jason2459 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:59 pm
And lol at any company that wants to boost their share price all they have to do is announce they are interested in buying Tik Tok.
Feels a bit frothy, but will not change me from executing the plan. Buy every Friday for taxable and every first business day of the month for tax advantage accounts.
However, I did reallocate and rebalance earlier this month. The growth funds had disproportionately increased compared to value funds.
texasfight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:39 pm
Not just mega cap tech.
Mega cap growth. QQQ and MGK.
Those are way too tame. Go big or go home! FNGU is a 3x large-cap growth fund and is up 163% YTD!
Unfortunately 3x daily leverage is about the only way you lose in this market.
Lose? It's up 163% YTD.
“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” J.R.R. Tolkien,The Lord of the Rings
Triple digit golfer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:29 pm
This raises a good point. What is driving the S&P back to record levels but the DJIA is still down 5-6% from six months ago? Amazon?
Boeing is a significant drag on the DJIA getting back to its high.
Time is your friend, impulse is your enemy. - John C. Bogle
New all-time high today, congrats everyone for staying the course!
By sheer coincidence.... my rebalancing “bond” elephant gun got reloaded today as well. Back to 75/25 (target AA) from 80/20 after buying a boat load of VWITX.
Haven’t had to buy a dime of equities other than in my 401k for months now. Mr. Market keeps comp’ing me that portion of my AA.
I definitely left money on the table by selling TQQQ yesterday. But I followed my rules, so I feel good about that. Coming up with a plan and following through is definitely easier said than done most of the time.
texasfight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:39 pm
Not just mega cap tech.
Mega cap growth. QQQ and MGK.
Those are way too tame. Go big or go home! FNGU is a 3x large-cap growth fund and is up 163% YTD!
Unfortunately 3x daily leverage is about the only way you lose in this market.
Lose? It's up 163% YTD.
Haha if you could stomach the drawdown
That's the price you have to be willing to pay, isn't it? If you want stocks' returns, you have to accept their downturns.
“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” J.R.R. Tolkien,The Lord of the Rings
lostdog wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:06 am
How does this current tech rally compare to 1999?
Companies are actually making earnings to back up at least some of the pricing. May not back up all of it but that's where speculation comes in and hopes that future growth continues.
"In the short run, the stock market is a voting machine; in the long run, it is a weighing machine" ~Benjamin Graham
lostdog wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:06 am
How does this current tech rally compare to 1999?
Not even close. U.S. stocks returned 26.84% annualized from 1995-1999. We have not seen returns remotely close to those, and valuation are not anywhere near as high as they were at the end of 1999.
“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” J.R.R. Tolkien,The Lord of the Rings
lostdog wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:06 am
How does this current tech rally compare to 1999?
Not even close. U.S. stocks returned 26.84% annualized from 1995-1999. We have not seen returns remotely close to those, and valuation are not anywhere near as high as they were at the end of 1999.
lostdog wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:06 am
How does this current tech rally compare to 1999?
I will say that investing in companies with no earnings is big again. Not just tech, but there's plenty of that. People at the watercooler are talking about stocks with P/E's of 500 or maybe even negative. That reminds me of 1999. I gave an example the other day, but today I'll give a different one; Roku. I have a half a dozen Roku devices. In fact I purchased in the last month. I'm an avid customer. It's a household name. They don't have any earnings. The losses are growing faster than the company. 18 billion market cap vs. 1 billion top line revenue. FWIW. Just an example.
One big difference this time is the number of Chinese companies listed on the Nasdaq. Think of all the people you know investing in BABA and JD (and that ain't John Deere). It's pretty hard to find an active mutual fund that doesn't own them.
If you're serving a market, you have to give the people what they want, and right now they want worthless stocks real bad. This reminds me of 1999 in a big way. A lot of this stuff hides over in private equity these days, so there is a bit of a shortage of publicly traded "new" companies, I guess.
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Will VTI reach a new all-time intraday high today? Seems possible. Just a few cents remain. I actually have no VTI, but watch it as a stand-in for VTSAX.
Cheez-It Guy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:52 am
Will VTI reach a new all-time intraday high today? Seems possible. Just a few cents remain. I actually have no VTI, but watch it as a stand-in for VTSAX.
Stef wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:38 am
Apple now worth more than all German companies combined.
You mean publicly owned, don't you? I remember they were saying that, seems not to long ago, about Microsoft+Apple. Now it's just Apple. That's pretty impressive. But, Germany does have a lot of privately held companies, I think they said.
“There are no answers, only choices.” ― Stanislav Lem, Solaris
Stef wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:38 am
Apple now worth more than all German companies combined.
