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Dental implants in Poland

Post by sabhen » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:48 pm

I need dental implants for 4 teeth in my upper jaw. Doing a quick research online, the US seems by far the most expensive. Poland tend to be one of the cheapest. Anybody with experience doing dental implants abroad or Poland? Thanks.

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Post by denovo » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:49 pm

I know a lot of people go to Mexico, which I suspect will be cheaper, travel-wise.

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Post by Sandtrap » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:01 pm

I have had several done in the US $$$$ by the best in their field.
While I was there I inquired about implants (dental) done abroad because several seniors I know were thinking about Mexico.
The consensus was when they are done correctly and are routine (no complications and only simplest procedures) then some were done "okay". However, there was a lot of work, expense, and pain of recovery, to redo the many that go wrong or go wrong at some later date.

I also know another senior who fell in Thailand and cracked his hip. They did surgery there in Thailand. Several weeks later he returned to the US.. Later in the USA, he was laid up for nearly a year in misery before finding out it had not healed right and things were not done optimally. 3 months ago he underwent a hip replacement (USA) to the same hip and is back, sort of, on the golf course and smiling. There are successes and then there are not so successes.

IMHO when it comes to dental implants and spine surgery and brain surgery and hip replacement, I'd find a way of paying for the best and the best (and most available, meaning USA because that's were I'm located) follow up care that money can buy.

This is my personal experience and not advice for others nor was it intended to be pro or anti-USA health care.
I hope it provides actionable information for all to benefit.
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Post by VictoriaF » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:23 pm

Sandtrap wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:01 pm
IMHO when it comes to dental implants and spine surgery and brain surgery and hip replacement, I'd find a way of paying for the best and the best (and most available, meaning USA) follow up care that money can buy.
How do you know that you are getting the best doctors in the U.S.? We recently had a thread about selecting physicians and surgeons, where medical professionals noted that even they do not always know who would do the best job for them.

One advantage of having a procedure done in the U.S. is doctor's legal liability for egregious mistakes. But this advantage comes with very high prices.

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Post by Sandtrap » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:39 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:23 pm
Sandtrap wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:01 pm
IMHO when it comes to dental implants and spine surgery and brain surgery and hip replacement, I'd find a way of paying for the best and the best (and most available, meaning USA) follow up care that money can buy.
How do you know that you are getting the best doctors in the U.S.? We recently had a thread about selecting physicians and surgeons, where medical professionals noted that even they do not always know who would do the best job for them.

One advantage of having a procedure done in the U.S. is doctor's legal liability for egregious mistakes. But this advantage comes with very high prices.

Victoria
My post is based only on sharing my personal experience and not a generalization for all which is generally dangerous.
Onward.
Because, prior to 2 spine surgeries, I did extensive research beforehand. And conferred with several cousins (Harvard Med, Standford Med, etc, etc) as well as my brother (retired) (Stanford med) and his network.
Recently, my nephew's (also a doctor married to another doctor) newborn needed heart surgery. Special transport was enlisted to fly the child from Hawaii to Stanford Medical which had a department specializing in such procedures. Again, the "network". And how fortunate for the newborn. That was last week. Fingers crossed on recovery.

But you are absolutely correct.
Not everyone has the resources to tap into a "behind the scenes" who's good or not, in the medical profession, especially in the medical profession.
And you are correct in that even those in the medical profession don't always, but perhaps sometimes, know who would do the best job except by personal relations, reputation, and perhaps a 30 year track record of success.

Apologies for any misrepresentations.
Thanks for pointing out some important points for all to benefit and share.
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Post by Bigbonds » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:15 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:23 pm
Sandtrap wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:01 pm
IMHO when it comes to dental implants and spine surgery and brain surgery and hip replacement, I'd find a way of paying for the best and the best (and most available, meaning USA) follow up care that money can buy.
How do you know that you are getting the best doctors in the U.S.? We recently had a thread about selecting physicians and surgeons, where medical professionals noted that even they do not always know who would do the best job for them.

One advantage of having a procedure done in the U.S. is doctor's legal liability for egregious mistakes. But this advantage comes with very high prices.

Victoria
I don't see it either. I would love to see sources that shows the U.S. Dental health care is far superior to that of other countries especially on a cost vs effectiveness comparison. I know there are quite a few people that still think America has the best health care, the best education system etc. but when you take the time to actually do the research you find this is far from the truth. I suspect it's the same for dental care.

