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2018 Honda Accord

Post by Countermoon » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:59 pm

Has anyone else been reading the reviews of the '18 Accord and/or planning to buy one? In the first head to head I've found (Motor Trend), it really outclasses the new Camry in just about every category: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/ac ... on-review/

It's interesting that Honda has decided to go the upscale route on the Accord. The interior looks German-esque.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by jebmke » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:16 pm

We test drove the 2017 Accord (Hybrid) and 2017 Camry (Hybrid) back in June. The Accord had the most uncomfortable seats I have been in for quite some time. We didn't buy either -- decided to wait for 2018s -- but I could not imagine lasting more than a half hour in the Accord.
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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by yukonjack » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:42 pm

I have been following the release information fairly closely. I realize it’s quite early but am surprised at all the favorable reviews. About the only consistent negative is the front grill. Although one review said that it wasn’t as noticeable in person. It looks like the Accord with the smaller engine will be released next week and the larger engine model in mid November. I am quite interested in the larger engine model but am a little concerned about buying the first of a new model especially since there are so many changes with the 2018 Accord. However the specs are pretty impressive.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by hirlaw » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:24 pm

The Accord had the most uncomfortable seats I have been in for quite some time.
I have seen a lot of about the uncomfortable seats in the Accords. Is it hard or what?

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by jebmke » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:35 pm

hirlaw wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:24 pm
The Accord had the most uncomfortable seats I have been in for quite some time.
I have seen a lot of about the uncomfortable seats in the Accords. Is it hard or what?
I don't recall it being that hard. Something about the angle and lower back. I was so glad to get out of that car after a 15 minute test drive. One person's uncomfortable seat is another's dream seat though so who knows. My 2008 RAV4 seats are nothing to write home about - but I have gotten used to it. I don't drive long distances in that car.
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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by WhiteMaxima » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:46 pm

How is the 2018 Accord compared with theh outgoing 2017 Accord?
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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by sport » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:48 pm

Countermoon wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:59 pm
Has anyone else been reading the reviews of the '18 Accord and/or planning to buy one? In the first head to head I've found (Motor Trend), it really outclasses the new Camry in just about every category: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/ac ... on-review/

It's interesting that Honda has decided to go the upscale route on the Accord. The interior looks German-esque.
I find that I cannot view the article without subscribing.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by visualguy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:52 pm

No bird's eye parking cameras on the 2018 Accord. The 2018 Camry has them. I find this to be a very useful feature. Also, the Camry has a naturally aspirated V6 rather than a turbo 4-cylinder. I would take the V6.

In terms of seats, reviewers have complained that the seats in the 2018 Camry are too stiff and uncomfortable. I don't know about the Accord. In general, it's hard to find cars under $40K with really good seats...

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Herekittykitty » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:07 pm

visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:52 pm
....... In general, it's hard to find cars under $40K with really good seats...
Why? (This is a serious question. I really don't know.)
I don't know anything.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by kjvmartin » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:12 pm

Herekittykitty wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:07 pm
visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:52 pm
....... In general, it's hard to find cars under $40K with really good seats...
Why? (This is a serious question. I really don't know.)
Our ~$23k '15 CR-V has excellent seats compared to our $33k '18 Equinox.

Honda could do better in the Accord.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by visualguy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:17 pm

Herekittykitty wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:07 pm
visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:52 pm
....... In general, it's hard to find cars under $40K with really good seats...
Why? (This is a serious question. I really don't know.)
Cost, I would guess. Good seats aren't cheap, and manufacturers can't install expensive seats on cars at that price level. You start getting the really good seats only at the luxury mid-size class: BMW 5-series with multi-contour seats, Lexus GS, Audi A6 with the Comfort Seating Package, etc. Even the luxury makers don't put great seats in their lower-end cars.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by sunny_socal » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:12 pm

hirlaw wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:24 pm
The Accord had the most uncomfortable seats I have been in for quite some time.
I have seen a lot of about the uncomfortable seats in the Accords. Is it hard or what?
The headrest is angled very sharply and it is not adjustable.

