Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

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Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by EdNorton » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:49 pm

Taking a trip to Death Valley and Palm Springs soon. About 40 years ago, I got a speeding ticket in California and decided not to pay it. Is there a statute of limitations or should I let my wife drive? :sharebeer :sharebeer
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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by PVW » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:54 pm

EdNorton wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:49 pm
:sharebeer :sharebeer
Let your wife drive.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by mhalley » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:56 pm

There is technically no statute of limitations.
Looks like there is a ticket lookup online.
https://getdismissed.com/california-tra ... ket-lookup
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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by H-Town » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:56 pm

EdNorton wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:49 pm
Taking a trip to Death Valley and Palm Springs soon. About 40 years ago, I got a speeding ticket in California and decided not to pay it. Is there a statute of limitations or should I let my wife drive? :sharebeer :sharebeer
If there's a warrant out for you, you probably want to stay out of California. :mrgreen:

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by FrugalConservative » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:58 pm

I'm surprised they havent sold that unpaid ticket to a collection agency.

But yeah, I would probably have the wife drive.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by khh » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:00 pm

Consider wearing a disguise. There could be "wanted" posters.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Doom&Gloom » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:05 pm

How often have you been stopped by the police in the 40 years since you got that ticket? What are the chances of that happening?

What are the odds of them finding a 40 y/o ticket if you are stopped? What is the worst that could happen if they do?

I would do my own driving if that were my preference. If I were terrified of the potential consequences of a 40 y/o ticket, I would drive in a different direction.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by DesertDiva » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:06 pm

Gosh, this is exciting! Keep us posted.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by campy2010 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:08 pm

At this point if it were actually in the system, you would probably have an active bench warrant. If you don't then you're fine. Contact the county and find out. My guess is a 40 year old ticket was never put into the online systems they use today and you're fine.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by dm200 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:08 pm

DesertDiva wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:06 pm
Gosh, this is exciting! Keep us posted.
Yes - maybe we will see you on "America's Most Wanted"

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by oldfatguy » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:12 pm

If you do get pulled over, tell the police you were on your way to turn yourself in.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by finfire » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:13 pm

khh wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:00 pm
Consider wearing a disguise. There could be "wanted" posters.
Ed Norton's so famous in Hollywood/California, even a disguise won't work :)

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Doom&Gloom » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:15 pm

finfire wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:13 pm
khh wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:00 pm
Consider wearing a disguise. There could be "wanted" posters.
Ed Norton's so famous in Hollywood/California, even a disguise won't work :)
May be a different Ed Norton. If so, perhaps he could take Ralph Kramden's bus instead of driving.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by H-Town » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:17 pm

finfire wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:13 pm
khh wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:00 pm
Consider wearing a disguise. There could be "wanted" posters.
Ed Norton's so famous in Hollywood/California, even a disguise won't work :)
He’s Tyler Durden. He has more mischiefs than one would imagine.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Stinky » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:17 pm

oldfatguy wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:12 pm
If you do get pulled over, tell the police you were on your way to turn yourself in.
Better yet, tell them that somebody on the Bogleheads Board said that 40 year old tickets are null and void.

Then, immediately post on the Board to let us know how that turns out. That is, unless they take away internet access in County Jail.
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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by dm200 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:19 pm

oldfatguy wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:12 pm
If you do get pulled over, tell the police you were on your way to turn yourself in.
Or, perhaps, that you are the son (same name, but Junior) of the now deceased speeder from 40 years ago.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Goal33 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:20 pm

dm200 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:19 pm
oldfatguy wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:12 pm
If you do get pulled over, tell the police you were on your way to turn yourself in.
Or, perhaps, that you are the son (same name, but Junior) of the now deceased speeder from 40 years ago.
Or, that your taxes pay their salary. They love that.
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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Jags4186 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:21 pm

I’m going to guess that ticket is in a book, in a warehouse, somewhere, that hasn’t been touched in 30 years.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Jags4186 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:21 pm

Goal33 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:20 pm
dm200 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:19 pm
oldfatguy wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:12 pm
If you do get pulled over, tell the police you were on your way to turn yourself in.
Or, perhaps, that you are the son (same name, but Junior) of the now deceased speeder from 40 years ago.
Or, that your taxes pay their salary. They love that.
As George Carlin said when getting a pulled over, “My taxes pay your salary! Aren’t you a public servant? Get me a glass of water!”

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by WhiteMaxima » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:27 pm

gosh, is this boglehead of deal with traffic ticket. the $100 speeding ticket will compound to $xxxxx after 40 years.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Conch55 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:29 pm

If you drive and are pulled over for speeding just toss the ticket. Worked last time. :beer

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by snackdog » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:38 pm

What would make you less settled - driving with the threat of prison or riding shotgun with the wife at the wheel?

