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Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:30 am
by asif408
For those that have been posting about being scared about investing at all time highs, I have some great news for you. Most of the markets, including the US, are not trading at all time highs right now: https://twitter.com/charliebilello/stat ... 4689838080. In fact, a number are down 20-30% and more.

Does this make you more interested in purchasing stocks, especially outside the US? Or if not, can you explain your reasoning for why not?

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:37 am
by PFInterest
nope, im chugging along on the plan.

its a good reminder that many people are bad at math though.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am
by JoMoney
Still making my regular contributions/stock purchases... I don't have an "international" allocation.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:26 am
by columbia
JoMoney wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am Still making my regular contributions/stock purchases... I don't have an "international" allocation.
The countries in the left column (in that Tweet) are particularly unappealing.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:34 am
by JoMoney
columbia wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:26 am
JoMoney wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am Still making my regular contributions/stock purchases... I don't have an "international" allocation.
The countries in the left column (in that Tweet) are particularly unappealing.
CCC rated bonds are yielding more than 10% ... I have no interest in those either.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:18 pm
by bottlecap
The Chart has no explanation. What good is it?

JT

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:30 pm
by unclescrooge
columbia wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:26 am
JoMoney wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am Still making my regular contributions/stock purchases... I don't have an "international" allocation.
The countries in the left column (in that Tweet) are particularly unappealing.
Didn't stop Russia from being the best performing country a few yesterday back. If you ignored the collapsing economy, and the fact they were invading their neighbors, you would have made 56% that year.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:34 pm
by columbia
unclescrooge wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:30 pm
columbia wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:26 am
JoMoney wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am Still making my regular contributions/stock purchases... I don't have an "international" allocation.
The countries in the left column (in that Tweet) are particularly unappealing.
Didn't stop Russia from being the best performing country a few yesterday back. If you ignored the collapsing economy, and the fact they were invading their neighbors, you would have made 56% that year.
I wish those investors continued luck; no thanks.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:46 pm
by Taylor Larimore
asif408 wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:30 am For those that have been posting about being scared about investing at all time highs, I have some great news for you. Most of the markets, including the US, are not trading at all time highs right now: https://twitter.com/charliebilello/stat ... 4689838080. In fact, a number are down 20-30% and more.

Does this make you more interested in purchasing stocks, especially outside the US? Or if not, can you explain your reasoning for why not?
asif408:

It was reassuring for U.S. investors to see that the 500 Index has fallen less than all the other countries listed. I wonder what our mentor, Jack Bogle, knows that most of us don't know (Jack prefers all-U.S. stocks).

Best wishes.
Taylor

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:59 pm
by oldzey
JoMoney wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am Still making my regular contributions/stock purchases... I don't have an "international" allocation.
Ditto.

0% international works for me! :beer

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:15 am
by stemikger
All in the balanced index. All U.S. and rebalances without me

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:31 am
by Nicolas
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Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:53 am
by 2015
Twitter is "the noise" on steroids.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:20 am
by oldcomputerguy
2015 wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:53 am Twitter is "the noise" on steroids.
+1. This ought to be engraved in stone and enshrined somewhere prominent.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:11 am
by PaulF
Yup. I own all of those. Buy the haystack.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:31 am
by Valuethinker
2015 wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:53 am Twitter is "the noise" on steroids.
STOCK MARKET MAKING ALL TIME HIGHS. SAD.

;-) ;-)

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:55 am
by arcticpineapplecorp.
Nigeria's a screaming buy!

doesn't look like it's part of the total international stock market index fund though (link below, scroll down to "market allocation, % of common stock"):
https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual-fu ... olio/vtiax

Next farthest fallen market from all time high is Greece. It is 0.1% of the total international stock market index fund. Next few:

Turkey -- 0.2% of the total international stock market index fund
Egypt -- 0.1% of the total international stock market index fund
Columbia -- 0.1% of the total international stock market index fund

and so on...

So, Paul F, no you don't own them all if you own the total international stock market index fund. Most, not all.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:48 am
by lostdog
Here comes the subtle jabs to international investing...again by the same people.

I am enjoying buying stocks at cheap prices.

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:09 am
by PaulF
arcticpineapplecorp. wrote: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:55 am So, Paul F, no you don't own them all if you own the total international stock market index fund. Most, not all.
Dang it! (I'm chuckling here!) I had worried that may be true before posting, but figgered they all HAD to be somewhere in my EM and Developed Markets funds (but was not serious enough to check 8-) ).

Re: Stock markets not at all time highs

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:42 am
by asif408
Taylor Larimore wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:46 pm
asif408 wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:30 am For those that have been posting about being scared about investing at all time highs, I have some great news for you. Most of the markets, including the US, are not trading at all time highs right now: https://twitter.com/charliebilello/stat ... 4689838080. In fact, a number are down 20-30% and more.

Does this make you more interested in purchasing stocks, especially outside the US? Or if not, can you explain your reasoning for why not?
asif408:

It was reassuring for U.S. investors to see that the 500 Index has fallen less than all the other countries listed. I wonder what our mentor, Jack Bogle, knows that most of us don't know (Jack prefers all-U.S. stocks).

Best wishes.
Taylor
Definitely seems to be the case more often than not, Taylor. But I've also seen that international typically rises more on the way back up, so if you're invested outside the US I don't think you should necessarily give up on international. And if you're rebalancing you should probably be rebalancing more into international if you own it.