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iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by rakornacki1 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:02 am

Am looking for advice on the new iPad Air 2. Currently have an iPad 2, 16 Gig and using ~50% of its memory.
Am considering buying a new iPad Air 2, but not sure whether to get the 16 Gig or 64 Gig version. Any advice or recommendations would be appreciated.
(I currently do not have a lot of photos, apps, movies, etc. and know that I can store them on iCloud.)

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by TheTimeLord » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:05 am

I will be buying a 64 gig version. If you have any significant amount of music, videos or photos 16 will not be sufficient.
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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by DEBTINATOR » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:27 am

One thing to consider. The operating system keeps getting larger. There is less of the 16 GB free to you for your apps than before. I had trouble installing ios8 on my phone for this very reason. With the increasing camera quality those pictures keep getting bigger!

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Post by TheTimeLord » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:29 am

DEBTINATOR wrote:One thing to consider. The operating system keeps getting larger. There is less of the 16 GB free to you for your apps than before. I had trouble installing ios8 on my phone for this very reason. With the increasing camera quality those pictures keep getting bigger!
Plus they just added slo-mo and time lapse to make video more fun.
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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by climber2020 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:38 am

Last year, I replaced my 16 GB iPad 1 with a 16 GB iPad Air. I've found 16 GB to be more than enough for my use. I don't have any music on it, never take photos with it, and delete apps I no longer use and re-download them later if needed. The two things that take up most of the space are photos and movies, but I only load a few of them on there at any given time. An added side benefit is that the 16 GB models usually have the best resale value.

As an aside, I think it's a pretty low move for Apple to go from 16 to 64 instead of just getting rid of the 16 and making 32 GB the floor.

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Post by Andyrunner » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:56 am

Spoke to a friend who is in IT last night. He pretty much said Apple only makes the 16 gig so they can advertise the price. He he can only put one movie on the ipad at a time.

I was looking at getting an ipad specifically for facetime with parents/grand daughter, but longer term downloading movies for flying with a toddler, I will need movies. Cost of a 64gig sucks. Wish they still did the 32 gig.

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Post by Gecko10x » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:58 am

DEBTINATOR wrote:One thing to consider. The operating system keeps getting larger. There is less of the 16 GB free to you for your apps than before. I had trouble installing ios8 on my phone for this very reason.
climber2020 wrote:As an aside, I think it's a pretty low move for Apple to go from 16 to 64 instead of just getting rid of the 16 and making 32 GB the floor.
I agree. The last iOS update required 6GB of free space (I believe used for unpacking all the installation files), which means if you had a 16GB device, you would only be able to have maybe 8GB of stuff (2 for the OS?, 8 for stuff, 6 free).

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by yukonjack » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:59 am

I was facing the same dilemma when I went to buy an iPhone 6. I played it safe and went with the 64. With photos, apps and music it's pretty easy to get to 16. And as was previously mentioned the OS keep getting bigger.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by climber2020 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:03 am

One option with movies to reduce the amount of space they take up is to take DVDs you own and turn them into m4v files using Handbrake. It's time consuming, but it's something you can set up and leave alone while the computer rips the file. Most of my full length movies are 500 MB in size. The quality is likely not the same as a 4 GB movie downloaded from the iTunes store, but for my travel purposes, I'd rather have 8 acceptable quality movies available than 1 excellent quality movie.

By the way, the iOS update only requires a ton of free space if you update over the air. If you connect it to your computer and update the software that way, you don't need much space at all.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by stan1 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:17 am

32 vs 64 would be a reasonable debate but that's not a choice; 16 vs 64 is easy. Get the 64 unless you need to put a lot of videos on the device then you'll need the 128.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by ReedMan » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:35 am

64 gb.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by furwut » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:59 am

Even if you don't take lots of photos or load movies app sizes themselves are growing. Beautiful large screens like lots of large graphic images.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by SpringMan » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:17 am

Bought my wife the older first retina iPad with only 16GB. It was a pain to upgrade to IOS 8.0 because it required 5GB of free space. That meant deleting all the music and many apps. She can make due with the 16GB but I would recommend 32 or 64GB for a new purchase.
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Post by furwut » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:54 am

SpringMan wrote:Bought my wife the older first retina iPad with only 16GB. It was a pain to upgrade to IOS 8.0 because it required 5GB of free space. That meant deleting all the music and many apps.
FYI,
You can avoid that hassle by connecting the device to a PC running iTunes. That's the approach I'll be using when I update my 16GB iPad to 8.1.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by DVMResident » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:27 pm

Another vote for 64.
At 16, it won't take very long before your premium tech is feeling annoyingly limited.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by enc0re » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:49 pm

64.