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Post by TomatoTomahto » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:44 pm

I have had many implants placed, all in the US. I would not be opposed to getting them done elsewhere, but IME they often require a fair amount of follow up, most often for bite issues.

I have had one set of implants fail. That results in a very long set of procedures to put in a second set.

I don’t think I’d be comfortable having anything other than very simple implants done where a visit to the dentist would require a flight. I definitely wouldn’t do implants that are necessary because of bone loss or that require a sinus lift. If you lost a tooth in an accident, I guess that would be okay.

Sometimes the inexpensive becomes expensive.

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Post by ERISA Stone » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:03 pm

Take it FWIW it was 2004, but I taught English in Poland then. All of the teachers were native English speakers. Anytime a teacher had a toothache and went to the dentist, they came back with a pulled tooth. I was terrified to go to the dentist there because of this (I normally go 4 times/year. Call me crazy but there is no better feeling than a mouth full of cleaned teeth).

Maybe the dental surgeons were better and I just didn't know it?

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Post by knick17 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:52 pm

In the last few years a lot of east european countries are becoming popular for cosmetic surgeries. Poland and Romania are quite famous for dental stuff. I heard Turkey is very good for hair transplant as well.

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Post by 6miths » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:25 pm

I don't know but teeth are something that I wouldn't take a chance on. We spent 3 years overseas and one Christmas I had an abscessed tooth. Fortunately we were visiting the UK at the time so I wasn't too worried about the quality of care that I would receive. The dentist was in fact very good but he commented on how 'beautiful' all of the work on my teeth was. This was nice but the comment was made in the way a Russian might comment on the beauty of a German tank in 1943. From where I sit I always want to think that my dentist or doctor is fairly obsessive about the quality of the care that they deliver. Having taught a bit and toured some medical facilities in Eastern Europe I don't think that I would be having any surgery done there. Western Europe I might consider and still likely to be less expensive than the US. Or consider Canada (I can't discount a home bias!) where standards are pretty much the same as the US, travel costs would likely be much less expensive, everyone would be speaking the same language as you and costs are likely less especially given the current exchange rate.
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Post by Always passive » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:54 pm

I have lived in many places in the world and been exposed to medical experiences outside the US. My view is that you can find good and bad service almost anywhere. In Israel, where I now live, medicine is extremely advanced, but again you need to know who to go to. I would only get out of my comfort zone, if I was pretty sure that I will end up in good hands. So, unless you know very well the capabilities of whoever will do the work in Poland, I would not consider it.

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TomatoTomahto wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:44 pm
I have had many implants placed, all in the US. I would not be opposed to getting them done elsewhere, but IME they often require a fair amount of follow up, most often for bite issues.
This is what I was thinking. Even implants that are "done right" need follow-up and maintenance. Problems develop later. I don't understand why someone would want to fly back to Poland or Mexico every 6 months. Most brands used in foreign countries are not even FDA approved and available in the USA. So the parts and pieces are often not available to US dentists if something needs to be done. And if they do have the parts and pieces, it's gonna be expensive since the US dentist didn't place the implants and is taking on extra liability. Most won't touch them since the last dentist to touch anything owns the problems.

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Post by HongKonger » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:18 am

I used to fly to Bangkok for dental and surgery. The dental clinic was staffed by Asian Americans who qualified in the US. The only clientele I ever observed were Brit and US expats. A return flight, 2 nights in a hotel and a filling or two was still cheaper than a single filling in Hong Kong! Private medical care in Thailand is outstanding.

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Post by wilked » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:50 am

As other noted, implants are not quite routine. You often need follow up and they do fail (I had one of my 3 fail, the implant didn't fuse to the bone. A second opinion said the doctor implanted it too 'shallow')

Forgetting about quality of doctor for a moment, it is worth it to be able to easily access (i.e. Drive) to your doctor / dentist afterward

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Are there any impartial and credible sources/reviews of medical/dental/surgical services for US folks going overseas for such services? Might there be any reviews/associations/accreditation of any of these?

We know that the medical school education in so many countries must be good, because we often have Physicians trained overseas. My Primary care physician went to medical school in the UK and one specialist went to medical school in Iran. Past physicians have been trained in India as well.

