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Post by lmpmd » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:07 pm

I will occasionally take a long walk at night. With or without my dog who isn't that scary. I'm not sure what I'm worried about. A weirdo? A pitbull? I really don't think anything will happen to be me - but I think I'd like to carry something with me. Not a gun. I'm just not into guns - for a bunch of reasons. I'm in the suburbs. What do you people carry with you? I was looking at tactical flashlights. They are so bright they blind people and you can also use them to hit someone. Do you think this is better than carrying pepper spray or a small pocket knife? Any thoughts? Any particular model to recommend?

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Post by gkaplan » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:11 pm

How about a whistle?
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Post by Stonebr » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:12 pm

I don't carry anything. The greatest danger walking at night is from cars. Just be visible.
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Post by leonard » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:14 pm

If you are walking - take a look at a walking stick or set of walking sticks used for hiking. Light but sturdy.

Flashlights are heavy - one swing and if you miss you could be in trouble. Walking sticks you can get off plenty of shots in a hurry.

But, none of this does you any good if the other person has a gun.
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Post by cheese_breath » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:17 pm

Carry them all. You can't be too prepared. As far as a flashlight goes, get one of those long heavy models like to police carry. I don't know about where you live, but where I am even the suburbs aren't as safe as they used to be.
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Post by WendyW » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:21 pm

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Post by MathWizard » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:24 pm

Forget the pocket knife. Too long to get it out, and they'd probably just laugh or get angry.

If you have the slightest worry, walk somewhere else, especially after dark, maybe at a mall.
If you feel relatively safe, the best thing to take with you is another person.
If a person is going to accost someone, they'd rather target a solo person.
The odds of an animal attack are very low, and a weapon would likely not be useful then.

When I run (alone during the daytime) I take a cellphone in case of an injury or a heart attack.

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Post by Easy Rhino » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:29 pm

A flashlight would seem to be useful just in case, you know, it's dark.

A phone in case you need to order a pizza.

Pepper spray would be a fairly low impact (light weight, inconspicuous) item to carry. Might work on a dog that attacks your dog, too (i'm not an expert on animal attacks).

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Post by cheese_breath » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:31 pm

Easy Rhino wrote:A flashlight would seem to be useful just in case, you know, it's dark.

A phone in case you need to order a pizza.

Pepper spray would be a fairly low impact (light weight, inconspicuous) item to carry. Might work on a dog that attacks your dog, too (i'm not an expert on animal attacks).
Would the pepper spray work on the pizza? That way you wouldn't have to carry red pepper with you.
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Post by SteveNet » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:41 pm

WendyW wrote:'
My tactical flashlight.

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+1 except for the color... :wink:

However if you do not wish to carry a gun, how about a walking cane with light and tazer built it?
Just don't violate any laws or taze yourself!

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Post by user5027 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:46 pm

This thread reminded me of Laugh-In's Ruth Buzzi hitting Arte Johnson with her lethal handbag. :D

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Post by Calm Man » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:54 pm

I have taken advanced martial arts training. I have never hit anybody in my entire life but would resort to a quick thrust to the solar plexus and immobilize the attacker. I then could leave, call the police, or deliver another blow.

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Post by SteveNet » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:55 pm

user5027 wrote:This thread reminded me of Laugh-In's Ruth Buzzi hitting Arte Johnson with her lethal handbag. :D
Hopefully he won't encounter any 'wallnettos' sp? along the walk.
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Post by livesoft » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:55 pm

I wear a flourescent lime-green top that is so bright even the skunks run away. The neighbors think I'm a "municipal worker". I don't carry a phone, nor money, nor a wallet. I don't even carry a flashlight, but one could put on one of those red-flashing-LED things.
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Post by reisner » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:00 pm

Against a pit bull a tactical flashlight would be of no use whatsoever. Against a shooter in a crowded movie theater it might be the best defense, especially if other members of the audience deploy their own. Against a mugger, well . . . My Tai Chi (martial arts) instructor bought $10 ones for his diminutive wife and daughter. He thought the flashlights would serve them well, and I'm sure they would, but then he has helped his family train mentally and strategically in self defense.

A knife would require much more training. My instructor teaches Philippine knife fighting as a sport, but he would never use a knife himself for protection. He also teaches stick fighting, but ditto there.

Pepper spray, sometimes mixed with mace and dye, is an excellent self defense tool. Bear Spray is even better. After accompanying my wife to a course for the no-longer required carry permit, taught by the head of San Diego Homicide, I carried mace for years while teaching Humanities at San Diego State. You may raise an eyebrow, but I had at least one disruptive schizophrenic student, four of our professors were murdered by a student during his MA orals, investigators busted 70 people in a drug ring run by a Business major out of his fraternity, and I once sent the entire campus police force in pursuit of a man I'd seen shove .357 under his sweatshirt and head toward the cafeteria. (They caught him.) Sat superque, enough and more than enough to arm yourself.