I took mine off and bent the metal posts, problem solved. Some also flip it backwards but then it's not really providing the same measure of safety as before.

Volvo has the best seats in the industry IMO - comfortable, adjustable and safe.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by tj218 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:16 pm

sunny_socal wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:12 pm
hirlaw wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:24 pm
The Accord had the most uncomfortable seats I have been in for quite some time.
I have seen a lot of about the uncomfortable seats in the Accords. Is it hard or what?
The headrest is angled very sharply and it is not adjustable.

I took mine off and bent the metal posts, problem solved. Some also flip it backwards but then it's not really providing the same measure of safety as before.

Volvo has the best seats in the industry IMO - comfortable, adjustable and safe.
The headrest on the 2016 Camry was the absolute worst, love the 2016 Accord. Hopefully Honda isn't going that same route...

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by BanquetBeer » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:30 pm

visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:52 pm
No bird's eye parking cameras on the 2018 Accord. The 2018 Camry has them. I find this to be a very useful feature. Also, the Camry has a naturally aspirated V6 rather than a turbo 4-cylinder. I would take the V6.

In terms of seats, reviewers have complained that the seats in the 2018 Camry are too stiff and uncomfortable. I don't know about the Accord. In general, it's hard to find cars under $40K with really good seats...
Why the preference for NA V6? Everyone is going turbos these days for efficiency.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by samsoes » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:35 pm

jebmke wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:16 pm
We test drove the 2017 Accord (Hybrid) and 2017 Camry (Hybrid) back in June. The Accord had the most uncomfortable seats I have been in for quite some time. We didn't buy either -- decided to wait for 2018s -- but I could not imagine lasting more than a half hour in the Accord.
^ This.

Here's my Honda Accord seat story: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=224232&p=3468380#p3468380
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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by yukonjack » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:06 pm

BanquetBeer wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:30 pm
visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:52 pm
No bird's eye parking cameras on the 2018 Accord. The 2018 Camry has them. I find this to be a very useful feature. Also, the Camry has a naturally aspirated V6 rather than a turbo 4-cylinder. I would take the V6.

In terms of seats, reviewers have complained that the seats in the 2018 Camry are too stiff and uncomfortable. I don't know about the Accord. In general, it's hard to find cars under $40K with really good seats...
Why the preference for NA V6? Everyone is going turbos these days for efficiency.
The 2.0 liter engine puts out 252 hp so I’m not sure why one would miss the 6 cylinder. Also in reading 5 or 6 reviews gleaned from Google none of the reviewers mentioned uncomfortable seats.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by visualguy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:19 pm

yukonjack wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:06 pm
The 2.0 liter engine puts out 252 hp so I’m not sure why one would miss the 6 cylinder.
The Camry V6 is 301 HP. Also, I love the linear smooth response of naturally aspirated V6 engines. The driving experience of a 2L 4-cyl turbo isn't even close...

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by kjvmartin » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:25 pm

visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:19 pm
yukonjack wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:06 pm
The 2.0 liter engine puts out 252 hp so I’m not sure why one would miss the 6 cylinder.
The Camry V6 is 301 HP. Also, I love the linear smooth response of naturally aspirated V6 engines. The driving experience of a 2L 4-cyl turbo isn't even close...
Agree that these turbos are not a welcome change to the driving experience for most cars.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by visualguy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:34 pm

kjvmartin wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:25 pm
Agree that these turbos are not a welcome change to the driving experience for most cars.
There's also an impact on reliability with turbos.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Sandtrap » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:26 pm

sunny_socal wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:12 pm
hirlaw wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:24 pm
The Accord had the most uncomfortable seats I have been in for quite some time.
I have seen a lot of about the uncomfortable seats in the Accords. Is it hard or what?
The headrest is angled very sharply and it is not adjustable.

