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Are you a Boglehead?

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Are you? Why or why not?
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I think so, but it depends on who's defining it. Jack Bogle himself didn't meet the criteria that some ascribe to Bogleheadism.
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Probably. That said, I was LBYM investor in low cost domestic equity index funds for over 20 years before I found this forum. 8-)

During that time, I was 100% equities, which would likely disqualify me for "Bogelhead" good standing status. :P
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FIREchief wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:32 pm Probably. That said, I was LBYM investor in low cost domestic equity index funds for over 20 years before I found this forum. 8-)

During that time, I was 100% equities, which would likely disqualify me for "Bogelhead" good standing status. :P
Lots of Bogleheads are 100% equities with their investable assets through the accumulation phase. Nothing wrong with that- in fact, if you can handle the big swings that’s the best way to get through the early years of building wealth since it’s dollar cost averaging earned income over two or three decades.

I think I’m a Boglehead, but I don’t do everything “by the Boglehead book” since for example I have a big part of my bond allocation in our joint brokerage account, and it’s BND, not munis. Bogleheads would say to use up all of the space In tax deferred accounts first, but my wife and I sleep better at night knowing we aren’t 100% equities with the money we’ll use as the bridge to SS and RMDs.
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Nope. I don't have a $5,000 watch, don't drive a Prius, Tesla, nor Camry nor Accord, and love to do market timing with my investments.
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Wanderingwheelz wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:36 pm
FIREchief wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:32 pm Probably. That said, I was LBYM investor in low cost domestic equity index funds for over 20 years before I found this forum. 8-)

During that time, I was 100% equities, which would likely disqualify me for "Bogelhead" good standing status. :P
Lots of Bogleheads are 100% equities with their investable assets through the accumulation phase. Nothing wrong with that- in fact, if you can handle the big swings that’s the best way to get through the early years of building wealth since it’s dollar cost averaging earned income over two or three decades.
Yeah, but are we/they in "good standing?" :P
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I am in the sense that I have a reasonably high savings rate, believe in low cost index funds, and have two Hondas that I’ve had for awhile. But I’m 100 percent equities and live in a 1.5 M plus home. And I don’t pay off low cost debt early.

And I have three kids and spend a lot on their activities and interests. And I have 0 in 529s. Instead of 529s I’d rather invest in side businesses, real estate, etc.
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FIREchief wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:40 pm
Wanderingwheelz wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:36 pm
FIREchief wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:32 pm Probably. That said, I was LBYM investor in low cost domestic equity index funds for over 20 years before I found this forum. 8-)

During that time, I was 100% equities, which would likely disqualify me for "Bogelhead" good standing status. :P
Lots of Bogleheads are 100% equities with their investable assets through the accumulation phase. Nothing wrong with that- in fact, if you can handle the big swings that’s the best way to get through the early years of building wealth since it’s dollar cost averaging earned income over two or three decades.
Yeah, but are we/they in "good standing?" :P
Definitely. I think most of us here understand that the equities you accumulate when you’re young are the ones that’s make the magic happen.
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FIREchief wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:40 pm
Wanderingwheelz wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:36 pm
FIREchief wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:32 pm Probably. That said, I was LBYM investor in low cost domestic equity index funds for over 20 years before I found this forum. 8-)

During that time, I was 100% equities, which would likely disqualify me for "Bogelhead" good standing status. :P
Lots of Bogleheads are 100% equities with their investable assets through the accumulation phase. Nothing wrong with that- in fact, if you can handle the big swings that’s the best way to get through the early years of building wealth since it’s dollar cost averaging earned income over two or three decades.
Yeah, but are we/they in "good standing?" :P
As with most things, there will always be self-appointed arbiters of "True Bogleheadism" but I don't lose any sleep over what some random interwebs commenter thinks about me. :beer
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I would say yes. What that means to me is I believe in having a rational investment plan and sticking to it. That means passive investing through diversified low cost index funds and staying the course rather than timing the market. Above all, I believe I can save more in fees by doing it myself than I stand to gain from paying a professional.
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I would say that for the most part I am a Boglehead. I have done a little market timing around the edges this year with approximately 10% of my portfolio and I have approx 3% in bonds and the rest of my FI in CD's and a stable value fund which I suppose is not considered very Bogleheadlike. I do have a $5000 watch that I bought before my more frugal Boglehead conversion which is now worth $10,000 so I don't feel too guilty about that.
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I define Bogleheads as two parts:

Live below your means and generally invest in low cost index funds. I do both of those things so I qualify based on my definition.
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One of my taxables and 401k are doing Boglehead-style investing (80/20 and 100/0). I have another taxable doing more risky stuff, that's no Boglehead.
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Not sure, since I don't know the exact definition.