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by bob60014 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:40 pm

The ticket may still be available but the officer that wrote the ticket is retired or dead. As there will be no complaining witness, that being the officer in court, I would think you dont have much to worry about. As always, it depends on the jurisdiction.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by whodidntante » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:41 pm

I did not get a ticket in the early days of America, but now that we've graduated to a young country, there are rules.

If you don't pay cash on the spot, the copper tends to take your license, see? What did you do? Claim your license was lost?

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by whodidntante » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:41 pm

bob60014 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:40 pm
The ticket may still be available but the officer that wrote the ticket is retired or dead. As there will be no complaining witness, that being the officer in court, I would think you dont have much to worry about. As always, it depends on the jurisdiction.
Way to make a poster feel old, lol.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by caffeperfavore » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:41 pm

Put the hammer down and don't let Johnny Law catch ya. Yee haw!

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by inbox788 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm

Doom&Gloom wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:05 pm
What is the worst that could happen if they do?
Well, there could be an unspecified warrant out and they pull you over, and can't find anything in the computer, so they have to take you in...it might take a while to track down the records in the storage warehouses. I've seen on the TV shows that they have 48 hours to hold you without any charges. I wouldn't want to be the rookie cop who let the cereal killer who's been free for 40 years get away. Why else would they keep the arrest warrant in the system so long? How long is this trip? You want to spend days in the slammer? Oh, and they can tack on fines and interest. That $100 ticket from 40 years ago could cost thousands today! In your defense, make sure they supina the officer that wrote the ticket. They might have to summons the dead. I've heard if he doesn't show, you get off free. Whatever happens, you've got an interesting story...

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by dixdak » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:59 pm

Also, worry about the accumulated fines from the unreturned library book from 1979 - "Tropic of Cancer" !

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Doom&Gloom » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:02 pm

inbox788 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm
Doom&Gloom wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:05 pm
What is the worst that could happen if they do?
Well, there could be an unspecified warrant out and they pull you over, and can't find anything in the computer, so they have to take you in...it might take a while to track down the records in the storage warehouses. I've seen on the TV shows that they have 48 hours to hold you without any charges. I wouldn't want to be the rookie cop who let the cereal killer who's been free for 40 years get away. Why else would they keep the arrest warrant in the system so long? How long is this trip? You want to spend days in the slammer? Oh, and they can tack on fines and interest. That $100 ticket from 40 years ago could cost thousands today! In your defense, make sure they supina the officer that wrote the ticket. They might have to summons the dead. I've heard if he doesn't show, you get off free. Whatever happens, you've got an interesting story...
The horror! The horror!

I know people who have had the law show up at their door for unpaid traffic tickets but that was decades ago. If the knock hasn't come by now for a 40 y/o ticket, I wouldn't worry about it. YMMV.

I would do it just for the possibility of a great tale to tell regardless of what happens. (If OP doesn't even get pulled over, he can brag about how he outwitted and dodged the law again and is still on the run.) But that's me.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Shallowpockets » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:02 pm

If you get pulled over tell them it is just a witch-hunt and that there are alternative facts.
Seems to work for some people.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by fposte » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:07 pm

Jags4186 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:21 pm
I’m going to guess that ticket is in a book, in a warehouse, somewhere, that hasn’t been touched in 30 years.
Or in a safe under a condo floor.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by theplayer11 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:11 pm

Shallowpockets wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:02 pm
If you get pulled over tell them it is just a witch-hunt and that there are alternative facts.
Seems to work for some people.
boo.....

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by inbox788 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:36 pm

Doom&Gloom wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:02 pm
inbox788 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm
Doom&Gloom wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:05 pm
What is the worst that could happen if they do?
They might have to summons the dead.
The horror! The horror!

I know people who have had the law show up at their door for unpaid traffic tickets but that was decades ago.
Forgot to link the summons article:

Woman claims dead mother summoned for jury duty, expected in court after death certificate ‘denied’
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=296580&newpost=4870534

In another 40 years, your children could be getting that knock on the door about the unpaid speeding ticket!

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Raymond » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:44 pm

Death Valley?

