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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by Jack FFR1846 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:12 am

OP.....Before trading your car in for another that you *assume* will have better seats because the brand is more premium (Acura, Lexus), you should rent the model you are looking to buy for at least a week. I've found that many car seats that seem comfortable with short drives (feels like a couch, maybe) are horrible after a long drive. The absolute best seats I ever found were in 2 German cars. One was a mid 90's Mercedes S class Diesel driven by one of my reps. We were in the thing, driving all around Florida for 9 hours that day. The seats seemed like they were hard as a rock when I first got in but they never became uncomfortable the entire day. The other was my own 1990 BMW M3 with stock Recaro seats. Again, these things were hard as a rock and I never really realized how comfortable they were until I made the drive from Boston to Philadelphia one day. You won't figure any of this out with a 15 minute test drive. Many dealers will let you take a car for an extended period of time especially if you let them know the story about the seats in your car.

Another option......find a junkyard with an Acura like the one you're considering buying and buy the driver seat. Install that in your car. Honda and Acura typically build their cars on the exact same platform so you'd want to find the Acura that has that same platform so everything bolts in and connects correctly.
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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by bloom2708 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:16 am

I've learned that I virtually know nothing. If I think I know something I am probably proven wrong later. I've also learned to admit when I'm wrong and then course adjust frequently.

The seats are uncomfortable. Life is short.

Trade the car for a Lexus. A 3-5 year old ES or LS will be a better car even with some miles.
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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by SimplicityNow » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:39 am

I had a seat issue with my Lexus. It wasn't apparent on the test drives which of course are very short.

I'm an average height and weight guy and the seat was causing me pain in my hamstring.

A $30 seat cushion saved the day. I found it silly that I needed a cushion in a brand new car but what can you do. Live and learn.

The solution is simple. Sell the car. Take the loss. Buy a new one. Move on with your life.

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by onourway » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:28 am

I would second the suggestion to visit a chiropractor. Find one through word of mouth - a good one is well worth the effort.

Second, changing the seat in a car is not that big of a deal. If you love everything else about the car and intend to keep it for 10 years, this is well worth doing. If you are worried about resale, keep the original seat and have it replaced before you sell it.

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by Fripp » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:39 am

I purchased a Honda Accord about six years ago and had the same problem. On extended drives (3-4 hours), I found that my back was killing me. On longer trips, I had trouble getting out of the car-my back felt that bad. Other people driving it had no problems.

Overall, the car performed great, just not on long trips.

I solved my problem by giving the car to my daughter. She never had a problem with the seats. Since that time, I have purchased two Camry's, which were kinder to my back.

I do not know if the current Honda Accords would give me the same problem, but from your note, I suspect that they would.

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by rxtra8 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:12 am

OldSport wrote:
simplextableau wrote:For what it's worth, like the OP, I read the Bogleheads forums every day but never post because I have nothing to contribute (I just chug along with a 2 fund portfolio) and I've also found people on here to be somewhat overly judgmental at times.

I have a 2014 Accord LX and the seat is mildly uncomfortable. Less comfortable than my 2001 Civic was. I am 28 years old, fit and have no preexisting back problems. In my case, it's the lack of lumbar support in the LX model, which I knew when I was buying the car. A lumbar pillow solves 99% of the problem, but it took buying more than one to find the one that worked for me.

OP: Some people don't find the headrests comfortable in any newer car because in an attempt to provide better crash ratings, they push your head too far forward. Could that be part of the problem? Some people pull them out, flip them back to front, reinstall and it helps. Otherwise, I think there has to be a custom seat cushion that solves your problem -- physically speaking, it has to just be a matter of adding padding in the right places to make the seat whatever shape is optimal for your body. I would suggest perhaps consulting with an ergonomic specialist, and then having a custom cushion made. But you're not alone -- I too obsess about car purchases. I spent six months looking for my Accord used and if I spent all that money and was uncomfortable in the seats, I'd be very upset as well.

One last thing -- you say you would be too embarrassed to trade in the car. Don't be. Would you rather tell the salesman (1) The seat is so uncomfortable that it gives me back pain but I decided to continue spending all this money while suffering every time I drive for years or (2) The seat is so uncomfortable that it gives me back pain so rather than pay off the entire balance and impair my health, I decided to cut my losses and drive a car that doesn't hurt my back. I'd choose (2) -- no need to be embarrassed about it.
+1 Great post. Thank you.