I took mine off and bent the metal posts, problem solved. Some also flip it backwards but then it's not really providing the same measure of safety as before.

Volvo has the best seats in the industry IMO - comfortable, adjustable and safe.
I don't know what it is with headrests on modern cars.

Why do they tilt forward so much?
Guarantees a neck ache every ride.

I also flipped them backwards and they are much better. (Toyota Tundra)

Is there some type of ergonomic crash dummy used to design car seats such that it fits no normal human spine? :oops:

Actionably: I'd go with the naturally aspirated Camry over the turbo Honda. Less to go wrong.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by squirm » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:32 pm

jebmke wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:16 pm
We test drove the 2017 Accord (Hybrid) and 2017 Camry (Hybrid) back in June. The Accord had the most uncomfortable seats I have been in for quite some time. We didn't buy either -- decided to wait for 2018s -- but I could not imagine lasting more than a half hour in the Accord.
We have the last gen Accord, the seats are uncomfortable for me, however a folded up towel that i sit on now, solved the issue.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by squirm » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:34 pm

Camry has that extremely goofy looking grill. Toyota seemed to go all weird with their designs, the Prius is hideous. What other model does Toyota plan on screwing up next?

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Post by squirm » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:38 pm

The four banger in our Accord does just fine, I never could figure out why someone needs 300HP, and get terrible gas milage. We do 75mph in the carpool just fine. Only thing I can think of is some people just tend to enjoy nailing up going up the grades by us, never played into that either.

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Post by Jack FFR1846 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:42 pm

It certainly looks much better on the outside compared to the '17, which looks like someone designed it by cutting 12 pictures of other car pieces, then taped them together. They do need to fire the guy with the ugly stick that keeps whacking the front end of all the Hondas and Acuras, seemingly trying to make them look as bad as Chevys from the last 10 years.
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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by emoore » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:07 pm

kjvmartin wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:25 pm
visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:19 pm
yukonjack wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:06 pm
The 2.0 liter engine puts out 252 hp so I’m not sure why one would miss the 6 cylinder.
The Camry V6 is 301 HP. Also, I love the linear smooth response of naturally aspirated V6 engines. The driving experience of a 2L 4-cyl turbo isn't even close...
Agree that these turbos are not a welcome change to the driving experience for most cars.
Doesn’t matter. Turbos are just a stepping stone to plug in hybrids and then all electric. I hope you like all electric driving because that’s where we are heading.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by visualguy » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:05 pm

All-electric is fine - definitely looking forward to that! Turbo 4-cyl has nothing to do with that, and I would definitely go with a V6 instead of the turbo 4-cyl for the driving experience and reliability. The Camry V6 is proven to be highly reliable, and the fuel consumption is great at 22/32/26. The real-world consumption of turbo 4-cyl engines actually tends to be worse than that of frugal naturally aspirated 6-cylinder engines like the Toyota V6. The EPA cycle isn't really tailored for turbo cars, so it's a bit misleading. Kudos to Toyota for sticking with the V6.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Alexa9 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 am

The Accord beats the Camry with infotainment: Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Probably no need to get Navi.

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Post by lthenderson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:33 am

visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:52 pm
In general, it's hard to find cars under $40K with really good seats...
I have never owned a car that cost more than $40k and have never had a complaint about seat comfort-ability. Maybe I should sit in an expensive car and find out what I'm missing. Then again, perhaps it is better (and cheaper) to not know.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by monkey_business » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:58 am

In terms of daily power, keep in mind that the new Honda 2.0L turbo engine in the 2018 Accord makes 272lb-ft of torque at 1500rpm. The previous Accord V6 made 20lb-ft less torque (252lb-ft), and at 4900rpm. While I have not driven the new 2.0L engine, I would imagine it provides a far more useful power band for everyday driving.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by visualguy » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:21 am

