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Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by Ever Ready » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:09 am

I just got an offer for a free Windows 10 upgrade, full version, not a trial.

Has anyone else received this offer?

Is it a good idea to get the first version? I have heard it is better to wait for SP1
when they have fixed most of the bugs.

I have also heard that an upgraded OS is not a stable as the originally installed OS, is that really true?

I am currently running Windows 7. How may of my applications will still run on Win 10?
I have not seen a compatibility checker.

Thanks for any advice you can offer.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by hicabob » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:20 am

Unless you enjoy new operating systems or until there is a program you want that requires a new operating system it's generally best to stay with what works for you. "If it ain't broke don't fix it".

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by linakin » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:24 am

From what I understand, Microsoft is only planning on offering the free upgrade for a year. After that, if you want to upgrade, you'd need to buy the operating system yourself. SP1 for Windows 10 might not happen within that year time frame, if you'd rather have it for free.

I would think all of your programs would run on Windows 10 without much issue.

If you're happy with Windows 7, then don't bother upgrading. If you'd like to try out something new, then go for the free upgrade.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by lack_ey » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:25 am

Yeah, everyone with Windows 7 or 8/8.1 seems to be getting it. The upgrade is free for now and available to everyone, with the actual product coming around the 29th of July. I think you can always get the download and choose not to install it until later (say, waiting a few weeks after availability to see if Microsoft's hair is on fire or not). Anyway, it's not for a while, and you have time to read more and decide.

There are still reportedly a decent amount of bugs in the Windows 10 preview that's currently available and used widely by early adopters.

Upgrading operating systems is generally asking for trouble, but modern upgrades on Windows seem to be surprisingly stable.

I would expect most applications to work, especially simpler utilities and programs from larger publishers. Usually you'll run into more problems with finding drivers for more obscure hardware and more specific or niche programs. You can probably check around looking at complaints by people using the preview, but many are likely to be addressed by launch.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by Ever Ready » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:28 am

I just found this. Apparently everyone on Win 7 and 8 will get it.

Windows 10 Arrives on July 29
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485143,00.asp

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by Info_Hound » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:43 am

Received the same upgrade offer when I logged on to my laptop this morning from Microsoft. Am Windows 7 user also with no issues staying put.

I have never liked to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I'll let the other 'alpha' testers who accept the free upgrade figure out what is broke and let MS fix it with service patches before I install. Definitely not in a hurry for this one.

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Post by jebmke » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:44 am

I will probably start running W10 in a VM soon just to see what they have to offer.
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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by segfault » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:00 am

I'm running the technical preview on a virtual machine. It's very nice. The final version is supposed to perform better than Windows 7 or 8 on the same hardware. I wouldn't have any reservations about doing the free upgrade.

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Post by nordlead » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:00 am

I'm going to take the offer. I have two Win 7 machines and I'd like to update them to Windows 10. It'll extend my free windows lifetime to probably close to 18 years.

I had Windows Vista when it first came out (free through college), and Windows 7 when it first came out (ditto). No major problems with either of them. I'll move to Windows 10 and I doubt I'll have any major problems there either.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by TexasMu » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:13 am

Just a heads up. No windows media center in 10. Windows Media Center turns your pc into a DVR similar to a Tivo. Most people do not use it (thus MS dropping it). Thought I would put this info on here just in case someone hasn't got the memo

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by jebmke » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:16 am

segfault wrote:I'm running the technical preview on a virtual machine. It's very nice. The final version is supposed to perform better than Windows 7 or 8 on the same hardware. I wouldn't have any reservations about doing the free upgrade.
Do you know if the W7 peripheral drivers (esp printers) work with W10. We had problems with some older printers when we first introduced W8 into the mix. The printer manufacturers eventually caught up although I have one wireless extender which has configuration software that simply will not work on W8. I keep a VM with a W7 license on each W8 machine just in case.
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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by batpot » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:40 am

Not if you use media center.

Probably will on my new lappy, but not sure about my tower.

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Post by dumbmoney » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:48 am

I've been using the pre-release Win10 and either I'm very unlucky or it's got a frightening number of bugs. So my advice is to wait at least a few months before upgrading.
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Post by mptfan » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:51 am

My advice is to get the free "upgrade" to Chrome OS, and get a Chromebook or Chromebox and you will never have to worry about this issue again.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by BigFoot48 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:56 am

I plan to update to 10 on my Win7 and Win8 computers as soon as its offered. Submitted the "reservation" today. (Assuming there are no warnings from beta testers to not do it, of course.)
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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by tj » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:58 am

I hate windows 8. I use a "skin" to make it look like windows 7. I have no plans to go to windows 10.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by jebmke » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:03 am

tj wrote:I hate windows 8. I use a "skin" to make it look like windows 7. I have no plans to go to windows 10.
with Classic Shell it is almost identical. My users like 8.1. Fast boot and shutdown times - much faster than W7.
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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by miles monroe » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:04 am

yep, there was that new strange icon on the toolbar this morning.

i'm using 7, everything works, certainly not going to "upgrade" if no reason to do so.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by fidobogo » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:10 am

Or you can "cord cut" your Windows, and run a Linux distribution, like Ubuntu.

