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Looking for a water softener for house. Please suggest if you have been using any or know any best ones in the market.
I can google but would like to know based on experiences.
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I don't know if my experience is useful. We have very hard water and we had a unit installed by a local company. I remember that Culligan (a big water company) was quite a bit more expensive than the company I ended up using. So shop around.
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When I had my house built there were so many things to think about and make decisions I decided to make a simple decision and go with Culligan since they've been around since Adam (well, since 1936 -- just looked it up). I am not disappointed. I must admit my Culligan did have a problem a while back. A plastic valve failed and they replaced it with a titanium (I think) version. Out or warranty. :(

If you are worried about sodium (I am not) my softener can be set to use potassium.

If you have the time and inclination it might be interesting to look into this and see what (if any) new and effective technologies are available. My guess is none since I still see LOTS of water softener salt available!

One thing I would think about if still (or again) in the market would be a Kinetico, or something similar. I believe these are powered completely by water pressure. I did have a softener of that type (don't remember the brand) about 25 years ago. I lived in the house for 17 years and never had a problem with it.
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If you're looking at traditional water softeners (with media and salt tanks) the most important component by far is the control valve. Fleck and Autotrol are the gold standards. Look for local independent companies who supply a softener with one of these heads and it should serve you well. Don't use proprietary brands or you'll likely be locked into them for service and support (read that 'spending unnecessary money').

If you're looking at the alternatives that are being pushed these days my advice is to stop looking at them.

If you're worried about the salt use potassium instead.
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We have Puronics hydronex for 7 years. Very happy.
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If possible when the unit is installed have them separate the outside hose connections and lawn sprinklers from the softener. You will save salt and wear and tear on whatever unit you get. No need to have soft water to water the grass or wash the car.

Our first softener was from Sears nothing but trouble so much they could not figure it out after 3 visits they gave me another one. That worked for about 1 year and gave out. I then purchased one on line with a Fleck controller worked flawlessly for 15 years, sold the house was still working.
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TLC1957 wrote:If possible when the unit is installed have them separate the outside hose connections and lawn sprinklers from the softener. You will save salt and wear and tear on whatever unit you get. No need to have soft water to water the grass or wash the car.
As a matter of fact, it's not good for plants to be fed soft water. They can die from it over time. Typically the cold water at the kitchen faucet is also not softened because it's not good for people either (especially those with high blood pressure). Soft water for washing the car is good. Very hard water can leave water spots that are tough to get off and can sometimes etch the clearcoat. My water is very hard so I use a hose from the water heater (softened) to wash my car.
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rakilive wrote:Looking for a water softener for house. Please suggest if you have been using any or know any best ones in the market.
I can google but would like to know based on experiences.
Our last house had one installed from Menards. It was my first experience with one and it worked without any help from me other than adding a bag of salt once a month for the entire ten years I lived there. It really is a pretty simple system and there isn't a lot that can go wrong that I could see.
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I had a Fleck for five years in Indiana with well water which was very hard. I researched it well back in 2005 and chose that since it seemed to be used by a variety of businesses - especially resorts and hotels with a great reputation. Bought it online from a retailer and had a local plumber versed in Fleck products install it. The plumber raved about the Fleck I got and at the time was about 50% less than what they were selling it in Indiana. Can't remember the website now though but the softener was doing great when we moved in 2010...
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I live in Arizona and had a whole house water softeners three times. We never liked them much. I find they make the water "slick and slimy feeling". So we no longer have one even though our house is plumbed for one. We use a counter top Britta carbon filter for cooking water and a in line carbon filter for the refrigerator water. So we get drinking water from there. The rest of the house plumbing water and yard water is hard.

The water softeners we used back when were preconditioned exchange tanks type. We did not have a automatic softener. We just paid for a service. The guy hooked up a new tank every two weeks. I think it cost about $50/month for two tanks. The plumbing to install that kind of softener was minimal and installed free with a one year contract. We got the service from Culligan.

