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Stef wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm New ATH closing for the SP500, this must be historic.
February 19, 2020 was the previous high close.

What a six month period we’ve seen since then!
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Stef wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm New ATH closing for the SP500, this must be historic.
The dead cat keeps soaring. :wink:
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jason2459 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:59 pm And lol at any company that wants to boost their share price all they have to do is announce they are interested in buying Tik Tok.
Feels a bit frothy, but will not change me from executing the plan. Buy every Friday for taxable and every first business day of the month for tax advantage accounts.

However, I did reallocate and rebalance earlier this month. The growth funds had disproportionately increased compared to value funds.
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Xrayman69 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:11 pm ... Buy every Friday for taxable ...
Not a bad plan, but you must have hundreds of tax lots by now.
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willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm
texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:39 pm Not just mega cap tech.

Mega cap growth. QQQ and MGK.
Those are way too tame. Go big or go home! FNGU is a 3x large-cap growth fund and is up 163% YTD! :D
Unfortunately 3x daily leverage is about the only way you lose in this market.

Nasdaq 100 futures is what I would hold
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texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:37 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm
texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:39 pm Not just mega cap tech.

Mega cap growth. QQQ and MGK.
Those are way too tame. Go big or go home! FNGU is a 3x large-cap growth fund and is up 163% YTD! :D
Unfortunately 3x daily leverage is about the only way you lose in this market.
Lose? It's up 163% YTD.
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willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm
texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:39 pm Not just mega cap tech.

Mega cap growth. QQQ and MGK.
Those are way too tame. Go big or go home! FNGU is a 3x large-cap growth fund and is up 163% YTD! :D
Just looked at that ETF. Holy cow! People's appetite for that level of risk is something.
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Triple digit golfer wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:29 pm This raises a good point. What is driving the S&P back to record levels but the DJIA is still down 5-6% from six months ago? Amazon?
Boeing is a significant drag on the DJIA getting back to its high.
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New all-time high today, congrats everyone for staying the course!

By sheer coincidence.... my rebalancing “bond” elephant gun got reloaded today as well. Back to 75/25 (target AA) from 80/20 after buying a boat load of VWITX.

Haven’t had to buy a dime of equities other than in my 401k for months now. Mr. Market keeps comp’ing me that portion of my AA.
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I definitely left money on the table by selling TQQQ yesterday. But I followed my rules, so I feel good about that. Coming up with a plan and following through is definitely easier said than done most of the time.
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Hyperchicken wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:20 pm
Xrayman69 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:11 pm ... Buy every Friday for taxable ...
Not a bad plan, but you must have hundreds of tax lots by now.
Probably.

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Stef wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm New ATH closing for the SP500, this must be historic.
Futures are up.

S&P 3400 is in sight
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willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:38 pm
texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:37 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm
texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:39 pm Not just mega cap tech.

Mega cap growth. QQQ and MGK.
Those are way too tame. Go big or go home! FNGU is a 3x large-cap growth fund and is up 163% YTD! :D
Unfortunately 3x daily leverage is about the only way you lose in this market.
Lose? It's up 163% YTD.
Haha if you could stomach the drawdown
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Looks like Apple hit $2 trillion.
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How does this current tech rally compare to 1999?
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texasfight wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:13 am
willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:38 pm
texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:37 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm
texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:39 pm Not just mega cap tech.

Mega cap growth. QQQ and MGK.
Those are way too tame. Go big or go home! FNGU is a 3x large-cap growth fund and is up 163% YTD! :D
Unfortunately 3x daily leverage is about the only way you lose in this market.
Lose? It's up 163% YTD.
Haha if you could stomach the drawdown
That's the price you have to be willing to pay, isn't it? If you want stocks' returns, you have to accept their downturns.
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lostdog wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:06 am How does this current tech rally compare to 1999?
Companies are actually making earnings to back up at least some of the pricing. May not back up all of it but that's where speculation comes in and hopes that future growth continues.
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willthrill81 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:08 am
texasfight wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:13 am
willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:38 pm
texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:37 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm

Those are way too tame. Go big or go home! FNGU is a 3x large-cap growth fund and is up 163% YTD! :D
Unfortunately 3x daily leverage is about the only way you lose in this market.
Lose? It's up 163% YTD.
Haha if you could stomach the drawdown
That's the price you have to be willing to pay, isn't it? If you want stocks' returns, you have to accept their downturns.
Similar to what Charlie Munger said. "If You Can’t Stomach 50% Declines In Your Investment You Will Get The Mediocre Returns You Deserve".
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lostdog wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:06 am How does this current tech rally compare to 1999?
Not even close. U.S. stocks returned 26.84% annualized from 1995-1999. We have not seen returns remotely close to those, and valuation are not anywhere near as high as they were at the end of 1999.
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willthrill81 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:13 am
lostdog wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:06 am How does this current tech rally compare to 1999?
Not even close. U.S. stocks returned 26.84% annualized from 1995-1999. We have not seen returns remotely close to those, and valuation are not anywhere near as high as they were at the end of 1999.
Makes sense. Thanks!
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lostdog wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:06 am How does this current tech rally compare to 1999?
I will say that investing in companies with no earnings is big again. Not just tech, but there's plenty of that. People at the watercooler are talking about stocks with P/E's of 500 or maybe even negative. That reminds me of 1999. I gave an example the other day, but today I'll give a different one; Roku. I have a half a dozen Roku devices. In fact I purchased in the last month. I'm an avid customer. It's a household name. They don't have any earnings. The losses are growing faster than the company. 18 billion market cap vs. 1 billion top line revenue. FWIW. Just an example.

One big difference this time is the number of Chinese companies listed on the Nasdaq. Think of all the people you know investing in BABA and JD (and that ain't John Deere). It's pretty hard to find an active mutual fund that doesn't own them.

If you're serving a market, you have to give the people what they want, and right now they want worthless stocks real bad. This reminds me of 1999 in a big way. A lot of this stuff hides over in private equity these days, so there is a bit of a shortage of publicly traded "new" companies, I guess.
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Apple now worth more than all German companies combined.
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Will VTI reach a new all-time intraday high today? Seems possible. Just a few cents remain. I actually have no VTI, but watch it as a stand-in for VTSAX.
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Cheez-It Guy wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:52 am Will VTI reach a new all-time intraday high today? Seems possible. Just a few cents remain. I actually have no VTI, but watch it as a stand-in for VTSAX.
Similar here. I watch VT as a stand in for VTWAX.
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Stef wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:38 am Apple now worth more than all German companies combined.
You mean publicly owned, don't you? I remember they were saying that, seems not to long ago, about Microsoft+Apple. Now it's just Apple. That's pretty impressive. But, Germany does have a lot of privately held companies, I think they said.
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Stef wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:38 am Apple now worth more than all German companies combined.
Assuming you're talking about the DAX 30 companies which has a combined $1.7T USD in market cap. DAX got hit pretty hard with Wirecard fraud's scandal earlier this year, and SAP is the only true technology company. The rest are manufacturing, banking and medical/chemical. I think this speaks to the importance of technology innovation and brilliant R&D and their contribution to investors' wealth. Most countries simply don't have the mega-techs like Google/Amazon/Microsoft/Facebook to carry the market for the past 5-10 years. The exception is China which has its own issues.

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willthrill81 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:08 am
texasfight wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:13 am
willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:38 pm
texasfight wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:37 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:06 pm

Those are way too tame. Go big or go home! FNGU is a 3x large-cap growth fund and is up 163% YTD! :D
Unfortunately 3x daily leverage is about the only way you lose in this market.
Lose? It's up 163% YTD.
Haha if you could stomach the drawdown
That's the price you have to be willing to pay, isn't it? If you want stocks' returns, you have to accept their downturns.
I agreed. But you would have done much better holding nasdaq 100 futures and treasury futures thru this ordeal.
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abuss368 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:00 pm Backing up the truck tonight!
I'm guessing 2000 of your 20,000 posts references a vehicle in reverse gear.
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HomerJ wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:05 pm
abuss368 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:00 pm Backing up the truck tonight!
I'm guessing 2000 of your 20,000 posts references a vehicle in reverse gear.
Neutral gear!
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Fed paper came out saying fed people don't see a strong recover 2H. How that is breaking news I don't know but market fell after that.
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jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:38 pm Fed paper came out saying fed people don't see a strong recover 2H. How that is breaking news I don't know but market fell after that.
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jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:38 pm Fed paper came out saying fed people don't see a strong recover 2H. How that is breaking news I don't know but market fell after that.
It's counter to how the market typically reacted to Fed news. For a long time now, if the Fed has been bearish, it's seemingly made the market think that the Fed would try to lower interest rates or at least not try to raise them or doing something else to stimulate the economy. The market's move today is counter to that. I wonder about the reason for the change.
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willthrill81 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:21 pm
jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:38 pm Fed paper came out saying fed people don't see a strong recover 2H. How that is breaking news I don't know but market fell after that.
It's counter to how the market typically reacted to Fed news. For a long time now, if the Fed has been bearish, it's seemingly made the market think that the Fed would try to lower interest rates or at least not try to raise them or doing something else to stimulate the economy. The market's move today is counter to that. I wonder about the reason for the change.
Maybe because the Fed is acknowledging that even with relatively extraordinary actions, there are limits to what they believe they can achieve... the market is going to still struggle in 2H. Seems like a pretty modest concern.