Two of the biggest reasons this doesn't work for people is if they need to trade Microsoft Office documents with coworkers (when OpenOffice is not compatible enough), or when they want to use their computer as a gaming console. For most other purposes, Linux is fine or better.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by cheese_breath » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:25 am

I'll wait a few months and see how you others who take it now make out. I don't like being a pioneer on new releases because the pioneers usually end up with arrows in their backs. If it's like other MS upgrades I can just imagine Win 10 bringing my dual core I5 to it's knees.
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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by jebmke » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:46 am

cheese_breath wrote: If it's like other MS upgrades I can just imagine Win 10 bringing my dual core I5 to it's knees.
Actually, with W8 we are finding the opposite. W8 seems to run faster than W7 on identical hardware. Have not tried W10 yet.
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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by Christine600 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:58 am

I will do the free upgrade on my Win7 machine. From what I understand it will run better on older machines so that I don't have to buy a new machine for a few years more. Good for my index funds - not so good for Dell, Lenovo & co.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by ssquared87 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:01 pm

tj wrote:I hate windows 8. I use a "skin" to make it look like windows 7. I have no plans to go to windows 10.
If you hate 8, then you should definitely go to 10...the interface in 10 is much more similar to 7 and performance is much better than 8, plus its free

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by 111 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:04 pm

I just got it on my Win8.1 VM and jumped at it. I also have a VM running the Win10 Technical Preview so I already know that I like it a lot better.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by jchef » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:15 pm

miles monroe wrote:yep, there was that new strange icon on the toolbar this morning.

i'm using 7, everything works, certainly not going to "upgrade" if no reason to do so.
Microsoft end of life for Windows 7 is in less than 5 years. After this date you no longer will get security updates.

If you feel there is a good chance you'll be using the machine longer than that, it's likely a good idea to take the free upgrade.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by jchef » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:19 pm

jebmke wrote: Do you know if the W7 peripheral drivers (esp printers) work with W10. We had problems with some older printers when we first introduced W8 into the mix. The printer manufacturers eventually caught up although I have one wireless extender which has configuration software that simply will not work on W8. I keep a VM with a W7 license on each W8 machine just in case.
Microsoft normally provides an upgrade test tool which will check if drivers exist for all of your devices.

It doesn't appear to be available yet for Windows 10, but I expect it will be made available as we get closer to the release date.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by Ged » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:27 pm

Yes, but not for the first few months to let the dust settle.

I'm running Windows 7 on my machines (desktop + 2 laptops). This is like a $300+ offer for a free update of an OS that is going to be end of life soon.

It's a great and quite surprising offer.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by jchef » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:28 pm

linakin wrote:From what I understand, Microsoft is only planning on offering the free upgrade for a year. After that, if you want to upgrade, you'd need to buy the operating system yourself. SP1 for Windows 10 might not happen within that year time frame, if you'd rather have it for free.
There may never be a SP1. In Windows 10, Microsoft is switching to a model where they release new features when they are ready and don't bother saving everything up for a service pack.

It's in some ways going to be similar to how the Firefox and Chrome browsers make a new release every 6 weeks. Each new browser release may only have 1 or 2 new features and some bug fixes. They don't save up a bunch of new features to try to make a huge splash with a big new release.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by miles monroe » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:55 pm

jchef wrote:
miles monroe wrote:yep, there was that new strange icon on the toolbar this morning.

i'm using 7, everything works, certainly not going to "upgrade" if no reason to do so.
Microsoft end of life for Windows 7 is in less than 5 years. After this date you no longer will get security updates.

If you feel there is a good chance you'll be using the machine longer than that, it's likely a good idea to take the free upgrade.
now thats a good example of a "reason to do so".

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by jhfenton » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:12 pm

To me, it's a no-brainer except for one Windows Media Center PC. Win 8.1 performs better than Windows 7 on the same hardware, and I suspect Win 10 will perform at least as well as Win 8.1. I've played with Win 10 in a virtual machine, and it seems promising. It appears as if it will eliminate about half of the discontinuity between the classic Windows desktop and the Windows 8 "Modern" environment. It's not completely there yet in the public previews, but there's still a little time for it to get better.

On the one PC with a TV tuner card, I will have to explore alternatives to Windows Media Center or leave it on Windows 8.1. :?

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Post by Broken Man 1999 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:36 pm

Yes, I'll upgrade, but cautiously. I'll let the more eager folks fram around in the software for a few months and find the bugs for everyone.