Whenever I do trade in, I will not mention the seats, as the dealer would sense desperation and low ball. My goal would be to get as high a trade in value as possible. I like the 2018 Acura TLX, but I cannot get a test drive more than 25 minutes. It does seem a lot more comfortable to me. But it is $8-10k more MSRP, excluding the bath and relative deals on both ends.
Possibly try to rent the model( or similar) you are interested for a day or more??
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Post by H-Town » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:44 am

OldSport wrote:I recently bought a top of the line Honda Accord Touring. I was so excited - I thought the vehicle was a great value. Got a good deal on the vehicle as 2018s are coming out. It packs great features and technology for the price.

I thought I had got a winner. Even bought the Honda Care extended warranty and got a deal on that as I thought I'd keep this at least 7-10 years and 150k miles.

This turned out to be the single most stupid purchase decision I have ever made. The car has by far the most uncomfortable seats I have ever experienced. This is not apparent from the test drives. After my first 2 hour drive my back was in excruciating pain for the whole day!

I am healthy and active and never had any back problems until I bought this Honda Accord. It feels like an expensive boat anchor. I hate it.

It normally takes me a few minutes to adjust seats in a vehicle. I spent over 2 weeks adjusting every position, looking at ergonomic videos, etc and nothing works. I have spent multiple hours adjusting the seat, and it is still by far the most uncomfortable seat ever. My back is hurting as I write this.

If I trade it in for something else, I will take a HUGE loss, along the lines of replacing an engine or transmission.

I feel stupid, foolish, and violated for making such a stupid decision. I am extremely careful with my money. This one mistakes negates years of very hard work of being relatively frugal. I feel sick.

In addition to the sickening financial fleecing, I am to9 embarrased to trade in such a new car. Most people who want the latest and greatest still keep cars 3 years, and 2 at the very least. A new Accord Touring packs more technology than almost anything else out there in its price range.

I can easily afford to trade up and take the loss, but it makes me sick, and I am too embarrased to trade in such a new and technologically advanced vehicle. I do not know what to do.
I'm sorry to hear that. Now is the time that you need to take emotion out of the equation. You made a decision based off on your values & beliefs. Don't ever feel bad about it. It's unfortunate how the car turned out but you need to take yourself away from the situation. You already get many good advice on here, so try to think them through. Maybe this time, you'll know for certain what you are looking for in a car.

If you value your savings/net worth and don't want to take a huge loss, find alternate solutions for your driver seat. If you value comforts and stress-free solution, turn your car in and look for a 3 year old used luxury car that offer comfort and high tech. You can brainstorm and find a solution that fits you best.

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by parsi1 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:05 pm

sorry haven't read all the replies
Have you considered visiting the dealership where you bought the car and tell them about your problem.
Honda has good customer service may be they will offer some kind of solution.
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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by MtnTraveler » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:21 pm

Search the forum as another user had a very similar problem which I responded to. Long story short, I bought a 2015 Accord EX-L and had horrible neck pain after driving 30 minutes. Like you I was thinking I made a horrible mistake, etc. I went to a PT and she helped me position the correctly which over a few weeks my body got used to and the car no longer causes pain. Another reader had a similar issue with a new Accord and over a few weeks the problem went away. So save the seat configuration you have so if someone else drives the car you can get back to your settings and give it another month. Seats are manufactured much differently these days due to safety regs, etc so its seems to be a common problem when you get a new vehicle.

Also in regard to the TLX if the Accord bothers you I would imagine the TLX would to. It's basically the Accord with nicer interior and engine. The seat (other than the leather) is the same as it is in the Accord.

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Post by spammagnet » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:03 pm

OldSport wrote:... The car has by far the most uncomfortable seats I have ever experienced. This is not apparent from the test drives. After my first 2 hour drive my back was in excruciating pain for the whole day! ...
From my past experience I concur about the seats. In my case, the seats aren't terrible but they just don't fit my body. We passed on purchasing an Accord, in favor of a Camry, solely because of my discomfort. I never spent enough time in it to suffer excruciating pain but I knew the instant I sat in it that I didn't want to be in it any longer than I had to. (Yes, I adjusted the seat in all possible directions.)