I'm a fan of Jack Bogle and low cost index funds so I guess that counts for something. I also have been a huge saver most of my life and live below my means.

I do own a bunch of individual stocks, however. So that may disqualify me.

I love this forum so I hope I don't get kicked out :D .
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Op

I am not because been investing before bogleheads. I am also like livesoft another market timer. I have followed live below my means, hence part of the two comma club.

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I'm not because I simply refuse to drink all the coolaid.
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PackersFan12 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:05 pm Are you? Why or why not?
I would probably be classified as a Boglehead. I live below my means. I invest in world market cap equities via index funds. I do hold some low risk bonds/cash. I don't market time.
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Yes, I follow all the main Boglehead philosophies:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Boglehe ... philosophy
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PackersFan12 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:05 pm Are you? Why or why not?
Since you are asking the question, you should define your terms before asking people to answer.

And then you have to explain why people’s answer to this question matters to you.

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yules wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:29 pm
PackersFan12 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:05 pm Are you? Why or why not?
Since you are asking the question, you should define your terms before asking people to answer.

And then you have to explain why people’s answer to this question matters to you.

Yules
Disagree. OP was fine. I take the post as probing what it means to be a Boglehead philosophically.
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I believe costs matter, so yes I am a boglehead.

However, I may not be a Boglehead® because I am OK with active management techniques like market timing and security selection, I think precious metals are a valid asset class, and I don't think stonks always go up.
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000 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:39 pm... and I don't think stonks always go up.
Indeed, stonks are about something coming down.
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I am not a Boglehead.

I am what Benjamin Graham would call an "enterprising investor". Over the past two decades, my portfolio has beaten market indices by a very wide margin. This has been achieved by holding on to good picks for years and years ("letting your profits run").

I do have less than 0.1% of my assets invested in a Bogleheadish manner, in the form of a Schwab robo-advisor account (94% stocks, 6% cash). This has been my worst performing account.
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livesoft wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:41 pm
000 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:39 pm... and I don't think stonks always go up.
Indeed, stonks are about something coming down.
What comes down must have gone up :twisted:
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Nate79 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:25 pm Yes, I follow all the main Boglehead philosophies:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Boglehe ... philosophy
Me too.

Am I 100% Boglehead? No. I’d say about 99% Boglehead.
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This thread is now in the US Chapters (Community) forum (Boglehead).
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I used to call myself Boglehead-lite because I was under the mistaken impression that in addition to simple index investing I was supposed to make "interesting moves" with my money. Then I read more and joined this forum. Now I'm just a plain Boglehead. Not a purist, though.
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Firemenot wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:36 pm
yules wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:29 pm
PackersFan12 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:05 pm Are you? Why or why not?
Since you are asking the question, you should define your terms before asking people to answer.

And then you have to explain why people’s answer to this question matters to you.

Yules
Disagree. OP was fine. I take the post as probing what it means to be a Boglehead philosophically.
That’s a misreading of the initial post. If OP wanted to know what is means to be a Boglehead philosophically, which would be an interesting conversation, then OP should simply ask “What does being a Boglehead mean to you?”

Instead, the question doesn’t even ask respondents to define what it means to be a Boglehead, just why or why not someone made the decision. Most of these responses (not criticizing the responses, which are appropriate for the question as asked) say yes because X or no because Y, but this is just cherry picking presumed partial definitions of Bogleheadism rather than speaking to the larger philosophical question that you attribute to OP’s intent.