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btenny wrote:I live in Arizona and had a whole house water softeners three times. We never liked them much. I find they make the water "slick and slimy feeling". So we no longer have one even though our house is plumbed for one.
The problem is that most plumbers don't how to properly adjust the settings. They just use the 'standard' settings (typical for the area but not right for the area) and the water is over-softened. Most of the softeners in our area and I bet your area are set this way. Fortunately there's a guy in our neighborhood who researched this thoroughly and educated me on how to set my softener. As a result our water is soft but not too soft which avoids the slick, slimy feeling that you allude to but still avoids water spotting, soap not sudsing and other downsides to extremely hard water.

The important point is that it's not just the quality of the softener but the knowledge to set it properly that counts.

I would imagine that a good independent softener dealer would know how to test the water, properly set the softener, and provide a tutorial on how to fine-tune the system to your preferences. If they can't do this you don't want to use them.
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Best performance/deal in the market IMO. Been using this for two years in a very hard water areas and it performs great:

Fleck 5600SXT 48,000 Grain Water Softener Digital SXT Metered Whole House System

https://www.amazon.com/Fleck-5600SXT-So ... B00OGN3162
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We had Culligan install their tanks in three houses. They setup the tanks and the softening amount. We had the same over softening thing in all three places. We were young and had a baby in our first house so we did not have time to complain. Plus back then we used cloth diapers so we had lots of laundry and wanted real soft water. We complained in our next two places and they never "adjusted anything" they just told us that was the way soft water felt. So we had them taken out after a year, twice.

Maybe if you only do partial softening with a home unit the slimy thing is better. I know lots of hotels we stay in have slimy water IMO. So I guess it is partially personal taste. I just know that we gets lots of suds with our hard water for showering and great tasting water from our Britta filter to drink. So we don't need the softener.

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I had a local water specialist who sold home water purifiers test our water. My guy would let you bring in your own water (in one of their plastic tubes) for a free test.

He then had installed a whole house water softener (sorry, I forgot which company, but it wasn't Culligan). Worked great for the four years and we sold the house.

We then had him come and check the water in our new house. He told us that the water was soft enough and offered to see us a d-chlorinator or a kitchen reverse osmosis system. Not a hard sell, and we declined.

The point is that you need to get someone you trust who can test the water and re-test as-needed (to let you know how to adjust the softener based on results once it's installed). As your neighbors!
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We use this test kit to validate our water softener settings whenever it feels like it's too soft or hard: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N3YPOUG/

Expect to replace the resin beads every X many years. It's a messy job but not a difficult one. There are many how-to YouTube videos and we even had a Bogleheads thread a while back.

Soft water is great to prevent buildup on fixtures and wet surfaces, as well as greatly reduce detergent use in dishwasher, washing machine, and bathing.

To the point about being bad for people and plants, you can use potassium chloride rather than sodium chloride, then your water is actually good for most people and plants. It's a few dollars more a bag - a fine trade-off.
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yearzero wrote:Best performance/deal in the market IMO. Been using this for two years in a very hard water areas and it performs great:

Fleck 5600SXT 48,000 Grain Water Softener Digital SXT Metered Whole House System

https://www.amazon.com/Fleck-5600SXT-So ... B00OGN3162
Thanks for your reply.
How is the installation from amazon?
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rakilive wrote:
yearzero wrote:Best performance/deal in the market IMO. Been using this for two years in a very hard water areas and it performs great:

