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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by MindBogler » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:12 am

The only way to consistently win at roulette is not to play. If you accept that it is a losing proposition and for entertainment only, then go ahead and bet a few spins. I like going to the casino for fun. Blackjack and the poker room are the only places where the odds can be remotely in your favor.

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by Kosmo » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:38 am

I will confirm that the system proposed by wilked will work. Unfortunately, the system in the OP will not.

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by chaz » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:45 am

The house is the big winner.
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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by wilked » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:47 am

protagonist wrote:
sdsailing wrote:Your system attempts to violate the basic rules of probability, which is not possible. As with coin tosses, each spin of the wheel is independent. The patterns that you observe have no influence whatsoever on the next spin.


That is it in a nutshell. You have described nothing in your strategy that would tip the odds in your favor. Same with wilked's "system".


Don't knock it til you try it...

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by kcb203 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:03 am

There is a system of winning at roulette. Unfortunately, using it is a felony. In the late 70s, someone devised a pocket computer that was essentially a timer. Because you can bet after the ball is in motion on the wheel, if you time where the ball is on the wheel in relationship to the spinning wheel, you can, after a lot of data collection, time the ball when the wheel is spun and get feedback from the computer to predict roughly which sector of the wheel the ball will land in. For example, if you divide the 38 numbers into 6 sectors, the computer could predict that the ball would fall in a particular sector. The numbers in each sector are not in numerical order. One wheel diagram shows the numbers in this order: 00-27-10-25-29-12-8-19-31-18-6, etc. If the computer predicted sector 1, you'd bet on 00, 27, 10, 25, 29, and 12.

The advantage with using this computer is about 44%. It's also become very easy for the house to counter because almost nobody bets based on contiguous spots on the wheel, so it draws attention by surveillance. The original development was difficult because of trying to devise a miniature computer back in the 70s and 80s. I wonder if someone has developed a smart-phone app. It would be a felony, but I wonder how casinos combat computer-assisted cheating when everyone has a powerful computer in their pocket.

There's an interesting book about the people who developed the roulette computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eudaemonic_Pie

http://www.amazon.com/The-Eudaemonic-Pi ... emonic+pie

BTW, I'm a former card counter and have read extensively on gambling history and probability.

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by dylanh » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:04 am

MindBogler wrote:The only way to consistently win at roulette is not to play. If you accept that it is a losing proposition and for entertainment only, then go ahead and bet a few spins. I like going to the casino for fun. Blackjack and the poker room are the only places where the odds can be remotely in your favor.



Agree about poker (but you'd better be good and not just think you're good). My understanding with blackjack is that if you know the system, you can get it very close to break even with the house, but even there the odds will never be in your favor.

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by HomerJ » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:04 am

Kosmo wrote:I will confirm that the system proposed by wilked will work. Unfortunately, the system in the OP will not.


At first, I figured wilked's "system" was there was no possible bets...

InvestorNewb wrote:Image


wilked wrote:This forum has helped me, so it is time to help back.

I'm going give you a secret roulette system that really works. It will cut the house advantage to literally nothing, if you believe in it enough to never get frustrated and switch tactics. What I'm going to say may seem strange, but here goes.

First, never bet simply red or black. Also don't bet odd or even. These are equally poor, consistently losing wagers.

Second, don't be suckered into betting zero or double zero, despite what some experts may suggest. This may seem like you're betting with the house, but for technical reasons you are actually betting against the house -- and you are taking the worst of it.

So, in order to negate the house advantage, you MUST stick to straight non-green number bets. All odd red numbers turn out to be bad choices, based on over two trillion computer trials. Don't bet them.

All even black numbers fare poorly, and cannot be bet, for much the same reason, which I won't explain here.

Let's get straight to the money-saving advice. Any bet you decide to make MUST cover only even-red or odd-black numbers. There are no exceptions.

Finally, you need to be very disciplined in excluding the number 30 and the group of consecutive numbers that begins with 11 and continues clockwise through and including 14.

This system may seem mystical, but I take gambling quite seriously, and this works for me.


So you can only bet on numbers that pay 35-1 even though there are 38 numbers on the wheel... I'm not sure why I have to go any farther to say your system fails.

But let's see... even-red = 12,14,16,18,28,30,32,34,36... But we avoid 30 for some reason and 12 and 14

so 16,18,28,32,34,36

black-odd - 11,13,15,17,19,29,31,33,35 - Can't do 11 or 15 for some reason

so 13,17,19,29,31,33,35

So are you saying to only bet on the following numbers 13,16,17,18,19,28,29,31,32,33,34,35,36? Should one bet on all of them? or pick one and stick with it, or just randomly pick between these numbers on each bet.