Alexa9 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 am
The Accord beats the Camry with infotainment: Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Probably no need to get Navi.
Yes, but I wish Honda didn't omit the bird's view parking cameras. I use that pretty much every time I park - very useful. I don't know why they included pretty much everything you can think of other than that... Toyota has it in the 2018 Camry.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by clutchied » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:55 am

very cool! You can get the bigger 2.0 turbo w/ a 6spd manual! Nice!

the turbo 4 puts out as much power as my 3.0 330i. I'd be curious how different the driving characteristics are.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Alexa9 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:14 am

visualguy wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:21 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 am
The Accord beats the Camry with infotainment: Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Probably no need to get Navi.
Yes, but I wish Honda didn't omit the bird's view parking cameras. I use that pretty much every time I park - very useful. I don't know why they included pretty much everything you can think of other than that... Toyota has it in the 2018 Camry.
I like that feature too but we did fine for many years without it. Relying on cameras and these new safety features is kind of a crutch for lazy/bad/distracted driving IMO.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by visualguy » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:25 am

Alexa9 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:14 am
visualguy wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:21 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 am
The Accord beats the Camry with infotainment: Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Probably no need to get Navi.
Yes, but I wish Honda didn't omit the bird's view parking cameras. I use that pretty much every time I park - very useful. I don't know why they included pretty much everything you can think of other than that... Toyota has it in the 2018 Camry.
I like that feature too but we did fine for many years without it. Relying on cameras and these new safety features is kind of a crutch for lazy/bad/distracted driving IMO.
Not with parking... It makes it so much easier to avoid curbing the wheels, scraping the front, aligning between lines, etc. Yes, we got along without it for many years, but with more damage and more hassle. Honda should have really put that in. Maybe they'll add it in a future model year - they probably didn't expect Toyota to include it in the Camry, and they'll have to do something about it to stay competitive.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by dbr » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:39 am

Alexa9 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:14 am
visualguy wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:21 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 am
The Accord beats the Camry with infotainment: Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Probably no need to get Navi.
Yes, but I wish Honda didn't omit the bird's view parking cameras. I use that pretty much every time I park - very useful. I don't know why they included pretty much everything you can think of other than that... Toyota has it in the 2018 Camry.
I like that feature too but we did fine for many years without it. Relying on cameras and these new safety features is kind of a crutch for lazy/bad/distracted driving IMO.
Better ways of doing things are not crutches. An objective proof that driver aids might backfire to reduce safety and security is another matter if such a proof exists. Anecdotes to the effect that one person doesn't have a problem because he/she has superior driving skills and someone else has a problem because they are an idiot don't count. That does not mean effective driver education is not justified.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by thangngo » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:46 am

dbr wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:39 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:14 am
visualguy wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:21 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 am
The Accord beats the Camry with infotainment: Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Probably no need to get Navi.
Yes, but I wish Honda didn't omit the bird's view parking cameras. I use that pretty much every time I park - very useful. I don't know why they included pretty much everything you can think of other than that... Toyota has it in the 2018 Camry.
I like that feature too but we did fine for many years without it. Relying on cameras and these new safety features is kind of a crutch for lazy/bad/distracted driving IMO.
Better ways of doing things are not crutches. An objective proof that driver aids might backfire to reduce safety and security is another matter if such a proof exists. Anecdotes to the effect that one person doesn't have a problem because he/she has superior driving skills and someone else has a problem because they are an idiot don't count. That does not mean effective driver education is not justified.
The argument still stands when without a camera, person A can park and person B can't. Person B is better off paying for new car that have fancy camera. Person A does not have to pay. It's not a better way of doing things. It's a better way for person B but he has to pay for it. Guess how much person A can save? The money he does not have to pay for new car.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by HeadHunter » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:36 pm

Motor Trend give the win to the Accord... http://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/ac ... on-review/

"Holistically, though, there’s no comparison. The Accord is more comfortable, spacious, and luxurious than the Camry. It’s quieter, rides and handles better, and drives more elegantly. It offers superior technology with a more user-friendly interface. Simply put, Toyota built a better Camry, but Honda built a better car."

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by WhiteMaxima » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:45 pm

2.0L turbo should be capable. Even Audi Q5 SUV has a 2.0L tsi engine considering the weight and AWD system. Style depend on person. I would think even 1.5L turbo is good enough for the FWD Accord considering the weight savings. My only dislike is the price increase. Actually, the new Civic doesn't look too bad for me. 1.5L turbo, 6MT hatch back looks cool.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Alexa9 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:11 pm

dbr wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:39 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:14 am
visualguy wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:21 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 am
The Accord beats the Camry with infotainment: Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Probably no need to get Navi.
Yes, but I wish Honda didn't omit the bird's view parking cameras. I use that pretty much every time I park - very useful. I don't know why they included pretty much everything you can think of other than that... Toyota has it in the 2018 Camry.
I like that feature too but we did fine for many years without it. Relying on cameras and these new safety features is kind of a crutch for lazy/bad/distracted driving IMO.
Better ways of doing things are not crutches. An objective proof that driver aids might backfire to reduce safety and security is another matter if such a proof exists. Anecdotes to the effect that one person doesn't have a problem because he/she has superior driving skills and someone else has a problem because they are an idiot don't count. That does not mean effective driver education is not justified.
I think they are good features but they actually make some people worse drivers because they rely on the features instead of using their driving skills like checking mirrors and knowing how to parallel park. If you can't parallel park a small sedan, I've got some bad news for you. How hard is it to check your blind spot on the freeway? Do we really need blind spot monitors? Oh I have collision mitigation so I don't need to look out for deer on the road. I also don't know how much I trust these features as they are brand new. What if I need to dodge a pothole and the road departure/lane keep assist wants to steer me right into it? I'd rather have complete control of the car and fortunately you can turn these nanny features off.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by ElJay » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:25 pm

visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:19 pm
The Camry V6 is 301 HP. Also, I love the linear smooth response of naturally aspirated V6 engines. The driving experience of a 2L 4-cyl turbo isn't even close...
Have you driven a 2.0t lately? I have an NA I6 in my 3-Series and the I4 turbo in the current 330 blows it away in all ways except engine noise.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Angelus359 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:19 am

visualguy wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:05 pm
All-electric is fine - definitely looking forward to that! Turbo 4-cyl has nothing to do with that, and I would definitely go with a V6 instead of the turbo 4-cyl for the driving experience and reliability. The Camry V6 is proven to be highly reliable, and the fuel consumption is great at 22/32/26. The real-world consumption of turbo 4-cyl engines actually tends to be worse than that of frugal naturally aspirated 6-cylinder engines like the Toyota V6. The EPA cycle isn't really tailored for turbo cars, so it's a bit misleading. Kudos to Toyota for sticking with the V6.
My Prius has something to say about 22/32/26 being great fuel consumption

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by sschoe2 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:49 am

Honda has a bad history with uncomfortable seats.

It is a problem on some of the Fits as well. My 09 is terrible. I've never had a car that was quite literally a pain in the butt. Keep in mind I am an avid road cyclist who rides 100 miles on racing saddles without discomfort. After an hour or so it causes discomfort around my sit bones. Others have also reported the problem and have gone so far to replace the seats with compatable civic seats, putting washers on the front bolts to tilt is down towards the back...

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Countermoon » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:49 am

squirm wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:34 pm
Camry has that extremely goofy looking grill. Toyota seemed to go all weird with their designs, the Prius is hideous. What other model does Toyota plan on screwing up next?
Having seen the new Camry in person, I have to agree on the grill. But the honeycomb grill that comes on the SE and XSE looks much better:

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by ragabnh » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:23 am

Why does the Accord crowd always aim at the Camry and try to put it down, both cars are great and selling very well for their respective companies.
I owned both brands and I would say that Toyota holds better in the very long run 10 years +

