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A few posters have mentioned the Volvo seats. They are quite good but Mercedes and BMW multi-contour seats are much better than the current gen of Volvo seats. The Volvo’s feel like they are constructed from 2 or 3 sections. The multi contour options from BMW and Mercedes are properly shaped to match the curve of your spine and don’t have the lumpy feeling of the Volvo. They feel like a single continuous seat whereas the Volvo feels like it’s multiple components connected together. Sorry I can’t describe it better.

Nissan zero gravity seats are also spectacular but the cars themselves are not inspiring. I recently rented a Chevy cruze which had great seats

OP, I have owned an older accord and my girlfriend has a 2006. I found the 2018 to be a big improvement and very comfortable compared to the older ones, but my impression of the older Accord seats is same as what you mention. The back curves in a way that there’s too much lumbar support and creates a pressure point in the lower back and prevents your shoulders from touching the top half of the seat. The back also curves outwards to the sides of the car so you feel supported in the center of your body but not the sides or upper body. Side bolsters aren’t aggressive enough so it’s really just the lower center portion of your back touching the back of the seat in the accord.

I also had a TSX and found it to be better than the accord but the lumbar didn’t have a vertical adjustment t so it was never quite right but better than most cars

I absolutely love the accord and I used to be able to tolerate the seats, but I’ve got a back injury now and had to go with BMW multi contour. It has worked well for me.
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I just sold my Accord to carmax and got a used Hyundai santa Fe sport. Best decision for my 2 hour daily commute. My back doesn't hurt anymore.
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I Googled, "Honda Accord 2018 seats hurt my back" and this post is #1 in the Google Search results. After reading this I could 100% post Your words as Mine!!!

I took my first long trip (1.5 hours one way) and my lower back aches TERRIBLY. The entire ride home I had the same thoughts as you - how terrible it would be to have to try to sell a car with 677 miles, and 4 days old.

SO DISAPPOINTED.

Apologies for posting this before reading the other comments - going back now to read the other comments.
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sharpjm wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:05 pm
Taylor Larimore wrote:Bogleheads:

First time Boglehead posters bashing a non-financial product may be real but good investors are skeptical. This article will help spot impostors:

10 Savvy Ways You Can Spot Fake Reviews

Best wishes.
Taylor
+1. The original post reads (to me) as very overly dramatic and has so many cliche comments it is beyond obvious. I can't imagine a fit, in-shape person with no prior back problem history having back problems in any vehicle with so many seat adjustment controls.
WOW - I joined this forum because my Google search for Honda Accord Seat hurts my back turned up this thread as the first search result. I can assure you that it is the car and not the driver, as my experience is exactly the same - so much so that I'm also considering returning (at a loss) a car that is 4 days old with only 677 miles on it.

Who knows if I would have stuck around in this forum to learn more about smart investing (something I am also interested in), but these two comments have SERIOUSLY turned me off. Is this how new posters are often treated here?
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protagonist wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:33 pm A lot of complaints but mostly just very expensive solutions....eg: selling the car at a loss.

For those who paid $30K for the car and otherwise love it, there must be less draconian and simpler solutions to an uncomfortable seat.

Bending the headrests was suggested- that might be worth trying.

How about a particular seat cushion or lumbar support? If there is one that people found helpful, it would probably be an under-$100 investment that sure beats selling the car. Especially if the problem isn't so much with Honda as with the fact that we are getting older.

There may be other similar suggestions above , but since I don't own an Accord I am not compelled to carefully review 90 posts.

It would be helpful to just refer people to a particular product that they have found to successfully solve the problem with minimal expense or hassle. Just an idea......
This is what I decided to do. Purchased these two items (lumbar and coccyx support), and hopefully this will solve the problem.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MZ ... UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H5 ... UTF8&psc=1
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dogtrainer wrote: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:37 am Who knows if I would have stuck around in this forum to learn more about smart investing (something I am also interested in), but these two comments have SERIOUSLY turned me off. Is this how new posters are often treated here?
Welcome to the forum dogtrainer. Strangely enough, it is often in car posts (and private college threads) that responses get nasty (I’m in self-imposed exile from Tesla threads). Mostly people are civil here, and the mods help keep it that way. Most investing and personal finance threads are civil.