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Post by TomatoTomahto » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:48 am

I think for procedures that have a short “run time,” e.g., coronary stents, joint replacement, LASIK, etc., going overseas is fine. I personally wouldn’t do it just to save a buck, but it could be fun to recuperate in a new environment and experiencing a new culture.

Otoh, IME, implants are a multi month (sometimes multi-year) process. In a worst case: First, there’s the tooth extraction. 3-6 months of healing. Sinus lift or bone graft. 3-6 months of healing. Implant placement. 3-6 months of healing. Placing the crowns, with frequent adjusting of the bite. Tbh, it’s bad enough when I have to drive to the appointment.

ETA: I’m always amazed at the ads for 1 day implants. Probably have offices right next to the attorney offering $149 divorces.

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Post by HongKonger » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:53 am

Malo clinics are international. Dr Malo is a respected implant pioneer.

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Post by digarei » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:31 pm

TomatoTomahto wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:48 am
I think for procedures that have a short “run time,” e.g., coronary stents, joint replacement, LASIK, etc., going overseas is fine. I personally wouldn’t do it just to save a buck, but it could be fun to recuperate in a new environment and experiencing a new culture.

Otoh, IME, implants are a multi month (sometimes multi-year) process. In a worst case: First, there’s the tooth extraction. 3-6 months of healing. Sinus lift or bone graft. 3-6 months of healing. Implant placement. 3-6 months of healing. Placing the crowns, with frequent adjusting of the bite. Tbh, it’s bad enough when I have to drive to the appointment.

ETA: I’m always amazed at the ads for 1 day implants. Probably have offices right next to the attorney offering $149 divorces.
You don’t specify the location where you’ve noted the advertisements for ‘1 day implants’—overseas? or where you live? Besides, this is a different procedure from the multi-stage process that would be indicated for more complex cases.

In my region, not withstanding some commentary that the area is a backwater hamlet embedded in California’s central valley (improbably close to San Francisco), a number of dental groups advertise ‘1 day implants’. Ten years ago, several area dentists were building their patient base with offers guaranteeing $75.00 implants (!) This marketing chicanery has fortunately diminished: now it appears that the minimum cost has inflated to $99.00 per tooth.

I wasn’t tempted by these prices. I paid many thousands. But I don’t think we can any longer draw neat distinctions between the dental work available in the United States vs. “overseas”.
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Post by digarei » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:42 pm

toofache32 wrote:Most won't touch them since the last dentist to touch anything owns the problems.
If true, this would be problematic even in the U.S. in cases where the practitioner had died or retired.
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Post by toofache32 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:29 pm

digarei wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:42 pm
toofache32 wrote:Most won't touch them since the last dentist to touch anything owns the problems.
If true, this would be problematic even in the U.S. in cases where the practitioner had died or retired.
Sorry I was referring to implants done overseas. There are so many "knock off" brands in other countries that appear on xray the same as what the US dentist uses. It's easy to get halfway through disassembling the crown/abutment/screw/implant construct and then find you don't have the parts to complete your goal. But the patient still expects the dentist to make them whole again. The dentist now owns the problem but the FDA will not allow the dentist to import the materials from another country. Not always the case though fortunately. Everyone knows what brand car they have but I doubt many people know what brand dental implant they have.

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Post by dbr » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:40 pm

I can't imagine getting dental implants from dentists I did not already know (or recommended and referred by the ones I know) and without easy recourse to follow up for whatever issues might develop now or much later.

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Post by YoungDentist » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:46 pm

I've spent a considerable amount of my time and money on educating myself and training in dental implantology. It is true that just because you have your surgery done in the USA it may not be done any better than another country. There is a ton of legislation currently in the courts that will soon allow implantology to be a speciality field in dentistry and thus allow the public to know who truly has done the proper training and education. Until that time comes, my suggestion would be to find a dentist who is credentialed with the AAID (American academy of implant dentistry) - find an associate fellow or fellow near your area. These dentists are truly passionate about implant dentistry and will give you the best care available.

On another note - you often times get what you pay for. I have had to fix numerous implants that have not been placed correctly. You will end up spending far more time, money, and energy if your implants are not placed correctly. Do your research, find a credentialed dentist, and get it done right.