Actually, I notice that the third set of 12 is highly represented in the subset above... Why not just bet on the third 12 over and over?

Thanks for wasting my time by the way :)

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by investingdad » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:25 am

I'm not sure if this is a serious thread or not...which means I'm pretty gullible, I guess.

In any case, the addition of Zero and Double Zero are what make it impossible for any strategy to win as we (should) all know. Cover all 38 numbers individually and you are guaranteed to win, but only pay out 36 to 1. Bummer.

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by letsgobobby » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:29 am

what amazes me about roulette is when there are two tables, side by side, and one is single zero and one is double zero. And yet people are playing both tables, as if there is no difference between them. :oops:

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by JupiterJones » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:48 am

letsgobobby wrote:what amazes me about roulette is when there are two tables, side by side, and one is single zero and one is double zero. And yet people are playing both tables, as if there is no difference between them. :oops:


Kinda like how people will sit down at a 6-5 "blackjack" table when there's a raft of legitimate 3-2 tables right next to them.

The first rule of gambling is to never play a game you don't understand. Yet people do... :oops:
Stay on target...

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by letsgobobby » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:54 am

Indeed gambling and investing have a great deal in common. So many behavioral traps.

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by protagonist » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:58 am

letsgobobby wrote:Indeed gambling and investing have a great deal in common. So many behavioral traps.


When you superimpose management fees upon the index, you are giving the house the edge. You might still beat the market, but the odds are against you.

WILKED....."Don't knock it till you've tried it" is not a convincing enough argument to convince a rational person. HomerJ took the time to analyze your system and show why it is destined to fail in the long run. You won, I assume, because in the short run, you were lucky, just as I was lucky in the 1990s when I sank about 20% of my portfolio into the Brazilian phone system and sold at the right time. I wasn't a genius.

If you are convinced that you have a system that beats the odds, show us mathematical evidence to back that up.

I'm not saying this to be cantankerous. I'm saying this to save you a lot of money in the long run.

(I'm assuming you already know this. as does the OP about his/her system. Because if you were really convinced the odds were in your favor, you would not be investing, and thus probably not be on this site. You would just be playing roulette. I know that is what I would be doing if I was convinced I could beat the system, since I am convinced (by experience) that I can't beat the stock market. Which is why I agree with the posters who suggest that this may be a fake thread).

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by Dulocracy » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:19 pm

I WON AT ROULETTE! HERE IS HOW:

(No, this is not a joke or spoof- this really happened.) After some time at the blackjack table enjoying free drinks and pretending I was James Bond or some such, my companion indicated it was sexy time. Having had a set amount to lose in gambling (I wanted the experience as a part of my "bucket list"), I had a bit left on the last night.

I walked to the Roulette table. I put my money down. Randomly, I won. I wound up $5.00 ahead from when I started gambling. I was told to stop while you are ahead, so I stopped. (Also, the girl I was with (now an ex) was waiting.)

Similarly, in stocks, I bought BAC (Bank of America) when it was around $7.00 and again at around $5.50. I sold the shares that I bought at $5.50, and have my $7.00 shares. That was pre-boglehead days, but the gamble was similar: I won due to dumb luck.
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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by protagonist » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:25 pm

Dulocracy wrote:I WON AT ROULETTE! HERE IS HOW:

(No, this is not a joke or spoof- this really happened.) After some time at the blackjack table enjoying free drinks and pretending I was James Bond or some such, my companion indicated it was sexy time. Having had a set amount to lose in gambling (I wanted the experience as a part of my "bucket list"), I had a bit left on the last night.

I walked to the Roulette table. I put my money down. Randomly, I won. I wound up $5.00 ahead from when I started gambling. I was told to stop while you are ahead, so I stopped. (Also, the girl I was with (now an ex) was waiting.)



You James Bond, you. Proof that the high roller always gets the girl. But in the long run, I bet you blew the fiver on her. Now the girl and the fiver are gone. School of hard knocks.

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by Kosmo » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:52 pm

HomerJ wrote:
wilked wrote: Let's get straight to the money-saving advice. Any bet you decide to make MUST cover only even-red or odd-black numbers. There are no exceptions.

Finally, you need to be very disciplined in excluding the number 30 and the group of consecutive numbers that begins with 11 and continues clockwise through and including 14.