Just be careful not to end up in the same predicament these poor people got into:

Death Valley Germans - Wikipedia

[Edited to add]:

"The Hunt for the Death Valley Germans" - otherhand.org
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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by snailderby » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:45 pm

khh wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:00 pm
Consider wearing a disguise. There could be "wanted" posters.
+1. I don't want to overreact, but you may also want to fake your death, sell your home, shred all of your identification documents, die your hair, shave your beard or grow a beard, and move to another country.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by seawolf21 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:47 pm

EdNorton wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:49 pm
Taking a trip to Death Valley and Palm Springs soon. About 40 years ago, I got a speeding ticket in California and decided not to pay it. Is there a statute of limitations or should I let my wife drive? :sharebeer :sharebeer
My understanding on statute of limitations is that they have a time limit on issuing the ticket. But since this ticket have been issued, it won't just go away regardless of number of years since the infraction.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Goal33 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:48 pm

seawolf21 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:47 pm
EdNorton wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:49 pm
Taking a trip to Death Valley and Palm Springs soon. About 40 years ago, I got a speeding ticket in California and decided not to pay it. Is there a statute of limitations or should I let my wife drive? :sharebeer :sharebeer
My understanding on statute of limitations is that they have a time limit on issuing the ticket. But since this ticket have been issued, it won't just go away regardless of number of years since the infraction.
+1, see:
snailderby wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:45 pm
khh wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:00 pm
Consider wearing a disguise. There could be "wanted" posters.
+1. I don't want to overreact, but you may also want to fake your death, sell your home, shred all of your identification documents, die your hair, shave your beard or grow a beard, and move to another country.
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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by EdNorton » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:51 pm

I got a speeding ticket 2 weeks ago in Wythville, VA. First one since then.
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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by kacang » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:54 pm

EdNorton wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:51 pm
I got a speeding ticket 2 weeks ago in Wythville, VA. First one since then.
You speed demon, slow down! Was that ticket tossed out the window too?

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by inbox788 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:56 pm

snailderby wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:45 pm
khh wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:00 pm
Consider wearing a disguise. There could be "wanted" posters.
+1. I don't want to overreact, but you may also want to fake your death, sell your home, shred all of your identification documents, die your hair, shave your beard or grow a beard, and move to another country.
That's a little overboard, don't you think? I'd just put on some makeup to make me older and a gray wig or go bald. You know, pretend to be older than the pictures in the wanted poster.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by The Outsider » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:57 pm

EdNorton wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:51 pm
I got a speeding ticket 2 weeks ago in Wythville, VA. First one since then.
As a repeat offender this may be germane to you:

6 traits that lead to criminal behavior

https://www.policeone.com/corrections/a ... aZbdKL1ot/

Good luck in breaking the cycle

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Doom&Gloom » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:01 pm

kacang wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:54 pm
EdNorton wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:51 pm
I got a speeding ticket 2 weeks ago in Wythville, VA. First one since then.
You speed demon, slow down! Was that ticket tossed out the window too?
uh-oh! A habitual offender.

Most BHs would have posted asking questions about how to avoid paying the recent one. Kudos for taking first things first!

And, seriously, kudos for taking some of these replies in the good nature they were intended--including some of mine. Most of all, enjoy your trip! :beer

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by ivk5 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:08 pm

Thread of the day.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by veggivet » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pm

I'd put a radar detector on that Christmas gift list if I were you... :D
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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Random Musings » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:13 pm

A non event. Maybe. Because this is CA that you are taking about.

California, where the law only applies to the law abiding.

I'm joking about the first line, that info is deeply buried in a box somewhere.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by beehivehave » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:13 pm

Random Musings wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:13 pm
A non event. Maybe. Because this is CA that you are taking about.

California, where the law only applies to the law abiding.

I'm joking about the first line, that info is deeply buried in a box somewhere.

RM
Nonsense.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by tomd37 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:20 pm

EdNorton - I thought they turned out the lights in Wythville many years ago! My last stop there was in 1976. Were you on I-81 in their patrol area?
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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by an_asker » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:23 pm

DesertDiva wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:06 pm
Gosh, this is exciting! Keep us posted.
Looking forward to seeing OP on the evening news. OP, please do drive!

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by JoeRetire » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:25 pm

EdNorton wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:49 pm
About 40 years ago, I got a speeding ticket in California and decided not to pay it. Is there a statute of limitations or should I let my wife drive? :sharebeer :sharebeer
Let your wife drive.

But first ask her how many outstanding speeding tickets she has chosen not to pay, and where they were issued.
Don't be a lemming.

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Re: Unpaid speeding ticket from 40 years ago.

Post by Trader Joe » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:26 pm

EdNorton wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:49 pm
Taking a trip to Death Valley and Palm Springs soon. About 40 years ago, I got a speeding ticket in California and decided not to pay it. Is there a statute of limitations or should I let my wife drive? :sharebeer :sharebeer
If you have renewed (or applied for a new) drivers license in any U.S. state within the last 6 years without incident, then you will have no issue. If you did have an issue then you should be concerned.

National Problem Driver Pointer System (PDPS):

https://www.aamva.org/PDPS/

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