Getting there!flyingaway wrote:It will not be a happy Christmas if S&P 500 is not at all time high at the end of the year.
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[major indexes are smoking] Well, I guess the early gains did not go up in smoke at the end of the day.cfs wrote:Shipmates, major indexes are smoking but the NYSE and the NASDAQ are still open. Celebrate proceed with cautionToons wrote:Trampoline Bouncechaz wrote:No freefall today.
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It looks like we are not going to eat (dead) cat food any time soon.The Wizard wrote:A lot better than a Dead Cat Bounce...Toons wrote:Trampoline Bouncechaz wrote:No freefall today.
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The market has been on fire the past two days. We're almost back to where we were before the little crash, if you can call it that.
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Just goes to show you can't keep a bad market down these days.InvestorNewb wrote:The market has been on fire the past two days. We're almost back to where we were before the little crash, if you can call it that.
We don't know where we are, or where we're going -- but we're making good time.
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I just noticed:
The (adjusted*) opening price of VTSMX (Vanguard Total Stock Market) in 2010 was 25.16. Today's value is 51.77.
More than double in a touch under five years. Enjoying the ride!
L.
* Total return, data from Yahoo Finance.
The (adjusted*) opening price of VTSMX (Vanguard Total Stock Market) in 2010 was 25.16. Today's value is 51.77.
More than double in a touch under five years. Enjoying the ride!
L.
* Total return, data from Yahoo Finance.
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...and it's back.
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Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.
A fool and his money are good for business.
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Well, shipmate Ned, that's why we keep dropping by here, just to show that in the markets nobody knows nothing.nedsaid wrote:Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.
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Leaving aside you won't know if we are at all time high at the end of December 4 trading days earlier, if it is at an all time high on a day before the last trading day and 0.1% down the last day are you going to drown your sorrows New Years Eve?thenextguy wrote:Getting there!flyingaway wrote:It will not be a happy Christmas if S&P 500 is not at all time high at the end of the year.
We live a world with knowledge of the future markets has less than one significant figure. And people will still and always demand answers to three significant digits.
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This thread is an instance of financial porn. Ms. Market keeps alternating between being a fallen woman and high nobility, and we all are watching her in awe.cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Ned, that's why we keep dropping by here, just to show that in the markets nobody knows nothing.nedsaid wrote:Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.
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It's awesome.VictoriaF wrote:This thread is an instance of financial porn. Ms. Market keeps alternating between being a fallen woman and high nobility, and we all are watching her in awe.cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Ned, that's why we keep dropping by here, just to show that in the markets nobody knows nothing.nedsaid wrote:Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.
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I particularly admire how she refuses to be simulated (and stimulated) by Monte Carlo.chaz wrote:It's awesome.VictoriaF wrote:This thread is an instance of financial porn. Ms. Market keeps alternating between being a fallen woman and high nobility, and we all are watching her in awe.cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Ned, that's why we keep dropping by here, just to show that in the markets nobody knows nothing.nedsaid wrote:Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.
Victoria
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Personally, I do not take this thread seriously at all. I see it as a cynical satire on the daily noise.
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And I concur !!!Leeraar wrote:Personally, I do not take this thread seriously at all. I see it as a cynical satire on the daily noise.
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Exactly, out of the 22 pages thus far you will find some good nuggets however. Its a nice place to not have to be so seriousLeeraar wrote:Personally, I do not take this thread seriously at all. I see it as a cynical satire on the daily noise.
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A new all-time high for the S&P 500 today- or close to it. Should the title of this thread be updated?
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No, as it's time to shift your focus to the Boglehead Contest 2014. The latest discussion thread is here: BOGLEHEAD CONTEST -- November 2014
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This is why I ignore the talking heads de jour. Sure, they're right once in a while and that gathers them attention. But if enough people make enough predictions SOME of them are going to be right.cfs wrote:Smoking!
And talking about smoking . . . http://www.businessinsider.com/meredith ... ce-2014-12
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IMO, whats smoking here is Elena Holodny.cfs wrote:Smoking!
And talking about smoking . . . http://www.businessinsider.com/meredith ... ce-2014-12
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We seemed to have all time high today. Merry Christmas!!!
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Thanks shipmate LG, if I finish in the top 10 then we had a very productive year in the market.LadyGeek wrote:No, as it's time to shift your focus to the Boglehead Contest 2014. The latest discussion thread is here: BOGLEHEAD CONTEST -- November 2014
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As of this writing, the Dow is Seventeen Going on Eighteen, and thus has passed the dangerous threshold of
You are sixteen going on seventeen
Baby, it's time to think
Better beware, be canny and careful
Baby, you're on the brink
Are there freefalls on the other side of the brink?
Victoria
You are sixteen going on seventeen
Baby, it's time to think
Better beware, be canny and careful
Baby, you're on the brink
Are there freefalls on the other side of the brink?
Victoria
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There are none
No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.
No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.
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Yet there will be fluctuations, and maybe a black swan.cfs wrote:There are none
No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.
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The idea that as old farts we'll be reduced to eating dogfood or catfood from cans is ridiculous. Have you checked the price of canned petfood lately? Actually, we'll have to eat the dry petfood from bags instead. Or maybe spam.
We don't know where we are, or where we're going -- but we're making good time.
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A balanced diet?Browser wrote:The idea that as old farts we'll be reduced to eating dogfood or catfood from cans is ridiculous. Have you checked the price of canned petfood lately? Actually, we'll have to eat the dry petfood from bags instead. Or maybe spam.
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Well, shipmate Chaz, that's why those in retirement (me) need to have a "capital preservation/loss prevention/black swan ready" type of portfolio.chaz wrote:Yet there will be fluctuations, and maybe a black swan.cfs wrote:There are none
No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.