Fleck 5600SXT 48,000 Grain Water Softener Digital SXT Metered Whole House System

https://www.amazon.com/Fleck-5600SXT-So ... B00OGN3162
Thanks for your reply.
How is the installation from amazon?
Got the same unit from Ohio Pure Water Company https://www.ohiopurewater.com (for slightly more money) but they've got excellent customer service (answered a myriad of questions from me), and provide foolproof installation instructions and programming instructions. Install is either super easy (using PEX and Sharkbite fittings - not cheap, but worth their weight in gold for ease of use) or slightly more difficult using CPVC or copper piping. I've only been using it 6 months but so far very pleased with its performance.
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Yooper wrote:Got the same unit from Ohio Pure Water Company https://www.ohiopurewater.com (for slightly more money) but they've got excellent customer service (answered a myriad of questions from me), and provide foolproof installation instructions and programming instructions. Install is either super easy (using PEX and Sharkbite fittings - not cheap, but worth their weight in gold for ease of use) or slightly more difficult using CPVC or copper piping. I've only been using it 6 months but so far very pleased with its performance.
I could have written almost the same exact post. I ordered teh 5600SXT from Ohio Pure Water and installed it myself using the Sharkbite fittings. I was pretty apprehensive, but I loaded in the resin, hooked everything up, programmed the controller and it worked. I had the advantage of replacing an old system, so it really was just a matter of cutting the old copper pipes, and hooking in the new system with Sharkbite fittings. The drain was already there for the drain tube, as was an electrical outlet. I installed mine in mid-2015 and have had zero problems with it. I got as good or better system than I would have from the local water treatment companies, and they wanted over $2000 for a system (installed, of course).
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FrugalInvestor wrote:
TLC1957 wrote:If possible when the unit is installed have them separate the outside hose connections and lawn sprinklers from the softener. You will save salt and wear and tear on whatever unit you get. No need to have soft water to water the grass or wash the car.
As a matter of fact, it's not good for plants to be fed soft water. They can die from it over time. Typically the cold water at the kitchen faucet is also not softened because it's not good for people either (especially those with high blood pressure). Soft water for washing the car is good. Very hard water can leave water spots that are tough to get off and can sometimes etch the clearcoat. My water is very hard so I use a hose from the water heater (softened) to wash my car.
There is less sodium in soft water than a diet pepsi. In general, typically softened water contains about 12.5mg of sodium per 8oz glass. If this water were graded according to the same scale the Food and Drug Administration uses for foods, it would be considered “very low sodium.” That being said, a simple filter would remove the sodium.

Sometimes you don't have the option to separate water output unless you have an unfinished basement. Even if that is the case you could be paying for multiple pipe runs to accomplish it. As others have said the valve is the most important. I've had a Kinetco in the past and was very happy with it. I have an "off" brand resin tank with a fleck valve now and am quite happy as well. In both cases, I had reverse osmosis for drinking and cooking water because of higher levels of lead, prescription residue and other chemicals I didn't want to ingest.

Best thing to do is get a public water analysis as a starting point and then have your water tested before you decide which way to go.
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wfrobinette wrote:There is less sodium in soft water than a diet pepsi. In general, typically softened water contains about 12.5mg of sodium per 8oz glass. If this water were graded according to the same scale the Food and Drug Administration uses for foods, it would be considered “very low sodium.” That being said, a simple filter would remove the sodium.
Agreed. Mine was about 19 mg per 8 oz. Calculations here. :happy Though my local water company has changed the wells it pulls from for my area and I now average 14 gpg, equating to 27 mg/8 oz glass. More than the Diet Pepsi!

As others have said, it's simple enough to buy KCl vs NaCl if one wants to avoid sodium.
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We had Culligan in the house when we bought it 30 years ago, then went with Sears which failed after 7 years. Without a water softener working we had calcium buildups and water faucets needing new gaskets and cartridges. Now we have Culligan again and are happy. We have connections to outside faucets before the water softener, no use of sprinkling the lawn with softened water.
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I have very very hard water in my house, without a softner, I'd get a divorce. Fridge water dispenser, coffee machines, shower doors and washing dishes are a nightmare. I had to do research and here is what I came up with

1- Do not buy Non-Salt water softners. These simply don't do the job
2- Two tank water softners are better than single tank. They tend to last decades
3- Mechnical water softners tend to be better than electric water softners
4- When buying salt, do not buy salt pallets bags. Instead user the smaller or softer salt bags

That being said, the most expensive is Kinetico at $4,000 or more and cheapest would be the Sears/Lowe's and Home Depot at like $300 for the cheapest.
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ahmadcpa wrote:I have very very hard water in my house, without a softner, I'd get a divorce. Fridge water dispenser, coffee machines, shower doors and washing dishes are a nightmare. I had to do research and here is what I came up with