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Post by finite_difference » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:12 pm

Does your Accord have leather seats?

Is it not possible to replace a car seat for $1-2k? And keep the old car seat if you want to reinstall it back to stock? Could take a car seat from a used Acura or something?
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Post by AntsOnTheMarch » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:19 pm

finite_difference wrote:Does your Accord have leather seats?

Is it not possible to replace a car seat for $1-2k? And keep the old car seat if you want to reinstall it back to stock? Could take a car seat from a used Acura or something?
First, check to see if seats have airbags and if replacements would function same as originals during crash.

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Post by Coinsinthefountain » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:20 pm

We opted for a Camry last year for the same reason. Our 81 Honda Accord was comfortable. Kept it for 19 years. Then we got a Civic EX in 2000. Seats were bad but we hung onto it for 16 years. Drove it only 85,000 miles. When we test drove the 2016 Honda Accord we noticed that the seats were still uncomfortable. On the other hand, the Camry driver's seat has all kinds of adjustments. We especially like the lower back adjustment. You'd think car manufacturers would get a handle on this and develop some sort of standard (so many body styles look similar I have trouble telling one make of car from another). And why stop at the driver's seat? Why not put adjustments on the passenger seat or at least offer it as an option?

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Post by Watty » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:00 am

There is non-zero chance that just by coincidence you developed an unrelated back problem at the same time you got this car. If possible try driving a different car for a while to see if the pain continues.

It would be good to try sitting a different car with the same seat as your Accord to see if it feels different. There could be something wrong with your seat.

One other option is that if you have a spouse that does not find the cas as uncomfortable then you could swap cars with him or her.

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Post by URSnshn » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:05 am

I am long time reader and sometimes poster on this site. I appreciate very much all I've learned here. And, there are times when I am amazed at the tone of some of the responses

I don't find the Honda Accord seats comfortable. I have a Honda. They haven't been comfortable for a couple of models now. I am not the one who mainly drives the car. I had no idea there were so many work-a-rounds.

While this forum is so very helpful - financially and in other ways - you also have to have a nerves of steel for some of the responses. I find it embarrassing that such a helpful group of people can respond sometimes as we do.

One other thought about the work-a-rounds… the OP might want to consider if the work-a-round will void a warranty or safety mechanism in the car.




Edited for clarity/grammar and to add the last paragraph.

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Post by carolc » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:39 am

I recently traded in my 2015 Accord LX for a 2018 Acura TLX. I hated the 2015's seats (and I'd had Accords since 1980). I've only driven short distances (an hour or less) so far in the Acura but it appears to be more comfortable for me.

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Post by Doom&Gloom » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:50 am

URSnshn wrote:I am long time reader and sometimes poster on this site. I appreciate very much all I've learned here. And, there are times when I am amazed at the tone of some of the responses

...

While this forum is so very helpful - financially and in other ways - you also have to have a nerves of steel for some of the responses. I find it embarrassing that such a helpful group of people can respond sometimes as we do.
I get your point, but it's the nature of fora. BH is actually pretty mild, compared to many I frequent. I have seen a couple of members here really go the extra mile to answer some questions I have posted here. And sometimes one specific response in a four-page thread can put the OP on the right track to solving his problem--it has happened to me here.

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Post by CppCoder » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:59 am

We have a 2013 Accord and a 2016 Odyssey (before that, 2004 Civic and 2008 CR-V). I have a few comments about the seats. First, I found the Accord seats did soften up a bit over time and became more comfortable. Second, I found the Accord seats uncomfortable on even short drives before I made some seat adjustments. I found a lot of comfort difference in my back from changing the angle of my legs. In particular, leaning the seat backward, moving the seat upward, and sitting further back all made the seat more comfortable. Third, I've had problems in my back, especially in the Odyssey, on long drives. I've found that using the seat warmer, even if it's hot outside (I live in Texas, so I'm not talking about Minnesota "hot"), makes the seats much, much more comfortable. The heat to your body increases blood flow and relaxes the muscles. I think most people use the seat warmers to warm themselves when it's cold. I use them like a heating pad, regardless of the temperature. Give it a shot. It's a really cheap fix, and I find it really does make a big difference. Caveat: The seat warmer tends to be thighs and lower back. It may be ineffective if your back pain is upper back between the shoulder blades.