I often carry a flashlight--and why not make it a $10 tactical--but mainly for the light. If you are trained, some think it the protective weapon of choice. I have carried a pocket knife since I was a kid--except when flying, darnnit. My current favorite has a very sharp and scary-looking four-inch blade that flicks open, but I chose it for everyday tasks, at which it is deployed daily--opening packages, snipping loose threads, cleaning trout, cutting out New Yorker articles. I very occasionally carry pepper spray, say, while walking on a remote beach where there are homeless encampments or out late in a city. I would like to get some pepper spray for fly fishing in Grizzly country--it is more effective in stopping a bear charge instantly than a hunting rifle.

Guns, pink or otherwise, are so bulky that most people I know with carry permits never bother, and if fired they are likely to involve you in legal troubles. I rely on them only when off the grid, which granted is a matter of your state of mind.

Get a can of pepper spray; under twenty bucks. Gun stores tend to sell better stuff than hardware stores. And while walking in the dark carry a flashlight or wear a headlamp--I came late to discovering the usefulness of headlamps, from barbecuing on the patio, changing a tire, noodling about the house during a blackout, taking out the garbage without stepping on a raccoon.

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Post by FNK » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:18 pm

If you're willing to carry the weight, you're looking for the good old Maglite. Put it on your shoulder - shine into eyes - bash the head. If needed, bash again, they'll be disoriented for a while.

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Post by VictoriaF » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:33 pm

reisner wrote:Get a can of pepper spray; under twenty bucks. Gun stores tend to sell better stuff than hardware stores. And while walking in the dark carry a flashlight or wear a headlamp--I came late to discovering the usefulness of headlamps, from barbecuing on the patio, changing a tire, noodling about the house during a blackout, taking out the garbage without stepping on a raccoon.
Many people don't know how to use pepper spray. For example, they can't pull it out quickly enough, point it in the wrong direction, don't account for the wind, etc. If someone is going to rely on pepper spray, they should take a short training session.

I concur with your recommendation of headlamps.

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Post by reisner » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:47 pm

Victoria,

You are right. I received a lot of training for Mace that is important for pepper spray, matters involving wind direction, blowback, and simply familiarizing yourself with the nozzle. People have sprayed themselves, and I actually know a guy (retired law enforcement, duh!) who Tazed himself. Not to mention the legions who have shot themselves (can you say, "Ernest Hemingway"? Okay, but can you say it twice?). The Mace course I took was well worth a morning. Now that such courses are rarely if ever required, at least a scan of YouTube videos--ones that don't begin with "Hey guys!-- is certainly called for before prancing down the street with a pocket full of hot sauce. That's how I learned to turn the pheasant the setter dog and I shot into a delicious curry.

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Post by VictoriaF » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:02 pm

pinecrest wrote:Walking with a swagger may help.

Just be sure not to inadvertantly wear any gang "colors".
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Post by reisner » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:14 pm

Speaking of a swagger. The venerable English umbrella firm of Swaine, Adeney, Brigg (forgive misspellings) once purveyed to gentlemen the "Swagger Dagger," a sword cane. At the time they had a shop on Union Square in San Francisco. I went in, in an inquiring but not moneyed mood. The weapon in the window was not for sale but I was allowed to handle it. Snicker-snack! In fact the sword cane was absolutely illegal under US law. But, Sir, if you have the appropriate paperwork, for a couple of thousand dollars we could sell you the .410 shotgun cane--which was legal!!!!!

Follow up. Just five or so years ago, a thus-purveyed gentleman stabbed an assailant to death on the London Underground. He was brought up on charges of murder that were, amazingly, dismissed. But thereafter the sword cane was banned in Britain as well.

Minor follow up. On a private tour of the House of Commons with my students, I was stopped at security because I was carrying a pocket knife. Snicker-snack! It wasn't a lock-blade. I was allowed in, with the fair-sized knife!
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Post by Higman » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:28 pm

I would recommend carrying a Class IIIa green laser pointer. They are the size of a fountain pen. These are used by astronomy buffs to point to stars. There are very powerful and will temporarily blind an assailant and painfully so.

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Post by shmidds » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:06 pm

Pushing a shopping cart filled with trash is very effective.

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Post by Steelersfan » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:31 pm

I always figured I could outrun anybody who was approaching me as long as I kept a reasonable distance from them. That might entail crossing the street, or increasing or decreasing my pace.