When my new desktop arrived with Windows 8, I absolutely hated it. In fact I hooked up my laptop running Windows Vista to my 27" monitor, and added a mouse and full-sized keyboard. Wife really nagged me about buying a new desktop and hardly ever using it.

But, as I fooled around with Windows 8, and figured out how to navigate and create apps for my favorites, I really started liking Windows 8 and 8.1. So much easier than the previous menu-driven accesses, IMHO.

I did migrate my old IE sites, and sometimes I need to find a saved link using them. But, now I have my high-traffic sites accessible via an app.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by Caduceus » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:38 pm

I've been wondering about this too. Windows 10 has Bitlocker encryption, whereas Windows 7 does not. But I am put off by the colorful tiles, though if I could get rid of them somehow and have an uncluttered desktop I would be OK with switching.

I read that you have until a year to switch, so I am guessing that upgrade offer won't be disappearing anytime soon.

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Post by Shadow_Dancer » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:08 pm

I received a couple of these Windows 10 invitations, too. I doubt if I will use it on my principal laptop, which uses Windows 7. As other posters have written, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” ...Plus, I should be replacing this laptop in 3 years, so, I’ll worry about Windows 10 at that time.

If, however, I want to experiment with Windows 10, I might download it to an older laptop, which is also using Windows 7. If something goes wrong with it, well, I have already been planning to replace it with a Chromebook, when it gives up the ghost.

However, my question is: How does Microsoft plan to make money from the new Windows 10? . . . Are they planning to switch it from a “product” to a “service,” as they are doing with Office 360? If so, while the initial download may be free, will Microsoft begin charging monthly subscription fees or fees to routinely update it? :confused

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Post by jchef » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:55 pm

Shadow_Dancer wrote: However, my question is: How does Microsoft plan to make money from the new Windows 10? . . . Are they planning to switch it from a “product” to a “service,” as they are doing with Office 360? If so, while the initial download may be free, will Microsoft begin charging monthly subscription fees or fees to routinely update it?
Microsoft has been clear they have no plans to go to a subscription model for the OS for regular users.

Instead they are planning to go to the app store model. They are going to be pushing really hard for developers of desktop software to sell it through the Windows app store. And Microsoft will of course take a commission on each sale.


They are also desperately hoping that if they can get a lot of desktop/laptop users on Windows 10, they can interest some of them in buying Windows 10 tablets and phones.

They hope to have a lot of software that will run both on the desktop and mobile. So if you buy an app from the Windows app store it will possibly run on both your desktop and your phone.

And they are even planning phones which can be converted to desktops. So you can take a phone and plug it into a dock and now use it as your desktop computer. How well this works on practise remains to be seen.


Microsoft is basically afraid that they are becoming less relevant as iOS and Android become more popular. So they are hoping to make a big splash with Windows 10. And giving it out for free is part of that.

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Re: Free Windows 10 Upgrade, Yes or No?

Post by Ever Ready » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:07 pm

FYI

6 Features Disappearing in Windows 10 (and How to Replace Them)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485170,00.asp

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Post by wilpat » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:10 pm

I started with Windows 3.0 and have upgraded each and every time a new version comes out. I have absolutely no regrets of doing that and will continue indefinitely!
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Post by Grasshopper » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:38 pm

I may get W10 and load it before I buy Quicken 2015 or whatever version is out in spring of 2016, when my Qkn 2012 sunsets.

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Post by rob » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:09 pm

I'm going to upgrade because I hate win 8 so much anything will be better - I may have my head handed to me but worth the risk for this one (and I never do first time upgrades :oops:
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Post by DoubleClick » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:52 am

I would ideally like to try Windows 10 on a different machine than the one I received an upgrade invitation on for a couple of months before I decide to update. Anyone know if I can do that? Are the license terms against it? Are there technical impediments?

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Post by The Wizard » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:22 am

Windows 8 and now Windows 10.
What happened to Windows 9?
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Post by LadyGeek » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:49 am

^^^ No, Microsoft decided to skip a number. I guess that "9" was too close to "8" and they wanted to make sure that everyone understood that this is a new design. :)

Here's the specs: Windows 10 Specifications - Microsoft Read the fine print at the bottom of the page.
Yes, free! This upgrade offer is for a full version of Windows 10, not a trial. 3GB download required; standard data rates apply. To take advantage of this free offer, you must upgrade to Windows 10 within one year of availability. Once you upgrade, you have Windows 10 for free on that device.
You've got a year to get WIn 10. I'm going to wait a few months for the dust to settle.

To remove the annoying Win 10 upgrade notice from your status bar, there are 2 approaches:

1. Uninstall MS update KB3035583: How to remove the 'Get Windows 10' app from your PC and cancel your upgrade reservation (I did this one, did not cancel the upgrade.)