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dogtrainer wrote: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:37 am
sharpjm wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:05 pm
Taylor Larimore wrote:Bogleheads:

First time Boglehead posters bashing a non-financial product may be real but good investors are skeptical. This article will help spot impostors:

10 Savvy Ways You Can Spot Fake Reviews

Best wishes.
Taylor
+1. The original post reads (to me) as very overly dramatic and has so many cliche comments it is beyond obvious. I can't imagine a fit, in-shape person with no prior back problem history having back problems in any vehicle with so many seat adjustment controls.
WOW - I joined this forum because my Google search for Honda Accord Seat hurts my back turned up this thread as the first search result. I can assure you that it is the car and not the driver, as my experience is exactly the same - so much so that I'm also considering returning (at a loss) a car that is 4 days old with only 677 miles on it.

Who knows if I would have stuck around in this forum to learn more about smart investing (something I am also interested in), but these two comments have SERIOUSLY turned me off. Is this how new posters are often treated here?
Well I believe you. My SO is healthy and in great shape and has considered trading in a new Honda Accord because of the awful seats. Cynical posts and rush to judgement unfortunately happen, but the forum is reasonably fair and reasonably analytical overall.
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dogtrainer wrote: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:37 am
sharpjm wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:05 pm
Taylor Larimore wrote:Bogleheads:

First time Boglehead posters bashing a non-financial product may be real but good investors are skeptical. This article will help spot impostors:

10 Savvy Ways You Can Spot Fake Reviews

Best wishes.
Taylor
+1. The original post reads (to me) as very overly dramatic and has so many cliche comments it is beyond obvious. I can't imagine a fit, in-shape person with no prior back problem history having back problems in any vehicle with so many seat adjustment controls.
WOW - I joined this forum because my Google search for Honda Accord Seat hurts my back turned up this thread as the first search result. I can assure you that it is the car and not the driver, as my experience is exactly the same - so much so that I'm also considering returning (at a loss) a car that is 4 days old with only 677 miles on it.

Who knows if I would have stuck around in this forum to learn more about smart investing (something I am also interested in), but these two comments have SERIOUSLY turned me off. Is this how new posters are often treated here?
People have a very hard time not separating their personal experiences from other peoples.See the discussion of first class seats. Half the posters say they are crippled for a week if they fly cargo class. The rest think those people are nuts for spending 100s/hr and are vastly exaggerating their issues.

I never had any pain from seats in any car other than my Honda. Maybe it that I am older now than when I used to drive around in a Cavalier. Or maybe it is a seat that for whatever reason a decent segment of the population finds uncomfortable. I personally just find it annoying (i.e. my back is sore after 2 hour drives for a couple hours) and not crippling but there are dozens of threads about people having with simiiar complaints. Bogleheads just happens to have a bigger readership than the car specific sites.

At one level the big question is how to avoid this issue when you buy your next car. You pretty much need to find a way to drive around for a couple of hours to see how you feel. Pretty much everything else making a guess. How a seat feels over say 20 mins doesn't have a ton to do with how it feels over say 3 hours.
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F150HD wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:55 pm Read somewhere that Honda and Saturn were collaborating to make a new vehicle.

They were going to combine the Honda Accord and the Saturn Ion to make a car called the Accordion.

They thought it might appeal to the somewhat elderly polka crowd.
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This might have been funny a decade ago before Saturn went out of business. :P
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Taylor Larimore wrote:Bogleheads:

First time Boglehead posters bashing a non-financial product may be real but good investors are skeptical. This article will help spot impostors:

10 Savvy Ways You Can Spot Fake Reviews

Best wishes.
Taylor

I find this website very useful for evaluating reviews : https://www.fakespot.com/

I have no idea how good their algorithm is, but I imagine it is far superior to anything subjective. I use it whenever I buy things online from the sites it covers. I wish it could be used on all sites.
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lazydavid wrote: Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:59 am
F150HD wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:55 pm Read somewhere that Honda and Saturn were collaborating to make a new vehicle.