For years I have been running iOS devices with 16GB. It took a little management but was always enough. As of this year, I found myself constantly struggling and having to delete stuff to try new apps. As far as I'm concerned 32GB is now the minimum. The fact that the $100 now goes all the way to 64GB makes it a no brainer.

Basically with new 'Retina' level graphics, single games (for example) can take up multiple GB.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by arthurdawg » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:33 pm

64.


16 was inadequate with the original ipads. I'm surprised the air 2 will even offer this option.
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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by mmmodem » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:50 am

16 for me.

$100 is way more valuable to me. I have to delete files every once in awhile. It's no biggie. It boggles my mind why updating via a computer is such a big deal. I always do it this way because a backup is made in case the update fails and I lose all my files. I have 3 movies for my daughter at any given time plus the apps I use. Deleting is mostly for videos and sometimes pictures. Honestly, this is a problem I would have with a 64 or 128 model. Eventually, it will fill up.

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Post by masteraleph » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:39 am

Andyrunner wrote:Spoke to a friend who is in IT last night. He pretty much said Apple only makes the 16 gig so they can advertise the price. He he can only put one movie on the ipad at a time.

I was looking at getting an ipad specifically for facetime with parents/grand daughter, but longer term downloading movies for flying with a toddler, I will need movies. Cost of a 64gig sucks. Wish they still did the 32 gig.
It's worth noting that the pricetag on the 64 gig is at the same level as the 32 gig was previously. The annoyance isn't that they eliminated the 32 and effectively replaced it with 64; it's that they didn't eliminate the 16 gig and price the 32 gig at $499.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by TheTimeLord » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:54 pm

A 64 gb Space Grey WiFi only just landed at my house.
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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by SpringMan » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:50 pm

furwut wrote:
SpringMan wrote:Bought my wife the older first retina iPad with only 16GB. It was a pain to upgrade to IOS 8.0 because it required 5GB of free space. That meant deleting all the music and many apps.
FYI,
You can avoid that hassle by connecting the device to a PC running iTunes. That's the approach I'll be using when I update my 16GB iPad to 8.1.
Good advice, I never thought about that. I was able to update to the current IOS with no difficulty. I have a 64 GB iPod that is loaded with music too. Thanks for the tip.
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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by Toons » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:58 pm

I find 16 gig to be plenty with a couple tablets I own as I store photos on the cloud,or a computer.Regarding Music,I have found myself moving from playing stored music on a computer hard drive or a tablet to streaming from Amazon Prime Music ,Spotify,Pandora as I am usually around wi-fi :happy
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Post by IlliniGuy » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:08 pm

Consider an original iPad Air instead. Prices are $100 less for the same capacity. I just bought a 64 GB model for the price of a 16GB iPad Air 2 from a local Microcenter store. The differences between last year's model and this year's model weren't a big deal to me.

The new 64 GB iPad Air, which I bought for my wife, replaces a 16GB old iPad 2. She is very excited about the larger capacity. 16 GB was tough for her to get by with. Apps for the kids take up a lot of space.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by topos » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:24 pm

Wait for the iPad Air2 to be on sale. I would expect to find it at least $50 off on black Friday at many retail store, like last year.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by e-spice » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:48 pm

I would go with the 64GB. You're in for a real treat. My iPad 3 is my favorite electronic device of all time.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by avenger » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:13 am

I would definitely go with at least the 64 GB.
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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by heartwood » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:29 pm

Hmm.

Two weeks ago I posted http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtop ... 1&t=149120 a more generic capacity question tilted toward the Nexus 9 but referencing the then-current options for the ipad air.

I read those responses as favoring the 16 GB capacity.

What's happened in 2 weeks? Or does putting iPad in the title generate bigger answers?

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by walkabout » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:44 pm

Well, for one thing, when iOS came out, people found that they needed a lot of free space to be able to install the update wirelessly. If they had only 16GB (or, even worse, an iPhone with only 8GB), their update became painful. Either delete stuff from the device to free up space or connect to computer and update that way.

I don't think that I chimed in your thread but, having had two 16GB iPads, I bought a 32GB iPad Air when it came out because I needed more space. I would almost never recommend that anyone buy an iPhone or iPad (since I have Apple products) with the base level of storage. I would recommend going at least one level up which, in the case of the iPad Air 2 is 64GB. That recommendation would be based on my own usage pattern, which includes lots of podcasts, audio books, and video podcasts. The price is $100 more, but, to me, the aggravation of having not quite enough storage is worth the $100.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by heartwood » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:00 pm

Thanks.