This system may seem mystical, but I take gambling quite seriously, and this works for me.




So you can only bet on numbers that pay 35-1 even though there are 38 numbers on the wheel... I'm not sure why I have to go any farther to say your system fails.

But let's see... even-red = 12,14,16,18,28,30,32,34,36... But we avoid 30 for some reason and 12 and 14

so 16,18,28,32,34,36

black-odd - 11,13,15,17,19,29,31,33,35 - Can't do 11 or 15 for some reason

so 13,17,19,29,31,33,35

So are you saying to only bet on the following numbers 13,16,17,18,19,28,29,31,32,33,34,35,36? Should one bet on all of them? or pick one and stick with it, or just randomly pick between these numbers on each bet.

Actually, I notice that the third set of 12 is highly represented in the subset above... Why not just bet on the third 12 over and over?

Thanks for wasting my time by the way :)


protagonist wrote:WILKED....."Don't knock it till you've tried it" is not a convincing enough argument to convince a rational person. HomerJ took the time to analyze your system and show why it is destined to fail in the long run. You won, I assume, because in the short run, you were lucky, just as I was lucky in the 1990s when I sank about 20% of my portfolio into the Brazilian phone system and sold at the right time. I wasn't a genius.


Perhaps this image will help all the rational people out there:
Image
wilked's system: Don't bet on 0, 00, even black numbers, odd red numbers, 30, or anything between 11 and 14 inclusive going clockwise.

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by JonnyDVM » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:12 pm

I assume this is a joke but I'm going to bite anyway. There is no "system" to best roulette. None, nada, in fact it offers the amongst the worst odds in the house. Now I did read an article about a family that staked out a roulette pit in an indian casino for months recording all the outcomes over a long period of time and were able to detect a wheel with a statistically significant derivation towards a couple of numbers due to some slight wear defect on the wheel. That was a small edge fleshed out with a huge pile of data. The casino eventually figured out what they are doing. That's the ONE instance of someone being able to beat roulette. If you don't understand the house edge in gambling you should review a statistics text.

Finally- casinos in fact DO NOT like blackjack card counters. Easy way to get tossed.
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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by pjstack » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:18 pm

Hilarious!

Thanks for the visual! It proves his system does work. You will never lose!
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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by HomerJ » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:18 pm

Kosmo wrote:Perhaps this image will help all the rational people out there:
Image
wilked's system: Don't bet on 0, 00, even black numbers, odd red numbers, 30, or anything between 11 and 14 inclusive going clockwise.


Ah, much better... basically it boils down to... there is no number you can bet on.

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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by chaz » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:41 pm

HomerJ wrote:
Kosmo wrote:Perhaps this image will help all the rational people out there:
Image
wilked's system: Don't bet on 0, 00, even black numbers, odd red numbers, 30, or anything between 11 and 14 inclusive going clockwise.


Ah, much better... basically it boils down to... there is no number you can bet on.

So the casino can't win? :)
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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by Dulocracy » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:56 pm

protagonist wrote:
Dulocracy wrote:I WON AT ROULETTE! HERE IS HOW:

(No, this is not a joke or spoof- this really happened.) After some time at the blackjack table enjoying free drinks and pretending I was James Bond or some such, my companion indicated it was sexy time. Having had a set amount to lose in gambling (I wanted the experience as a part of my "bucket list"), I had a bit left on the last night.

I walked to the Roulette table. I put my money down. Randomly, I won. I wound up $5.00 ahead from when I started gambling. I was told to stop while you are ahead, so I stopped. (Also, the girl I was with (now an ex) was waiting.)



You James Bond, you. Proof that the high roller always gets the girl. But in the long run, I bet you blew the fiver on her. Now the girl and the fiver are gone. School of hard knocks.


LOL, that is fair. Both are long gone. :beer
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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by JonnyDVM » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:40 pm

Finally a thread with some comedic value. I appreciate the humor throughout. Unfortunately it really has nothing at all to do with investing. Unless of course you're considering opening a casino. Talk about a high profit business. The government cut on legalized gaming is absurd.
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Re: Help devising winning roulette system

Post by chaz » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:45 pm

JonnyDVM wrote:Finally a thread with some comedic value. I appreciate the humor throughout. Unfortunately it really has nothing at all to do with investing. Unless of course you're considering opening a casino. Talk about a high profit business. The government cut on legalized gaming is absurd.

Gambling is legal because the government needs its revenue.
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