They were going to combine the Honda Accord and the Saturn Ion to make a car called the Accordion.

They thought it might appeal to the somewhat elderly polka crowd.
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This might have been funny a decade ago before Saturn went out of business. :P
yea I didn't get much mileage w/ that joke unfortunately!
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I just begrudgingly lost $4500 on my 2019 Honda Accord Hybrid EX, but was out of options.

3112 miles. Visit to GP and 2 specialists. Nothing wrong with me physically. Great! Various cushions. My right leg would not tolerate it for any longer than 10 minutes. Every work week I would get more sore throughout the week. Over the weekend, driving our minivan or nothing at all, I would start to recover until Monday when it started again.

My general thought is this: I'm fairly thin (bony) and the seat cushion lacks support. I'm also fairly tall and the angle for my leg while driving or during cruise control is very unnatural. Between those factors, my thigh, knee, ankle, and foot would not adjust. I varied my hour commute between pressure points, tingly sensations, and various contortions.

The lesson: Don't think just because you drove a compact car before that you will adjust to a different midsize car. If there's a hint of discomfort on a test drive, do not purchase.

I just bought a crossover SUV I would not have normally chosen, but losing $4500 constrained my budget and at least I'll be comfortable now.
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I totally agree. Love my accord except for the stupid seat. It's comfy to me for the test drive but I hate it for longer trips.
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Try an inexpensive back brace/lumbar support, along the lines of this example: https://www.amazon.com/Cotill-Lumbar-St ... B01M8PTXSA

Suggestion based on personal experience, with a similar but not identical support brace. Yes, you shouldn't have to use one, but hey...it works.
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Test drove the Honda HRV and my back starting hurting within a block - the Civic wasn't that much better. Ended up buying the RAV4 LE (bucket seats) and I can drive for hours with no problem.
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We purchased a 2019 Accord Touring after reading about seat complaints because we liked other aspects of the car. The first few days I adjusted the seats. Two months later and no adjustments and I could not be happier. My wife agrees. There is so much adjusting you can do with the controls I had a hard time believing I couldn’t find a happy place.
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Thought I had posted this earlier, but I must have screwed up.

I own an Accord EX-L. I’ve had 3 back surgeries including a fusion. Just completed a 2400 mile trip from SoCal to Denver and back, for the second time in a year. My wife and I find the seats to be extremely comfortable, so much so that we’re planning another such trip next year. The seats are very adjustable, and I can’t figure how they could seem uncomfortable, but we’re all different, I guess. If you haven’t driven the car, I wouldn’t be too quick to conclude the seats are hopeless. Good luck to everyone in their choices and decisions!🙏🤔
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penumbra wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:44 pm Thought I had posted this earlier, but I must have screwed up.