I did just check pricing again with the new ipad air 2 v. nexus 9

Ipad 2 air 16GB / 64 GB / 128 GB $499 / $599 / $699 (all wifi models, but wifi + cellular is available)

nexus 9 16GB / 32 GB / NA $399 / $479 / --- (32 GB available in wifi + LTE)

for comparison, old model ipad air was $399 (16GB) and $449 (32GB), so big price bump for Apple.

I'll wait for the nexus 9 reviews and compare again then. Its due to ship Nov 3.

As several have mentioned it all depends upon your use profile and how often you might upgrade.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by Drain » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:14 pm

This largely comes down to how budget-constrained you are. personally, I would not think twice about spending $100 for two or more years of benefit. Sure, I could continue to get by with 16 GB if I really needed to, but I'd be managing storage on a regular basis, and that hurts the experience.

Actually, the last three devices we've bought have had 128 GB. Again...the extra money isn't that big a deal to me with the benefit spread over multiple years, and I'd rather not ever have to manage storage--not because it's difficult, but because it's annoying.

I must mention that we have two young children, so there is lots of HD video at 60+ fps. Maybe if I were by myself, I'd go for 64 GB. But definitely not 16.
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Post by jebmke » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:16 pm

At just over $100 I am tempted by this

http://www.neweggflash.com/Product/34-2 ... 34-231-153
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Post by NYnative » Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:28 pm

128GB on the original iPad Air works very well for me. I store lots of pictures on it for show - over 8K - and that takes a lot of space. The marginal price increase from the 64GB model is small percentage-wise. Since you can't expand or attach an outboard HD, you are stuck with whatever capacity you buy. Might as well spend a few bucks more and not run out of space.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by Leif » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:41 am

Based on your current usage you may be able to get by with 16. I've got a iPad 2 with 16 GB. However, I'm feeling a bit constrained. Everyone uses it differently. I don't think the argument I've heard before, the OS is growing, is a significant factor. I think in your case 16 should work.

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Post by heartwood » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:17 am

heartwood wrote:Thanks.

I did just check pricing again with the new ipad air 2 v. nexus 9

Ipad 2 air 16GB / 64 GB / 128 GB $499 / $599 / $699 (all wifi models, but wifi + cellular is available)

nexus 9 16GB / 32 GB / NA $399 / $479 / --- (32 GB available in wifi + LTE)

for comparison, old model ipad air was $399 (16GB) and $449 (32GB), so big price bump for Apple.

I'll wait for the nexus 9 reviews and compare again then. Its due to ship Nov 3.

As several have mentioned it all depends upon your use profile and how often you might upgrade.
Thanks to all the commentators. I think I agree with the utility of the larger capacity v. the 16 GB version, even based upon my use profile, i.e., I don't watch movies.

Respectfully, I have to ask what does an ipad 2 air 64 GB have for $129 more than a Nexus 9 32 GB that makes it worth the money? Beyond the additional 32 GB. I too can afford it and tend to keep my devices until they die, but its a case of $10 wine or 4 bottles of $30 wine. I'm all for paying for something I'll use, but don't see the selling point, for me, in this case.

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Post by wannabebogler » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:50 am

heartwood wrote: Respectfully, I have to ask what does an ipad 2 air 64 GB have for $129 more than a Nexus 9 32 GB that makes it worth the money? Beyond the additional 32 GB. I too can afford it and tend to keep my devices until they die, but its a case of $10 wine or 4 bottles of $30 wine. I'm all for paying for something I'll use, but don't see the selling point, for me, in this case.
For me, the integration of my other apple devices alone is enough for me to spend the additional $$. I have both android and apple tablets and I don't even pick up the android because of this. But my family has:

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I'm not sure how others feel but over time, I am finding that I prefer smaller sizes on my tablets. I know it sounds silly but the ipad is starting to feel bulky to me. If I'm not working or doing research, I generally prefer the mini or my galaxy phone to surf the web.

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Post by crg11 » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:36 am

It's about the experience to me. All of Apple's devices integrate very well with each other, especially with new features like handoff and continuity. Plus Apple devices tend to last a long time, receive updates for many years, and generally just work.

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Post by Drain » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:12 am

heartwood wrote:Respectfully, I have to ask what does an ipad 2 air 64 GB have for $129 more than a Nexus 9 32 GB that makes it worth the money? Beyond the additional 32 GB.
Well, the additional storage is worth something, so the difference you're asking about isn't really $129. Call it $90, just to pick a conservative number.