1- Do not buy Non-Salt water softners. These simply don't do the job
2- Two tank water softners are better than single tank. They tend to last decades
3- Mechnical water softners tend to be better than electric water softners
4- When buying salt, do not buy salt pallets bags. Instead user the smaller or softer salt bags

That being said, the most expensive is Kinetico at $4,000 or more and cheapest would be the Sears/Lowe's and Home Depot at like $300 for the cheapest.
I paid less than $2400 for my Kinetco softener, chlorine filter and RO system installed. Though I only needed a system to support 3 people. The great think about the 2 tank kinetco is that you can get buy with a smaller size because one tank can recharge while the other is delivering soft water. I would own a Kinetco again in a heartbeat. HOwever, I could never get the Kinetco dealer in my area to call me back for an estimate so ended up with something else this time around.
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Chip wrote:
wfrobinette wrote:There is less sodium in soft water than a diet pepsi. In general, typically softened water contains about 12.5mg of sodium per 8oz glass. If this water were graded according to the same scale the Food and Drug Administration uses for foods, it would be considered “very low sodium.” That being said, a simple filter would remove the sodium.
Agreed. Mine was about 19 mg per 8 oz. Calculations here. :happy Though my local water company has changed the wells it pulls from for my area and I now average 14 gpg, equating to 27 mg/8 oz glass. More than the Diet Pepsi!

As others have said, it's simple enough to buy KCl vs NaCl if one wants to avoid sodium.
I am making the switch myself since I couldn't separate outside lines for the hoses. But it's about 3x more per bag in NJ.
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I just had a neutralizer and water softener installed for our well and the water is now slimy and tastes bad. The plumbers advised if we neutralized the water we would need the water softener. I suspect the plumbers did not know how to set it up the neutralizer correctly. I will consult with Culligan and also maybe get a filter at the kitchen sink.

The pH was 5.9 without any hardness before installing this system. The water tasted good before the installation.
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SGM wrote:I just had a neutralizer and water softener installed for our well and the water is now slimy and tastes bad. The plumbers advised if we neutralized the water we would need the water softener. I suspect the plumbers did not know how to set it up the neutralizer correctly. I will consult with Culligan and also maybe get a filter at the kitchen sink.

The pH was 5.9 without any hardness before installing this system. The water tasted good before the installation.

What does "neutralize the water" mean? If the water wasn't hard, why would you need a water softener? :confused
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deanbrew wrote:
SGM wrote:I just had a neutralizer and water softener installed for our well and the water is now slimy and tastes bad. The plumbers advised if we neutralized the water we would need the water softener. I suspect the plumbers did not know how to set it up the neutralizer correctly. I will consult with Culligan and also maybe get a filter at the kitchen sink.

The pH was 5.9 without any hardness before installing this system. The water tasted good before the installation.

What does "neutralize the water" mean? If the water wasn't hard, why would you need a water softener? :confused
According to the plumber who put himself up as an expert, increasing the pH would make the water harder. I meant to write that he did not set up the softener correctly.
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After a good deal of research, this is what I went with a few years back:
https://www.ohiopurewater.com/
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rakilive wrote:
yearzero wrote:Best performance/deal in the market IMO. Been using this for two years in a very hard water areas and it performs great:

Fleck 5600SXT 48,000 Grain Water Softener Digital SXT Metered Whole House System

https://www.amazon.com/Fleck-5600SXT-So ... B00OGN3162
Thanks for your reply.
How is the installation from amazon?
Amazon did not offer its "professional installation" when I purchased this. I just paid a local water heater/plumbing expert to install it. It was less that $100 and worth it IMO to have it installed and programmed correctly.
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I'm looking at water softener and I see Home Depot has the Nuvo salt-free system. Anyone knows anything about it? Does it work? The description says they use oranges, lemon and limes to clean the water. Sounds very appealing.
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btenny wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:51 am I live in Arizona and had a whole house water softeners three times. We never liked them much. I find they make the water "slick and slimy feeling". So we no longer have one even though our house is plumbed for one. We use a counter top Britta carbon filter for cooking water and a in line carbon filter for the refrigerator water. So we get drinking water from there. The rest of the house plumbing water and yard water is hard.