I own an Accord EX-L. I’ve had 3 back surgeries including a fusion. Just completed a 2400 mile trip from SoCal to Denver and back, for the second time in a year. My wife and I find the seats to be extremely comfortable, so much so that we’re planning another such trip next year. The seats are very adjustable, and I can’t figure how they could seem uncomfortable, but we’re all different, I guess. If you haven’t driven the car, I wouldn’t be too quick to conclude the seats are hopeless. Good luck to everyone in their choices and decisions!🙏🤔
What year?
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Sorry. 2016. 👍
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I have to agree with Oldsport and several others. I leased a 2019 Honda Civic EXL on July 20th ... so I do have the 8 way adjustable seats, etc. and have been in pain just about the entire time. It didn't start until driving it a couple days and I haven't taken any long trips...just 20 minutes at a time. I have been back to the dealership a few times and they don't seem to offer much but another Honda which I am not comfortable with. I'm in physical therapy now for my back because I am hoping to find some relief. I have been thru 8 varying car support cushions from Amazon and just ordered 6 more yesterday. What was supposed to be an enjoyable experience has turned into a total night mare. I traded in my VW Jetta which they gave me $4K for so that is lost. I am going to call Honda customer service and see if I can get out of this lease. Every company offers warrantees on their products and takes returns, etc.....I would think on such an expensive item Honda should be able to do something for me. I identified the problem with them early on. I just can't take the pain anymore. I am and have always been very fit. This back pain is definitely from the car. I literally have no life. My evenings are spent stretching and icing my back. I've been turning down invitations to do anything that requires driving. I can assure you this is not a fake complaint.
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I bought my Hyundai Elantra Limited, partly because the seats seemed more comfortable than the Accord seats in a test drive.
Still I find them pretty uncomfortable for long rides.
My daughter just bought a CR-V. I rode in it once and the seats seemed better than both of the above. But that was only after one short ride, so I could be wrong.
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I guess I’m lucky so far. Bought an Accord LX 2019 a few weeks ago. Drive it about 90 miles a day for work. So far so good with my back.
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Started looking for new vehicle a year ago ... couldn't believe how uncomfortable the car seats were (especially Hondas) ... realized I'd have to get "bucket" seats (which meant an SUV). Ended up getting RAV4 LE ($26,000) that has bucket seats - driver seat is very comfortable (I can drive for hours with no problem) - but "passenger" front seat is hard and not that comfortable - so they look identical but they're not (think this was mentioned in one of the reviews).
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Worst seats I’ve experienced was in a 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid. Ford used a lighter density foam in the hybrid edition that didn’t last me 50,000 miles. It was painful to my left leg while driving. I sold that car two years later because I just couldn’t stand driving it anymore. Went with a Volvo, because they have the best seats in the auto industry. Best decision I ever made was to dump that car after only two years.
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I'm curious did you ever find a work around for the Honda Accord seats?

My father recently died and left me his 2017 Honda Accord I've cleaned it up got a beautiful vanity plate that says THX POP
It had 31,000 mi when I got it I've put around 8,000 mi already and yes the seats are uncomfortable I'm trying to love the car I want to This is the best gift that anyone could give me despite the situation but I'm having trouble falling in love with it.

I wonder if I went in and asked to buy a 2019 seat if they are in fact better if that could happen? I think it would work the money and considering I don't have a car payment I really can't complain at the cost. Thanks

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Kgabby wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:45 am I wonder if I went in and asked to buy a 2019 seat if they are in fact better if that could happen? I think it would work the money and considering I don't have a car payment I really can't complain at the cost. Thanks
I don't think the 2019 seats will be appreciably different. But if you're ok with that kind of cost, why not go to an auto upholstery/custom shop and have them re-foam your existing seats to your liking?
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Didn't even consider that I will definitely look into it.
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I inherited my dad's 2017 Honda Accord It had 30,000 miles on it at the time I've now put 11,000 miles on it and my low back is killing me I've bought a gel seat to put on top of it nothing seems to be working. Has anyone found a workaround I keep saying I'm going to go to Honda to see if I can buy another car seat but what if I went and end up in the same position.
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Kgabby wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:21 pm I inherited my dad's 2017 Honda Accord It had 30,000 miles on it at the time I've now put 11,000 miles on it and my low back is killing me I've bought a gel seat to put on top of it nothing seems to be working. Has anyone found a workaround I keep saying I'm going to go to Honda to see if I can buy another car seat but what if I went and end up in the same position.
Yes, I bent the posts on the headrest so it's straight. And then I adjusted the seat to full height. Sits a bit more like a truck now.
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My experience is very old, but maybe instructive. I bought a 2001 Honda Accord. Almost immediately my back was killing me after even short commutes (1/2 hour). I solved the problem by giving the car to my son, who kept it for a number of years. Then he gave it back to me. Here's the odd part, the car no longer hurt my back and I drove it for a few more years. I have no idea what changed. After reading the responses here, I think the "seat got softer" theory might be correct.

I had a friend in his 60's who bought nothing but Dodge minivans. I teased him for having a "soccer Mom" car. He explained to me that it was just the most comfortable car he'd ever owned. I think there is something to cars, vans and SUB's that you sit up in, more like a chair, that is more comfortable for older drivers. My Accord was quite low, and your legs extended almost straight out front rather than down like a chair.