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Post by iamlucky13 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:14 pm

What seat shape or additional support is comfortable is often a highly individual matter, so I don't think we can offer much more than ideas to try that worked for some of us. There's never a guarantee they'll work for you.

Somebody else mentioned headrests, which was something I experienced minor issues with, but between trying different positions, and I think different muscles strengthening themselves, it got better for me over time.

Since it doesn't sound like that's working in your case, when I was trying to figure out how to make it better, I found cases online where people had removed headrests, flipped them around for more head clearance, or even put them in a vice to bend the support bars to a slightly better angle.

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Post by eg1 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:37 pm

Same issue with a 2015 accord I had. I had the LX model so no power seats. The way the seats were designed provided 0 thigh support for me. It was fine the first couple of months but then I started getting horrible back pain. Tried chiropractor which helped a bit. I tried a bunch of different support pillows but couldn't use most of them since I am tall and I need to have the seat low. None of the upholstery shops I went to would do anything. Some said they couldn't do anything about it, others wouldn't even touch it. The side airbags make it much more complicated then older cars. There are posts online of people putting washers underneath the seat bolts to raise it up a bit for thigh support but I wasn't about to mess with the seat geometry.

To make the long story short, I traded the car in and I am much happier. Back pain is gone. I recommend you do the same. Get a car that has the most number of seat adjustments that is well bolstered. Yea you will lose money and it sucks but at least you got an accord which doesn't depreciate too much. In about couple of months you wont even think about it.

I had an older Acura TL and the seats in that car were amazing. I would also check out SUVs, I find the sitting position to be more comfortable - sitting up vs. sitting in. Whatever you do make sure to spend plenty of time in the seat to make sure there is enough support. Last thing you want to do is buy another car and you find out you hate those seats too.

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Post by F150HD » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:55 pm

Read somewhere that Honda and Saturn were collaborating to make a new vehicle.

They were going to combine the Honda Accord and the Saturn Ion to make a car called the Accordion.

They thought it might appeal to the somewhat elderly polka crowd.
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Post by PatrickA5 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:53 pm

I have a 16 Accord Touring and a 16 Acura RDX. The ride and comfort of the Accord is much better than my Acura. I guess it just depends on your body type and how you "fit" into the seat. Love my Accord!

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Post by samsoes » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:27 pm

I had a 2005 Accord LX for 10 years with no problems. Traded it up to a beautiful new 2015 Accord LX, and a almost immediately, for the first time in my life, I developed awful sciatica pain radiating down my right leg. The doctor sent me for PT. During one of the PT sessions it occurred to me that the timing of the car purchase and sciatica pain almost coincided to the day. When the PT bills started rolling-in (over $1800 due to high deductible plan), I stopped seeing the therapist and did research - adjusting the seat so my thighs were parallel to the floor of the car helped tremendously.

(This is the LX model - manual seat controls with no memory setting.)

Months later when when I picked-up the car from routine service, I had discovered that the mechanic had changed my finely-tuned seat adjustment and on the way home my right leg was on fire again. I pulled-over and monkeyed with the seat control to return the seat to a better position.

Just today I drove to work with new shoes, ones a little thicker in the soles than my previous. That small amount of added thickness caused my leg to no longer be perfectly parallel and pain was brewing, this time slowly. I pulled the seat back further to the point I can't reach the dash controls (radio, heat, a/c), but my leg is now parallel once again, and the pain has quieted.

I have a 15 year old beater Ford pickup truck - absolutely no problems with the seat or sciatica pain, and my leg is not parallel. There is something with the Honda seats that's messing with a nerve somewhere which is somewhat alleviated by ensuring my leg is parallel. It really is a shame; I really like the car otherwise, and Hondas in general, but after 35 more payments I'll be switching car models (if I can last that long).
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Post by kskih » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:15 am

I rarely post .. insomuch I had to reset my password .. but this post made me take the time.

It's not you... I just bought a 2017 Accord as well ..with about 5k miles on it, I'm 5'2. I bought it for the same reasons. My last car I bought new in 05, Acura RL.

I hate this car... and the biggest reason .. the seats. I'm going to just sell and take a loss.