2. For the less adventurous, just hide the taskbar icon - "Click “Customize” in the System Tray and turn off the Get Windows 10 app notifications in the menu that comes up." Windows 10 FAQ & Tips - Microsoft

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Post by johnubc » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:57 am

If you are happy with your current OS, wait 8 months or so (until a few patches have been released) and upgrade to Win 10. Mainstream Support for Win 7 has already passed (Jan 2015) and Service pack support for Win 8 ends Jan 2016.

Upgrade to win 10 and remain supported - i.e., Microsoft will continue to provide security patches and fixes for the new OS.

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Post by dolphinsaremammals » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:10 am

Ever Ready wrote:FYI

6 Features Disappearing in Windows 10 (and How to Replace Them)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485170,00.asp

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No "DVD playback"? What does that mean? I watch old tv programs via DVDs on my (shhh) XP system from time to time. Does no DVD playback mean DVDs don't work on Windows 10? Are there, like, no DVD drives? Or am I confused :D ?

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Post by gd » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:18 am

Ever Ready wrote:FYI

6 Features Disappearing in Windows 10 (and How to Replace Them)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485170,00.asp

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I can imagine how a bubble-dwelling management group would remove solitare as being beneath them and not in style. But not having a built-in DVD player is remarkable. All the extraneous bloat and crap this thing is going to have, and you can't stick a DVD in it and have it play automatically. These people get paid way too much money.

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dolphinsaremammals wrote:
Ever Ready wrote:FYI

6 Features Disappearing in Windows 10 (and How to Replace Them)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485170,00.asp

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No "DVD playback"? What does that mean? I watch old tv programs via DVDs on my (shhh) XP system from time to time. Does no DVD playback mean DVDs don't work on Windows 10? Are there, like, no DVD drives? Or am I confused :D ?
It means Windows 10 does not include software to play video DVDs. But you can use a free program like VLC Player and there are many others you can purchase like PowerDVD.

Software on a DVD will work in Windows 10.

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Post by amd2135 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:40 am

I'm running the latest preview on my 2008 ThinkPad W500 laptop and it works great.

The same laptop had issues with the driver for its long retired AMD GPU (graphics chip) in Windows 8.1 that it didn't have on 8.0. Microsoft changed something with the driver model and it no longer worked without bluescreening after forcing the driver to install.

To my surprise, Windows 10 installed the driver automatically and it works. I was expecting to use the Intel graphics instead.

No switchable graphics support, but that's hardly surprising. The W500 has an unconventional setup to say the least.

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Post by TdF fan » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:19 am

I use Media Center extensively, so I will won't be upgrading right away. If I can find a good replacement within the free upgrade time frame of one year then I will, otherwise they can pry Win 7 from my cold, dead memory chips. :)

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Post by mmmodem » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:26 am

I don't install new OS's until the x.1 version or Service Pack 1 comes out. (Ex. iOS 8.0.x disabled cellular service on some iPhones. 8.1 fixed it.)

However, I will take Microsoft's free offer for an OS upgrade just as I do with Google and Apple phones every year. Eventually, apps you use or new apps coming out will require the new OS. It's a no brainer to upgrade if you want to keep your computer up to date with the latest security fixes.

I plan to do the upgrade next year though right before Microsoft's offer expires. There has never been a major OS upgrade that didn't cause some incompatibility in a device or function.

And if I truly hate Windows 10? I can just reset the computer to factory condition with the previous OS. No harm, no foul. Like I said, it's a a no brainer to upgrade.

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Post by Sidney » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:31 am

mmmodem wrote:And if I truly hate Windows 10? I can just reset the computer to factory condition with the previous OS. No harm, no foul. Like I said, it's a a no brainer to upgrade.
Before you upgrade, check to make sure you can do this. Once you activate a W10 image with the license key that came with W7, it is possible that MS activation database will block any attempt to activate your W7 image.
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Post by Broken Man 1999 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:37 am

Ever Ready wrote:FYI

6 Features Disappearing in Windows 10 (and How to Replace Them)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485170,00.asp

Ever Ready
Oh great! I have 492 CDs ripped lossless in my Windows Media Center. Hope I can find a good replacement, as I use WMC to stream music around the casa. :shock:

I'm sure there are other programs that will do as good a job as Windows Media Center. Though I suppose I could use an old laptop running Vista as a media center, except I'll have to get a larger hard drive to accommodate all the music files.

Maybe a "nerd" (name used with upmost respect) could start a thread identifying possible solutions for the items not supported in Windows 10?? There are some possible solutions in the PC magazine link.

Or, maybe it is time to upgrade my music system, and look into a receiver with wireless capabilities and other networking possibilities.

Broken Man 1999
“If I cannot drink Bourbon and smoke cigars in Heaven than I shall not go. " -Mark Twain

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