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I don't care if I'm a boglehead or not. I'm a buy and hold investor in broad market index funds, so that must count for something. I also live below my means. However, I follow neither the advice given on this forum promoting small caps, value, emerging markets, TIPS, I Bonds, certificates of deposit, long bonds, and precious metals nor the advice to avoid corporate bonds, Fidelity, and Schwab. I have never had a Vanguard "mutual funds account," and I think that means I don't have deep roots in the boglehead movement.
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livesoft wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:37 pm Nope. I don't have a $5,000 watch, don't drive a Prius, Tesla, nor Camry nor Accord, and love to do market timing with my investments.
So what do you drive? Inquiring minds want to know? :twisted:

Also, I did not realize that driving an Accord counted as a Boglehead attribute. I do drive an Accord but prefer walking (when feasible) and before the Pandemic I tried to use public transit whenever possible, for reasons of sustainability and community building.

No $5,000 watch for me either, but zero interest in market timing.
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I am kind of like the Boglehead’s drunk uncle:

https://snl.fandom.com/wiki/Drunk_Uncle
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dodecahedron wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:02 pmSo what do you drive? Inquiring minds want to know? :twisted:
I drove a Lexus, then another Lexus for years. My current vehicle is a Subaru Outback. Earlier cars include a Camry and a Civic.
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:!:
yules wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:55 pm
Firemenot wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:36 pm
yules wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:29 pm
PackersFan12 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:05 pm Are you? Why or why not?
Since you are asking the question, you should define your terms before asking people to answer.

And then you have to explain why people’s answer to this question matters to you.

Yules
Disagree. OP was fine. I take the post as probing what it means to be a Boglehead philosophically.
That’s a misreading of the initial post. If OP wanted to know what is means to be a Boglehead philosophically, which would be an interesting conversation, then OP should simply ask “What does being a Boglehead mean to you?”

Instead, the question doesn’t even ask respondents to define what it means to be a Boglehead, just why or why not someone made the decision. Most of these responses (not criticizing the responses, which are appropriate for the question as asked) say yes because X or no because Y, but this is just cherry picking presumed partial definitions of Bogleheadism rather than speaking to the larger philosophical question that you attribute to OP’s intent.

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Interesting how people interpret things so differently. I’m unpersuaded but respect your view.
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I am not one of anything. I borrow bits and pieces from everywhere to create my own way of doing things.

In reality, my wife and I are way too frugal to be a boglehead.haha
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Since I am a member here, I am kind of leaning to Bogleheads.
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Yes. My personal definition of a boglehead is someone who follows Jack Bogle's investment philosophy. This means putting most of your investments into broad-based, passive, low-cost index funds rather than individual securities or actively managed funds, and avoid market timing.
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livesoft wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:37 pm Nope. I don't have a $5,000 watch, don't drive a Prius, Tesla, nor Camry nor Accord, and love to do market timing with my investments.
What’s the market timing play for Monday?
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Unfortunately, I am not a Boglehead. I do not drive the standard issue Corolla, and I wear a $5,000 watch. :(
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bawr wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:44 pm I am not a Boglehead.

I am what Benjamin Graham would call an "enterprising investor". Over the past two decades, my portfolio has beaten market indices by a very wide margin. This has been achieved by holding on to good picks for years and years ("letting your profits run").

I do have less than 0.1% of my assets invested in a Bogleheadish manner, in the form of a Schwab robo-advisor account (94% stocks, 6% cash). This has been my worst performing account.
It’s because of the 6% cash drag, obviously.
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I am a registered member of Bogleheads.org
I assume that makes me a Boglehead .

The moderators on this site keep it from devolving like other sites, for which I am quite grateful. There are numerous very intelligent members who freely share their experience.

I had figured out that on average, you can't beat the average long ago, and so all you could do was keep costs low.

That sounds pretty much like the same philosophy that Jack Bogle espoused.
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jumppilot wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:18 pm Unfortunately, I am not a Boglehead. I do not drive the standard issue Corolla, and I wear a $5,000 watch. :(
Isn't there a watch thread. I thought a $5,000 watch was required to be a forum member in good standing.
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Wanderingwheelz wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:17 pm
livesoft wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:37 pm Nope. I don't have a $5,000 watch, don't drive a Prius, Tesla, nor Camry nor Accord, and love to do market timing with my investments.
What’s the market timing play for Monday?
The play is: Sit back and watch. One should have already rebalanced from equities to bonds to get back to one's nominal asset allocation earlier this week
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In some ways, yes, in other ways, no.