The water softeners we used back when were preconditioned exchange tanks type. We did not have a automatic softener. We just paid for a service. The guy hooked up a new tank every two weeks. I think it cost about $50/month for two tanks. The plumbing to install that kind of softener was minimal and installed free with a one year contract. We got the service from Culligan.

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rakilive wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:49 pm Looking for a water softener for house. Please suggest if you have been using any or know any best ones in the market.
I can google but would like to know based on experiences.
Have you tested water yet? Depends on the hardness one may not need one.

I had 4 grains and decided not to do it. Though I think removing the CL or Chlorimines is more important.
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rakilive wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:49 pm Looking for a water softener for house. Please suggest if you have been using any or know any best ones in the market.
I can google but would like to know based on experiences.
Have you tested water yet? Depends on the hardness one may not need one. I had 4 grains and decided not to do it. Though I think removing the CL or Chlorimines is more important.
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I've thought recently about getting a while house filter like this one from Lowes.

Any experience in using something like that?
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Most plumbers recommend units made by fleck.
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new2bogle wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:19 pm I've thought recently about getting a while house filter like this one from Lowes.

Any experience in using something like that?
To be clear, your device is a water filter and not a softener. As shown in your linked page, the filter goes before any (optional) water softener. On your filter system, I would ask 'what do I do when the filter is no longer effective?'. Not clear if there's something you can replace or if you have to de-plumb and toss it/replace the entire system.
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I know this is an ancient thread, but my DW and I are very interested in getting a water softener system for our whole house, which is small. I've just started doing research into this, but it seems like the salt-free systems that use some kind of crystalline method of softening the water would both eliminate the need to add sodium (or potassium) and need less maintenance over time. I'd rather not mess with bags of salt anyway. I'm pretty handy, so I'd like to go the DIY route if possible, but I'm open to getting a plumber if need be.

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willthrill81 wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:32 pm but it seems like the salt-free systems that use some kind of crystalline method of softening the water would both eliminate the need to add sodium (or potassium) and need less maintenance over time. I'd rather not mess with bags of salt anyway.
I believe that most of the salt-free magnetic systems are basically scams. Try to find a single peer-reviewed paper showing that they actually work in a real life situation. Even if they did significantly reduce scaling you wouldn't get the benefit that truly soft water provides for laundry and dishwashing.

I used 5 bags of salt in the last 12 months. 2 person household, 14 gpg hardness.
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Just a push towards a softener with Salt. When the house was sold, the bathroom was 40+ years old in harvest gold. In pristine condition. The softener let the shower walls dry without any watermarks or stains.
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Earlier in the thread Ohio Pure Water came up.

I rarely endorse companies, but this place is great. I was out of my element installing the thing. Called them more than once, and they walked me through whatever problem I was running into. Incredible service.
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Chip wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:19 am
willthrill81 wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:32 pm but it seems like the salt-free systems that use some kind of crystalline method of softening the water would both eliminate the need to add sodium (or potassium) and need less maintenance over time. I'd rather not mess with bags of salt anyway.
I believe that most of the salt-free magnetic systems are basically scams. Try to find a single peer-reviewed paper showing that they actually work in a real life situation. Even if they did significantly reduce scaling you wouldn't get the benefit that truly soft water provides for laundry and dishwashing.

