The two posts above me just take things Tesla says at face value as if a fact. The complete opposite position should be taken IMO. Otherwise we would have self driving Teslas by now, mass production of solar shingles, 20K plus a month Model 3 production, multiple factories in China, etc. So, for instance, the 5k figure that all of a sudden became "factory gated." TSLA claimed they always used it but people couldn't find it in any offical docs. Here is Charley Grant from the WSJ for instance.
Regarding incentives:Can someone point me to this term? Never seen it in a quarterly delivery announcement filed with the SEC (Tesla started reporting quarterly deliveries in 2015).
I'm working from memory here but don't the incentives get cut in half each quarter or something like that after 200k? So they hit 200K in Q3. If the 35K model comes out in Q4 next year or later will there be any Federal incentives? That was the point I was trying to make. The incentives are a carrot to a lower price and the longer the 35K version is delayed the lower they go until zero or near zero.
We all know how accurate Musk has been with Model 3 production. The evidence on them being way late is on my side not yours.
For instance, 20k/month by Q42017. LOL.
https://mashable.com/2017/10/03/tesla-m ... _5Um2H2mqi
There is a twitter account (skabooshka) that has been very accurate on Model 3 production. Local person who monitors the Freemont factory. He has Tesla at 2303 Model 3s through the first 9 days of July...On Monday, Tesla reported it has produced just 260 Tesla Model 3 cars, its first mass-market all-electric sedan, in the last quarter. That’s approximately 120 cars a month, a number that would be less distressing if Musk himself hadn’t predicted producing as many as 20,000 Model 3 cars a month by December of this year.
How about that China factory news yesterday or day before? Upthread someone else brought it up as exciting new news about to be annouced. Well that same story was told in 2015, 2016, 2017. There is no factory. IF this one is true it will be 4-5 years before active. That is how long it took Geely and they are a Chinese company. Of course Tesla says 2 years or something like that.
Tesla China 10/23/2015
Tesla may build cars in China within the next two years
https://www.engadget.com/2015/10/23/tes ... o-factory/
Tesla China 6/24/2016
Tesla signs $9 billion agreement to build factory in China, report says
https://mashable.com/2016/06/24/tesla-f ... qNmUcdmaqU
All of this is quite relevant to the viability of Tesla IMO. I could go down the quality path. The forums and twitter is littered with people complaining about the delivery of the car, it breaking within days, general quality problems, etc. I'm sure someone is thinking to themselves that car forums often have that. The difference is this is within days of delivery if not delivery day itself. I figured that would be too much though. Trying to be sensitive.
However I suggest prospective Model 3 buyers check out what is happening in Norway. An early adopter of EV and a big Tesla market relative to population. Tesla's third largest market actually which is amazing. They are having enormous repair and service issues. Musk acknowledged it and blamed the government. Well he lied.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKBN1JZ1L5
Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk last week blamed a wait for government approval in Norway, its biggest market after the United States and China, for not being able to move faster in addressing growing complaints from consumers.
The Norwegian Consumer Council said on July 4 Tesla had climbed to fourth place in the first six months of 2018 in the list of companies Norwegians complain about the most, up from 24th in 2017.
Musk tweeted in response: “Norwegians are right to be upset with Tesla. We are having trouble expanding our service facilities in Oslo especially. Can solve quickly with Tesla mobile service vans, but awaiting govt permission to do so.”
But Norway’s public roads authority said it had not yet seen a formal application from the company.
Many things go into the decision to buy (not lease) an expensive car. Reliability and service are key issues IMO.