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Post by Sandtrap » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:18 pm

YoungDentist wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:46 pm
I've spent a considerable amount of my time and money on educating myself and training in dental implantology. It is true that just because you have your surgery done in the USA it may not be done any better than another country. There is a ton of legislation currently in the courts that will soon allow implantology to be a speciality field in dentistry and thus allow the public to know who truly has done the proper training and education. Until that time comes, my suggestion would be to find a dentist who is credentialed with the AAID (American academy of implant dentistry) - find an associate fellow or fellow near your area. These dentists are truly passionate about implant dentistry and will give you the best care available.

On another note - you often times get what you pay for. I have had to fix numerous implants that have not been placed correctly. You will end up spending far more time, money, and energy if your implants are not placed correctly. Do your research, find a credentialed dentist, and get it done right.
I noticed that some dentists refer out to an oral surgeon for root canal and post implant.
Why?

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Post by toofache32 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:35 pm

Sandtrap wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:18 pm
YoungDentist wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:46 pm
I've spent a considerable amount of my time and money on educating myself and training in dental implantology. It is true that just because you have your surgery done in the USA it may not be done any better than another country. There is a ton of legislation currently in the courts that will soon allow implantology to be a speciality field in dentistry and thus allow the public to know who truly has done the proper training and education. Until that time comes, my suggestion would be to find a dentist who is credentialed with the AAID (American academy of implant dentistry) - find an associate fellow or fellow near your area. These dentists are truly passionate about implant dentistry and will give you the best care available.

On another note - you often times get what you pay for. I have had to fix numerous implants that have not been placed correctly. You will end up spending far more time, money, and energy if your implants are not placed correctly. Do your research, find a credentialed dentist, and get it done right.
I noticed that some dentists refer out to an oral surgeon for root canal and post implant.
Why?
Oral surgeons do not do root canals. But they do place implants. Periodontists also place implants. Anyone else is a general dentist without residency training. Oral surgery and Periodontics are the 2 dental specialties which have been recognized for over a decade as the experts in dental implantology. Board certification in these specialties requires a residency of 3+ years after dental school. Any other "credentials" are not the result of the same surgical residency. ALL clinicians spend considerable time and money on their education.

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Post by Sandtrap » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:46 pm

toofache32 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:35 pm
Sandtrap wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:18 pm
YoungDentist wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:46 pm
I've spent a considerable amount of my time and money on educating myself and training in dental implantology. It is true that just because you have your surgery done in the USA it may not be done any better than another country. There is a ton of legislation currently in the courts that will soon allow implantology to be a speciality field in dentistry and thus allow the public to know who truly has done the proper training and education. Until that time comes, my suggestion would be to find a dentist who is credentialed with the AAID (American academy of implant dentistry) - find an associate fellow or fellow near your area. These dentists are truly passionate about implant dentistry and will give you the best care available.

On another note - you often times get what you pay for. I have had to fix numerous implants that have not been placed correctly. You will end up spending far more time, money, and energy if your implants are not placed correctly. Do your research, find a credentialed dentist, and get it done right.
I noticed that some dentists refer out to an oral surgeon for root canal and post implant.
Why?
Oral surgeons do not do root canals. But they do place implants. Periodontists also place implants. Anyone else is a general dentist without residency training. Oral surgery and Periodontics are the 2 dental specialties which have been recognized for over a decade as the experts in dental implantology. Board certification in these specialties requires a residency of 3+ years after dental school. Any other "credentials" are not the result of the same surgical residency. ALL clinicians spend considerable time and money on their education.
Ok. Thanks.
I guess I was lucky. I had 3 root canals and implants done by an oral surgeon from Harvard Med. Procedure was smooth and quick. Results were outstanding.

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Post by toofache32 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:53 pm

Sandtrap wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:46 pm
toofache32 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:35 pm
Sandtrap wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:18 pm
YoungDentist wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:46 pm
I've spent a considerable amount of my time and money on educating myself and training in dental implantology. It is true that just because you have your surgery done in the USA it may not be done any better than another country. There is a ton of legislation currently in the courts that will soon allow implantology to be a speciality field in dentistry and thus allow the public to know who truly has done the proper training and education. Until that time comes, my suggestion would be to find a dentist who is credentialed with the AAID (American academy of implant dentistry) - find an associate fellow or fellow near your area. These dentists are truly passionate about implant dentistry and will give you the best care available.