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Post by Pajamas » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:55 am

Focus on identifying the problem and fixing it. Assuming that it is the car that is causing the problem and not something wrong with your back, it is probably just the seat and not the entire car. You don't have to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

After sitting in the seat and watching videos about ergonomics and making many adjustments, do you not have any idea what is causing it to be uncomfortable? The angle of the seat, the cushion on the bottom, the lumbar support? The suggestion made above to go to a physical therapist for help in identifying and remediating the problem is a good one. An occupational therapist might also be able to help.

If it is the seat, the odds are that adding a lumber support pillow or having the seat altered by an automobile upholstery shop would fix the problem.

Another suggestion would be to have someone else drive the car for long enough to see if it causes problems for them, too, and to see if they can identify what the issue is.

Also consider that it could be something about the car other than the seat itself. It could be the position of the steering wheel or pedals or other components. Some vehicles are just not a good fit for certain people.

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Post by mouses » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:02 pm

I have two old cars. Occasionally I have to have a rental car and it surprised me how uncomfortable modern car seats can be. Plus those small diameter steering wheels cause a lot of shoulder stress. I hope to not have to buy a new car before I croak, but if I do I will not buy one without renting that model and driving it for a couple of weeks.

I agree that you should try to fix this problem by getting some sort of padding. Then you can just remove that when you want to sell the car.

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Post by mouses » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:06 pm

samsoes wrote:
Months later when when I picked-up the car from routine service, I had discovered that the mechanic had changed my finely-tuned seat adjustment and on the way home my right leg was on fire again.
Why do mechanics do this?? They probably drive the car for a total of five minutes, then the driver has to spend time figuring out how to readjust the seat settings because you never know which of the several settings they have messed with.

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Post by rgs92 » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:17 pm

I sat in new Accords at the Honda dealer and new Acura TLs at the Acura dealer. The Acura was somehow much more comfy to me (yes, the Accord seats and driving position were a show-stopper for me too-- in my case my legs were too close to the floor no matter how I adjusted things).
Why don't you try to sit in and drive a TLX?
I would suggest going to the Acura dealer, checking out the TLX, and if you like it like I did, talking about your problem, and seeing if he could make you a good deal on a new or good CPO one with a trade? They are in the same family of dealers.
You may be down a few thousand dollars, but is that something to be worried about much at all in the scheme of things? Really? I wouldn't care a bit.

It doesn't matter really. It's not like you bought highly-depreciable and immediately suffered a $25,000 loss (like happened with the Hyundai Equus and now seems to happening with the H/K Genesis G90). There is a huge market for low mileage Accords and they sell like hotcakes. Just relax.

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Post by spammagnet » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:53 pm

mouses wrote:Why do mechanics do this?? T
I literally can't get in my wife's car without adjusting the seats. I'm sure mechanics are faced with the same thing multiple time a day. They couldn't possibly put it back to specific settings you had without a memory button, so why try?

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Post by OldSport » Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:17 am

***UPDATE***

Spent a lot of time looking into options. Tried 5 different cushions/pillows, some with memory foam, and none of them worked. I realized that it wasn't the seat material that was uncomfortable, it was the shape of the seat back itself and the headrest. The seat back and the headrest have a concave shape that forces my back/neck into an unnatural concave position. Raising the headrest maintains the same odd position and juts me further out. This odd shape puts all the strain on my lower back with no support in my mid/upper back & shoulders with strain on my neck. So the main issue is odd concave shape of seat back and headrest. None of the power adjustments changes this. The second issue is the lumbar support itself. It has a harsh/sharp stabbing feeling. If I retract too much, my lower back is in pain. If I position just right, the support itself causes localized pain. The seat cushions/memory foam did help with the lumbar support issue, but did nothing for the seat shape issue, and some of them made it worse since they provided no support for the mid/upper back. So far, the stock seat was better than every cushion I had tried.

There was one cushion combo that had memory foam back cushion and a neck pillow. That was tolerable to sit still in the Accord seat as it helped with upper back/neck support. That did not work while driving. The neck support kept moving around and was a distraction to driving.