Bad guys aren't fast runners. They specialize in other things.

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Post by Caduceus » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:47 pm

Interesting question. I've taken long walks at night on my own both in the U.S. and overseas, and the only time I wished I had some form of protection was when a stray dog stalked me for quite a bit in Granada. Not sure pepper spray would have worked. More likely to encounter speeding cars and stray animals in the suburbs than anything, I think.

I've never done it myself, but what about self-defense classes if you're really concerned? They might also teach you to evaluate threats. It's not that great an idea to start hitting someone with a stick/flashlight or miss with pepper spray and risk escalating the situation. I'm a believer in trusting one's instincts. I notice how it comes into play much more when I'm traveling solo overseas but it seems to fade into the background back home.

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Post by BigFoot48 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:33 pm

I think a 500+ lumen flashlight, either a small one or a larger Maglight style, would be an excellent thing to carry at a minimum. I see a lot of people getting pepper sprayed on TV and haven't been overly impressed, but the bear spray might do the job although hitting the target at night might be an issue.

A good source of info on LED flashlights is over at Candlepower forums and here's one thread I see on the use of LED flashlights by the police: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/sho ... a9aff3ba80
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Post by 123 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:58 pm

Why not go for long walks before dawn? If you go when it's almost dawn all the bad guys have probably already have taken care of their business and are home. I just don't recall ever hearing about much crime that occurs just before dawn.
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Post by SimonJester » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:07 am

Perhaps the Kimber Pepper blaster, I have always wanted one but they are a little pricey...
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Post by fredjohnson » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:17 am

I do 10 mile unpaved trail runs every Saturday out in the middle of nowhere near the Mpls metro area. Sometimes I don't see even one person on these trails. I always carry MACE along with my water bottle, protein bar and phone. I don't run these trails at night since its too easy to get hurt via sprained ankle, etc. since the trails are not lit. Since you are running/walking at night I would definitely carry mace and I would wear a headlamp, the kind that is bright, LED, affixes to your head with a strap. Same kind I use for hiking in the dark when camping in summer. I carry Saber Red pepper spray/mace for joggers. There is a velcro strap that your hand slips through putting the canister in your fingers. You can unlock and fire the spray in under 2 seconds. It shoots up to 10 feet, 35 one second bursts. Alternatively you can carry a bear mace canister in a holster on your chest. I've done that also. The advantage of a bear mace canister in a holster is that its right in the middle of your chest, so you can fire it in under 2 seconds. AND....it can fire over 20 feet in a big cloud of spray. The canister is larger than the jogger mace, but not terribly heavy. If you are walking and not running, I'd carry the bear mace since the extra weight won't matter. A big heavy flashlight won't help you ward off a determined dog or a criminal. You would most likely drop it anyway before hitting anything with it. Don't carry a knife. Too easy for someone to use against you and you have to be close to them to use it. A gun is a possibility, but ONLY if you have had some training in using it, and can legally carry it in your locality. It is easy to get a conceal and carry permit in MN, but in some States it is nearly impossible. You didn't say if you were a woman or a man. Not to be sexist, but you should carry the mace at a minimum if you are female. I am male, 6'2", 200 lbs and was on the college karate team 4 years in college. I still carry mace.

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Post by fredjohnson » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:19 am

Steelersfan wrote:I always figured I could outrun anybody who was approaching me as long as I kept a reasonable distance from them. That might entail crossing the street, or increasing or decreasing my pace.

Bad guys aren't fast runners. They specialize in other things.
Well, you can't outrun a bad dog.

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Post by Spirit Rider » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:30 am

The problem with most self defense options other than a handgun, is that they require close contact to deploy. Your risk greatly increases inside of 5 yards. People think that simply buying and carrying such an option provides increased security. This is a false sense of security and is generally an illusion.

Most of the options previously identified require a high degree of skill to deploy effectively.

A knife is probably the worst idea. It requires a very high degree of skill to use a knife effectively in self-defense. If you actually stab someone in self-defense, the optics are worse than if you had shot them.

Contrary to common belief it is very difficult to use a tactical flashlight effectively. Swinging or clubbing are very slow highly telegraphed moves. This goes for a walking stick or any other swinging/clubbing weapon.

As has already been stated, pepper spray is not easy to use in a confrontation. It requires specialized training and a decent sized device. It is easily compromised by wind and the fog of battle.

If I was not carrying a gun, I would arm myself with the following in order of importance; situational awareness, cardiovascular conditioning, good running shoes, Streamlight BatonLite (flashlight/kubotan for humans), and pepper spray for animals. With effective training for that last two items.