- We hold index mutual funds and index ETFs, except for some individual stocks.
- I have dabbled in individual stocks, but never up to the 5% amount Mr. Bogle opined would be OK. 5% was a way too large $$$ amount for me.
- We did/do not live below our means, we have lived at our means, which was AFTER we paid ourselves first. We have lived from paycheck to paycheck for decades.
-We stopped driving econoboxes after we could afford to buy comfortable, mid-size sedans/vans. We have never owned a Camry, Corolla, or any Honda vehicle. We financed some vehicles, but generally paid them off rapidly. Not sure if that is a Boglehead requirement, anyway.
- We have held sector investments, like REITS and Healthcare ETFs, but no longer. I rid us of them in a simplification effort of our portfolio
- I often market time rebalance if it makes sense for me to do so.
- I have purchased two $5000 watches for others.
- I have no written IPS, but our portfolio is so simple writing anything down would be a waste of my time.

So, who knows? I'm very comfortable in our investment style for our retirement portfolio. After all, WE are the ones living it. What others think about it matters not much to me.

whodidntante wrote: I think so, but it depends on who's defining it. Jack Bogle himself didn't meet the criteria that some ascribe to Bogleheadism.

Indeed! Mr Bogle was not nearly as doctrinaire as he was/is often portrayed here. It is disappointing to see posters attribute to Mr. Bogle what they THINK he said. It is really a shame when so much of Mr Bogle's thoughts are available to review in multiple medias, but unexamined by so many. A case of intellectual laziness, IMHO.

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Firemenot wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:07 pm :!:
yules wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:55 pm
Firemenot wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:36 pm
yules wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:29 pm
PackersFan12 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:05 pm Are you? Why or why not?
Since you are asking the question, you should define your terms before asking people to answer.

And then you have to explain why people’s answer to this question matters to you.

Yules
Disagree. OP was fine. I take the post as probing what it means to be a Boglehead philosophically.
That’s a misreading of the initial post. If OP wanted to know what is means to be a Boglehead philosophically, which would be an interesting conversation, then OP should simply ask “What does being a Boglehead mean to you?”

Instead, the question doesn’t even ask respondents to define what it means to be a Boglehead, just why or why not someone made the decision. Most of these responses (not criticizing the responses, which are appropriate for the question as asked) say yes because X or no because Y, but this is just cherry picking presumed partial definitions of Bogleheadism rather than speaking to the larger philosophical question that you attribute to OP’s intent.

Yules
Interesting how people interpret things so differently. I’m unpersuaded but respect your view.
Yep, I think that’s the beauty of this board, and the fact that different interpretations can yield different responses, there’s usually something for everyone!

Have a great day, Firemenit :beer

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Nate79 wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:25 pm Yes, I follow all the main Boglehead philosophies:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Boglehe ... philosophy
There isn’t any better philosophy out there for the DIY investor.

I am optimistic about markets long-term, 100% equities, fire inclined, and a millennial... and I am a boglehead
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Ive read several articles and a book or two and watched several interviews. I invest in 2 funds through Vanguard (Sp500 and total bonds). I rest easily thinking that this will put me far ahead most with actively managed funds especially looking beyond 10 years. I often think of some of his quotes especially when I hear the “experts”. I suppose people equate low cost funds to low cost beat down transportation? I like nice vehicles but I pay cash. Haven’t the slightest desire for any kind of watch. Anyhow, I suppose I lean the way of a Boglehead.
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Nah. I just hang around here to pick up girls. 🤓

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WildBill wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:20 pm Nah. I just hang around here to pick up girls. 🤓

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We haven't defined Boglehead here, but to me, being a Boglehead is about knowing yourself so that managing your money can be done in a way that is right for you. So, am I a Boglehead? After 30-plus years of low-cost indexing with the usual slip-ups here and there, I'd say yes.
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I think I'm 82.275% Boglehead.
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