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If you can add "black swans" to your diet, then we'll be covered in old age. But are they a protected species? Maybe "black rats" would be a nutritionally adequate substitute.cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Chaz, that's why those in retirement (me) need to have a "capital preservation/loss prevention/black swan ready" type of portfolio.chaz wrote:Yet there will be fluctuations, and maybe a black swan.cfs wrote:There are none
No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.
We don't know where we are, or where we're going -- but we're making good time.
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I don't know if there will be falls....... "but there will be dancing".VictoriaF wrote:As of this writing, the Dow is Seventeen Going on Eighteen, and thus has passed the dangerous threshold of
You are sixteen going on seventeen
Baby, it's time to think
Better beware, be canny and careful
Baby, you're on the brink
Are there freefalls on the other side of the brink?
Victoria
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Browser wrote:If you can add "black swans" to your diet, then we'll be covered in old age. But are they a protected species? Maybe "black rats" would be a nutritionally adequate substitute.cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Chaz, that's why those in retirement (me) need to have a "capital preservation/loss prevention/black swan ready" type of portfolio.chaz wrote:Yet there will be fluctuations, and maybe a black swan.cfs wrote:There are none
No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.
If the chickens come home to roost and the wolves are howling at the door.....we'll just eat 'em.
"..the cavalry ain't comin' kid, you're on your own..."
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Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.
http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan
L.
http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan
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Dow top 18000 and S&P top 2080 are my expectations for 2014. They are there, and I hope they keep there to the end of this year. No further advance is necessary (for me).
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The chickens or the wolves?peppers wrote:If the chickens come home to roost and the wolves are howling at the door.....we'll just eat 'em.
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Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.
http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan
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People in New Zealand? They were hunted to extinction in NZ before Europeans arrived, They have since been repopulated, perhaps naturally, from Australia.cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.
http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan
L.
I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it.
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I think Victoria would not kill one, but would run from it. Notice her avatar.Leeraar wrote:People in New Zealand? They were hunted to extinction in NZ before Europeans arrived, They have since been repopulated, perhaps naturally, from Australia.cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.
http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan
L.
I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it.
L.
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How little you know shipmate Victoria!chaz wrote:I think Victoria would not kill one, but would run from it. Notice her avatar.Leeraar wrote:cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.
http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan
L.
I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it.
L.
She does not respond to Black Swans with fight or flight. Rather, she seeks to understand and appreciate them. Without Black Swans, life is meaningless.
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You can get what you want, or you can just get old. (Billy Joel, "Vienna")
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shipmate Victoria sounds like Munchkin Man.VictoriaF wrote:How little you know shipmate Victoria!chaz wrote:I think Victoria would not kill one, but would run from it. Notice her avatar.Leeraar wrote:cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.
http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan
L.
I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it.
L.
She does not respond to Black Swans with fight or flight. Rather, she seeks to understand and appreciate them. Without Black Swans, life is meaningless.
Victoria
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Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.
http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan
L.
I miss shipmate Munchkin Man.chaz wrote:shipmate Victoria sounds like Munchkin Man.VictoriaF wrote:How little you know shipmate Victoria!chaz wrote:I think Victoria would not kill one, but would run from it. Notice her avatar.Leeraar wrote:cfs wrote: Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?
I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it.
L.
She does not respond to Black Swans with fight or flight. Rather, she seeks to understand and appreciate them. Without Black Swans, life is meaningless.
Victoria
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Well, shipmate FA, [at least for today] you have them exactly where you wanted them.flyingaway wrote:Dow top 18000 and S&P top 2080 are my expectations for 2014. They are there, and I hope they keep there to the end of this year. No further advance is necessary (for me).
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And there is more !!!!cfs wrote:Smoking!
But wait! There is more! ====> http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/12/meredi ... edge-fund/
This millionaire was expecting 12-17 percent in gains and now he wants his money back ====> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-2 ... crest.html
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This year is done for me (thankfully). As I mentioned in another thread, I need my portfolio to grow 33% more to reach my minimum financial independence. (Three more years to go).cfs wrote:Well, shipmate FA, [at least for today] you have them exactly where you wanted them.flyingaway wrote:Dow top 18000 and S&P top 2080 are my expectations for 2014. They are there, and I hope they keep there to the end of this year. No further advance is necessary (for me).
By the way, shipmate CFS, which ship are we on?
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I love the side bar stories:
Oil Will Stay at These Lower Levels Permanently: Silipo
Saudi’s Naimi Says $20 Oil Is Possible: Telegraph
Does "[current trend] will last forever" ever get old?
Oil Will Stay at These Lower Levels Permanently: Silipo
Saudi’s Naimi Says $20 Oil Is Possible: Telegraph
Does "[current trend] will last forever" ever get old?
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Good question by our shipmate FA, aboard Admiral Horatio Nelson's Flagship, HMS Vanguard.flyingaway wrote:This year is done for me (thankfully). As I mentioned in another thread, I need my portfolio to grow 33% more to reach my minimum financial independence. (Three more years to go).cfs wrote:Well, shipmate FA, [at least for today] you have them exactly where you wanted them.flyingaway wrote:Dow top 18000 and S&P top 2080 are my expectations for 2014. They are there, and I hope they keep there to the end of this year. No further advance is necessary (for me).
By the way, shipmate CFS, which ship are we on?
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Freefall today?
No, down for the day but up for the year.
Overall good year in the markets except for those 100% in energy or precious metals.
Good luck in 2015.
No, down for the day but up for the year.
Overall good year in the markets except for those 100% in energy or precious metals.
Good luck in 2015.
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