I test drove the Acura TLX. I sat in the TLX a lot this weekend - several hours in 4 different TLX. The seat comfort is in a completely different league than the Accord. Not only was the seat comfort acceptable, but it was one of the most comfortable cars I can recall. I looked at 2017 and 2018. There are good deals on 2017, but it is lacking a lot of the tech features that got me to buy the Accord. The 2018 has them for the most part. I liked a lot about the TLX, but I didn't like that it seemed to nickle and dime compared to the Accord. In the Accord, a lot of features come standard. With TLX, you have to pay extra for spare tire, remote start, and foglights that all come standard in Accord.

I could see myself in a 2018 TLX for the next 7-10 years, 100-150k miles. I thought I could see myself in an Accord that long, but the seat comfort did me in. If I decide to go TLX route, should I wait till year end to get better deals? I could probably save a few $K by waiting, but the Accord will depreciate by a similar amount in that time. I could pay off the Accord by end of year and have the title if that makes a difference for trade. I am in a state that reduces new vehicle purchase price by trade in amount to calculate sales tax. I have never traded in a vehicle without it paid off and a title in hand, so I don't know what to expect.

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Post by sunny_socal » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:03 am

I posted that exact diagnosis earlier in the thread. Ended up bending the headrest posts and now the seats are fine. Look online how to do it.

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Post by katnok » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:25 am

OldSport:

I know exactly what you are going through. I just bought a 2018 Accord Touring with all the bells and whistles, and I'm happy with everything except the seat comfort. This is our 3rd Accord over the past 16 years, and I never thought I would be complaining about the seats.

For me, it's just the lower half of the driver's seat, which is extremely uncomfortable. It has lumbar support, which if used, only makes it worse. The pain and discomfort is mostly from the lower half of the seat pushing firmly against my lumbar spine. Like you, I've adjusted the seat positions in numerous ways, but couldn't find that elusive comfort.

Because I like the car otherwise, I'm going to give it some time, and see if the seat becomes more tolerable.

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Post by Jags4186 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:04 am

OP sorry the Accord isn't working out for you. You have two options--find a new drivers seat and install it. Keep the old seat and have it put back in when you go to sell the car, or, drive the car until its worthless and don't bother putting the old seat it. In fact you might be able to sell the real driver's seat for a good amount of money. Or sell the car and take a bath and find something else.

For everyone else, I wouldn't get too concerned about a few dozen people who don't like the seats in a car otherwise universally praised for decades, and continues to be considered the top one or two models in it's class.

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by ljb1234 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:57 am

finite_difference wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:12 pm
Does your Accord have leather seats?

Is it not possible to replace a car seat for $1-2k? And keep the old car seat if you want to reinstall it back to stock? Could take a car seat from a used Acura or something?
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Post by MnyGrl » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:11 am

spammagnet wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:03 pm
OldSport wrote:... The car has by far the most uncomfortable seats I have ever experienced. This is not apparent from the test drives. After my first 2 hour drive my back was in excruciating pain for the whole day! ...
From my past experience I concur about the seats. In my case, the seats aren't terrible but they just don't fit my body. We passed on purchasing an Accord, in favor of a Camry, solely because of my discomfort. I never spent enough time in it to suffer excruciating pain but I knew the instant I sat in it that I didn't want to be in it any longer than I had to. (Yes, I adjusted the seat in all possible directions.)
I recently bought a Camry after trying the Accord. I had an Accord before but the new seats are definitely harder.

Like others have suggested, some after market seat covers with a little padding may do the trick.

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Post by p14175 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:12 pm

Have you considered after-market seats?

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Post by OldOne » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:53 pm

I have same model car (last of the Accord V6's) - my 3rd Accord. Never had any seat discomfort with previous 2 and none now. And no, my butt is not heavily padded.

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Post by ncbill » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:03 pm

p14175 wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:12 pm
Have you considered after-market seats?
IIRC some people swapped in Acura seats.

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Post by protagonist » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:33 pm

A lot of complaints but mostly just very expensive solutions....eg: selling the car at a loss.

For those who paid $30K for the car and otherwise love it, there must be less draconian and simpler solutions to an uncomfortable seat.

Bending the headrests was suggested- that might be worth trying.

How about a particular seat cushion or lumbar support? If there is one that people found helpful, it would probably be an under-$100 investment that sure beats selling the car. Especially if the problem isn't so much with Honda as with the fact that we are getting older.

