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Post by thenextguy » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:08 pm

flyingaway wrote:It will not be a happy Christmas if S&P 500 is not at all time high at the end of the year.


Getting there!

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Post by cfs » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:22 pm

cfs wrote:
Toons wrote:
chaz wrote:No freefall today. :D


Trampoline Bounce :happy

Shipmates, major indexes are smoking but the NYSE and the NASDAQ are still open. Celebrate proceed with caution

[major indexes are smoking] Well, I guess the early gains did not go up in smoke at the end of the day.
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Post by VictoriaF » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:28 pm

The Wizard wrote:
Toons wrote:
chaz wrote:No freefall today. :D


Trampoline Bounce :happy

A lot better than a Dead Cat Bounce...


It looks like we are not going to eat (dead) cat food any time soon.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by InvestorNewb » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:36 pm

The market has been on fire the past two days. We're almost back to where we were before the little crash, if you can call it that.
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Post by Browser » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:39 pm

InvestorNewb wrote:The market has been on fire the past two days. We're almost back to where we were before the little crash, if you can call it that.

Just goes to show you can't keep a bad market down these days. :P
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Post by Leeraar » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:32 pm

I just noticed:

The (adjusted*) opening price of VTSMX (Vanguard Total Stock Market) in 2010 was 25.16. Today's value is 51.77.

More than double in a touch under five years. Enjoying the ride!

L.

* Total return, data from Yahoo Finance.
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Post by Gary Guss » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:47 pm

Falling Up !

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Post by hiddensee » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:26 am

...and it's back.

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Post by nedsaid » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:30 am

Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.
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Post by cfs » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:37 am

nedsaid wrote:Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.

Well, shipmate Ned, that's why we keep dropping by here, just to show that in the markets nobody knows nothing.
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Post by Rodc » Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:40 am

thenextguy wrote:
flyingaway wrote:It will not be a happy Christmas if S&P 500 is not at all time high at the end of the year.


Getting there!


Leaving aside you won't know if we are at all time high at the end of December 4 trading days earlier, if it is at an all time high on a day before the last trading day and 0.1% down the last day are you going to drown your sorrows New Years Eve? :)
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Post by VictoriaF » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:03 pm

cfs wrote:
nedsaid wrote:Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.

Well, shipmate Ned, that's why we keep dropping by here, just to show that in the markets nobody knows nothing.


This thread is an instance of financial porn. Ms. Market keeps alternating between being a fallen woman and high nobility, and we all are watching her in awe.

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Post by chaz » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:17 pm

VictoriaF wrote:
cfs wrote:
nedsaid wrote:Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.

Well, shipmate Ned, that's why we keep dropping by here, just to show that in the markets nobody knows nothing.


This thread is an instance of financial porn. Ms. Market keeps alternating between being a fallen woman and high nobility, and we all are watching her in awe.

Victoria

It's awesome. :)
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by VictoriaF » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:24 pm

chaz wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:
cfs wrote:
nedsaid wrote:Man, I just love this. Every time this thread pops up after a market drop, the market bounces back. This thread is a wonderful contrary indicator.

Well, shipmate Ned, that's why we keep dropping by here, just to show that in the markets nobody knows nothing.


This thread is an instance of financial porn. Ms. Market keeps alternating between being a fallen woman and high nobility, and we all are watching her in awe.

Victoria

It's awesome. :)


I particularly admire how she refuses to be simulated (and stimulated) by Monte Carlo.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by Leeraar » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:26 pm

Personally, I do not take this thread seriously at all. I see it as a cynical satire on the daily noise.

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Post by cfs » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:38 am

Leeraar wrote:Personally, I do not take this thread seriously at all. I see it as a cynical satire on the daily noise.

L.

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Post by dbCooperAir » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:00 am

Leeraar wrote:Personally, I do not take this thread seriously at all. I see it as a cynical satire on the daily noise.

L.


Exactly, out of the 22 pages thus far you will find some good nuggets however. Its a nice place to not have to be so serious :wink:
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by cfs » Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:58 pm

Smoking!

And talking about smoking . . . http://www.businessinsider.com/meredith ... ce-2014-12
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by Munir » Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:48 pm

A new all-time high for the S&P 500 today- or close to it. Should the title of this thread be updated?

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Post by LadyGeek » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:04 pm

No, as it's time to shift your focus to the Boglehead Contest 2014. The latest discussion thread is here: BOGLEHEAD CONTEST -- November 2014
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Post by roka » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:11 pm

cfs wrote:Smoking!

And talking about smoking . . . http://www.businessinsider.com/meredith ... ce-2014-12


This is why I ignore the talking heads de jour. Sure, they're right once in a while and that gathers them attention. But if enough people make enough predictions SOME of them are going to be right.

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Post by Leeraar » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:23 pm

cfs wrote:Smoking!

And talking about smoking . . . http://www.businessinsider.com/meredith ... ce-2014-12

IMO, whats smoking here is Elena Holodny.

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by flyingaway » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:42 pm

We seemed to have all time high today. Merry Christmas!!!

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Post by cfs » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:23 pm

LadyGeek wrote:No, as it's time to shift your focus to the Boglehead Contest 2014. The latest discussion thread is here: BOGLEHEAD CONTEST -- November 2014

Thanks shipmate LG, if I finish in the top 10 then we had a very productive year in the market.
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Post by VictoriaF » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:42 am

As of this writing, the Dow is Seventeen Going on Eighteen, and thus has passed the dangerous threshold of

You are sixteen going on seventeen
Baby, it's time to think
Better beware, be canny and careful
Baby, you're on the brink


Are there freefalls on the other side of the brink?

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by cfs » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:06 am

There are none

No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.
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Post by chaz » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:29 am

cfs wrote:There are none

No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.

Yet there will be fluctuations, and maybe a black swan. :(
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Post by Browser » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:35 am

The idea that as old farts we'll be reduced to eating dogfood or catfood from cans is ridiculous. Have you checked the price of canned petfood lately? Actually, we'll have to eat the dry petfood from bags instead. Or maybe spam.
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Post by chaz » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:42 am

Browser wrote:The idea that as old farts we'll be reduced to eating dogfood or catfood from cans is ridiculous. Have you checked the price of canned petfood lately? Actually, we'll have to eat the dry petfood from bags instead. Or maybe spam.

A balanced diet?
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by cfs » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:44 am

chaz wrote:
cfs wrote:There are none

No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.

Yet there will be fluctuations, and maybe a black swan. :(

Well, shipmate Chaz, that's why those in retirement (me) need to have a "capital preservation/loss prevention/black swan ready" type of portfolio.
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Post by Browser » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:47 am

cfs wrote:
chaz wrote:
cfs wrote:There are none

No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.

Yet there will be fluctuations, and maybe a black swan. :(

Well, shipmate Chaz, that's why those in retirement (me) need to have a "capital preservation/loss prevention/black swan ready" type of portfolio.

If you can add "black swans" to your diet, then we'll be covered in old age. But are they a protected species? Maybe "black rats" would be a nutritionally adequate substitute.
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Post by cfs » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:54 am

Smoking!

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Post by peppers » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:11 pm

VictoriaF wrote:As of this writing, the Dow is Seventeen Going on Eighteen, and thus has passed the dangerous threshold of

You are sixteen going on seventeen
Baby, it's time to think
Better beware, be canny and careful
Baby, you're on the brink


Are there freefalls on the other side of the brink?

Victoria


I don't know if there will be falls....... "but there will be dancing".
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Post by peppers » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:16 pm

Browser wrote:
cfs wrote:
chaz wrote:
cfs wrote:There are none

No, shipmate Victoria, there are no freefalls on the other side of the brink, only cheap oil, and now everyone repeat after me: Cheap oil is good for ME.

Yet there will be fluctuations, and maybe a black swan. :(

Well, shipmate Chaz, that's why those in retirement (me) need to have a "capital preservation/loss prevention/black swan ready" type of portfolio.

If you can add "black swans" to your diet, then we'll be covered in old age. But are they a protected species? Maybe "black rats" would be a nutritionally adequate substitute.



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Post by Leeraar » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:17 pm

Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.

http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan

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Post by flyingaway » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:27 pm

Dow top 18000 and S&P top 2080 are my expectations for 2014. They are there, and I hope they keep there to the end of this year. No further advance is necessary (for me).

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peppers wrote:If the chickens come home to roost and the wolves are howling at the door.....we'll just eat 'em.

The chickens or the wolves?

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Post by cfs » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:02 pm

Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.

http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan

L.

Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?
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Post by Leeraar » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:24 pm

cfs wrote:
Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.

http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan

L.

Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?

People in New Zealand? They were hunted to extinction in NZ before Europeans arrived, They have since been repopulated, perhaps naturally, from Australia.

I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it. :happy

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Post by chaz » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:30 pm

Leeraar wrote:
cfs wrote:
Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.

http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan

L.

Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?

People in New Zealand? They were hunted to extinction in NZ before Europeans arrived, They have since been repopulated, perhaps naturally, from Australia.

I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it. :happy

L.

I think Victoria would not kill one, but would run from it. Notice her avatar.
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Post by VictoriaF » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:38 pm

chaz wrote:
Leeraar wrote:
cfs wrote:
Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.

http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan

L.

Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?


I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it. :happy

L.

I think Victoria would not kill one, but would run from it. Notice her avatar.


How little you know shipmate Victoria!

She does not respond to Black Swans with fight or flight. Rather, she seeks to understand and appreciate them. Without Black Swans, life is meaningless.

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Post by Leeraar » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:56 pm

Victoria,

And now, we know where you (and your pet swans) live:

viewtopic.php?p=2304057#p2304057

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VictoriaF wrote:
chaz wrote:
Leeraar wrote:
cfs wrote:
Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.

http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan

L.

Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?


I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it. :happy

L.

I think Victoria would not kill one, but would run from it. Notice her avatar.


How little you know shipmate Victoria!

She does not respond to Black Swans with fight or flight. Rather, she seeks to understand and appreciate them. Without Black Swans, life is meaningless.

Victoria

shipmate Victoria sounds like Munchkin Man.
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Post by VictoriaF » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:29 pm

Leeraar wrote:Black swans are mostly unprotected in New Zealand, and may be legally hunted.

http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/black-swan

L.

chaz wrote:
VictoriaF wrote:
chaz wrote:
Leeraar wrote:
cfs wrote:Well, shipmate Leerar, but, but, but, who would want to kill and eat such a beautiful creature?


I believe that Victoria walks in fear of Black Swans, and might kill one if she recognized it. :happy

L.

I think Victoria would not kill one, but would run from it. Notice her avatar.


How little you know shipmate Victoria!

She does not respond to Black Swans with fight or flight. Rather, she seeks to understand and appreciate them. Without Black Swans, life is meaningless.

Victoria

shipmate Victoria sounds like Munchkin Man.


I miss shipmate Munchkin Man.

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Post by cfs » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:13 pm

flyingaway wrote:Dow top 18000 and S&P top 2080 are my expectations for 2014. They are there, and I hope they keep there to the end of this year. No further advance is necessary (for me).

Well, shipmate FA, [at least for today] you have them exactly where you wanted them.
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Post by cfs » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:33 am

cfs wrote:Smoking!

But wait! There is more! ====> http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/12/meredi ... edge-fund/

And there is more !!!!

This millionaire was expecting 12-17 percent in gains and now he wants his money back ====> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-2 ... crest.html
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by flyingaway » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:59 am

cfs wrote:
flyingaway wrote:Dow top 18000 and S&P top 2080 are my expectations for 2014. They are there, and I hope they keep there to the end of this year. No further advance is necessary (for me).

Well, shipmate FA, [at least for today] you have them exactly where you wanted them.


This year is done for me (thankfully). As I mentioned in another thread, I need my portfolio to grow 33% more to reach my minimum financial independence. (Three more years to go).

By the way, shipmate CFS, which ship are we on?

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by hiddensee » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:58 pm

I love the side bar stories:

Oil Will Stay at These Lower Levels Permanently: Silipo

Saudi’s Naimi Says $20 Oil Is Possible: Telegraph

Does "[current trend] will last forever" ever get old?

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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by cfs » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:41 pm

flyingaway wrote:
cfs wrote:
flyingaway wrote:Dow top 18000 and S&P top 2080 are my expectations for 2014. They are there, and I hope they keep there to the end of this year. No further advance is necessary (for me).

Well, shipmate FA, [at least for today] you have them exactly where you wanted them.


This year is done for me (thankfully). As I mentioned in another thread, I need my portfolio to grow 33% more to reach my minimum financial independence. (Three more years to go).

By the way, shipmate CFS, which ship are we on?

Good question by our shipmate FA, aboard Admiral Horatio Nelson's Flagship, HMS Vanguard.
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Re: U.S. stocks in freefall

Post by cfs » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:13 pm

Freefall today?

No, down for the day but up for the year.
Overall good year in the markets except for those 100% in energy or precious metals.
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