Seeking data on the long term return for 5 Vanguard funds.

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Seeking data on the long term return for 5 Vanguard funds.

Post by dpm1973 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:32 pm

Hello fellow Bogleheads,

I’m trying to determine the total return for five Vanguard funds, NAESX, VIMSX, VFINX, VGTSX, and VBMBX.

Specifically what I’m looking for is the average annual returns in percentages for the 15, 20, and 25 year returns (as applicable) for the above funds through December 31, 2017.

I’ve looked at prospectus’, Morningstar, Vanguard, and others and I cannot find the numbers I’m looking for.

I’m a supporter of index investing and have data on specific indexes and funds going back to 1995.

But I can’t find an independent source for determining the above mentioned total return time frames to cross check my calculations.

Once in a while a friend or relative will ask what to invest in.

My default answer is VFINX.

Although I don’t have the data I’m looking for, I know the spread between VFINX and the index based on data I do have is probably close.

So, I have no problem recommending it. Especially when it’s a young person with 25 or 30 years to retirement.

But I would really like to have some numbers produced by reputable sources.

Any direction to a source or sources would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Dan Madigan
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Re: Seeking data on the long term return for 5 Vanguard funds.

Post by jeffyscott » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:40 pm

You can do a Morningstar growth of $10,000 over the time frames of interest and compare that to the results using your data.
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Re: Seeking data on the long term return for 5 Vanguard funds.

Post by dpm1973 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:22 pm

Thanks, I'll give that a try and let you know if it works.

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Re: Seeking data on the long term return for 5 Vanguard funds.

Post by dpm1973 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:40 pm

Thanks for the suggestion but I didn't ask the correct question.
I should have been more clear on what I was after.
I'm looking for the average annual returns in percentages, not total return, for the 15, 20, and 25 year periods.
I know I can do the math but I'm looking for confirmation from reputable sources.
I've edited my original post to reflect the correction.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Re: Seeking data on the long term return for 5 Vanguard funds.

Post by vineviz » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:01 am

Portfolio Visualizer will give the average return over any period you choose.

https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/fun ... F31%2F2017
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Re: Seeking data on the long term return for 5 Vanguard funds.

Post by jalbert » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:11 am

I’m trying to determine the total return for five Vanguard funds, NAESX, VIMSX, VFINX, VGTSX, and VBMBX.
Keep in mind that NAESX, VIMSX, and VGTSX have each had one or more changes to the index they track. Moreover, currently, NAESX is a small/midcap fund and VIMSX is a mid/largecap fund despite the names. VIMSX currently overlaps with VFINX as a result. In the past, these two funds were truer to their names, eg NAESX was originally a Russell 2000 fund.

What is the question you are trying to answer?
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Re: Seeking data on the long term return for 5 Vanguard funds.

Post by Jeff Albertson » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:28 am

I think NAESX was converted from an actively managed fund to an index fund in the early 1990's.

edit: "08/17/1989 Vanguard Small-Cap Index Fund was created by converting Naess & Thomas Special Fund into an index fund based on the Russell 2000 Index."
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Indexin ... 26_history
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Re: Seeking data on the long term return for 5 Vanguard funds.

Post by jeffyscott » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:56 am

Jeff Albertson wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:28 am
I think NAESX was converted from an actively managed fund to an index fund in the early 1990's.
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The Fund was organized as a Maryland corporation under the name of Naess & Thomas Special Fund, Inc. on December 15, 1959. On August 17, 1989, the Fund's name was changed to "Vanguard Small Capitalization Stock Fund, Inc." On January 31, 1994, the Fund was merged into, and became a separate series of, Vanguard Index Trust, one of the other Vanguard Funds.

The fund made a minor change of benchmark on 05/16/2003, moving from the Russell 2000 Index to the MSCI US Small Cap 1750 Index.

The fund had a 1.00% purchase fee until 12/31/1996 and a 0.50% purchase fee from 01/01/1997 through 03/31/2000.
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