There may be other similar suggestions above , but since I don't own an Accord I am not compelled to carefully review 90 posts.

It would be helpful to just refer people to a particular product that they have found to successfully solve the problem with minimal expense or hassle. Just an idea......
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Post by Nestegg_User » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:30 pm

F150HD wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:55 pm
Read somewhere that Honda and Saturn were collaborating to make a new vehicle.

They were going to combine the Honda Accord and the Saturn Ion to make a car called the Accordion.

They thought it might appeal to the somewhat elderly polka crowd.
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Sorry, It wouldn’t pass the safety requirements

(but it might be better than the mexican “No Va”)


(F-250 SD here)


but sometimes you can tell about comfort in a short test drive; we determined that the passengers seat for the subbies (especially on the Forrester) were uncomfortable and ruled that out, price didn’t help either

OP- that Taylor called you out as possible troll shows that the post seemed overly “concerning” as he is usually VERY accommodating
edit: I know I’ve called out troll before (and LadyGeek agreed!)

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by Reubin » Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:21 pm

I agree. I bought a Honda Accord a couple of years ago and I couldn't tolerate the horribly uncomfortable seats either. They dug into my thighs and caused me back pain. I've always liked the comfort of my Toyotas and traded in my Accord for a Camry after just one short year.

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Post by randomguy » Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:26 pm

onourway wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:28 am
I would second the suggestion to visit a chiropractor. Find one through word of mouth - a good one is well worth the effort.

Second, changing the seat in a car is not that big of a deal. If you love everything else about the car and intend to keep it for 10 years, this is well worth doing. If you are worried about resale, keep the original seat and have it replaced before you sell it.
I would Google what research has shown about the chiropractors before signing up. The results range from useful to snake oil salesmen. Do the research and draw your own conclusions,.

Seat comfort is very personal. Even the best seats have some haters. And it is more than the seat. It is he way your body ineracts with the steering wheel and pedals in addition to how your butt and spine sit. There are lots of complaints about Honda seats so there is definitely a subset of the population they don't work for. And a lot of people who just suck up mild discomfort

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by anoop » Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:45 pm

OldSport wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:17 am
***UPDATE***

Spent a lot of time looking into options. Tried 5 different cushions/pillows, some with memory foam, and none of them worked. I realized that it wasn't the seat material that was uncomfortable, it was the shape of the seat back itself and the headrest. The seat back and the headrest have a concave shape that forces my back/neck into an unnatural concave position. Raising the headrest maintains the same odd position and juts me further out. This odd shape puts all the strain on my lower back with no support in my mid/upper back & shoulders with strain on my neck. So the main issue is odd concave shape of seat back and headrest. None of the power adjustments changes this. The second issue is the lumbar support itself. It has a harsh/sharp stabbing feeling. If I retract too much, my lower back is in pain. If I position just right, the support itself causes localized pain. The seat cushions/memory foam did help with the lumbar support issue, but did nothing for the seat shape issue, and some of them made it worse since they provided no support for the mid/upper back. So far, the stock seat was better than every cushion I had tried.

There was one cushion combo that had memory foam back cushion and a neck pillow. That was tolerable to sit still in the Accord seat as it helped with upper back/neck support. That did not work while driving. The neck support kept moving around and was a distraction to driving.

I test drove the Acura TLX. I sat in the TLX a lot this weekend - several hours in 4 different TLX. The seat comfort is in a completely different league than the Accord. Not only was the seat comfort acceptable, but it was one of the most comfortable cars I can recall. I looked at 2017 and 2018. There are good deals on 2017, but it is lacking a lot of the tech features that got me to buy the Accord. The 2018 has them for the most part. I liked a lot about the TLX, but I didn't like that it seemed to nickle and dime compared to the Accord. In the Accord, a lot of features come standard. With TLX, you have to pay extra for spare tire, remote start, and foglights that all come standard in Accord.

I could see myself in a 2018 TLX for the next 7-10 years, 100-150k miles. I thought I could see myself in an Accord that long, but the seat comfort did me in. If I decide to go TLX route, should I wait till year end to get better deals? I could probably save a few $K by waiting, but the Accord will depreciate by a similar amount in that time. I could pay off the Accord by end of year and have the title if that makes a difference for trade. I am in a state that reduces new vehicle purchase price by trade in amount to calculate sales tax. I have never traded in a vehicle without it paid off and a title in hand, so I don't know what to expect.
How do you know that it will work for a 2 hour drive? Will the dealership allow you take a demo vehicle home to see if it really works for you?

