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ruralavalon wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:52 am
J G Bankerton wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:17 pm The best days are when stocks free-fall in the morning and then soar after I buy the dip. :greedy
Holy day trading :shock: , on Bogleheads, no less.
I never sell because of taxes, I only buy, there is no trading.
ruralavalon wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:05 am Since the start this thread on August 11, 2011 total return of Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund Admiral Shares (VTSAX) is up 209%, and $10,000 invested has turned into $30,926. Morningstar (08/11/2011 to date), ...
That is before taxes.
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J G Bankerton wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:01 pm
ruralavalon wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:52 am
J G Bankerton wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:17 pm The best days are when stocks free-fall in the morning and then soar after I buy the dip. :greedy
Holy day trading :shock: , on Bogleheads, no less.
I never sell because of taxes, I only buy, there is no trading.
ruralavalon wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:05 am Since the start this thread on August 11, 2011 total return of Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund Admiral Shares (VTSAX) is up 209%, and $10,000 invested has turned into $30,926. Morningstar (08/11/2011 to date), ...
That is before taxes.
Only the little people pay taxes.
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J G Bankerton wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:01 pm
ruralavalon wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:52 am
J G Bankerton wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:17 pm The best days are when stocks free-fall in the morning and then soar after I buy the dip. :greedy
Holy day trading :shock: , on Bogleheads, no less.
I never sell because of taxes, I only buy, there is no trading.
ruralavalon wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:05 am Since the start this thread on August 11, 2011 total return of Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund Admiral Shares (VTSAX) is up 209%, and $10,000 invested has turned into $30,926. Morningstar (08/11/2011 to date), ...
That is before taxes.
Most of have most of our investments bin tax-advantaged accounts.

Even In a taxable account --

1) there are no capital gains distributions, so not as much lost to taxes as others; and

2) there are taxes on distributed divivends, but I still prefer dividends to no dividends.

In any event the thread is about the U.S. stock market supposed to be in '"free fall ".
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ruralavalon wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:20 pm
In any event the thread is about the U.S. stock market supposed to be in '"free fall ".
True but we can't get a good free-fall going.
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J G Bankerton wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:51 pm True but we can't get a good free-fall going.
S&P500 down 10pts today. The free fall has begun! 8-)
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AerialWombat wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:59 pm
J G Bankerton wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:51 pm True but we can't get a good free-fall going.
S&P500 down 10pts today. The free fall has begun! 8-)
This free fall?

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Or this one?

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3,004.04 −10.26 (0.34%)
Jul 16, 5:04 PM EDT

No freefall today.
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Trader Joe wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:13 pm 3,004.04 −10.26 (0.34%)
Jul 16, 5:04 PM EDT

No freefall today.
It was more like stepping off a curb.
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J G Bankerton wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:26 pm
Trader Joe wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:13 pm 3,004.04 −10.26 (0.34%)
Jul 16, 5:04 PM EDT

No freefall today.
It was more like stepping off a curb.
More like stepping from a rug to the hardwood floor.
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Trader Joe wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:13 pm 3,004.04 −10.26 (0.34%)
Jul 16, 5:04 PM EDT

No freefall today.
And not much volatility in the last few days.
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The S&P is below 3k. Time to head for the hills Ma!! :wink:
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whodidntante wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:28 am
limeyx wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:44 pm
TaxingAccount wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:51 am
TaxingAccount wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:36 am stocks and bonds both falling off the cliff today as hopes of rate cut fade. I'll stay in cash, thanks.
crap i should have bought the dip
Somebody should really announce dips and peaks in advance. Would make things so much more civilized
CNBC does this all day, stopping only for ads for Fisher Investments and weird ETF ads with trance elevator music.
Oh awesome. I better tune in and make $$$ !
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H-Town wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:48 pm
limeyx wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:44 pm
TaxingAccount wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:51 am
TaxingAccount wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:36 am stocks and bonds both falling off the cliff today as hopes of rate cut fade. I'll stay in cash, thanks.
crap i should have bought the dip
Somebody should really announce dips and peaks in advance. Would make things so much more civilized
They do it all the time. Most of the time they're wrong though. You know it's coming but you don't know when. No one knows. So make sure to have an appropriate asset allocation, buckle up, and enjoy the ride.
Wait, so I might make $$$ but more likely I'll lose $$$ and the pundits on TV will suddenly have my $$$ transferred to their best buddies/themselves ??? That doesn't sound so good although being paid to be wrong selfishly doesn't sound so bad :)
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whodidntante wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:28 am
limeyx wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:44 pm
TaxingAccount wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:51 am
TaxingAccount wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:36 am stocks and bonds both falling off the cliff today as hopes of rate cut fade. I'll stay in cash, thanks.
crap i should have bought the dip
Somebody should really announce dips and peaks in advance. Would make things so much more civilized
CNBC does this all day, stopping only for ads for Fisher Investments and weird ETF ads with trance elevator music.
I watch CNBC all day long so when the money honeys trigger the algorithms I will be the first to buy the dip before the bounce back*.