On another note - you often times get what you pay for. I have had to fix numerous implants that have not been placed correctly. You will end up spending far more time, money, and energy if your implants are not placed correctly. Do your research, find a credentialed dentist, and get it done right.
I noticed that some dentists refer out to an oral surgeon for root canal and post implant.
Why?
Oral surgeons do not do root canals. But they do place implants. Periodontists also place implants. Anyone else is a general dentist without residency training. Oral surgery and Periodontics are the 2 dental specialties which have been recognized for over a decade as the experts in dental implantology. Board certification in these specialties requires a residency of 3+ years after dental school. Any other "credentials" are not the result of the same surgical residency. ALL clinicians spend considerable time and money on their education.
Ok. Thanks.
I guess I was lucky. I had 3 root canals and implants done by an oral surgeon from Harvard Med. Procedure was smooth and quick. Results were outstanding.
Someone pulled the wool over your eyes. A board certified oral & maxillofacial surgeon did NOT do you root canal if it was in the past 20 years. But there are multiple specialties and you are certainly not the first one to get confused. In fact, some dentists prey on this confusion. Not all implants are performed by oral surgeons and periodontists. And not all of them require such expertise. But I'm not sure patients know when extra expertise is valuable.

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Post by Calli114 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:15 pm

I just think it's too dicey to go abroad for dental implants, purely my opinion.
I have a general dentist, endodontist, and oral surgeon, unfortunately.
I had read that Hungary has excellent dentistry for expats, so I ran it by my dentist just out of curiousity- she said some of the worst dentistry she had seen was done in Europe. YMMV.

But with dental implants your jaw's ability to hold them, the bone density and so on, is so vital I'm not sure I would risk it. Perhaps if you were determined to get implants in Poland, you could have the bone density in your jaws assessed here to see if it's even practical?

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Post by dm200 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:24 am

Someone pulled the wool over your eyes. A board certified oral & maxillofacial surgeon did NOT do you root canal if it was in the past 20 years. But there are multiple specialties and you are certainly not the first one to get confused. In fact, some dentists prey on this confusion. Not all implants are performed by oral surgeons and periodontists. And not all of them require such expertise. But I'm not sure patients know when extra expertise is valuable.
Yes - this can get confusing. I once needed a root canal and crown (done by my regulat dentist) but first had to go to a specialit dentist to cut back the gum there before the regular dentist could do the work.

Some general dentists just choose to not do certain things that other general dentists do all the time. Over the years, I have had all four wisdom teeth removed. The first two were done (while I was in the US Navy) by a regular general dentist (pulled/chopped with Novacaine). The third one, later, pulled by a general dentist - and later the fourth one by an oral surgeon. I think the fourth one was a referral to an oran surgeon because the general dentist had chosen to no longer pull wisdom teeth (he was nearing retirement).

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Calli114 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:15 pm
I just think it's too dicey to go abroad for dental implants, purely my opinion.
I have a general dentist, endodontist, and oral surgeon, unfortunately.
I had read that Hungary has excellent dentistry for expats, so I ran it by my dentist just out of curiousity- she said some of the worst dentistry she had seen was done in Europe. YMMV.

But with dental implants your jaw's ability to hold them, the bone density and so on, is so vital I'm not sure I would risk it. Perhaps if you were determined to get implants in Poland, you could have the bone density in your jaws assessed here to see if it's even practical?

I have a general dentist, endodontist, and oral surgeon, unfortunately.

???

I have all of the above mentioned plus a periodontist... fortunately.

One of my dentists believes that some of the worst dentistry he has
seen was done ... by other dentists outside of his office (same city).

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Post by Bigbonds » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:14 pm

Calli114 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:15 pm
I just think it's too dicey to go abroad for dental implants, purely my opinion.
I have a general dentist, endodontist, and oral surgeon, unfortunately.
I had read that Hungary has excellent dentistry for expats, so I ran it by my dentist just out of curiousity- she said some of the worst dentistry she had seen was done in Europe. YMMV.

But with dental implants your jaw's ability to hold them, the bone density and so on, is so vital I'm not sure I would risk it. Perhaps if you were determined to get implants in Poland, you could have the bone density in your jaws assessed here to see if it's even practical?
Were you honestly expecting your dentist to say anything different?

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