As others have stated, there is the integration with other Apple devices. There is also the iOS app ecosystem, which tends to be of somewhat higher quality and with fewer ads than you find on Android. There is also resale value. You may keep your devices until they no longer work, but I prefer to stay more current than that. I don't use a tablet myself, but I replace my phones every couple of years. If I don't, I begin missing features I want. And when I sell my old devices, I get more back for Apple products than I would otherwise.

I also find that, as someone in his middle age, I appreciate not having to think about malware at all on any of my Apple devices. Well, I guess I think about it occasionally with respect to Mac, but I've never had to take any actual steps to avoid it other than to keep my software up to date. That's worth something.

Finally, it seems that Apple is winning on the high end of the price spectrum, and that's where I prefer to be. Ideally, I'd like to pick a platform and then stick with it for the long term. I don't enjoy switching back and forth. I'm confident that Apple will be making the sort of products I want 10 years out into the future, whereas I'm not sure about Android in that regard at all. It's not that Apple always has the best product in a given category at any given moment. That is certainly not the case. But the Apple product is always in, say, the top three or four, so if I stick with Apple, I know I'm getting something reasonably good without having to think much about the decision and without having to switch between platforms and ecosystems. And speaking of switching between ecosystems, there is a cost there. I don't want to invest in both iOS apps and Android apps if I can help it.

Apple is just the best fit for me, and given my preference for sticking with one platform, that means the Apple device in any particular product category is also the best fit.

As an aside, I'd consider Windows phone before Android. I don't like Android's general trend downmarket, and I don't trust it with respect to security.

Easily worth $90 to me. Probably would be worth $190...to me, I mean. This is all personal preference.
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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by gloomydog » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:56 am

I got the ipad air 64 gig last year, at about 30% full now. :(

I wouldn't count on icloud - icloud only has a small space for free, more costs more, per month! And if you back up some stuff you consider essential there (apps) it quickly eats up all the small free space they allow you.

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Post by Leif » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:54 pm

As others have said, the Apple integration with other devices is important. Also, since you already own in iPad 2 there will not be a learning curve to update to the Air 2. Good luck.

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Post by spectec » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:41 pm

On every Apple product I have ever purchased, I always chose the highest capacity option available. Have never regretted doing that, and IMO the price difference isn't enough of an issue to even give it very much thought.
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Post by stan1 » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:13 pm

gloomydog wrote:I got the ipad air 64 gig last year, at about 30% full now. :(

I wouldn't count on icloud - icloud only has a small space for free, more costs more, per month! And if you back up some stuff you consider essential there (apps) it quickly eats up all the small free space they allow you.
Why back up apps on iCloud? Data files, photos etc. I can understand but apps are easy to restore either by downloading again (from Apple/iTunes App store or the App website) -- or buy them on a DVD (Turbo Tax, MS Office).

I find the limits of Dropbox, Google, and iCloud to be a good way to avoid pack rat syndrome.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by walkabout » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:07 pm

Apps are not backed up to iCloud. The fact that you have certain apps installed, the settings for those apps, and any data associated with the apps is backed up. Photos can be backed up as part of the normal backup process, but that is optional. With the new iCloud Drive, photos can be automatically uploaded to icloud (not unlike the DropBox option to automatically upload photos as they are taken). With iCloud Drive, it is no longer as important to include photos in your iPhone backups since they are already stored in the cloud (or can be if you enable iCloud Drive).

When you restore an iPhone/iPad from backup, all apps are reinstalled in the same layout as before. The settings are also restored. The backups are a great way to restore your device if you decide you want to rest it for some reason. Also, if you get a new device it is nice to be able to configure it like your previous devious without a lot of effort on your part.

I think the automatic backupsof iPhones and iPads is probably one of the features I find most useful that I bet a lot of people aren't even aware of.

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Re: iPad Air 2 - 16 or 64 Gig?

Post by stevewolfe » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:35 pm

heartwood wrote:Respectfully, I have to ask what does an ipad 2 air 64 GB have for $129 more than a Nexus 9 32 GB that makes it worth the money? Beyond the additional 32 GB. I too can afford it and tend to keep my devices until they die, but its a case of $10 wine or 4 bottles of $30 wine. I'm all for paying for something I'll use, but don't see the selling point, for me, in this case.
I'm with you on this one. I'll be getting the Nexus 9 to replace my Nexus 7. There is no Apple halo in our house, we're all running Linux laptops / desktops. I appreciate the clean, uncluttered Android experience on the Nexus devices. I'll likely opt for the 16gb version as I stream most everything anyway. 10-20 cached on device albums are plenty for the amount of flying I do along with 40-50 Kindle books. That with my normal list of applications will be swimming in 16gb.

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