I currently drive a 2004 CR-V (185,000 miles) which doesn't hurt my back, and reading this thread has me scared to death to buy a new car! But for sure (for a number of reasons) I'll be buying one with a more upright seating position.
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I saw this thread a few months ago when I was actively looking for a 2019 Accord, ended up getting one and it was definitely a change from my Acura TSX I replaced. It took a week or two before I found a good position in the seat but now I'm very comfortable. The seats are highly adjustable so it was just a matter of time before I found the right spot. Just wanted to post my experience for those who might be unsure about this vehicle like I was based on this thread...
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We have a 2006 Accord EXL with only 51k miles on it. We inherited it from my wife's father and it is only used as a spare car. We’ve owned many Hondas and found they're alright if you are young, but extremely uncomfortable when you become a senior. All their cars are too low to get in and out of as a start. The seats are too close to the floor and your legs are stretched out. It hurts my back and legs. Honda also makes their seats without much bolstering and a bit on the wide side. Lumbar is adjustable in ours, but it’s useless. We also own a VW Tiguan with seats that are like sitting on a kitchen chair as far as its basic position is concerned, but they are more formed for your body and have much better support. Luckily, the passenger side is 12 way power also and the passenger is as comfy as the driver. I’m 5’9” and my wife is 5’2” and we both agree the a Honda is uncomfortable and the VW is great for long drives. If you have a problematic back or if you are older, it may make sense to get an SUV. Of course, all of this is subjective, but it works for us.
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Man, I totally sympathize. Bought an Accord Hybrid in 2014. Seat felt good on the test drive but after a few
Months of ownership, found that every extended drive (over 30 minutes) in the car triggered my sciatica. The Boglehead cheapskate that I am, I tried everything over the next several years-cushions, seat covers, upholstery shops. Anything to not take the depreciation hit. Despite it performing well and reliably otherwise, nothing helped I grew to despise the car. Last year I finally threw the towel in and bought a new car with good seats and I can’t tell you what a difference it has made in my life and general well being. I did give up the sciatica machine over to my daughter who was going off to college so the car is still in the family.

The car I ended up buying is one that we rented for a week in Hawaii by the way whose seats I adored (VW Passat), not a make and model that Consumer Reports would recommend but what do they know about my back issues? Get it over with and replace the car.
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Here is a solution for the seats. Total cost $2 - $25

1. Take an old jeans and cut about 15" of the leg from it. - Price = $0.0
2. Get a flexible plastic sheet (e.g. polywall, flexible cutting board, or similar) = $2 - $20
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/finfoerdel ... -30335898/
https://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Plastic ... B01HN7ZGUQ
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mainstays-Co ... t/20531370
https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-16-in-x-4 ... /202090190
3. Cut the plastic length the same length as jeans piece. Cut the width of plastic to about an inch bigger than the width of the jeans piece.
4. Insert the plastic in jeans piece.
5. The plastic will be slightly curved in jeans, remember the width of the pastic was an inch bigger than the width of jeans leg piece.
6. insert a thin cotton pillow in the curved space. You can insert a folded fleece blanket piece (usually $2). You can just insert cotton from old pillow. You can insert foam (you can get for $2-$5). You can use anything which is soft. The isea is to create padding.
7. Put this on the seat vertical (between your back and seat). The plastic insert will keep the thing you created vertical. The cotton/pillow/fleece will provide padding (i.e. making backet seat as flat).
8. Enjoy the Honda. You can adjust thickness in step 6 by putting less/more padding.

Disclaimer: I believe, bucket seats are designed this way for safety reasons, i.e. to push your head a bit in front (i think). I am not a safety expert, so the padding you created may impact safety, so use it after you evaluate safety impact.
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I felt compelled to register and post something online, which I never do. There is so much drama being caused over this issue.

I had the same issue with Accords. I couldn't walk after driving my Dad's car from NY to VT one time. My partner had to drive the whole way home. But then in 2015 I inherited my grandfather's 2010 Accord with only 20k miles and I wasn't going to give it up.

I bought a simple coccyx seat cushion on Amazon for $30 and I have not had a problem for nearly fine years and 40k miles.

Honda seats suck, but a $30 cushion will solve everything.
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