*Do not try this at home.
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J G Bankerton wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:13 am
whodidntante wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:28 am
limeyx wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:44 pm
TaxingAccount wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:51 am
TaxingAccount wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:36 am stocks and bonds both falling off the cliff today as hopes of rate cut fade. I'll stay in cash, thanks.
crap i should have bought the dip
Somebody should really announce dips and peaks in advance. Would make things so much more civilized
CNBC does this all day, stopping only for ads for Fisher Investments and weird ETF ads with trance elevator music.
I watch CNBC all day long so when the money honeys trigger the algorithms I will be the first to buy the dip before the bounce back*.

*Do not try this at home.
If you're getting it from cable news, you're getting it late... "NEWS" these days seems to consist of who is under fire from a Twitter mob.. The algo's are already scraping it from the source and moved on to something else before the TV has even assembled a panel to discuss how their sponsors want you should feel about some posts on the Internet.
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JoMoney wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:24 am
If you're getting it from cable news, you're getting it late... "NEWS" these days seems to consist of who is under fire from a Twitter mob.. The algo's are already scraping it from the source and moved on to something else before the TV has even assembled a panel to discuss how their sponsors want you should feel about some posts on the Internet.
CNBC is on top of things and announce the numbers as soon as they are out. They also interview CEO at the gatherings they have.

I don't act on the news, I act on the algorithms reaction to the news. I never sell so I'm going to be OK. OMG, I made money as I was typing. What a country. :greedy
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Sometimes, I wonder if Messr. Bankerton is an algo.
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retiringwhen wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:40 am Sometimes, I wonder if Messr. Bankerton is an algo.
Or a day trader.

Or someone with a wicked sense of humor.
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J G Bankerton wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:34 am... OMG, I made money as I was typing. What a country. :greedy
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J G Bankerton wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:34 amOMG, I made money as I was typing.
You've got to see this video at 1:24. Brian Regan is uproarious, and that was his best show ever.
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J G Bankerton wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:34 amOMG, I made money as I was typing.
:beer that’s signature worthy, not always true but nice when it is.
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Except for Asia, global markets are down today. Anyone want to be dramatic about it?
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whodidntante wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:27 pm Except for Asia, global markets are down today. Anyone want to be dramatic about it?
Long treasuries too. I better sell out of my leveraged portfolio before stocks and bonds free fall!!!
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whodidntante wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:27 pm Except for Asia, global markets are down today. Anyone want to be dramatic about it?
brb selling everything and storing cash under the mattress
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Powell speaks, market plummets, for now.

this thread has been quiet for some time . . . . .
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DanMahowny wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:54 pm Powell speaks, market plummets, for now.

this thread has been quiet for some time . . . . .
free falling...
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H-Town wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:11 pm
DanMahowny wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:54 pm Powell speaks, market plummets, for now.

this thread has been quiet for some time . . . . .
free falling...
already bouncing

