empty, it's not a very helpful data point. I assume this is intended mostly as short haul truck, in which case a couple hundred mile range could be fine.

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Post by niceguy7376 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:17 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:46 pm
I'm not surprised they didn't clarify what vehicle weight that 500 mile range is at. If that's a 500 mile range empty, it's not a very helpful data point. I assume this is intended mostly as short haul truck, in which case a couple hundred mile range could be fine.
The Youtube video mentioned that the 500 mile range is at full Gross Vehicle Weight and at Interstate speeds.

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Post by ray.james » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:27 pm

Walmart ordered 15 for testing in USA and Canada. Albertsons(+ subsidiary safeway) is considering testing it for city transportation. Pretty good day for Tesla.

30 minutes for 400 miles range. 0-60 in 20 seconds. Semi-Autonomous driving especially on freeways. Its impact is far beyond if one would ask me.
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Post by Point » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:34 pm

This is a bet against Buffet on several levels: Walmart, Pilot, Railroads. Interesting.

The infrastructure will need to built out for charging en masse at truck stops, and electricity rates could get interesting due to time of day charges. But I'll bet Tesla will also have a deal coming in the pipeline for solar build outs to feed the truck stops power.

Cold weather may be a problem, time will tell.

This is all about heading to driverless - that's the real cost reduction downstream. Once you get there you can run these 7x24x365. Then you get the ROI.

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Point wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:34 pm
This is a bet against Buffet on several levels: Walmart, Pilot, Railroads. Interesting.

The infrastructure will need to built out for charging en masse at truck stops, and electricity rates could get interesting due to time of day charges. But I'll bet Tesla will also have a deal coming in the pipeline for solar build outs to feed the truck stops power.

Cold weather may be a problem, time will tell.

This is all about heading to driverless - that's the real cost reduction downstream. Once you get there you can run these 7x24x365. Then you get the ROI.
Those used to be called "Trains" but they're no longer fashionable. Plenty of ROI already there :wink:

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Post by knpstr » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:45 pm

The roadster's torque is listed as 10,000 Nm ?!?

A Bugatti Chiron has "only" 1,600 Nm

That's crazy.
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Post by knpstr » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:52 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:46 pm


The semi-truck seems like a pretty major investment in a segment with very discriminating customers and very long life expectancies - often in excess of 1 million miles.

Tesla "claims" the semis will pay for themselves ($200,000) in 2 years, due to fuel/maintenance savings.

Interesting the the Semi is equipped with 4 independent motors.
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Post by emoore » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:14 pm

ray.james wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:27 pm
Walmart ordered 15 for testing in USA and Canada. Albertsons(+ subsidiary safeway) is considering testing it for city transportation. Pretty good day for Tesla.

30 minutes for 400 miles range. 0-60 in 20 seconds. Semi-Autonomous driving especially on freeways. Its impact is far beyond if one would ask me.
+1. The transportation industry is going to change significantly in the next 20 years. And for the better if you ask me. There is already research into electric planes. Don't worry sunny_socal, there are already electric trains :)

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Post by gougou » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:47 pm

So what do you guys think about Tesla stock? I have about 10% of my stock portfolio in TSLA.

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Post by jdb » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:51 pm

But what I really want are all electric Tesla (or any other brand for that matter) buses, especially tour buses. Have you ever been stuck in heavy traffic on two lane road behind diesel exhaust spewing large bus and couldn’t pass and had to breathe the fumes? Ought to be a law.

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Post by TomatoTomahto » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:55 pm

jdb wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:51 pm
But what I really want are all electric Tesla (or any other brand for that matter) buses, especially tour buses. Have you ever been stuck in heavy traffic on two lane road behind diesel exhaust spewing large bus and couldn’t pass and had to breathe the fumes? Ought to be a law.
One of my favorite features in the Model X is the large HEPA filter, especially when behind buses in a tunnel. But yes, that’s a bandaid; the solution is to have cleaner buses.