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Post by The Wizard » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:34 am

Long walks at night, you're likely to stumble on something.
Likelihood of being mugged or similar are minimal unless you;re walking in a significant Crime Zone.
Just wear an LED headlamp and you'll be fine...
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Post by thatwhichisgood » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:44 am

I like a head lamp (on my wrist) for rattlesnake watching and mace on my spouse for the never yet seen mountain lion. Why not both?

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Post by The Wizard » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:49 am

thatwhichisgood wrote:I like a head lamp (on my wrist) for rattlesnake watching and mace on my spouse for the never yet seen mountain lion. Why not both?
Rattlesnakes aren't generally out cruising around at night.
Mountain lions are, so scare them away with your headlamp...
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Post by SteveNet » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:53 am

Spirit Rider wrote:The problem with most self defense options other than a handgun, is that they require close contact to deploy. Your risk greatly increases inside of 5 yards. People think that simply buying and carrying such an option provides increased security. This is a false sense of security and is generally an illusion.

Most of the options previously identified require a high degree of skill to deploy effectively.

A knife is probably the worst idea. It requires a very high degree of skill to use a knife effectively in self-defense. If you actually stab someone in self-defense, the optics are worse than if you had shot them.

Contrary to common belief it is very difficult to use a tactical flashlight effectively. Swinging or clubbing are very slow highly telegraphed moves. This goes for a walking stick or any other swinging/clubbing weapon.

As has already been stated, pepper spray is not easy to use in a confrontation. It requires specialized training and a decent sized device. It is easily compromised by wind and the fog of battle.

If I was not carrying a gun, I would arm myself with the following in order of importance; situational awareness, cardiovascular conditioning, good running shoes, Streamlight BatonLite (flashlight/kubotan for humans), and pepper spray for animals. With effective training for that last two items.
I generally disagree, as most people will not take the time nor have the inclination to become a tactical commando just for simple evening walks.
As the original OP posted...
"I'm not sure what I'm worried about. A weirdo? A pitbull?"
After all a lot of evening walkers are of a age or have physical limitations that would negate conditioning or running shoes as an option, let alone properly wield a kubotan or BatonLite effectively.
At a younger age I consider myself pretty much a bad*** walking the streets of Bed Stuy in Brooklyn. Now at almost 60 not so much. Run? not with a bad knee, hand to hand? Carpal tunnel syndrome operations limit that option.
I carry a side arm legally, but I know thats not for everyone.
A walking stick like I mentioned above with a tazer mounted at the end will quickly dispatch a vicious dog or weirdo venturing too close looking to do harm.
And provide stability as well.
After all I don't think the OP is referencing walking around Brooklyn type neighborhoods at night.
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Post by BC_Doc » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:10 am

Higman wrote:I would recommend carrying a Class IIIa green laser pointer. They are the size of a fountain pen. These are used by astronomy buffs to point to stars. There are very powerful and will temporarily blind an assailant and painfully so.
Would it work against bears and cougars? In daylight too? I find pepper spray too bulky to carry. The laser pointer sounds like an interesting, light weight alternative.

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Post by bottlecap » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:33 am

As someone else suggested, a Maglite will do the trick. Not perfect, but at least it's something. You could get peppper spray, but it's very situational and not perfect either. Given you live in the burbs and aren't really even sure what you're afraid of, I'd think a weighty flashlight that looks like a club would be sufficient. It would make you less of a likely target for humans, at least.

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Post by BC_Doc » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:34 am

The Wizard wrote:
thatwhichisgood wrote:I like a head lamp (on my wrist) for rattlesnake watching and mace on my spouse for the never yet seen mountain lion. Why not both?
Rattlesnakes aren't generally out cruising around at night.
Mountain lions are, so scare them away with your headlamp...
Rattlesnakes love the trails after dark-- the trails are warmer than the grass.
If you're rasslin with a cougar, you'll want something bigger than a teeny-weenie headlamp to fight it off. The mace is a good idea. Those cats are truly scary...

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Post by lightheir » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:00 am

If you're worried about humans, tactical flashlight is great. Not the wimpy maglites, which are puny - you want something with over 250 lumens (LED) - if you're at 500 lumen range, it's literally as bright as a car headlamp on high beams, so picture the stunning effect of staring straight into a car headbeam from close-range (also remember that actual car headbeams are aimed low at the ground, so to properly imagine it, you would be crouching down to get eye level with that 500+ lumen beam. BRIGHT. Like blindingly, staggeringly bright.) It won't solve everything, but you will absolutely have the upper hand from visibility and awareness - even if the enemy attacks, you will still have upper hand even if you lose teh flashlight and their eyes can't adjust to the darkness quickly.