I used 5 bags of salt in the last 12 months. 2 person household, 14 gpg hardness.
Dottie57 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:52 am Just a push towards a softener with Salt. When the house was sold, the bathroom was 40+ years old in harvest gold. In pristine condition. The softener let the shower walls dry without any watermarks or stains.
Chuck107 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:05 am SALT. I agree with other posters that these smoke and mirror water softener products are just scams and really don't do what you need.
Fleck water softener 11 yrs running mechanical not digital, never a problem.
Word of advice, use a whole house water filter pre softener.
If on city water, also use a filter to remove chlorine pre softener, chlorine will destroy the little beads that actually do the work.
And you need to provide an electric outlet 110, and somewhere to drain the water that flushes thru the system, about 75 gal with each flush.
Mine flushes every 10 days. 5000 gal per month usage, water hardness 10 ppm.
Re-plumb your outside water spigots to not use softened water, or any other fixtures that don't need it, saves salt and filters.
Why don't you all tell me what you :wink: really think?

Thanks for the robust endorsement of a system with salt. We'll definitely go that route.

I'm thinking that I might contact a couple of local companies to get an estimate for a complete installation.
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Chuck107 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:55 am As others have stated https://www.ohiopurewater.com/ Is where I got my system, I highly endorse them as being knowledgeable, helpful, and friendly. They will walk you thru the process.

One thing to keep in mind is, you need to know your water hardness in advance of picking out a system.
If on city water, call them, they should know. And your expected water usage per month.
If on well or other, get a hardness test kit, or have a sample tested. Don't just use pool strips lol
Thanks. We're on city water, so I'll call to get the info on our current hardness. We know it's hard since we have all the 'symptoms' of it.

I'll check out Ohio Pure Water. Do you just order the materials from them and then have a local plumber install the system?
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Chuck107 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:13 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:08 pm
Chuck107 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:55 am As others have stated https://www.ohiopurewater.com/ Is where I got my system, I highly endorse them as being knowledgeable, helpful, and friendly. They will walk you thru the process.

One thing to keep in mind is, you need to know your water hardness in advance of picking out a system.
If on city water, call them, they should know. And your expected water usage per month.
If on well or other, get a hardness test kit, or have a sample tested. Don't just use pool strips lol
Thanks. We're on city water, so I'll call to get the info on our current hardness. We know it's hard since we have all the 'symptoms' of it.

I'll check out Ohio Pure Water. Do you just order the materials from them and then have a local plumber install the system?
You can hire a plumber after you get the equipment, I installed it myself though.
My concern is that I don't know where the water main coming into the house is. I can turn on or off the main from an underground box out in our yard, but that's certainly not where a softener system would be placed. TMK, it's not in our garage.
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Willthrill :
Where to find the water line entering the house : In my house the water line enters the basement from the outside about 4 ft underground, there are 2 shutoff valves right after entering the basement, followed by the water softener (Culligan), the hot water tank and the house heating system (I have hot water baseboard heat).
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Chuck107 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:27 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:27 pm
Chuck107 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:13 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:08 pm
Chuck107 wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:55 am As others have stated https://www.ohiopurewater.com/ Is where I got my system, I highly endorse them as being knowledgeable, helpful, and friendly. They will walk you thru the process.

One thing to keep in mind is, you need to know your water hardness in advance of picking out a system.
If on city water, call them, they should know. And your expected water usage per month.
If on well or other, get a hardness test kit, or have a sample tested. Don't just use pool strips lol
Thanks. We're on city water, so I'll call to get the info on our current hardness. We know it's hard since we have all the 'symptoms' of it.

I'll check out Ohio Pure Water. Do you just order the materials from them and then have a local plumber install the system?
You can hire a plumber after you get the equipment, I installed it myself though.
My concern is that I don't know where the water main coming into the house is. I can turn on or off the main from an underground box out in our yard, but that's certainly not where a softener system would be placed. TMK, it's not in our garage.
Do you have a basement/crawlspace or a slab?
And are you located where it does not freeze during the winter?
Slab. It gets into the 10s every year and sometimes down to zero (F).
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If you decide to install it yourself read the instructions carefully and follow them exactly.

The one our contractor installed called for two separate drain lines. The contractor saw no reason for this added expense and teed them together right next to the softener. Well, the reason for two is that when something goes wrong, only having one will flood the garage with salt water. And ruin the softener.

After this happened several times I replaced the unit with a Sears one, which also called for two drain lines, and I installed them both. Never a problem since.
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