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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:08 am
by VictoriaF
Leeraar wrote:CBS News says there is a "sell off" on Wall Street.

My IPS says I must post a message in this thread when that occurs.

L.
Does your IPS command your messages to self-destruct when the market direction reverses?

Victoria

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:36 pm
by cfs
Dow down 99.99?

Relax, Santa Claus Rally is just around the corner !!!

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:43 pm
by Leeraar
VictoriaF wrote:
Leeraar wrote:CBS News says there is a "sell off" on Wall Street.

My IPS says I must post a message in this thread when that occurs.

L.
Does your IPS command your messages to self-destruct when the market direction reverses?

Victoria
No, my IPS says I should waste time posting messages on Bogbleheads rather than tinkering with my investments.

L.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:50 pm
by Noobvestor
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I see a crash in 08/09, a few bumps in the road in 10 and 11, but not much to write home about since then.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:59 pm
by VictoriaF
Leeraar wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:
Leeraar wrote:CBS News says there is a "sell off" on Wall Street.

My IPS says I must post a message in this thread when that occurs.

L.
Does your IPS command your messages to self-destruct when the market direction reverses?

Victoria
No, my IPS says I should waste time posting messages on Bogbleheads rather than tinkering with my investments.

L.
I should include this provision in my IPS, so that I will never again feel guilty for wasting my time posting.

Victoria

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:07 pm
by Leeraar
VictoriaF wrote:
Leeraar wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:
Leeraar wrote:CBS News says there is a "sell off" on Wall Street.

My IPS says I must post a message in this thread when that occurs.

L.
Does your IPS command your messages to self-destruct when the market direction reverses?

Victoria
No, my IPS says I should waste time posting messages on Bogbleheads rather than tinkering with my investments.
I should include this provision in my IPS, so that I will never again feel guilty for wasting my time posting.

Victoria
:D :D

Is there an award for reply of the year?

L.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:19 pm
by ofcmetz
cfs wrote:Dow down 99.99?

Relax, Santa Claus Rally is just around the corner !!!

Maybe the Santa Claus rally isn't real. Maybe it's just something our parents made up to make us want to hold stocks in December. :shock:

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:21 pm
by zaboomafoozarg
Noobvestor wrote:
ivyhedge wrote:Our shiba inu saw Bloomberg this morning and said, "much sell". I responded, "many buy".
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Gonna buy those stocks with dogecoin? :D

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:44 am
by riptide
What do all these people buy with ?! I have no liquid money to buy while supporting my family with my income. My investments are separate. Do they mean they are re-balancing and buying all these stocks with the Oil & Stock current crash or is it a downturn??

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:02 am
by Jfet
riptide wrote:What do all these people buy with ?! I have no liquid money to buy while supporting my family with my income. My investments are separate. Do they mean they are re-balancing and buying all these stocks with the Oil & Stock current crash or is it a downturn??
I keep a portion of my investments in really short term 0% bonds. They have pictures of famous people on them.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:19 am
by nordlead
riptide wrote:What do all these people buy with ?! I have no liquid money to buy while supporting my family with my income. My investments are separate. Do they mean they are re-balancing and buying all these stocks with the Oil & Stock current crash or is it a downturn??
Which people are we talking about here? People in general, posters on this forum, someone in a specific news article?

I have plenty of liquid assets myself. They mostly compose of my EF and my next IRA contribution. I could time my IRA contribution if I feel the stock prices are artificially low, otherwise I can hold on to them to keep liquidity up until I'm ready to buy. I can also raid the EF, make a purchase and rebuild the EF later (it would have to be a huge crash and I'd have to be confident my job was secure). I won't really be ready to buy until I can officially do my taxes because I only want to put enough in my tIRA to get the savers credit, and the rest can go in a Roth IRA.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:15 pm
by cfs
ofcmetz wrote:
cfs wrote:Dow down 99.99?

Relax, Santa Claus Rally is just around the corner !!!

Maybe the Santa Claus rally isn't real. Maybe it's just something our parents made up to make us want to hold stocks in December. :shock:
It is real and it is just around the corner . . . this time Santa is moving slowly.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:26 pm
by Jfet
cfs wrote: Maybe the Santa Claus rally isn't real. Maybe it's just something our parents made up to make us want to hold stocks in December. :shock:

I have milk and HFT pennies out on the table just in case...