I suspect a skoosh of better than expected CV-19 vaccine/drug news will make investors feel happy again!
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Portfolio7 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:32 pm
willthrill81 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:21 pm
jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:38 pm Fed paper came out saying fed people don't see a strong recover 2H. How that is breaking news I don't know but market fell after that.
It's counter to how the market typically reacted to Fed news. For a long time now, if the Fed has been bearish, it's seemingly made the market think that the Fed would try to lower interest rates or at least not try to raise them or doing something else to stimulate the economy. The market's move today is counter to that. I wonder about the reason for the change.
Maybe because the Fed is acknowledging that even with relatively extraordinary actions, there are limits to what they believe they can achieve... the market is going to still struggle in 2H. Seems like a pretty modest concern.

I suspect a skoosh of better than expected CV-19 vaccine/drug news will make investors feel happy again!
I agree on all your points.
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Robot Monster wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:49 pm The Fed, sitting around the conference table, feeling bored.
"Hey, guys! Just remembered we haven't tanked the market in a while!"
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Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
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jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
I think I'm seeing VB / VBR /VBK / VSS all in the red today? Am curious which small cap space is green? :?:
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jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
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Portfolio7 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm
jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
I think I'm seeing VB / VBR /VBK / VSS all in the red today? Am curious which small cap space is green? :?:
I hold some FSSNX (Fidelity small cap index), it was green today (though not a really bright green...). It tracks the Russell 2000 in some approximation.
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Portfolio7 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm
jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
I think I'm seeing VB / VBR /VBK / VSS all in the red today? Am curious which small cap space is green? :?:
Vanguard's VB tracks the CRSP U.S. Small Cap index, which was down today. The Russell 2000 (e.g. VTWO) and S&P 600 (e.g. VIOO) were both up today by a smidgen. :moneybag

EDIT: S&P 600 Value (VIOV, IJS) was also up.
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Sorry that I jinxed us, guys.
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Cheez-It Guy wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:54 pm Sorry that I jinxed us, guys.
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Portfolio7 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm
jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
I think I'm seeing VB / VBR /VBK / VSS all in the red today? Am curious which small cap space is green? :?:
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euphonious wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:32 pm
Portfolio7 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm
jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
I think I'm seeing VB / VBR /VBK / VSS all in the red today? Am curious which small cap space is green? :?:
Vanguard's VB tracks the CRSP U.S. Small Cap index, which was down today. The Russell 2000 (e.g. VTWO) and S&P 600 (e.g. VIOO) were both up today by a smidgen. :moneybag

EDIT: S&P 600 Value (VIOV, IJS) was also up.

Bingo. My Google sheet tracks SPTMI(total us), INX (SP500), SP400 (mid cap), SP600 (small cap), IXIC(Nasdaq), DJI, ACXUSS (total ex-US)
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Initial Claims comes out tomorrow. Should be a volatile day. Still waiting to get back into TQQQ again.
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Today is a sour, not soar, day. Tomorrow isn’t looking good either.
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I almost always wait until the close before heading to workout but today I decided no reason to stay and watch so I headed out. As soon as I hit the door my phone vibrates. It's a day order I never thought would execute triggering. I had to laugh, really never thought I would get my price. Put a smile on my face and some pep in the workout. That and a good dinner and I am ready to roll again tomorrow. Giddy up.
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jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:03 pm
Portfolio7 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm
jason2459 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm Good ol' little small caps giving me some green.
I think I'm seeing VB / VBR /VBK / VSS all in the red today? Am curious which small cap space is green? :?:
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Live for the journey, embrace the volatility, revel in the opportunities.
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