It actually scares me quite a bit -- more and more I'm reading of folks having trouble with seat comfort in new cars. Even staying with the same make/model but a newer model year folks are complaining about seat comfort. I wish dealerships offered the chance to rent a car from them for a day or two which would minimize the chance of such buyer's remorse.

Among the new cars, Nissan/Infiniti is supposed to have great "Zero Gravity" seats, as also some Volvo's (R design ones).

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by CaliCD » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:51 pm

Hello! Oh my gosh. I have having the EXACT same problem. I bought a brand new, Honda HRV one week ago and from the moment I drove it I am having excruciating lower back and leg pain. I KNOW it's the car, I've never had such a thing! I am wondering if you have found a fix? I ordered some support products from Amazon before paying $345 for the back support from Relax The Back. I am going to have to return the car (at a loss no doubt) because this is seriously ruining my life. I really, really feel for you and it seems some people think it can't be relate but it MOST CERTAINLY IS. If I find a solution I will let you know.

I know some people suggest changing the seat, I would imagine that is costly because of the air bag sensors, etc. UGGGGG!!!!

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by anoop » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:00 pm

CaliCD wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:51 pm
Hello! Oh my gosh. I have having the EXACT same problem. I bought a brand new, Honda HRV one week ago and from the moment I drove it I am having excruciating lower back and leg pain. I KNOW it's the car, I've never had such a thing! I am wondering if you have found a fix? I ordered some support products from Amazon before paying $345 for the back support from Relax The Back. I am going to have to return the car (at a loss no doubt) because this is seriously ruining my life. I really, really feel for you and it seems some people think it can't be relate but it MOST CERTAINLY IS. If I find a solution I will let you know.

I know some people suggest changing the seat, I would imagine that is costly because of the air bag sensors, etc. UGGGGG!!!!
I don't think changing the seat is a good idea because it may impact the ability of the vehicle to protect occupants in a crash.

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by randomguy » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:37 pm

anoop wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:45 pm
to

How do you know that it will work for a 2 hour drive? Will the dealership allow you take a demo vehicle home to see if it really works for you?

It actually scares me quite a bit -- more and more I'm reading of folks having trouble with seat comfort in new cars. Even staying with the same make/model but a newer model year folks are complaining about seat comfort. I wish dealerships offered the chance to rent a car from them for a day or two which would minimize the chance of such buyer's remorse.

Among the new cars, Nissan/Infiniti is supposed to have great "Zero Gravity" seats, as also some Volvo's (R design ones).
Lots of dealers in my area rent loaner cars for people doing service. Traditional rental car places can sometimes help. Some dealers do overnight test drives. It is something to ask your salesman.

Volvo seats are highly rated. But I bet someone has some complaints.

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by Reubin » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:33 pm

CaliCD wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:51 pm
Hello! Oh my gosh. I have having the EXACT same problem. I bought a brand new, Honda HRV one week ago and from the moment I drove it I am having excruciating lower back and leg pain. I KNOW it's the car, I've never had such a thing! I am wondering if you have found a fix? I ordered some support products from Amazon before paying $345 for the back support from Relax The Back. I am going to have to return the car (at a loss no doubt) because this is seriously ruining my life. I really, really feel for you and it seems some people think it can't be relate but it MOST CERTAINLY IS. If I find a solution I will let you know.

I know some people suggest changing the seat, I would imagine that is costly because of the air bag sensors, etc. UGGGGG!!!!
Do what I did and just bite the bullet and trade it in. I'm much better off for doing it.

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Re: Need Options - Honda Accord Incredibly Uncomfortable Seats

Post by anoop » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:14 am

randomguy wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:37 pm
Volvo seats are highly rated. But I bet someone has some complaints.
Yeah I found them amazing on my test drive of the S60 R Design. I found the drive very uninspiring, but the seats were just out of the world. Apparently, the newer ones in the redesigned cars are not as comfortable as the old ones, even though they are still among the best when compared to the rest.

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