LOL
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Powell, one and done, the free-fall has begun.
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Markets can be very dumb in the short term.
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rascott wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:21 pm Markets can be very dumb in the short term.
I wouldn't say dumb as much as whiny, like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.
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willthrill81 wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:41 pm
rascott wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:21 pm Markets can be very dumb in the short term.
I wouldn't say dumb as much as whiny, like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.
Yeah I like that better. The cranky pants didn't get their .50 rate cut and are having a little fit.
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rascott wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:49 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:41 pm
rascott wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:21 pm Markets can be very dumb in the short term.
I wouldn't say dumb as much as whiny, like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.
Yeah I like that better. The cranky pants didn't get their .50 rate cut and are having a little fit.
Powell should have brought some iPads .... isn't this how parents deal with temper tantrums these days? :P Sorry... I couldn't resist...
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mrspock wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:52 pm
rascott wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:49 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:41 pm
rascott wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:21 pm Markets can be very dumb in the short term.
I wouldn't say dumb as much as whiny, like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.
Yeah I like that better. The cranky pants didn't get their .50 rate cut and are having a little fit.
Powell should have brought some iPads .... isn't this how parents deal with temper tantrums these days? :P Sorry... I couldn't resist...
I think that adult coloring books are the current thing.
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surfstar wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:12 pm
H-Town wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:11 pm
DanMahowny wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:54 pm Powell speaks, market plummets, for now.

this thread has been quiet for some time . . . . .
free falling...
already bouncing

LOL
dead cat bounce
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Up on the rumor, down on the news.

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H-Town wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:06 pm
surfstar wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:12 pm
H-Town wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:11 pm
DanMahowny wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:54 pm Powell speaks, market plummets, for now.

this thread has been quiet for some time . . . . .
free falling...
already bouncing

LOL
dead cat bounce
Not at all, earnings are good, I bought VTI at 151.94, today was pay day, tomorrow too. :greedy
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J G Bankerton wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:01 pm
H-Town wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:06 pm
surfstar wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:12 pm
H-Town wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:11 pm
DanMahowny wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:54 pm Powell speaks, market plummets, for now.

this thread has been quiet for some time . . . . .
free falling...
already bouncing

LOL
dead cat bounce
Not at all, earnings are good, I bought VTI at 151.94, today was pay day, tomorrow too. :greedy
Would it be better if we have another 20% discount? I'm in no hurry...
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H-Town wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:33 pm Would it be better if we have another 20% discount? I'm in no hurry...
Neither am I. I shouldn't need to make any withdrawals for at least 16 years.
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Well how-dee! I didn't know so many Bogleheads were market timers . . . :confused
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It is only Wednesday! The fed lowered rates and the market dropped.
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Bluce wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:27 pm Well how-dee! I didn't know so many Bogleheads were market timers . . . :confused
You must have been distracted by the soaring market :D
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Doom&Gloom wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:01 pm
Bluce wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:27 pm Well how-dee! I didn't know so many Bogleheads were market timers . . . :confused
You must have been distracted by the soaring market :D
Other than re-balancing a couple of weeks ago, I don't do anything to my PF.

But I do watch the market cuz it's a lot of fun watching the daily gyrations of the fortune sellers. :sharebeer
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Bluce wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:21 pm
Doom&Gloom wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:01 pm
Bluce wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:27 pm Well how-dee! I didn't know so many Bogleheads were market timers . . . :confused
You must have been distracted by the soaring market :D
Other than re-balancing a couple of weeks ago, I don't do anything to my PF.

But I do watch the market cuz it's a lot of fun watching the daily gyrations of the fortune sellers. :sharebeer
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What do you think will be the pull back this time.. 3%? Futures are already stabilizing, does not look like much of a panic to me
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stocknoob4111 wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:57 am What do you think will be the pull back this time.. 3%? Futures are already stabilizing, does not look like much of a panic to me
Time to switch to soaring thread, my last buy of VTI is up .35%; I'm good at this. :greedy
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rascott wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:49 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:41 pm
rascott wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:21 pm Markets can be very dumb in the short term.
I wouldn't say dumb as much as whiny, like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.
Yeah I like that better. The cranky pants didn't get their .50 rate cut and are having a little fit.
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Free falling the other way ( not surprisingly).
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firebirdparts wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:43 am Free falling the other way ( not surprisingly).
It is the algorithms blindly reacting to buzz words. Once humans get involved the "V" rebalances. Earnings are up, very few misses. Buy the dips when they don't agree with the numbers. :greedy
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J G Bankerton wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:48 am Buy the dips when they don't agree with the numbers. :greedy
Missed it by that much
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firebirdparts wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:46 pm
J G Bankerton wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:48 am Buy the dips when they don't agree with the numbers. :greedy
Missed it by that much
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I got whiplashed, now is the time to buy the "V".
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