Assuming you're talking about the DAX 30 companies which has a combined $1.7T USD in market cap. DAX got hit pretty hard with Wirecard fraud's scandal earlier this year, and SAP is the only true technology company. The rest are manufacturing, banking and medical/chemical. I think this speaks to the importance of technology innovation and brilliant R&D and their contribution to investors' wealth. Most countries simply don't have the mega-techs like Google/Amazon/Microsoft/Facebook to carry the market for the past 5-10 years. The exception is China which has its own issues.
abuss368 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:00 pm
Backing up the truck tonight!
I'm guessing 2000 of your 20,000 posts references a vehicle in reverse gear.
A Goldman Sachs associate provided a variety of detailed explanations, but then offered a caveat, “If I’m being dead-### honest, though, nobody knows what’s really going on.”
jason2459 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:38 pm
Fed paper came out saying fed people don't see a strong recover 2H. How that is breaking news I don't know but market fell after that.
The Fed, sitting around the conference table, feeling bored.
"Hey, guys! Just remembered we haven't tanked the market in a while!"
“There are no answers, only choices.” ― Stanislav Lem, Solaris
jason2459 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:38 pm
Fed paper came out saying fed people don't see a strong recover 2H. How that is breaking news I don't know but market fell after that.
It's counter to how the market typically reacted to Fed news. For a long time now, if the Fed has been bearish, it's seemingly made the market think that the Fed would try to lower interest rates or at least not try to raise them or doing something else to stimulate the economy. The market's move today is counter to that. I wonder about the reason for the change.
“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” J.R.R. Tolkien,The Lord of the Rings
jason2459 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:38 pm
Fed paper came out saying fed people don't see a strong recover 2H. How that is breaking news I don't know but market fell after that.
It's counter to how the market typically reacted to Fed news. For a long time now, if the Fed has been bearish, it's seemingly made the market think that the Fed would try to lower interest rates or at least not try to raise them or doing something else to stimulate the economy. The market's move today is counter to that. I wonder about the reason for the change.
Maybe because the Fed is acknowledging that even with relatively extraordinary actions, there are limits to what they believe they can achieve... the market is going to still struggle in 2H. Seems like a pretty modest concern.
I suspect a skoosh of better than expected CV-19 vaccine/drug news will make investors feel happy again!
"An investment in knowledge pays the best interest" - Benjamin Franklin
jason2459 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:38 pm
Fed paper came out saying fed people don't see a strong recover 2H. How that is breaking news I don't know but market fell after that.
It's counter to how the market typically reacted to Fed news. For a long time now, if the Fed has been bearish, it's seemingly made the market think that the Fed would try to lower interest rates or at least not try to raise them or doing something else to stimulate the economy. The market's move today is counter to that. I wonder about the reason for the change.
Maybe because the Fed is acknowledging that even with relatively extraordinary actions, there are limits to what they believe they can achieve... the market is going to still struggle in 2H. Seems like a pretty modest concern.
I suspect a skoosh of better than expected CV-19 vaccine/drug news will make investors feel happy again!
I agree on all your points.
“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” J.R.R. Tolkien,The Lord of the Rings
Robot Monster wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:49 pm
The Fed, sitting around the conference table, feeling bored.
"Hey, guys! Just remembered we haven't tanked the market in a while!"
"Some nice gains you've got here. Would be a shame if someone... published July Fed meeting minutes."
jason2459 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm
Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
I think I'm seeing VB / VBR /VBK / VSS all in the red today? Am curious which small cap space is green?
I hold some FSSNX (Fidelity small cap index), it was green today (though not a really bright green...). It tracks the Russell 2000 in some approximation.
jason2459 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm
Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
I think I'm seeing VB / VBR /VBK / VSS all in the red today? Am curious which small cap space is green?
Vanguard's VB tracks the CRSP U.S. Small Cap index, which was down today. The Russell 2000 (e.g. VTWO) and S&P 600 (e.g. VIOO) were both up today by a smidgen.
jason2459 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm
Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
I think I'm seeing VB / VBR /VBK / VSS all in the red today? Am curious which small cap space is green?
Vanguard's VB tracks the CRSP U.S. Small Cap index, which was down today. The Russell 2000 (e.g. VTWO) and S&P 600 (e.g. VIOO) were both up today by a smidgen.
EDIT: S&P 600 Value (VIOV, IJS) was also up.
Bingo. My Google sheet tracks SPTMI(total us), INX (SP500), SP400 (mid cap), SP600 (small cap), IXIC(Nasdaq), DJI, ACXUSS (total ex-US)
"In the short run, the stock market is a voting machine; in the long run, it is a weighing machine" ~Benjamin Graham
I almost always wait until the close before heading to workout but today I decided no reason to stay and watch so I headed out. As soon as I hit the door my phone vibrates. It's a day order I never thought would execute triggering. I had to laugh, really never thought I would get my price. Put a smile on my face and some pep in the workout. That and a good dinner and I am ready to roll again tomorrow. Giddy up.
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