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:28 pm
by flyingaway
cfs wrote:
ofcmetz wrote:
cfs wrote:Dow down 99.99?

Relax, Santa Claus Rally is just around the corner !!!

Maybe the Santa Claus rally isn't real. Maybe it's just something our parents made up to make us want to hold stocks in December. :shock:
It is real and it is just around the corner . . . this time Santa is moving slowly.
Made a small buy in taxable account today. Could not resist. Money is there for Roth IRA after the new year, but just thought it might be better to make small buys in taxable before that.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:32 pm
by VictoriaF
cfs wrote:
ofcmetz wrote:
cfs wrote:Dow down 99.99?

Relax, Santa Claus Rally is just around the corner !!!
Maybe the Santa Claus rally isn't real. Maybe it's just something our parents made up to make us want to hold stocks in December. :shock:
It is real and it is just around the corner . . . this time Santa is moving slowly.
I am not asking Santa for much. All I want is for S&P to be above 2000. S&P2K has a nice ring to it.

Victoria

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:51 pm
by mickeyd
Why do we keep digging up this old dog?

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:55 pm
by VictoriaF
mickeyd wrote:Why do we keep digging up this old dog?
Long threads strengthen the sense of community.

Victoria

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:01 pm
by protagonist
VictoriaF wrote:
mickeyd wrote:Why do we keep digging up this old dog?
Long threads strengthen the sense of community.

Victoria
That's what Ariadne said.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:06 pm
by VictoriaF
protagonist wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:
mickeyd wrote:Why do we keep digging up this old dog?
Long threads strengthen the sense of community.
That's what Ariadne said.
Based on Wikipedia, Ariadne had a strong record in mazes and labyrinths. She's be a valuable contributor to this community.

Victoria

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:09 pm
by mickeyd
VictoriaF wrote:
mickeyd wrote:Why do we keep digging up this old dog?
Long threads strengthen the sense of community.

Victoria

Well I do feel stronger, now that you mention it.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:33 pm
by oldzey
mickeyd wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:
mickeyd wrote:Why do we keep digging up this old dog?
Long threads strengthen the sense of community.

Victoria

Well I do feel stronger, now that you mention it.
I'm a stronger buyer of cheaper index funds.

Gotta love it when dog food is on sale! :D

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:54 pm
by Browser
They all sing and chant as we move nearer to the cliff.... :shock: :shock: :shock:

Don't forget the dreaded Hindenburg Omen that recently appeared...

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:58 pm
by TradingPlaces
Why is it, that, on every forum, the longest running threads are always titled:

- US stocks in freefall,
- discuss the recent volatility in stock markets,
- what's up with stocks going down.

And surprizingly, these threads are started:

- fall / summer 2008,
- late summer 2011,
- etc.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:08 pm
by oragne lovre
ofcmetz wrote:
cfs wrote:Dow down 99.99?

Relax, Santa Claus Rally is just around the corner !!!

Maybe the Santa Claus rally isn't real. Maybe it's just something our parents made up to make us want to hold stocks in December. :shock:
Santa Claus is just around the corner and probably going to give well-behaved buy-and-hold folks sweet gifts.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:21 pm
by oragne lovre
TradingPlaces wrote:Why is it, that, on every forum, the longest running threads are always titled:

- US stocks in freefall,
- discuss the recent volatility in stock markets,
- what's up with stocks going down.
Because pre-cortex area needs support to suppress the amygdala.
And surprizingly, these threads are started:

- fall / summer 2008,
- late summer 2011,
- etc.
Because our brains are wired to archive painful perception longer than pleasant one.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:45 pm
by Clearly_Irrational
TradingPlaces wrote:Why is it, that, on every forum, the longest running threads are always titled:
Simple, for the vast majority of investors their true risk tolerance is lower than their need for risk. Personally I'd really prefer if the maximum downside on my portfolio was about 10%, but there is no way I'm going to achieve my goals with 80% bonds.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:22 am
by Browser
At current valuation levels, a prudent strategy would be to adopt a conservative AA and plan to save more to compensate. The immortality of this thread is testament to the anxiety about stocks. Sell some stocks, sleep better.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:27 am
by Tom_T
How come we didn't have a thread this year called "Interest rates in freefall"? :)

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:29 am
by VictoriaF
Browser wrote:At current valuation levels, a prudent strategy would be to adopt a conservative AA and plan to save more to compensate. The immortality of this thread is testament to the anxiety about stocks. Sell some stocks, sleep better.
Your statement is immortal.