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gougou wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:47 pm
So what do you guys think about Tesla stock? I have about 10% of my stock portfolio in TSLA.
Overvalued, risky, and not much upside. That is my $0.02s.

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Post by Shallowpockets » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:18 pm

Too bad they can't make a swappable battery pack. National truck stops like Pilot could have a bank of them. Sort of like swapping out my empty propane tank at Walmart.
Could be a seperate trailer, right behind the cab. So cab, battery pack, load haul trailer. Then they just have to unhook and swap it out. Would be smart if Tesla itself fronted the infrastructure cost and placement of these.
Range is of importance, but so is time to charge. For our urban, suburban uses like the cars we can wait for a recharge. No information has been given yet on that recharge info, only for tentative range.

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MotoTrojan wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:17 pm
gougou wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:47 pm
So what do you guys think about Tesla stock? I have about 10% of my stock portfolio in TSLA.
Overvalued, risky, and not much upside. That is my $0.02s.
I don't buy individual stock anymore, but I'd say the stock is worth it. Its one of the very, very few companies I can point to today and say they are making legitimate technological advances that will change (hopefully improve!) the way we live on a substantive scale. I read the book on Elon Musk as well; if I were to bet on anyone to keep innovating meaningfully in the tech sector, he would be at the very top of the list, as he eschews selling out for short-term profits in lieu of long-term technical advancements. (Bezos has the same mindset.)

Wish I could say the same about Twitter and facebook.

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Post by lightheir » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:38 pm

Shallowpockets wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:18 pm
Too bad they can't make a swappable battery pack. National truck stops like Pilot could have a bank of them. Sort of like swapping out my empty propane tank at Walmart.
Could be a seperate trailer, right behind the cab. So cab, battery pack, load haul trailer. Then they just have to unhook and swap it out. Would be smart if Tesla itself fronted the infrastructure cost and placement of these.
Range is of importance, but so is time to charge. For our urban, suburban uses like the cars we can wait for a recharge. No information has been given yet on that recharge info, only for tentative range.
With a 500-600 mile real driving range, you will not need a swappable battery pack, ever.

Tesla just needs to get the cost of that big battery down to consumer level with economy of scale - even apartment dwellers without a dedicated personal parking spot could easily make this work if they could go 500 miles between charges.

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Post by sunny_socal » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:44 pm

Shallowpockets wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:18 pm
Too bad they can't make a swappable battery pack. National truck stops like Pilot could have a bank of them. Sort of like swapping out my empty propane tank at Walmart.
Could be a seperate trailer, right behind the cab. So cab, battery pack, load haul trailer. Then they just have to unhook and swap it out. Would be smart if Tesla itself fronted the infrastructure cost and placement of these.
Range is of importance, but so is time to charge. For our urban, suburban uses like the cars we can wait for a recharge. No information has been given yet on that recharge info, only for tentative range.
I'm hoping for newer technology, something like super capacitors or carbon nanotube batteries. Having piles of Lithium batteries isn't exactly 'green' nor are the Lithium mines:
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Post by emoore » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:01 pm

sunny_socal wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:44 pm
Shallowpockets wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:18 pm
Too bad they can't make a swappable battery pack. National truck stops like Pilot could have a bank of them. Sort of like swapping out my empty propane tank at Walmart.
Could be a seperate trailer, right behind the cab. So cab, battery pack, load haul trailer. Then they just have to unhook and swap it out. Would be smart if Tesla itself fronted the infrastructure cost and placement of these.
Range is of importance, but so is time to charge. For our urban, suburban uses like the cars we can wait for a recharge. No information has been given yet on that recharge info, only for tentative range.
I'm hoping for newer technology, something like super capacitors or carbon nanotube batteries. Having piles of Lithium batteries isn't exactly 'green' nor are the Lithium mines:
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Sorry but that's much much more green than anything we have right now. Eventually batteries will get better for the environment but even now they are much better than burning oil.

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Post by MotoTrojan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:19 pm

lightheir wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:37 pm
MotoTrojan wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:17 pm
gougou wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:47 pm
So what do you guys think about Tesla stock? I have about 10% of my stock portfolio in TSLA.
Overvalued, risky, and not much upside. That is my $0.02s.
I don't buy individual stock anymore, but I'd say the stock is worth it. Its one of the very, very few companies I can point to today and say they are making legitimate technological advances that will change (hopefully improve!) the way we live on a substantive scale. I read the book on Elon Musk as well; if I were to bet on anyone to keep innovating meaningfully in the tech sector, he would be at the very top of the list, as he eschews selling out for short-term profits in lieu of long-term technical advancements. (Bezos has the same mindset.)

Wish I could say the same about Twitter and facebook.
Where in your statement did you make any connection to the current valuation/price? The internet changed the world, but that doesn't mean late 90's valuations were justified or setup to make an investor a strong return. Stock-picking is not about picking winning companies.

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Post by TravelGeek » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:30 pm

Shallowpockets wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:18 pm
Too bad they can't make a swappable battery pack.
Well... they did explore that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY

I don't follow Tesla closely enough to know all the reasons for it, but they seem to have stopped pursuing that in favor of superchargers.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-shuts-d ... rchargers/

There was also a company called Better Place that pursued this approach, but it didn't work out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place

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Post by btenny » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:42 pm

This dog and pony show was a joke IMO. Total vaporware or worse. It is not a product yet or even close. The truck does not work and will not tow any real heavy loads any significant distance because the design is not done. It is years away. The truck shown has no cooling or radiator for the power train but is supposed to have enough power to tow 80K pounds up a 4% grade hill. Guess what, that design would burn it up without motor cooling. So where is this?

This event was just more BS trying to pump the stock before they go out for more money to pour into the Model 3 mess. This company is sort of like Apple right after the Mac was released and before they fired Steve Jobs. It needs a real CEO. Not some star gazing idea man. But some person or persons who can ship products and drive people and lower costs and so forth.

Just my opinion.

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Re: Tesla truck unnveil

Post by iamlucky13 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:09 pm

niceguy7376 wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:17 pm
iamlucky13 wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:46 pm
I'm not surprised they didn't clarify what vehicle weight that 500 mile range is at. If that's a 500 mile range empty, it's not a very helpful data point. I assume this is intended mostly as short haul truck, in which case a couple hundred mile range could be fine.
The Youtube video mentioned that the 500 mile range is at full Gross Vehicle Weight and at Interstate speeds.
As an engineer with some experience with commercial vehicles, I'd like to know his battery specs then.

Doing an energy comparison with a 40% thermal efficiency diesel getting 6mpg, a 95% efficient electric truck would need a 1430 kWh battery. With the best lithium ion cells I know of in mass production (Sanyo NCR18650GA), the battery pack will weigh at least 11,000 pounds for the cells only (not counting structure, wiring, and cooling system), and cost $232,000 at the $162/kWh Bloomberg Finance estimates industrial volume prices have dropped to as of this summer. A Freightliner costs about $150,000 for the full truck.

Alternate check on my math
Model S:
270 miles x 4500 pounds / 85 kWh = 7.1 ton-miles/kWh
1200 pound battery = 2.0 pounds battery per ton-mile capacity

Tesla Semi:
500 miles x 80,000 pounds / 1430 kWh = 14.0 ton-miles/kWh
11,000 pound battery = 0.55 pounds battery per ton-mile capacity

Comparing those, the figures I'm using appear generous with regards to giving credence to the claims.

A more rigorous analysis recently came up with higher numbers of around 2000 kWh for a 600 mile range, based on real average payloads, drive cycles, and total of drag plus other resistances.
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/ac ... tt.7b00432

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Re: Tesla truck unnveil

Post by stoptothink » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:17 pm

btenny wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:42 pm
This dog and pony show was a joke IMO. Total vaporware or worse. It is not a product yet or even close. The truck does not work and will not tow any real heavy loads any significant distance because the design is not done. It is years away. The truck shown has no cooling or radiator for the power train but is supposed to have enough power to tow 80K pounds up a 4% grade hill. Guess what, that design would burn it up without motor cooling. So where is this?

This event was just more BS trying to pump the stock before they go out for more money to pour into the Model 3 mess. This company is sort of like Apple right after the Mac was released and before they fired Steve Jobs. It needs a real CEO. Not some star gazing idea man. But some person or persons who can ship products and drive people and lower costs and so forth.

Just my opinion.
Although I am a fan of Musk, this is right on the money. The specs and capabilities he was throwing out are so beyond the realm of possibility right now, not to mention Tesla's increasingly bad track record of delivering what they promise, that I don't know how anybody is taking this seriously.

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Re: Tesla truck unnveil

Post by ray.james » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:22 pm

sunny_socal wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:39 pm
Point wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:34 pm
This is a bet against Buffet on several levels: Walmart, Pilot, Railroads. Interesting.

The infrastructure will need to built out for charging en masse at truck stops, and electricity rates could get interesting due to time of day charges. But I'll bet Tesla will also have a deal coming in the pipeline for solar build outs to feed the truck stops power.

Cold weather may be a problem, time will tell.

This is all about heading to driverless - that's the real cost reduction downstream. Once you get there you can run these 7x24x365. Then you get the ROI.
Those used to be called "Trains" but they're no longer fashionable. Plenty of ROI already there :wink:
sunny _socal, the correct analogy is will people upgrade from payphone to cellphones or home phone to cellphones?
One transportation network services every house and another specific location to location on a dedicated lines/track.
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Re: Tesla truck unnveil

Post by motorcyclesarecool » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:32 pm

Did Mr. Musk disclose the “wet” weight? I imagine those batteries could well reduce available payload.
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Re: Tesla truck unnveil

Post by iamlucky13 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:36 pm

jdb wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:51 pm
But what I really want are all electric Tesla (or any other brand for that matter) buses, especially tour buses. Have you ever been stuck in heavy traffic on two lane road behind diesel exhaust spewing large bus and couldn’t pass and had to breathe the fumes? Ought to be a law.
Of course we all have. It's obnoxious, but not noxious. It's a minor odor and short term exposure to moderate amounts of particulate matter.

There is a law, and the 2007 revision to it prioritized nitrogen oxide emissions over particulate matter. The result was lower cylinder temperatures, higher particulate and unburned hydrocarbon emissions, and slightly lower efficiency. Prior to that, diesels were actually getting pretty clean for a while.

That said, city buses are one of the better potential applications for electric commercial vehicles. Frequent starts and stops, lots of non-moving time, low speeds, limited range requirements, and relatively low payload weight all play towards electric vehicle's strengths.

Seattle has 73 Proterra electric buses on order. They cost $750,000 each, which is $1/4 million more than a comparable diesel bus (I have no idea why diesel buses costs so much more than diesel trucks). I was shocked at the cost, but from some rough calcs I've done that take into account the low commercial rates the city pays for electricity, I think they could potentially pay for themselves if the maintenance costs are low enough and they last long enough. I had looked up the transit agency's budget and found the maintenance costs really were quite high, but I have no idea how much of that is related to the engine and transmission versus the rest of the bus.

In town delivery vehicles are another potential good application. UPS has actually be using hybrid trucks for years now, hinting at the possibility to go full electric. What's really interesting is I've starting occasionally seeing Smith Newton electric delivery trucks in my area with Frito Lay branding on the side. It makes sense since convenience snacks are low density, and they're probably stopping at convenience stores every mile or two on their routes.

The trucks have less than 100 mile range, and are limited to 50 mph, but that's all they need. They use a different type of lithium ion battery than most applications that is more optimal for longevity and life-cycle cost, rather than energy and power density.

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