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Mudpuppy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:05 pm

visualguy wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:25 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:14 am
visualguy wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:21 am
Alexa9 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 am
The Accord beats the Camry with infotainment: Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Probably no need to get Navi.
Yes, but I wish Honda didn't omit the bird's view parking cameras. I use that pretty much every time I park - very useful. I don't know why they included pretty much everything you can think of other than that... Toyota has it in the 2018 Camry.
I like that feature too but we did fine for many years without it. Relying on cameras and these new safety features is kind of a crutch for lazy/bad/distracted driving IMO.
Not with parking... It makes it so much easier to avoid curbing the wheels, scraping the front, aligning between lines, etc. Yes, we got along without it for many years, but with more damage and more hassle. Honda should have really put that in. Maybe they'll add it in a future model year - they probably didn't expect Toyota to include it in the Camry, and they'll have to do something about it to stay competitive.
Back into your parking spaces then. The backup camera on the Accord is really great for this, particularly for someone who has never done this before. The camera curves the on-screen lines to match the angle of your wheels, so you can see exactly what arc your current wheel angle will take into the parking space. That also lets you know if you're at the wrong angle (say one that would take you into a curb). The rental Camry I had while my Accord was in the shop did not have this feature. The backup lines always remained straight, regardless of where the wheels were angled.

Backing into parking spaces is also safer. You have a much better field of vision when leaving the space and you don't have to rely on technology to get out of the space safely. The only time I park nose-in is for lots which have angled parking spaces and only one-way traffic down that aisle, and I dislike it every time.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by dbr » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:14 pm

Mudpuppy wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:05 pm

Backing into parking spaces is also safer. You have a much better field of vision when leaving the space and you don't have to rely on technology to get out of the space safely. The only time I park nose-in is for lots which have angled parking spaces and only one-way traffic down that aisle, and I dislike it every time.
No argument with backing into parking spaces if one wants, but a huge benefit of back up warning systems is just precisely assistance with backing out. The system on my car warns me of cross traffic I can't see when backing out in a lot or garage. It also warns of people walking around behind me, especially useful in the dark. The impetus for putting back-up camera systems on cars is first of all to stop people from running over small children in back up accidents.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Mudpuppy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:15 pm

jebmke wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:16 pm
We test drove the 2017 Accord (Hybrid) and 2017 Camry (Hybrid) back in June. The Accord had the most uncomfortable seats I have been in for quite some time. We didn't buy either -- decided to wait for 2018s -- but I could not imagine lasting more than a half hour in the Accord.
I would agree that the Camry seat was more comfortable, and also easier to adjust. When I had the rental Camry, the seat "fit" with less fuss than my Accord. For daily driving, my Accord seat doesn't bother me much though. It's long-distance driving where the angle of the headrest pushes me into muscle complaints, although I always feel it in my front lower ribs, not my back. The line of muscles along the base of the rib cage start aching or twitching after a long drive.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by HeadHunter » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:41 pm

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/ac ... on-review/

Accord wins another round this time against the new V6 Camry. Ride and handling are better which is far more important to most than 0-60 but it edges a win there too.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by rgs92 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:17 pm

Be careful of the comfort factor in the Accord and Camry. Take a good, long test drive to make sure you like it (or at least can deal with it).
The driving position can be confining and awkward, especially after a half hour or so.

The car companies load cars up with electronic features and then shortchange you mightily on front seats and spaciousness.

It helps if you are under 5 foot 5 and under 140 pounds.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by visualguy » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:23 pm

Good seats are expensive, so cost cutting is common there. The least expensive sedan that I know with comfortable seats is the Acura TLX.

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Re: 2018 Honda Accord

Post by Dead Man Walking » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:57 pm

Are the seats receiving the complaints manually adjusted seats? The power seat in my 2007 Accord is comfortable when adjusted to the driver. Since I have back ailments, I often readjust the seat several times during a long drive. The power seat in my 2014 CR-V is better than the Accord and was better than the seats in comparable cars that I test drove when I bought it.

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