Victoria

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:29 am
by nisiprius
Browser wrote:At current valuation levels, a prudent strategy would be to adopt a conservative AA and plan to save more to compensate. The immortality of this thread is testament to the anxiety about stocks. Sell some stocks, sleep better.
+1

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:17 pm
by cfs
[OT comments removed by admin LadyGeek]

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:55 pm
by roymeo
VictoriaF wrote:
protagonist wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:
mickeyd wrote:Why do we keep digging up this old dog?
Long threads strengthen the sense of community.
That's what Ariadne said.
Based on Wikipedia, Ariadne had a strong record in mazes and labyrinths. She's be a valuable contributor to this community.

Victoria
I found I had just as good a chance getting out of her maze of conversation by taking a random walk as I did planning my responses.

roymeo

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:08 pm
by CoAndy
The St. Nick rally has begun. S&P 500 up 2.23% today. :sharebeer

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:10 pm
by VictoriaF
VictoriaF wrote:
cfs wrote:
ofcmetz wrote:
cfs wrote:Dow down 99.99?

Relax, Santa Claus Rally is just around the corner !!!
Maybe the Santa Claus rally isn't real. Maybe it's just something our parents made up to make us want to hold stocks in December. :shock:
It is real and it is just around the corner . . . this time Santa is moving slowly.
I am not asking Santa for much. All I want is for S&P to be above 2000. S&P2K has a nice ring to it.

Victoria
Thank you, Santa!

Victoria

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:17 pm
by cfs
CoAndy wrote:The St. Nick rally has begun. S&P 500 up 2.23% today. :sharebeer
Good day in the markets . . . for a change.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:17 pm
by Browser
CoAndy wrote:The St. Nick rally has begun. S&P 500 up 2.23% today. :sharebeer
[OT comment removed by admin LadyGeek] But for now, the shorts had to cover and we have a little candycane rally. But tomorrow?

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:32 pm
by surfstar
My 457 contribution goes through tomorrow, so hopefully it drops back down! ;)

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:43 pm
by LadyGeek
Please stay on topic, which is tracking the US stock market.

Comments related to the recent meeting of the US Fed are off-topic (political).

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:08 pm
by Browser
What if this guy shows up instead of Santa?

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:44 am
by cfs
Browser wrote:What if this guy shows up instead of Santa?
Well, Shipmate Browser, Santa is just warming up . . . the big guy is about to sing.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:12 am
by 22twain
Boing! I missed the bottom again, just as I was about to do my Roth contribution for this year. :oops:

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:55 pm
by Browser
cfs wrote:
Browser wrote:What if this guy shows up instead of Santa?
Well, Shipmate Browser, Santa is just warming up . . . the big guy is about to sing.
Ho! Ho! Ho! Just make sure to keep your return receipt in case what he leaves turns out to be a dud later. :wink:

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:44 pm
by Leeraar
No one noticed that the Swiss have adopted a negative interest rate to keep out the rabble rouble. Down 300 tomorrow because of "European currency concerns"?

L.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:55 pm
by cfs
Leeraar wrote:No one noticed that the Swiss have adopted a negative interest rate to keep out the rabble rouble. Down 300 tomorrow because of "European currency concerns"?

L.
Good point by shipmate Leerar, and as I understand (from reading BBC news early today) this takes effect in mid January 2015 affecting large banks and companies. Oh by the way, negative rate means you pay the bank to deposit your money, isn't that nice?

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:57 pm
by chaz
No freefall today. :D

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:59 pm
by Toons
chaz wrote:No freefall today. :D
Trampoline Bounce :happy

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:04 pm
by flyingaway
It will not be a happy Christmas if S&P 500 is not at all time high at the end of the year.

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:05 pm
by cfs
Toons wrote:
chaz wrote:No freefall today. :D
Trampoline Bounce :happy
Shipmates, major indexes are smoking but the NYSE and the NASDAQ are still open. Celebrate proceed with caution

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:11 pm
by The Wizard
Toons wrote:
chaz wrote:No freefall today. :D
Trampoline Bounce :happy
A lot better than a Dead Cat Bounce...

Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:55 pm
by scone
NASDAQ certainly has been cray-cray the last couple of years. Coming back close to where it was just before the tech wreck. I'm getting flashbacks. :shock: