ziggy29 wrote:Worthless, no. Overrated, sometimes, depending on the major and the occupation. Part of this is because we've become a nation of snobs when it comes to education and because we look down on people without degrees as losers. The result is that a bachelor's degree is fast becoming what a high school diploma was 40-50 years ago in the job market and the graduate degree is the new baccalaureate degree. There's a lot of "education creep" going on in a competitive job market where there are more degrees than jobs.
For someone not going to grad school, the expensive "big names" are even more overrated for an undergraduate education, but unfortunately too many old boy network types do the hiring and look for the name on the label even if the product isn't much better.
I agree with the overrated part. I have even been caught by my wife (a college drop out), that I can come off arrogant at times because of my degrees and education, by looking down on those that don't. It's been hardwork to break that habit, because of how ingrained it is in society where I live (both the arrogance and looking down on others).
I also agree that the the bachelors is the new high school diploma and masters the new bachelors. Its really perverse.
I also want to point out to posters in regards to vocational schools, I went to a vocational school for both PC support and Networking during high school, and I was way past a lot of my pears during my first four years of college. In a nutshell, if I was a hiring manager, I would hire a person who went to a vocational school before hiring someone with a bachelors degree (it's just an opinion and an observation, as vocational schools are more focused in the real world than academia from my experience). The only thing I think vocational schools should add for tech jobs is technical writing and documentation.
As for going to grad school, my coworker was (and still is) up in the air of whether or not, a master degree would be good for him. I explained to him the only reason why I went to grad school, is do to the fact that I want to become a college professor and an Information Security professional later in my career. He decided to still go to grad school, but I am still finding that he is still up in the air between certifications and degrees.
I think a grad degree should only be chosen for those who wish to pursue teaching, science (engineering), or upper management positions, and undergrad is for those who want to remain in the tech side or applied sciences. Its just my opionion.
I also think BBA's and MBA's aren't worth their salt unless they are taught with long term value focus, like Edward Deming's 14 points or some other quality management philosophy with long term investment in the company and it's employees. What are your opinions?