Dogs and other wildlife this may or may not work on.

But the best thing is definitely awareness of surroundings and a safe route.

(I regularly run with a 500+ lumen headlamp at night, so am well familiar with them and the blinding effects.)

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Post by Sconie » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:16 am

WendyW wrote:'
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+1!

Otherwise, you might want to consider a 6 D-cell MagLite:
http://www.maglite.com/product.asp?psc=6DCELL

Carrying one of those is pretty darn close to carrying a baseball bat, if not a club.
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Re: Tactical Flashlight for long walks at night vs. pepper s

Post by mikeast » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:29 am

I always carry pepper spray now when walking my dog. In the 7 years I've had her, my beagle has been attacked three times by other dogs--once in the US and twice
in Europe. As for defense against people--not going alone is probably your best defense.

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Re: Tactical Flashlight for long walks at night vs. pepper s

Post by carolinaman » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:36 am

I always carry flashlight and wear a reflective vest when walking at night. I live in suburbs but we still have an occasional poisonous snake in road or on sidewalk. Flashlight is needed to see where I am walking and what is on sidewalk. If you feel unsafe walking in your environment I would suggest you walk in a more safe place, i.e. mall, gym or treadmill.

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Re: Tactical Flashlight for long walks at night vs. pepper s

Post by Call_Me_Op » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:49 am

I limit my walks to daytime - avoids the whole issue.
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Re: Tactical Flashlight for long walks at night vs. pepper s

Post by yatesd » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:46 am

Call_Me_Op wrote:I limit my walks to daytime - avoids the whole issue.
Depending where you live and if you have a job; but it is almost impossible to walk in the winter without it being dark. Perhaps a treadmill...

Unfortunately, I think it also depends on your likelihood of being a target. As a middle aged man, I feel relatively safe, but cringe at my wife and daughter walking through our neighborhood after dark alone (in which case I would want them to have at least a phone and pepper spray with them).

Edit: Perhaps I should clarify. I believe different environments have different risks. In a bad part of town, my awareness goes up due to the potential of confrontation/gangs. In my suburban neighborhood, the biggest risk is probably sexual predators. In the middle of nowhere, depending on the area, animals and sexual predators are a bigger issue.

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Re: Tactical Flashlight for long walks at night vs. pepper s

Post by Call_Me_Op » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:05 am

Lately, I realized that I can use the long hallways in work to my advantage. I have been taking walks inside of the building. Aside from being stopped now and then by co-workers striking up conversations, I can get in a good mile every day at lunchtime. Better than nothing.
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Re: Tactical Flashlight for long walks at night vs. pepper s

Post by SpringMan » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:08 am

No one has mentioned what might be my biggest fear. Getting questioned and maybe hassled by the police. They look at walking around suburbia at night as suspicious behavior and in many cases rightfully so. In our suburban neighborhood there has been a problem with people on foot looking for unlocked cars, then stealing any contents they can find such as GPS units, MP3 players etc. I forgot to lock my vehicle parked in my own driveway and someone made off with an MP3 player in the glove box and all my music CDs. They had left foot prints in some newly fallen snow, similar foot prints showed they scoped out all my neighbors as well. Police also may even suspect you as a peeping tom if any incidents have recently been reported. Not sure how to prevent looking suspicious, just have a good alibi when they question you. Walking with a dog would help. Maybe do your walking in day light.
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Re: Tactical Flashlight for long walks at night vs. pepper s

Post by likegarden » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:02 am

In my working years I had the habit to leave my desk in a 5th floor office every hour or so, walk down the stairs and out of one entrance of the building, enter into another entrance and walk back up the stairs to get my body moving again. I also do all of my yard work.

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Re: Tactical Flashlight for long walks at night vs. pepper s

Post by Mike Scott » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:41 am

First; you can only reduce risks not completely eliminate them. What are you comfortable with? Maybe you need a gym with an indoor track if you are not comfortable on the street. And if you are really opposed to guns; a dog along with a taser or pepper spray is an alternative. My wife and 3 teenage daughters and I frequently walk alone but with a dog (a fairly well trained german shepard that weighs about as much as the girls). I'm more likely to carry something as well but I enjoy the company of the dog and so she gets a lot of exercise.

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Re: Tactical Flashlight for long walks at night vs. pepper s

Post by fulltilt » Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:15 pm

Don't take anything with you that you don't want used against yourself as a weapon. That pretty much rules out a tactical flashlight, knife, gun and pepper spray.

I would take a fully charged cell phone and bright clothing on your walks.

Learn what constitutes *real* self defense.

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